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661  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 28, 2017, 03:38:19 AM
I am doing some research on coins I have been holding for a while, and I just wanted to say it is incredibly refreshing to see a dev team so active on the forum. Thanks for the updates and reminding me why I believe in this project Smiley

Thank you for your kind words, mayback. We strongly believe that we are here to serve the best interest of DNotes' stakeholders and together we can make DNotes a purposeful trusted digital currency for everyone. That is our best pathway to gain global mass acceptance. We know that is a big bold vision and will not happen by accident. It will take years of hard work to build a solid foundation. However, once DNotes starts gaining momentum, a lot of amazing things can happen fairly quickly.

We appreciate your positive feedback. It is inspiring. Thanks.  
Yes they do a great job at that! I know a lot of people must read this forum and just choose not to join the conversation for different reasons. I always love reading and staying up to date with this form but don't post to often.

What I love most about Dnotes of the many things is the way they manage themselves like a business. Since I joined in over 3 years ago they have always remained professional and business oriented. Something that I just adhered to very fast which is why I bought a lot right off the bat and I'm still buying small amounts up till today. When I joined in I had searched Alan Yong and saw how much he had achieved and just saw him as being the most qualified to achieve something this bold in the crypto space or our future world. Alan wants to benefit everyone globally with a crypto coin done right and to work with everyone not fight anyone (governments, banks, businesses, etc). They have added a lot from there original road map or ideas in the early days but they always stayed true to the vision and released and finished things they had discussed.

What I find interesting is most business are not active in a forum with the public to my knowledge other than social media like youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. But the way these coins are decentralized all of them need forums to spread the word, as of now. Many or almost all are not managed very well or if at all. But then you have Dnotes forum. Very intellectual conversations and lots of info of upcoming stuff. They Run their forum like a business, if someone comes up with FUD they give them a very well written professional response and the FUDers naturally leave. It keeps the forum so well maintained. Its always been a business ran forum.

They always have done just what they have said. I have been a very happy Dnotes holder. I am so glad to see the project doing so well with such a great community. Yes I know there is a minor setback in finishing all areas of Dnotes2.0 but theres a lot coming. its great that the team is not rushing it. After all we've been waiting over 3 years its great there taking there time to do things right! They have always said that this is a 10+ year project since day one to fully develop and then continue on from there. As far as I'm concerned this is a long term investment

I Know in the past I've been asked to explain my story or outlook on it as a long time holder, well here is a good glimpse   Wink

Thank you very much, mrbum805. We are honored to have stakeholders like you.

We live in a very challenging world where many people are taken advantage of than being given an opportunity to get ahead. It is even more pronounced in our industry - very few promises are kept and misrepresentations are the norm.

Our commitment since day one is to be different and take a different path. Building a trusted brand has been among our top priorities. As an entrepreneur for over forty years my experience to help manage DNotes as a business, but not controlled as one, comes natural. I am proud to serve and looking forward to great success for DNotes so that many can get ahead. 
662  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 28, 2017, 03:13:17 AM

Wow - fantastic post on Steemit. Thank you cryptospooge, you made my day!


Discovering DNotes - Under the Radar? Probably Not For Long

Earlier this year, while researching a curious experiment to fund a retirement with earnings from cryptocoin faucets, I came across a coin that has grabbed my attention. I didn't know it at the time, but DNotes would quickly become my second largest crypto holding after BTC. (Should I say hodling? In this case, definitely!)

Let me tell you what I saw that got me interested.

The first thing I noticed was that they had additional separate websites dedicated to educating people about cryptos. Ok, nice.

They also had an online wallet with a bit of a twist. The DNotesVault, where you can store your coins if you don't want to manage a wallet yourself, actually has a guarantee fund. Yes, they actually have a separate fund, offline in cold storage for security and all that, just to guarantee the funds you store in the Vault.

That's something they don't have to do, and I hadn't seen anyone else doing that. But they thought about that and implemented it for the safety and security of their community. Banks only do that with your dollars and euros because it's a government mandate. These guys do it because it's the right thing to do. Ok, very nice.

What really caught my eye were CRISPs. Cryptocurrency Investment Savings Plans.

You deposit funds in a specific type of account in the Vault and agree not to withdraw the funds (although you could, with a penalty - seems fair) and they provide you with interest. Just like a bank, only the interest is actually much better than anything you could get in a bank today.

These guys were providing something I hadn't seen any other coin provide. They were building stability right into their coin ecosystem. They were thinking about the needs of the consumer. This idea really stuck with me.

So I wondered why this coin wasn't better known and I started looking around. It was very quiet in the forums and social media. It was more or less dead.

When coin developers and their communities go quiet, it usually means the coin is dead. But this one wasn't. It was still there after three years, maintaining very good gains since its inception. And doing it without some of the volatility that other currencies had.

I soon discovered that it wasn't dark because it was dead - they just went radio silent for a while. But they weren't sitting still. They were actually very busy.

Planning.

There was a lot going on behind the scenes.

I learned that I was right about what I had thought they were doing - thinking about the needs of their community and their ecosystem. They actually had a philosophy. And they were planning further based on that philosophy.

I think it was within days of me opening a CRISP and hilariously (to me anyway) beginning to fund it with tiny bits of coins from faucets, that they started announcing the things they had been working on.

Such as:

Re-releasing the coin as DNotes 2.0. They are going to allow owners of DNotes to swap out the coins with the new version. Other coins have done this and it's a rather bold thing to do. But seeing what else they are doing, it makes good sense.

