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6581  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yes, the Bitcoin.org Site and Forum were Down on: December 09, 2010, 05:04:08 AM

Painfully difficult to set up properly on your computer, and painfully slow once it is working.  It also makes a poor data haven (it's primary purpose) because the network has the habit of "forgeting" pieces of the file that you desire over time.  This happens because nodes have limited storage space, and favor popular content; and because there is no way to compensate anyone for their contributions, so nodes drop off without warning.  It's really mostly used as a huge encrypted BBS, distributing messages and content, much of it because it is objectionable to someone. 
6582  Other / Off-topic / Re: distributed off-site data storage paid for in bitcoin? on: December 09, 2010, 01:34:56 AM
Freenet but because its unmeasurable its untraceable.

I've tried freenet before, I'm not a fan.
6583  Other / Off-topic / Re: distributed off-site data storage paid for in bitcoin? on: December 09, 2010, 01:34:27 AM
Do you know Tahoe-LAFS project

No, this is awesome, but how does one pay for the service?
6584  Other / Off-topic / Re: distributed off-site data storage paid for in bitcoin? on: December 09, 2010, 01:26:57 AM
Perhaps some kind of control protocol overlay that uses bittorrent as it's transport mech, with tracking internal to the control network.  Perhaps this could be a TOR hidden service with the bittorrent traffic external, I'm  just thinking out loud.
6585  Other / Off-topic / Re: distributed off-site data storage paid for in bitcoin? on: December 09, 2010, 01:21:40 AM
Would a normal CDN network work just use lots of peoples home computers for this.
Or just pay to seed using a torrent client maybe someone could code one that has bitcoin stats running directly from it

Are there any truly p2p content delivery networks?  All those that I am aware of require a central server for control.  I'm thinking along the lines of a distributed 'data haven' that has no single point of failure.
6586  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitDNS and Generalizing Bitcoin on: December 09, 2010, 12:57:59 AM

It appears this can support several top level domains, such as .anon, .sex, .p2p, or whatever. Other proposals envisioned a single new TLD like .bitdns.

This is like that, too. In this system, you're always registering a TLD.


So what would prevent me from registering the domain jackass.theymos.btc? 
6587  Economy / Marketplace / Re: We accept Bitcoins on: December 08, 2010, 10:40:44 PM
What do you mean by sender code on the website?  If you are using the sending address as your transaction reference, then anyone who sends you money via a pooled client such as www.mybitcoin.com isn't likely to match up.
6588  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bicoin on Ubuntu 10.10 uses the whole CPU power on: December 08, 2010, 09:26:28 PM
The client has ben generating with one core only for the whole time, but I don't see the first bitcoin yet, is this normal?

Yes.  Generation is intentionally hard, otherwise it would be worthless as a trade currency.  It's much easier, and less costly to most people, to buy or trade for bitcoins rather than generate.  I've never generated a block, personally.
6589  Other / Off-topic / Re: If you had $10,000,000 to launch Bitcoin... on: December 08, 2010, 09:03:37 PM

+1 I love this idea.  Kickstarter for bitcoin with the possibility of payback.

Bitcoin stock markets and bitcoin corporation that are not officially listed in any government registary. Based entirely on the reputation of the corporation.

Shareholders can be completely anonymous.

Corporations are creatures of the state.  I can't imagine how the shareholders could ever be certain that their shareholder rights are being respected, without the implicit force of the court system should the corporate executives turn to the dark side or were frauds to start with.  Reputation is a real economic force at the personal level, but not the corporate level.  They were orginally developed to distribute risk across a working group, and also distribute liability in the same manner.
6590  Other / Off-topic / Re: distributed off-site data storage paid for in bitcoin? on: December 08, 2010, 08:56:45 PM
Shouldn't this be in the bitcoin discussion forum.

I would say no, since it isn't about bitcoin directly.
6591  Other / Off-topic / distributed off-site data storage paid for in bitcoin? on: December 08, 2010, 08:54:18 PM
There exists a couple of different p2p distributed data storage systems without central controls, but in nearly all cases they use some kind of tis-for-tat system of limiting the free rider problem.  All of which have limited success in that endeavor.  Centralized off-site backup sites also exist, and some that use the "cloud", but they are all dependent upon a centralized server model.  Any ideas from the forum minds about how a decentralized p2p distributed data storage system could be implimented that uses bitcoin payments to compensate those who contribute disk space and bandwidth to the share, and still be anonymous and equitible?

As I see it, such a system would have to have a number of qualities, at a minimum...

1)  Mutiple sets of the same data,

2) stored across numerous nodes

3) using system-wide encryption (mostly to protect the nodes from the liability of objectionable content)

4) with a payment system that can use market based pricing to charge small amounts for uploading, storage term period, and downloading separately.  (someone using the system for critical backup is unlikely to ever download, but would desire to have a higher number of copies on the system; while someone using the system to distribute cladestine content will upload once and download perhaps numerous times, but may not desire to have so many copies for data protection)

I imagine it something like paid bittorrent seeding, but this isn't my thing.
6592  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin division limit on: December 08, 2010, 08:23:53 PM
Hey,

Is the limitation of 8 decimal places a protocol one or a client one? If so, why?


