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661  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ixcoin TODO on: May 14, 2014, 05:06:24 PM

Okay... how about this,  just burn to an address that is owned by the foundation.

The foundation decides how to disperse the received IXC.

Advantage:

a) maintenance fund for future development.
b) meta-coins can be exchanged back to IXC at the same rate.


Nice idea. It means the foundation must be 100% operative.
The use of the coins should be clearly stated and transparent.
I propose 50% to charities, 50% to development and advertise.

The more you use them, the more they grow in value (advertise and development), the more you help the World. Wow!!!!

What we could do is have the address be a multi-sig address so that possibly 3 members are needed for sign-off.

662  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ixcoin TODO on: May 14, 2014, 04:34:59 PM
b) meta-coins can be exchanged back to IXC at the same rate.
How would you do that? Apart from that part your new proposition is equivalent to the charity/donation proposition you saw some problems with. I'm especially concerned with (2), as it essentially centralizes the metacoin. How could I be sure that the foundation does not dilute the metacoin at some stage? Also I do not understand why meta-coins should have a fixed rate as trading between IXC and the metacoin is build-in into the Counterparty protocol.

A permanent order will be setup to sell IXC in exchange for metacoin. 

The reason why the metacoin is pegged at a fixed rate with IXC is that we want IXC value to increase as the counterparty network becomes more useful.

The problem with both counterparty and mastercoin is that it only takes a fraction of a coin to perform what it needs to do,  moving 100 assets as compared to 100,000,000,000 assets costs the same.  In short if 2X = Y = 500Z, then by simple algebra, X,Y and Z are all zero.

Having a fix rate of exchange creates a demand for IXC.

With the permanent order mechanism,  one can ensure that the IXC used to acquire meta-IXC is always available for exchange.
663  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ixcoin TODO on: May 14, 2014, 03:46:14 PM
Friction, I found a tool by which you can easily create the required "snapshot" (i.e., balances of all addresses at a certain time):
https://github.com/znort987/blockparser
The size of the text file of all addresses with a balance for bitcoin  half a year ago was 2.7GB (text file), so the equivalent file for IXC organized to a database can't consume more space than a few tens of megs. And I remind you again that the database needs to be accessed only when a new "activate" transaction is parsed.

[Edit: It also occured me that we could require the "activate" transaction to have a fixed output IXC address with a required amount of fee (similar to all Mastercoin transactions) . This would be a way to get some money also to the IXC community (for bounties etc). ]

Okay... how about this,  just burn to an address that is owned by the foundation.

The foundation decides how to disperse the received IXC.

Advantage:

a) maintenance fund for future development.
b) meta-coins can be exchanged back to IXC at the same rate.
664  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 14, 2014, 03:39:06 PM
I did a review of the code on github for the A1 driver. It appears that improvements were made to the delays scanning. However I am having this information confirmed as driver coding is not my strongest area. I asked a few more questions on improvements of the driver since the first version was made available. This might be helpful for us in getting these cards working. Since there is not alot of documentation (well none at all) on the AMT variants of these cards, this is alot of trial and error and guess work. I dont know what the result will be, BUT I am hopeful we might get some results and answers. Even with a single fried chip, it should be possible to bring the cards up partially unless they are chained in a way that brings the whole card down.

This is one hell of a learning experience here for me FYI. I know linux and am getting deep into hardware areas I never did before like drivers. So wish me luck. If I get a working miner/card tonight I will post an early alpha for testing. Once the initial step is done (zombie cards) I will work on features like a web interface and such which I will add later or someone else can. My plan is just a simple working base setup. I am going to call this project zombie lol. Seems like an appropriate name to get these miners back from the dead.

Uh... I think project name should be called 'Lazarus'.   Zombies are living dead,  these AMT systems are more like vegetables than zombies.
665  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 14, 2014, 02:34:00 PM
Hey AMT,

I've sent a bunch of emails your way and called a few times letting you know I was going to reach your office today. I'm outside now and was wondering if you could have a representative bop on over here so I could discuss my order face to face.

Thanks again,
Allen Myers


Can you tell if there is anyone at the office?   If not,  you can you go over to the lawyers place:

361 West Lancaster Ave
 One Haverford Centre
 Haverford, Pennsylvania 19041
 Toll Free: 866-399-2487
 Voice: 610-642-8500

and see what progress they've made. 
666  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 14, 2014, 02:02:13 PM



We have not edited the site/pricing because the lawyers said not to touch anything, and these guys know their stuff. Part of the filing was that "nothing can altered, edited etc". Also we haven't accepted a new order in the last 4 weeks, despite people that would like to pay. And that's the truth. So why adjust the pricing if we're not accepting the orders, we just marked it as sold out/out of stock.