They had rewritten the code so the coin was going from Proof-of-Work to Proof-of-Stake to be more in line with their overall philosophy. PoS coins are getting a lot more traction now. This is a smart move.

They have also rewritten the code in a different programming language - C#. According to the developers (and lots of unrelated outside sources), it will allow the coin to be used for a lot more applications to be built on top of it and add a lot of functionality. I know next to nothing about these technicalities, but I'll take the techies at their word on this. This also seems like a great move.

There's going to be Lots of PR associated with this Dnotes 2.0 rollout. That includes lots of press with co-founder Alan Yong's book and all the videos they are producing to support it and promote DNotes.

There's more, including projects further down the road such as banking-like services, multicurrency credit/debit cards, and a full cryptocurrency exchange.

Ok, now it's not just a matter of 'I like their philosophy.' It just got real. There are a lot of reasons to think DNotes 2.0 will not be undervalued like DNotes 1.0 had been. DNotes 2.0 is very likely to take a place among the top 50 coins in the near future.

So, at the time I was opening my account, the price was going up and I was hoping I wasn't too late.

I don't think the sharp rise in price earlier this year had too much to do with what the DNotes team was doing. I think it had much more to do with the general crypto market forces. There was a huge influx of capital into altcoins in the months prior, and I think there were many examples of huge gains by altcoins that were being played out, and DNotes, which was very much under the radar, just became the next victim of that wave.

But, it already had my attention. And to a certain extent, I was panic buying before it went up too much. The wave played out and the price came back down. Too much if you ask me, but many close to DNotes would say that it is undervalued anyway. I was actually ok with the price coming back down. That just gave me an opportunity to keep buying little chunks of DNotes at a better price.

So here we are. Probably a few weeks away from the swap to DNotes 2.0.

I'm a little too cautious to make a specific price prediction for after the release of 2.0. I think there are just too many variables.

But, I look at the market caps of some of the top 100 or even top 50 coins, and I just can't justify many of them. And I look at the plans the DNotes team has, the approach they have taken, and their general philosophy, and I can't help but think that DNotes belongs up there.

I do the math and I shake my head. That would mean a huge gain in the price.

Discovering DNotes reminded me how I felt when I first found and researched Bitcoin 4 years ago. I just have a gut feeling about this one again. I was right about Bitcoin. I hope I'm right again.

Full disclosure - yeah, I own some DNotes. Duh! My hodlings of DNotes represents less than 10% of my crypto stash. I own less than 10 different coins. I didn't write this post to pump DNotes and I don't work for them. I just believe in it and have some faith in the team and would like them to succeed.

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@cryptospooge/discovering-dnotes-under-the-radar-probably-not-for-long

It is amazing to read about people finding DNotes, exploring what it has to offer, and coming to the conclusion that we are building while "thinking about the needs of the consumer". That is absolutely correct, every step we make has the consumer and the stakeholders in mind. Thank you @cryptospooge for sharing your story!

Thank you very much, cryptospooge. What I like most is that you told the story as it is reflecting the DNotes' difference compared to other coins. DNotes is very different in style and in substance. I trust that you will be proven correct regarding your prediction on DNotes' market cap position.
663  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 28, 2017, 02:53:48 AM
I am doing some research on coins I have been holding for a while, and I just wanted to say it is incredibly refreshing to see a dev team so active on the forum. Thanks for the updates and reminding me why I believe in this project Smiley

Thank you for your kind words, mayback. We strongly believe that we are here to serve the best interest of DNotes' stakeholders and together we can make DNotes a purposeful trusted digital currency for everyone. That is our best pathway to gain global mass acceptance. We know that is a big bold vision and will not happen by accident. It will take years of hard work to build a solid foundation. However, once DNotes starts gaining momentum, a lot of amazing things can happen fairly quickly.

We appreciate your positive feedback. It is inspiring. Thanks. 
664  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 27, 2017, 01:56:43 PM
Japan’s FSA to Put Country’s Crypto Exchanges Under ‘Full Surveillance’

https://dcebrief.com/japans-fsa-to-put-countrys-crypto-exchanges-under-full-surveillance/

This could well be a wise move going forward to prevent the many exchange collapses and resulting customers funds we've seen lost over time re: mintpal, moolah, cryptsy etc.
Running "30 FSA and finance bureau experts" will not be cheap either, so I imagine the Japanese government believes they'll get a return on this investment for their country and its population. It makes sense to provide a safer environment if you want your population to invest in cryptocurrencies. This to me indicates that Japan sees it as a potential for increasing the populations wealth.

I guess the flipside to this is concern that an attack on a poorly run exchange could lead to the investments of Japanese funds being stolen and removed from the country. Both considerations indicate yet again, that as the market capitalisation of cryptocurrencies increases, governments are not just taking it seriously, their investing in staff and departments to manage it.

I wonder if having monitored and secure exchanges will give these businesses a more dependable reputation which will then attract foreign investment through them. This government sponsored security could lead to increased international business for Japanese exchanges.

I think another potential major bonus of this move could be the safer light that large hedge funds and professional traders with large amounts of money to play with will view investments in BTC, with a larger offering of crypto trading products available - ETF and even pension fund investments. When these types of investors begin to take an interest in a new market, it could be a signal that government will by necessity need to take a relatively friendly view towards cryptocurrency markets. Say a Japanese pension fund invested 100m into Bitcoin, the interests of the BTC community, and the Japanese government / people become aligned.