A protocol one, but it's not a particularly interdependent design decision.  The bitcoin balances are stored as integers (64 bit, I believe) and the decimal point is centered by the client for human readability in base 10.  It could be changed to a larger integer without a great deal of technical fuss, but that would require the general agreement of the entire running network.  So it's more of a political problem than a technical one.

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I know that 8 decimal places is MASSIVE, but I'm just wondering why since it's inexpensive to have 16 decimals.

As noted above, bitcoin actually does use 16 places in base 10; so the next step isn't quite so inexpensive as one might imagine, because it involves stepping up to an 128 bit integer, at a minimum.
6593  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Austrian Economic Study Group on: December 08, 2010, 08:11:50 PM
 Huh

A you asking for recommendations on study resources, or something else?
6594  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Idea: gold coins with bitcoin logo? on: December 08, 2010, 08:10:10 PM
Coinguy, how many coins can a die strike before it is worn out?

That depends upon how rough you are willing to accept the product. 
6595  Other / Off-topic / Re: Political Assessment on: December 08, 2010, 07:46:24 PM
Anarcho-pluralism. Meaning that a stateless society will result in thousands of communities organized as they see fit at a local level. Under such circumstances a left anarchist community could peacefully coexist adjacent to an ancap one. Because I don't wish to impose any form of governance on anyone, I advocate for eliminating the state while strengthening competing institutions at the local level whether they be left or right.

Furthermore, the decentralized clan system I reference allows for private property, entrepreneurship, capital accumulation, etc, so long as it doesn't threaten the clan. If any individual doesn't like this, they could always move to Ancapistan, which will hopefully have a presence in every region of the world.

You have just described a 'phyle' system.
6596  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bitcoind running on the N900 smartphone on: December 08, 2010, 07:33:58 PM
I sent .61 btc to your phone because this is pretty cool. Im on a laptop does that count as a mobile device?

Its also cheaper than a text message   Cheesy

Now if starbucks publishes a bitcoin address you can buy a coffee . Does the n900 have copy and paste? Tongue

I received the .61 on the N900, thanks! Yes, the N900 does have copy and paste although it can be a pain to get exactly the right area to copy in the browser. I need a good way of getting addresses onto the phone. So if I see an address on a web page, or printed out, how to get this on the phone easily so I can send to it. Barcodes were discussed in the android thread so that's a possibility I guess.

Has anyone tried to intergrate bu.mp?  Use an extra data field in bu.mp that a script can automagicly copy from the bu.mp addressbook into the send money address field in bitcoind?
6597  Economy / Marketplace / Re: ClearCoin: for safer bitcoin transactions on: December 08, 2010, 07:26:43 PM
I also think that there should be more risk on the buyer side. The one year is not really incentive as, well, I might have enough money to wait for it.


That really depends on so many factors that it's hard to judge.  A double escrow could be limited far longer, because it would be rare that any conflict would last to the limit, but you don't want it to be indefinate either, because the site owner doesn't want to have to hunt down disgruntled clients should there be a need to close the site.  I would say that three years is about the high end limit for such a thing, but one year should be long enough.
6598  Economy / Marketplace / Re: ClearCoin: for safer bitcoin transactions on: December 08, 2010, 07:21:53 PM
Also, the seller might have a proof : the delivery receipt. When you receive a delivery, you have to open it in front of the deliverer. Else, it is assumed that the content of the box is what is written on it.

which is why it's difficult to completely remove the human element of it.  When two parties agree to use such a service, they are ultimately putting trust into a human being.  Most of even the conflicts will resolve out without intervention of the escrow site owner, as a sour deal will most often not be caused by an attempt at fraud but a misrepresentation/misunderstanding that will just end in the two parties agreeing to keep theirs and move on.  Only the rarest of deals will be unresolvable without adjudication, but some will.  The one year wait is a strong encentive for the two parties to work it out, even if they would prefer to just stick it to the other; which is part of why I think that a double escrow would be better, because otherwise the seller could get ticked and just refuse to release the buyer from the agreement until the year was up, as he has no real skin in the escrow itself.
6599  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: US Cell Phones for Bitcoin on: December 08, 2010, 05:59:02 AM
Dark Purple is the primary (strongest) coverage area.  You're golden. Smiley


There is still no way past the zipcode page to even look at the plans or phones.  I'm stuck in a loop.  They need to update their coverage database.  Without being able to look at the plan details, I can't really compare the service to my present prepaid plan from Virgin, which also uses the Sprint PCS network.
6600  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Stopped at a small shop yesterday. on: December 08, 2010, 05:48:41 AM
I was at the post office yesterday, and nearby there is a little shop that sells prepaid phone cards and money services, mostly to Mexican immigrants.  I've bought phone cards there before, and went in to talk to the owner about buying bitcoins.  I didn't offer any pitch, just mentioned the website and said that I'd be interested in buying from him if he offered them.  He seemed intrigued, and was on the website before I left the shop.  If there are going to be local businesses selling bitcoins for a decent markup, it's these businesses that profit by helping immigrants in America send money to families abroad.

I don't even know what these places are called.

Nice, but unless there are bitcoin exchangers in every country, such effort will probably have totally no effect.
People need to exchange bitcoins for their local currency and do it locally, otherwise bitcoin is muich worse than western union or moneygram in terms of money transfers worldwide.

I would wager that guys like him have contacts back in the mother country willing to get into the other end of things, and eventually we wont need to convert at all.
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