So should we contact your lawyers to ask why the site says that you have a 2.4 TH/s that is available for shipment on April 1st? 

Which makes me also wonder,  is AMT really selling an 2.4TH/s system and have you shipped these systems?

Contact them.  White & Williams LLP.


White and Willaims
1650 Market Street | One Liberty Place, Suite 1800 | Philadelphia, PA 19103-7395
T: 215.864.7000 | F: 215.864.7123

At least the lawyers MIGHT tell you why. Chances are they won't...attorney/client confidentiality and all that. Dont expect much on that route. I think behind the scenes a shitstorm is brewing. My guess is whatever it is things will be settling, but again very little of it to our favor. If AMT has little we are screwed. I haven't gotten any replies either (I got some occasionally when I needed tech help). Its likely pretty bad though...they could be undergoing a full audit now. Which might give the plantiffs a better idea of what is going on and what we all get....if the class is now a full class then all of us otherwise just the original plantiffs walk away either whole or with more than they were supposed to get which means our money as well. This could actually happen. But as I am not a lawyer I don't know. At this point all I want are 2 replacement miners to address the issues with the current ones.

I doubt you'll even receive those replacements. 

The AMT claim is that IMET is witholding them in exchange for payment.    It explains why only a few have been sent (even if they're broken) miners.   There are a lot of other folks that have received nothing.

BTW.. do let us know when you ship those miners back,  I want to know if they receive it.
667  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 14, 2014, 01:23:28 PM



We have not edited the site/pricing because the lawyers said not to touch anything, and these guys know their stuff. Part of the filing was that "nothing can altered, edited etc". Also we haven't accepted a new order in the last 4 weeks, despite people that would like to pay. And that's the truth. So why adjust the pricing if we're not accepting the orders, we just marked it as sold out/out of stock.



So should we contact your lawyers to ask why the site says that you have a 2.4 TH/s that is available for shipment on April 1st? 

Which makes me also wonder,  is AMT really selling an 2.4TH/s system and have you shipped these systems?

Contact them.  White & Williams LLP.


White and Willaims
1650 Market Street | One Liberty Place, Suite 1800 | Philadelphia, PA 19103-7395
T: 215.864.7000 | F: 215.864.7123
668  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ixcoin TODO on: May 14, 2014, 12:01:52 PM
This would assume that there is a master address that has all the counterpartycoins that will be ever created (and no more) and then allocates it to addresses.  
Huh You don't need any master address. As I outlined, "activate" would just prove (signing) that at the time of the snapshot it was in control of certain IXCs (i.e. unclaimed transactions). There are also other ways (I think) to implement that. Check the spin-offs chain I linked.

The problem here economically is that it is inflationary,  now you have twice as many coins (IXC + meta IXC) as you started with.   Kind of like a stock split,  the value of IXC becomes split between IXC and meta IXC.
No, that's not the case (although I myself misleadingly used the word "split"). The reason is that IXC and meta IXC would be independent and could not be used in place of each other. meta IXC can only increase value of IXC. Why would someone value IXC less after launch of meta IXC: no use/properties of IXC are removed and IXC and meta IXC are not competing with each other?

[Edit: there is an other way to think this. CounterParty (with the spin-off metacoin) does not need any permission to be launched (that's why some call these "parasite" coins). Anyone can do it on their will. If your premise that it would decrease the value of the original coin would hold, then it follows that you could destroy the value of bitcoin by simply launching infinite number of CounterParty implementations.]

Okay,  how do you implement 'activate'.... that is 'at the time of the snapshot it was in control of certain IXCs'?

Interesting idea,  but not worth the cost of implementation.  If anyone can 'sign' into existence a meta-coin then the system needs to track the thousands of addresses that are 'allowed to sign' and their continuing balance.   

This is just a straight forward port of counterparty with a minor tweak.

We can either burn or send the coins to a well known address.  The alternative is to make meta-IXC coins free.  Of course,  I don't see the point in a free meta-IXC coin.   