Great discussion and thanks for your inputs. News from the mainstream media can get quite confusing for early stage technologies like bitcoin and digital currencies. For a period it was "All Clear" and the price of Bitcoin broke through the $5,000 mark. And the next thing - ICOs were not so legal,  China shutting down their crypto exchanges, and JP Morgan Chase CEO, Jamie Dimon calling Bitcoin a "fraud" and suggested that the government will shut it down should it become very successful.

This is my take. Digital currencies is here to stay and we are at the very early stage of the greatest technology revolution since the internet. There is massive room for sustained growth and no single government or a group of nations can stop it. More importantly, they wouldn't because of the opportunity cost. With very few exceptions, nations around the world are broke; whenever there is money, politicians will figure out how to reach out and grab some, instead of letting it get away.

Having said that, our industry has issues to be resolved. Among them, there must be reasonable level of consumer protection and crypto exchanges must have the fiduciary duties to protect their customers' asset. Perhaps the biggest challenge of all is building intrinsic value and price stability. DNotes is committed to address all these challenges and more. We began by taking a different path since day one. This is a long dedicated journey that demands many great strategic moves executed at the right time.  
665  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 27, 2017, 12:16:36 PM
All, here is the DNotes 2.0 repository on GitHub:
https://github.com/DNotesCoin/DNotes-2.0

We will update daily and I will be sending screen shots of the front end on the next update.

Thank you, Joe. As always, we appreciate comments, suggestions, and technical contributions from our community and interested parties. We are planning to expand our development team significantly in 2018. Get to know us early, if you are interested to get involved. We are at the beginning of a very exciting journey for DNotes. Check out our road-map HERE:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1924858.0
666  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 26, 2017, 12:42:19 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome all. One small question, when we shift to POS 2.0 the article states an investment return of 2% PA with the CRISP 2.0. I am wondering if this will be sufficient incentive for long term investment? Or am I missing something? (more likely)

You are always welcome, Variant386.

The maximum annual return is around 8% generated from three different sources:

1. Monthly payout of .1666% (2% annual) every 30 days CRISP reward,

2. Approximately 2% (annual) staking reward for supporting our staking network.

3. CRISP reward of 4% paid to CRISP account balance every 365 days. 

One of DNotes missions is to promote long-term savings. We are making every effort to make it easy and accessible for anyone world to participate. At the same time, we are also committed to build stakeholder value for the long-term. DNotes is uniquely different in many ways.
667  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 26, 2017, 12:17:16 PM
When release POS ?
September is already over!


Please refer to my quote below from the previous page 67. There are other comments as well. Thanks.

"September 23, 2017, 01:07:02 AM

Hi ermaxinc. The launch of DNotes 2.0 has been delayed. The learning curve has been more demanding than anticipated and the amount of customized C# coding is also more than we anticipated. As much as I am always very conservative in estimating time-line and cost, I have been down this route before. Big complex projects like DNotes 2.0 development often ended up taking longer and costing more; sometime with more problems than expected. Fortunately, in our case, there are no major known problems.

A lot of that is because of the inherent challenges in dealing with the unknows. It is even more pronounced in our decentralized open source environment. There are heaps of contributions and work-around but very time consuming to sort through. It is not uncommon to end up with incomplete solutions, with the last most difficult 10% unfinished.

I anticipate that it will take a few more months and we will update our community on any significant developments. Meanwhile, our developer will be working with his team and create a git repository on GitHub.

DNotes 2.0 is a large-scale project creating a new coin to replace DNotes with a 1:1 coin swap. We are migrating from our current Proof of Work (POW) to Proof of Stake (POS).  This is a multi-year project leading to 100% conversion to C#, along with numerous applications to best support our projects as outlined on our road-map: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1924858.0"
668  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 26, 2017, 02:33:58 AM
Hi all, Ive been meaning to introduce myself, Tim G knows me, Pete from NZ. Ive been a DNotes hodler for a couple of years or so and it is now by far my largest crypto holding. I really appreciate the project, people and approach. Very much looking forward to the launch of 2.0. I am a video producer by trade but have been closely following crypto since 2013 when I had a little BTC mine going. I am excited about the future for crypto and DNotes!

Hi Pete, welcome to DNotes’ forum. Delighted to finally meet you, especially to learn that DNotes is now by far your largest crypto holding. Thanks to Tim G. He is an amazing young man. I enjoyed spending a good part of this summer with him.

No other project would have drawn me out of my retirement like DNotes has. A 12-hour day was quite typical and Tim matched that and a little more. We have a very committed team at DNotes - always appreciative of the opportunity to do the right thing that can be benefit a lot of people one day. DNotes 2.0 is the key component of our next phase. We are looking forward to a great future for DNotes and our industry.
669  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 25, 2017, 01:14:07 PM
Former US Regulator: Crypto Enthusiasts Should Take Lead on Regulation

https://dcebrief.com/former-us-regulator-crypto-industry-should-take-lead-on-regulation/

There are some good points here. I believe our industry should be promoting fair and reasonable regulation that does not inhibit the technology. It's easy to get confused when people talk about "regulating digital currency", I don't believe there is such a thing as regulating a decentralized digital currency itself, but the services provided that allow you to use them is where you need to focus.


In an opinion piece published by CNBC today, former CFTC commissioner Bart Chilton suggests that digital currency enthusiasts need to be more active in seeking regulation for their industry if they want Bitcoin to have the “bright” future that many of them envision. In the op-ed, Chilton says that there are two main reasons for the currency’s recurring problems in recent years.

His first observation is that “digital currencies like Bitcoin aren’t like stocks.” As Chilton notes, most of these cryptocurrencies have no company assets that give them intrinsic value. As a result, their value is determined solely by what buyers are willing to pay to take ownership of them.

The second reason is that they are “largely unregulated by governments. They lack the type of AML and KYC protections that banks are required to provide, and offer few customer safeguards to protect against exchange failure. On the regulatory front, there is no effective surveillance of trading, no authorized investigators, and no punitive legislation to ensure that “bad actors” are deterred from criminal activities. According to Chilton, “This all makes digital currencies exceedingly susceptible to fraud and manipulation. It's an open range for abuse.”

To remedy those apparent weaknesses, he suggests that digital currency enthusiasts shouldn’t wait for regulations to be imposed upon the industry. Instead, they should invite “appropriate regulatory oversight” and take the lead on its development.

That is likely sound advice, and it comes from a man who has spoken highly of digital currency and the blockchain in the recent past. In 2016, Chilton called for then-President Barack Obama to embrace Bitcoin and its technology to ensure that the US shared in its potential economic benefits. Moreover, Chilton seems to recognize that digitization of money is inevitable. The question is how quickly it occurs, and what form it ultimately takes.

This is a really important statement, and should be the catalyst for the cryptocurrency community to establish its own self-regulating body.

There are many benefits for industries that self-regulate. And there are plenty of examples and models to base development on. In the USA, the National Association of Realtors, the American Medical Association, in Australia and many other countries the organisation the rates movies and other media is self-regulated. And I think the best example online of successful self regulation is the W3C.

Because cryptocurrency is traded internationally, and has little relation to their countries of origin, it is also unlikely that regulation at a national level would be effective, or functionally coordinated between countries.

By self-regulating, national governments would be much more likely to accept the burden being lifted from their legislative shoulders, so long as the outcomes ensured consumer safety as effectively as possible. And by removing the motivations and justifications of government interference, the cryptocurrency industry could gain the level of stability and trust that is crucial to its early and efficient success.

So I'm openly calling for a consortium to self-organise, invite all the relevant stake holders, model itself on successful self-regulating organisations, establish a standards and certification authority, and let market forces be the ultimate consequence of failing to gain accreditation and comply with their established standards.

Then consumers can invest with confidence in projects that meet standards and have attained certification. Or they can knowingly risk their money on projects that failed to gain certification and forego their right to complain about being swindled by their greedy investments. In such an established environment, all that national governments would need to do, is monitor the consortium, and recommend that citizens avoid investing in projects that failed to gain certification by the cryptocurrency certification board.

I would like to see DNotes take a responsible position in promoting and guiding the development of such a consortium.

Thanks, Tim. I read the article and like it a lot. A self-regulating global association for our industry sounds intriguing. It would be amazing for DNotes to have the honor to the leadership role but that is a huge undertaking. It may make more sense for the current Digital Currency Council to evolve into such an organization: 

http://www.digitalcurrencycouncil.com/
https://www.digitalcurrencycouncil.com/tag/banking/



Yes Alan, I quite agree that taking a leadership role in establishing a self-regulating body would be a huge undertaking. DNotes has it's own mission and it would not be wise to dilute its energy by taking on such responsibility. By a 'responsible position' I was intending something more like a stakeholder or advisory role. I see DNotes as a long term player who genuinely has the best interests of the cryptocurrency industry at heart. When many other voices might want outcomes that favour short-term gains, it is important that the stable players with extensive business experience also get heard.

Thanks for providing the links. I see the Digital Currency Council as a great contender for such a role. If not, the people it has attracted are certainly the pool of talent that should be encouraged to move in this direction. I see that they already provide certification services for recognising professional skills. So clearly they have some understanding of the structures required for a self-regulating body. I do hope you bring it up with them.

Thanks, Tim. Well said. I believe in focusing like a laser beam on missions and priorities. Right now it's almost all on DNotes. Once DNotes 2.0 is successfully launched, we will begin to expand our software development aggressively. It will take a lot to make the projects on our road-map a reality. We are committed to make DNotes a technology innovation leader in our industry. Always remember that DNotes is more than just a digital currency. It is a purposeful digital currency to help make our world a little better. We must start with a solid foundation and make DNotes accessible to anyone worldwide who wishes to participate, irrespective of financial standing.

We believe that, sometimes,  leadership is about showing and not about telling. We certainly hope that DNotes is leading by example. 
670  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 25, 2017, 12:53:23 PM
Great article Cindy.

It seems an interesting product for Canadians to get involved with, but it remains disappointing to see that the 'gatekeepers' of venture funding and other financial products are making sure that only the most wealthy people in society can have a turn with it.

Indeed, excellent article.

The vast majority of people are terribly behind in saving for their retirement. A small savings at this early stage could make a significant difference 10 to 20 years from now. That is one of the main reasons we created DNotesVault and the family of CRISPs.
671  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 25, 2017, 12:46:34 PM

I'm afraid those within the financial industry that are content with the status-quo, may end up being left behind. Expecting government protection (calls for banning bitcoin, bailouts, etc), rather than seeing the potential of cryptocurrencies to boost shareholder returns, may leave the old-school thinkers in the 'irrelevant' category.

This industry is growing fast and a lot of it is behind closed doors until product ready. While bitcoin ETFs have not received regulatory approval yet, it is only a matter of time before the financial guru's figure out how to make financial products that can work within the guidelines. This will likely include looking at other cryptocurrencies that are not trying to dodge authority.


Bitcoin ETFs on the Horizon

http://www.barrons.com/articles/bitcoin-etfs-on-the-horizon-1506140918

Thank you, Chase. ETFs will be common in the future and it will not be limited to just Bitcoin. Given the time, I firmly believe that DNotes will be on the list.