669  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 14, 2014, 10:39:32 AM

I do believe that I'm going to send my equipment that needs to be RMAed to Josh care of his lawfirm and send it directly to their address with printed pictures I took of the damage. As I got a unit with manufacturing issues then I am due a new working unit and would be happy to talk to josh or his lawyers on how they would like to go about that.


Well, that sounds like a good idea.  If AMT is unwilling to receive the miners at their address, then I am sure their lawyers would be more than thrilled to receive the miners at their address.   Is that how we are going to proceed to RMA all these broken miners?
670  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ixcoin TODO on: May 14, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
The alternative is to send the coin to a fixed address with a known private key.
That's not the only alternative. I explained another one, but you seem to ignore my comments (which is kind of sad considering that I donated 5000 IXC to you to do this job).

Let me rephrase my proposal if my previous explenations were unclear. So the idea is to create the necessary metacoin similar to how the spin-offs are planned to be created: we would bootstrap the distribution of the new metacoin (IXCP) with IXC blockchain (of certain heigth). Implementation in CounterParty would be rather straightforward: you take the snapshot of the IXC, and in the protocol instead of the "burn" you would have something like "activate", which would first check if the IXCP address exists, and if not, credit the equal (or proportional) amount of the IXCP as the address was holding IXC in the snapshot.

This would assume that there is a master address that has all the counterpartycoins that will be ever created (and no more) and then allocates it to addresses.  The problem here economically is that it is inflationary,  now you have twice as many coins (IXC + meta IXC) as you started with.   Kind of like a stock split,  the value of IXC becomes split between IXC and meta IXC.
671  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 14, 2014, 10:19:34 AM
Thanks ISAWHIM. On the software side I am currently compiling cgminer 4.3.3 for use. I will have a report likley tommorrow afternoon or later this evening depending on if it works on the first try. If it brings back the hardware, then its a huge win.

ISAWHIM, You think that the issues with the cards shutting down then are software, hardware or a combination of both?

In my case, I assume it was the hardware for the most part. However, the software didn't quite know how to handle the "issue".

All except the issue with the starting, booting and resetting, which, for me, is still spotty.

There needs to be a longer delay between booting stages. It just pukes-out stage after stage, and obviously, some components are not actually ready, when it attempts to talk to them. (Namely the cards and the network.)

This, again, is where a multi-stage delayed-boot sequence would help. Allowing the devices to become powered-up and ready, before attempting to communicate with them.

The "reboot" in the settings, for the password-change and "target temps" (Not sure why those are both on the same page.), and also on the setup for the pools, is buggy as hell. (It is also annoying that it defaults to "balanced load" and not "failover". You do NOT want to run in balanced-mode, unless you are connecting to three separate servers, for some reason. You want failover, so when one pool fails, it attempts to go to the next one.) However, I do not change pools often, so that is just an annoying thing.

When changing the servers... "Save and reboot", does not actually reboot... it soft-boots... However, mine ends-up showing hashing like 12GHs and 45GHs per card after that... until I physically reboot by killing power to the PSU, since no-one has figured out how to turn off the unit unless you unplug the whole unit.

My biggest issue is that the miner does not connect to http connections for solomining. It demands "stratum+tcp" connections only. (Pools)

I was wrong before, about it hashing, but not reporting hashing... It does "get work", it just doesn't hash with it?!? Not sure how that got glitched. Pools are the worst thing to mine into, unless you have no choice, due to difficulty being high. However, coins I want to mine do not have high diffs, and pools are all in foreign-lands. (Too far, so lots of thrown-out share credits and valid work.)

If you could add some start-up delays between the start-up sequences... I am about 90% sure that will help resolve a lot of the issues where it simply gets "stuck" on the "Monitor" stage. Which is the last stage just before the network connects. (Or it is getting stuck on the network stage, and thus, does not refresh the screen, making you think it is stuck on the "Monitor" stage.)

Can't the restart process be performed manually?

What are the software components that need to be started?  BTW, where the hell is the manual???

What needs to be started prior to CGMiner?  What is amt-setup for?
672  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 13, 2014, 09:43:54 PM
I may try my soon, are there any basic instructions for changing the pool? I was able to log onto the http panel before, maybe I can just change it in there... I have my boards in a case, so I would imagine I have to take the cage out and mount it the other way.