The process of change is often time consuming and challenging – especially when you must give up a good thing that you like, comfortable with, and emotionally attached to. One can be subjective, dismissive, in denial, and not cohesive with a defending argument. Such was the case with Jamie Dimon recent CNBC interview, “ Right now these crypto things are kind of a novelty. People think they're kind of neat. But the bigger they get, the more governments are going to close them down," Dimon said during an interview with CNBC-TV18 in New Delhi on Friday: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/22/bitcoin-jpmorgans-jamie-dimon-lays-into-bitcoin-again.html

Jamie Dimon is well respected as a bank CEO but this interview was not cohesive in logic and frankly embarrassing in technical argument. He did not seem to know what he was talking about. It reminded me of a Matthew Driver, President (South East Asia) of MasterCard, on virtual currencies: “All of a sudden you’re having crypto-currencies being manufactured on an anonymous computer in an anonymous location.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO4jHXjCXw8&feature=youtu.be
Here are two cases in point that people at high level are capable of saying stupid things. Yes, near-term many will be left behind, but only to catch-up later, paying a high price.

We are still at the infancy of a massive technology revolution. There is plenty of time to catch-up. We are still on the ground floor. Taking our time to do the right thing and build a solid brand will be of great value to DNotes’ stakeholders.
672  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 24, 2017, 12:26:53 PM
Former US Regulator: Crypto Enthusiasts Should Take Lead on Regulation

https://dcebrief.com/former-us-regulator-crypto-industry-should-take-lead-on-regulation/

There are some good points here. I believe our industry should be promoting fair and reasonable regulation that does not inhibit the technology. It's easy to get confused when people talk about "regulating digital currency", I don't believe there is such a thing as regulating a decentralized digital currency itself, but the services provided that allow you to use them is where you need to focus.


In an opinion piece published by CNBC today, former CFTC commissioner Bart Chilton suggests that digital currency enthusiasts need to be more active in seeking regulation for their industry if they want Bitcoin to have the “bright” future that many of them envision. In the op-ed, Chilton says that there are two main reasons for the currency’s recurring problems in recent years.

His first observation is that “digital currencies like Bitcoin aren’t like stocks.” As Chilton notes, most of these cryptocurrencies have no company assets that give them intrinsic value. As a result, their value is determined solely by what buyers are willing to pay to take ownership of them.

The second reason is that they are “largely unregulated by governments. They lack the type of AML and KYC protections that banks are required to provide, and offer few customer safeguards to protect against exchange failure. On the regulatory front, there is no effective surveillance of trading, no authorized investigators, and no punitive legislation to ensure that “bad actors” are deterred from criminal activities. According to Chilton, “This all makes digital currencies exceedingly susceptible to fraud and manipulation. It's an open range for abuse.”

To remedy those apparent weaknesses, he suggests that digital currency enthusiasts shouldn’t wait for regulations to be imposed upon the industry. Instead, they should invite “appropriate regulatory oversight” and take the lead on its development.

That is likely sound advice, and it comes from a man who has spoken highly of digital currency and the blockchain in the recent past. In 2016, Chilton called for then-President Barack Obama to embrace Bitcoin and its technology to ensure that the US shared in its potential economic benefits. Moreover, Chilton seems to recognize that digitization of money is inevitable. The question is how quickly it occurs, and what form it ultimately takes.

This is a really important statement, and should be the catalyst for the cryptocurrency community to establish its own self-regulating body.

There are many benefits for industries that self-regulate. And there are plenty of examples and models to base development on. In the USA, the National Association of Realtors, the American Medical Association, in Australia and many other countries the organisation the rates movies and other media is self-regulated. And I think the best example online of successful self regulation is the W3C.

Because cryptocurrency is traded internationally, and has little relation to their countries of origin, it is also unlikely that regulation at a national level would be effective, or functionally coordinated between countries.

By self-regulating, national governments would be much more likely to accept the burden being lifted from their legislative shoulders, so long as the outcomes ensured consumer safety as effectively as possible. And by removing the motivations and justifications of government interference, the cryptocurrency industry could gain the level of stability and trust that is crucial to its early and efficient success.

So I'm openly calling for a consortium to self-organise, invite all the relevant stake holders, model itself on successful self-regulating organisations, establish a standards and certification authority, and let market forces be the ultimate consequence of failing to gain accreditation and comply with their established standards.

Then consumers can invest with confidence in projects that meet standards and have attained certification. Or they can knowingly risk their money on projects that failed to gain certification and forego their right to complain about being swindled by their greedy investments. In such an established environment, all that national governments would need to do, is monitor the consortium, and recommend that citizens avoid investing in projects that failed to gain certification by the cryptocurrency certification board.

I would like to see DNotes take a responsible position in promoting and guiding the development of such a consortium.

Thanks, Tim. I read the article and like it a lot. A self-regulating global association for our industry sounds intriguing. It would be amazing for DNotes to have the honor to the leadership role but that is a huge undertaking. It may make more sense for the current Digital Currency Council to evolve into such an organization: 

http://www.digitalcurrencycouncil.com/
https://www.digitalcurrencycouncil.com/tag/banking/

673  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 23, 2017, 11:46:21 AM
The launch of DNotes 2.0 has been delayed. The learning curve has been more demanding than anticipated and the amount of customized C# coding is also more than we anticipated. As much as I am always very conservative in estimating time-line and cost, I have been down this route before. Big complex projects like DNotes 2.0 development often ended up taking longer and costing more; sometime with more problems than expected. Fortunately, in our case, there are no major known problems.

A lot of that is because of the inherent challenges in dealing with the unknows. It is even more pronounced in our decentralized open source environment. There are heaps of contributions and work-around but very time consuming to sort through. It is not uncommon to end up with incomplete solutions, with the last most difficult 10% unfinished.

I anticipate that it will take a few more months and we will update our community on any significant developments. Meanwhile, our developer will be working with his team and create a git repository on GitHub.

DNotes 2.0 is a large-scale project creating a new coin to replace DNotes with a 1:1 coin swap. We are migrating from our current Proof of Work (POW) to Proof of Stake (POS).  This is a multi-year project leading to 100% conversion to C#, along with numerous applications to best support our projects as outlined on our road-map: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1924858.0


Thank you for updating the community Alan. It is much better that more time is taken to iron out all of the uncertainties and previous unknowns, than to rush a product to market. Quality should never be sacrificed for the sake of time -- it is one of the four pillars of any successful business, and any successful business needs to consistently score highly across all its capabilities, because any shortcoming can leave space to be beaten by a competitor.

Moving to GitHub is an excellent idea to allow people to view what has been going on, and even get started on peer-reviewing the codebase to suggest potential improvements or changes that may arise during the verification phase of testing. It will also reveal to the wider community the quality and diligence behind the project.



Thank you TeeGee. "Quality should never be sacrificed for the sake of time -- it is one of the four pillars of any successful business, and any successful business needs to consistently score highly across all its capabilities, because any shortcoming can leave space to be beaten by a competitor." Well said.

I trust that when everything is said and done, it will put DNotes in a solid foundation to start a major awareness campaign.
674  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 23, 2017, 01:07:02 AM
The launch of DNotes 2.0 has been delayed. The learning curve has been more demanding than anticipated and the amount of customized C# coding is also more than we anticipated. As much as I am always very conservative in estimating time-line and cost, I have been down this route before. Big complex projects like DNotes 2.0 development often ended up taking longer and costing more; sometime with more problems than expected. Fortunately, in our case, there are no major known problems.

A lot of that is because of the inherent challenges in dealing with the unknows. It is even more pronounced in our decentralized open source environment. There are heaps of contributions and work-around but very time consuming to sort through. It is not uncommon to end up with incomplete solutions, with the last most difficult 10% unfinished.

I anticipate that it will take a few more months and we will update our community on any significant developments. Meanwhile, our developer will be working with his team and create a git repository on GitHub.

DNotes 2.0 is a large-scale project creating a new coin to replace DNotes with a 1:1 coin swap. We are migrating from our current Proof of Work (POW) to Proof of Stake (POS).  This is a multi-year project leading to 100% conversion to C#, along with numerous applications to best support our projects as outlined on our road-map: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1924858.0
675  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 22, 2017, 03:49:29 PM
You make some really good points there TeeGee. I have never been involved in venture capital or similar before. But I had always assumed that successful venture capitalists don't just hand over money at milestones. I always thought they would boost their chance of success by providing business advice as well. But just because this would be the logical thing to do, doesn't mean it happens. So I'm interested to know how far DNotes are thinking of going above and beyond the standard, and what the current VC standard behaviour really is.

I imagine that there will be another benefit of DNotes being selective about projects with potential and then providing further guidance. If projects running with DNotes assistance are typically successful and provide a good return on investment, the DNotes brand will quickly come to signify a good investment. This is always a good thing, but in the current ICO environment where there are far more options than can be diligently analysed, a trusted brand like DNotes would be very powerful. 

It is common for VC to help their investment projects with support in some way, normally a seat on the board and their expertise depending on the size of the company, and the stage of growth it is in.

There are several components:

Business;
Venture Capitalists or investors;
Product platform;
Capital raising platform (for ICO or even standard investment);
Consulting services;

Current iterations in the market can cater for product and capital raising agent, for say, an ICO -- however we've seen that very few ICOs are successful or credible in their claims. For the ICOs out there who do have good products, there is still little chance that they will beat the low odds of long-term business success because of other prevailing factors like management, marketing, employee satisfaction, company culture etc. There are also no platforms offering the consulting services to maximize their success -- let alone any capable of doing so. I imagine this is likely because developer and ICO platforms are more product-centric, and the fees (in dollars or crypto) from consulting probably can't yield the 10,000% returns possible by with a quick ICO pump and dump. If they were thinking longer-term, they'd see that products born on their platform that reach heightened levels of acclaim will reach much larger returns, but there is a much higher personal investment involved. This approach would align the long-term interests of the platform, investors, and business.

I wouldn't be the person making any decisions on this, but I will offer my vision of how this could look several years in the future:

TimMarsh holdings is a startup that wants to enter a highly competitive market with its own take of a popular energy application, where leftover solar power collected from off-the-grid homes can be collected and then automatically sold on a peer-to-peer market place. The barebones of the application interface have been built, and the trading credit system designed, but you need 5 million dollars to expand the idea into a working platform. You could use the DNotes platform to list an 'unverified' ICO, and go it alone, procuring your own team of expert crypto advisors from LinkedIN, or blockchain "experts" who are already onto their 4th project in 18 months, but your preferred approach is to approach DNotes Global to run a verified ICO that allows access to more choosey and wealthy investors who select on quality, or even operate one in partnership with us.

DNotes Global meet you, and if you passed all preliminary checks, we would extensively review and verify all your personal details and scrupulously research your business idea, potential market, and your competitors and see if there is a viable business case that we could help you build a business plan for that we would be willing to put forward to our list of accredited investors (this list could be those accredited by US law, or a set of investors that meet our own conditions, but we will continue as though it is the former).