Yea that would be best. You could do it via the web console. Just be aware of the risk with that. Frictionless and I lost boards changing pools. Which is what makes me wonder if it is actually a software problem that can be fixed. If I fix it using software I will post detailed instructions on how to apply the firmware. I am sure those of us with giant paperweights could do with some good news in this. I know I can lol.

one of the rigs i have had a dabble with lost a chip due to changing the vridiff in a pool from 512 to 128 as soon as we clicked change diff it went poop. i would believe it could be due to the voltages as the card drops into free spool the volts rise say from 0.84-0.86 . my advice is putty into it type killall cgminer than go back to the web interface. then you should be safe as its not a hard hang

Can anyone post the cgiminer.conf file?  Could it be that the web interface is corrupting the cgminer.conf file?

673  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 13, 2014, 09:38:08 PM
Well, One card seems to have stopped responding...

Just after setting the target-temp from 60 to 65...

Have gone through the excruciating process of turning the unit on and off, about 50 times now, (only resulting in about 6 actual boots that don't get stuck at the "MONITOR" point... All with the same result... Only two modules detected...

Killing full power had no change. (Since cutting power at the switch still keeps power active on the +5v on many PSU's. For the USB device and backup power.)

In any event... It looks like it is software related. The delays are not great enough between detection's, and not long enough, or not even present, to "Write new data" when making changes. I don't think it even checks to see if the settings actually got saved. It just assumes they were a success. (IN my case, I don't think they were even finished writing, when I hit the reboot button. Thus, corrupting the write?)

Also the sequence for detection may be too fast... Not letting the cards get full power, before trying to detect them... Thus, failing at the monitor stage?

I heard that bitmine has a new image,  anyone want to try that image to see it it'll work?

Note:  I have a Bitmine backplane on my system.  It did work for a couple of minutes until I reset the pool settings.   Bitmine looks like is 100% compatible at the backplane level, therefore it probably is also true of the software.

Anyone know if the daughter board that is connect to the rhaspberry pi can be sourced elsewhere?  Is this a standard component?
674  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 13, 2014, 09:33:20 PM
I was wondering if part of the problem was the way they put on the thermal adhesive, perhaps it needed to be a 2 part epoxy, but only used one part?

I wonder if something like this would work better, 2 part adhesive:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arctic-Silver-AATA-5G-Alumina-Adhesive-Thermal-Epoxy-5g-/170708546413?pt=US_Thermal_Compounds_Supplies&hash=item27bf05b36d

Even still, not sure if that would be better than thermal grease:

Arctic Alumina Adhesive is a pure electrical insulator, neither electrically conductive nor capacitive.

Maybe cut something like this up?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150x60x25mm-High-Quality-Aluminum-Heat-Sink-Cooling-for-LED-Power-Memory-Chip-IC-/360744193465?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53fe078db9

The radio shack variety silicone based stuff works just fine. In the end though it likely is not that at all. There are clear electrical issues with the hardware. I am taking a look at the broken cards again and checking to see if there is any soldering issues or anything out of place that could have caused a short or a failure. I haven't had time to look at them. I am essentially sitting on two bricks I might not get a replacement for. I reached out to AMT to just replace these. Still have not heard back. Altho they could just show up on my door step at some point too unannounced. I guess we will see. The lawsuit probably has them on full gag so they may not even be able to talk to individual customers either. Least thats my thought.

I pulled out the heat sink from one of my broken boards.   The thermal appears to be spread out too much across the entire exposed base,  it really is unclear if there is any thermal connectivity with the heat sink.

I'm going to try some thermal paste that I have,  its a different kind,  it's white in color and keeps its form even with heat.  The usual silver kind normally starts to flow when heated,  and this likely is not want you want since if the board is positioned vertically, the paste will flow out of position.   

I'll see if I can acquire those heat sinks that you show.  Did you check the measurements to see if it'll fit?
675  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 13, 2014, 09:25:32 PM
So you mean, we don't have to modify the heat sinks? The way they are is fine?

The only recommendation I have is make sure there is some kind of airflow on the last card that has the little heatsinks....I used another fan to blow air on that because I was concerned that would blow out. But as ISAWHIM noted they get really hot. So it might not hurt to get some better heatsinks. I am looking into that and will make a recommendation once I find something that works.


That was the case on one of my miners which fried. That is the card that wont allow the system to power up. I have 5 others that can be plugged in but do not show up. I am hoping vainly that its a software issue but my guess is its not. This is one reason I am building the linux distro I am for these things. It could in all likelihood be a driver issue as the driver has been updated previously.

With my system,  I was able to see it hash for about a minute or so then it went dead.   That's 3 boards.  It went dead precisely when I had changed the pool locations.     When I run cgminer, it does not see any A1 chips even though the amt-setup command does show the presence of the boards.