The ICO for example could be split into two pools:

Pre-ICO = for accredited investors, who get first right of refusal on all ICO offerings on the platform. There are benefits to having first right of refusal: always being able to purchase before soft/hard cap on ICO is reached, with spillover eating into the standard ICO token pool; the first right to any bonus tokens; and all token offerings that include attached sale of equity would be included in this round to meet securities laws. One example would be purchasing 50k of equity in the business, and also purchasing 50k of tokens used in its economy. Another would be having "mastercoins" that are issued in the pre-ICO round that stake and produce normal coins based on coin age instead of having 'investment bonuses' for early buyers, which will encourage them to not dump their holdings instantly once they hit the exchange. Just highlighting potential solutions to obvious problems in the current market.

After the pre-ICO, DNotes could look among your investors for those who would be able to offer their expertise in areas needed by your project (in a capacity commensurate with their investment + further pay), we could factor this self-interest into decisions we make when building an advisory team of experts in various fields from business strategy, marketing, operations etc. We could also have a network of DNotes employed professionals with skills from writing business & press releases, through to legal, accounting, economics and graphic design. The more businesses that join our network, or partner with us, the wider the number of skills within the system becomes. All of this could be done for a set fee based on hours worked, or monthly retainer, but another option for select businesses of our choosing would be to officially partner with DNotes Global, where these services are provided in exchange for an agreed amount of equity in the business / tokens. Suddenly bright people with great ideas, but no team around them to make it happen have access to a powerful network of highly skilled and highly driven business professionals to make their business idea come to life, and have a much higher chance of succeeding.

Main ICO happens = Everbody not on the verified list can invest, no securities (tokens for equity) can be exchanged here, but normal tokens can. If the TimMarsh holdings wanted, they could include a small "bonus" for early investors as is the current norm (not that I'd see the point).

DNotes then helps the business to build their application and implement it on the DNotes blockchain. We would aid in verification and validation phases, and then help them to market & manage the release of their product.

The DNotes team of assembled consultants and professionals will continue to meet / keep in touch with the ICO issuer and ensure everything is running smoothly, auditing the business where need be, and our business analysts will be looking for ways to improve process efficiency and find further opportunities for growth.

Over time, DNotes builds a reputation for successful projects, this means more promising individuals would come to DNotes to achieve their future success, and also give investors more confidence that due diligence has been done, and that the businesses long-term prospects are maximised due to DNotes Global's involvement.

**Just one way it could look in the future**

Thanks for your comprehensive response TeeGee. I have never been as excited about the future of DNotes as I am right now, as a result of your conjecture. I know it is just your perspective, but because it makes such sense, and because DNotes take care to make sensible decisions, I can't see you being too far from the mark.

My mind has been brim full of ideas since before I was old enough to express them. By eighteen years of age, I had formulated a plan to attract and incubate ideas into successful businesses. This was long before I had ever heard of venture capitalists—around 1987. Ever since then, I have had this concept lurking and developing in my idle thoughts. Then for a large part of my career, I worked designing business systems as a consultant. So you may have some sense of the excitement I feel at the idea of this being done properly.

And of course I'd like to add to it. I see great value in recognising the most suitable and best value tools for running a business with. For example, such a kit might include Slack, BaseCamp, GitLab, Trello, IFTT, Zapier, Automation Anywhere, Bizagi, and much more. It might also include more rudimentary tools like a full-stack setup that combines all business data in MySQL, sitting on a server setup, with a front end running through Joomla, or Drupal, or Wordpress and so on. Once the ultimate kit has been selected and tested, the interactions between these tools could be shared as they are developed. It is surprising how many of the core requirements of running a business efficiently are exactly the same regardless of which industry they serve.

So imagine the incredible amount of work that would not need to be duplicated for each business if they could install "The Ultimate Business Kit" on a suitable server of their choice, and then with some basic configuration, are able to scan in invoices, have them auto recognised and added to their accounting system, automatically get processed according to conditions to sit in an approval stack. At a single click they are paid, remittances are sent, cost projections updated, stock levels updated, go-ahead requests sent for processes waiting on the stock, and everything else. Then as a new component is added, e.g. employing a new staff member, all of this functionality can be rolled out to existing kits and be available in new ones. Business success is largely dependent on efficiency and effectiveness. Providing a kit like this would give businesses an incredible advantage. Many businesses running the same system would also have the advantage of bench-marking off each other to flag situations going out of control.

Another area where I see DNotes using blockchain to simplify and automate their system, is in consultant payment. If consultants can see tasks, agree with how outcomes are to be verified and the remuneration being offered, accept the task, complete it, have their outcome verified, and get paid, all through a distributed autonomous system, the overheads of managing and scaling such a huge operation would be vastly simplified. And clients would have a higher level of satisfaction because all completed tasks are verified before payment. Coding all of this into a blockchain, whether it is a functionality offered by DNotes2.0 or if some other cryptocurrency is used, would mean that detecting and paying out on verified completion could be automated. And the transaction history immutable.

I really would like to see DNotes develop and roll out such a comprehensive system and I think it would do a great deal to improve the odds of any business' success.

It is surprising how many of the core requirements of running a business efficiently are exactly the same regardless of which industry they serve.”

Very true, Tim. That is one of the reasons why I wrote the book. Technically it is possible to develop a very complex system with many interrelated subsystems to help manage any company more efficiently and not overlook critical steps. However, that alone is not sufficient to make a company successful. In fact, I believe that the biggest cause of business failure is ignorance of the human side of the enterprise: this includes you – the entrepreneur and leader; your employees; and your customers. They are all extremely important to achieve business success, irrespective of any systems installed.