So I am really unsure if it is also a software problem.  

That is an interesting bit of info, which supports my hypothesis. You switched pools THEN it went dead. I had a similar problem. Since the PI, backplane and daughtherboard still work, I am going to compile A1 support tonight for cgminer and see what happens. Right now I just have the pi plugged in by itself for purposes of getting the distro up and cgminer installed. After that I will plug all the hardware in (tonight if possible) and post results. Knock on wood and hope this was a software problem with SOME of the cards (I am only sure one card is dead). We are running a pretty old version of cgminer on the AMT/Bitmine systems. Updating to 4.3.3 MIGHT address some of this as the driver code is newer from what I saw on github.

Zombie miner project is a go...

Oh and if it works, I will post the image up for use. I am going just make it a general image for any hardware. Compiling support for various products. I would rather contribute to the community in that sense. While vendors are far more conservative with their firmware, its not always feasiable. But be aware this is at your own risk! I will test it best I can, make sure its stable. But any mods beyond my changes are on the user. I will post it in the software section later and link it here. Depending on how well things go tonight I may or may not get it up tonight. Either way tho it will happen this week. At the very least the distro will be up even if it does not fix our problem.

Oh... I thought it was just a coincindence!    This is a good lead then... switching the pool settings (other than AMT's default) kills the miners!    Not sure if this is deliberate,  but very devious indeed!

... wait... did you get it working?

where can I find the image?
676  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 13, 2014, 08:30:36 PM
So you mean, we don't have to modify the heat sinks? The way they are is fine?

The only recommendation I have is make sure there is some kind of airflow on the last card that has the little heatsinks....I used another fan to blow air on that because I was concerned that would blow out. But as ISAWHIM noted they get really hot. So it might not hurt to get some better heatsinks. I am looking into that and will make a recommendation once I find something that works.


That was the case on one of my miners which fried. That is the card that wont allow the system to power up. I have 5 others that can be plugged in but do not show up. I am hoping vainly that its a software issue but my guess is its not. This is one reason I am building the linux distro I am for these things. It could in all likelihood be a driver issue as the driver has been updated previously.

With my system,  I was able to see it hash for about a minute or so then it went dead.   That's 3 boards.  It went dead precisely when I had changed the pool locations.     When I run cgminer, it does not see any A1 chips even though the amt-setup command does show the presence of the boards.

So I am really unsure if it is also a software problem.  
677  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ixcoin TODO on: May 13, 2014, 05:50:44 PM
I understand that a burn appears wasteful.

The alternative is to send the coin to a fixed address with a known private key.

Two problems with this:

(1) Who knows the private key?
(2) You can infinitely "burn" a coin by sending it from the fixed address back to itself.

678  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 13, 2014, 05:46:07 PM
Now the million dollar question is how to bring the "dead" boards to life....Having 6 boards that are totally dead (one board preventing the system from even powering on). Any thoughts? Thanks again for all your help and contributions.



Would really like to know this... I got 3 boards that are definitely dead and 2 boards that are physically damaged from shipment.

I also have an non-existent support staff for my boards and no means of how to RMA them.


679  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ixcoin TODO on: May 13, 2014, 11:19:57 AM
Counterparty is protocol that rides on top of the block chain.  It has its own currency different from Bitcoin.  It can have other currencies similar to colored coins (they call them assets).

With Counterparty, there was a stage to create this new currency by burning bitcoins.

The main modification I plan on making to Counterparty is to modify the burning mechanism.  Rather than have a fix time to burn a coin,  anyone can burn an IXC to create a Counterparty coin (call it MIXC).  MIXC and IXC are 1:1, so 1 IXC burns one MIXC.   Once converted to MIXC you cannot convert MIXC back to IXC.   An alternative to burning the coin is to have an exchange that have people converting MIXC back to IXC. 

Of course there are alternatives to CounterParty,  these are ColoredCoins and MasterCoin.  Both are similar in that these are just protocols on top of the blockchain.    It is the realm of possible to take MasterCoin and port it instead of CounterParty. 

680  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: May 12, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
Just for the record, I have received a 5-card unit, without a PSU, within a tower case.

(snip)

For the record, do these boards from AMT work?

If so,  what does a user need to do to make it work?  Should the heat sink be removed,  thermal paste re-applied to get this to work?

Any software settings need to make this work?
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