The entrepreneur must have a viable idea, be it a service or a product that has significant potential for sustainable growth and probability if executed well. That vision must be clearly articulated to the extent that others can understand, and, be inspired to follow you and help you realize that vision. Your employees are extensions of you.  Your customer must see your solution as the best option in fulfilling their needs and wants. When a business can take care of the “human factors” well; when integrated with the management/operation system you mentioned - it could do wonders.

Business is not complicated but few recognize that it is a complex system with many interrelated subsystems or components. Being great at one or two things is not enough to make a company successful. Just like your car, it doesn’t run as well when certain components parts are not at optimum performance or failing.

Tim, you continue to amaze me. It reminded me of what George Bernard Shaw once wrote, "Some people see things as they are and say why? I dream things that never were and say, why not?"

I was born with that curiosity, but must add that it is much easier to “dream” than to translate the dream into reality. Over the years I came to realize that no matter what business you get involved, somethings always held true, “it is almost always more difficult, cost more, and takes more time than you thought.” Hold that thought for my next post, scheduled for this evening. 
676  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 22, 2017, 03:35:58 PM
Thanks MiningHabit! Now I know what I'm going to listen to as I go to sleep tonight. Working out the 'enterprise value' of an economic system is entirely different to working out the enterprise value of a business. While a business could be worth very little, many ICOs are worth in the tens of millions even though their business proposition is likely to have minimal impact. Essentially there are a hell of a lot of 'vouchers' to redeem at very small businesses out there. It's like a new launderette opening in your area, and everybody in the area buys 5 million dollars worth of vouchers before it even opens.

"It's like a new launderette opening in your area, and everybody in the area buys 5 million dollars worth of vouchers before it even opens."

That sounds crazy but not that far-out in the ICO market. The number one difference is that the "5 million dollars worth of vouchers" are instantly trade-able" - an equivalent of an instant exit strategy. One doesn't care how much it cost, but the hope that someone else pays a higher price for it.
677  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 22, 2017, 02:01:11 PM
Hi all, looking forward to diving in and catching up on the last few pages of the thread.

Wanted to quickly drop by and leave this link: https://soundcloud.com/epicenterbitcoin/200-ciaran-oleary-blueyard-the-disruption-of-venture-capital

We've talked a lot about intrinsic value, and I'm intrigued by the Ciaran's suggestion that, in terms of a VC looking at investing in an asset...when it's in equity, the intrinsic value is your claim to the net present value of the the equity's discounted future cash flows. If it's in a token, the intrinsic value is the transaction volume itself.

“Q: You can think of valuing a company as the net present value of the future cash flows that the startup is going to produce. But my fear is with things like Filecoin, Bitcoin, and Ethereum there is no intrinsic valuation model. So yes these represent markets, I find it hard to assign a rational value to it.”
-A: “Irrationality exists in equity markets too (look at Tesla...clearly we are riding ahead of any reasonable discounted cash flow model)”
-A: “I think that what’s happening now is that this is all getting diluted by the storage of value aspect that is going on and is really, really hard to quantify. And so we just say hey this is valuable and we can transact in it. But there is a way to say, well look, what problem is this addressing, how important is this problem? Is this a 50 billion problem or a 500 million problem? And then the difference is, if you own tokens, instead of looking at the discounted cash flow, you are looking at the market transaction volume, essentially. And then potentially the additional value that the token creates. And so I do think there is something to be said for at least trying an analytical approach.”


Great to see you, MiningHabit. That was an interesting interview. The Venture Capital (VC) industry is changing rapidly. They must adapt to changing realities or be at risk of vanishing altogether. I believe that there is plenty of money to fund the right business models.

There are no valuation models for our industry, at the moment. It is still at its infancy - experimental and unsettled. However, we do know that decentralized systems are leaderless and not controlled by a single individual or groups of individuals. As such, it lacks self-interest to promote and protect the coin in a long-term sustained way. Ownership is "at will" and can change over-night. There is little incentive to build and accumulate "intrinsic value".

At DNotes, we strongly believe that in order to gain global mass acceptance, something has to change. There must be the means to bridge the gap between the decentralized world with the centralized one. Hence, we created DNotes Global, Inc. Its mission is to bridge that gap, and protect and promote DNotes while creating intrinsic value. Perhaps in a few years, after things are more settled, we can create a viable valuation model for our industry. For now, enjoy the thrills of speculations and unpredictable values. Just be careful and not bet more than you can afford in the event of a total loss.

678  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 22, 2017, 01:02:51 PM
Former US Regulator: Crypto Enthusiasts Should Take Lead on Regulation

https://dcebrief.com/former-us-regulator-crypto-industry-should-take-lead-on-regulation/

There are some good points here. I believe our industry should be promoting fair and reasonable regulation that does not inhibit the technology. It's easy to get confused when people talk about "regulating digital currency", I don't believe there is such a thing as regulating a decentralized digital currency itself, but the services provided that allow you to use them is where you need to focus.


In an opinion piece published by CNBC today, former CFTC commissioner Bart Chilton suggests that digital currency enthusiasts need to be more active in seeking regulation for their industry if they want Bitcoin to have the “bright” future that many of them envision. In the op-ed, Chilton says that there are two main reasons for the currency’s recurring problems in recent years.

His first observation is that “digital currencies like Bitcoin aren’t like stocks.” As Chilton notes, most of these cryptocurrencies have no company assets that give them intrinsic value. As a result, their value is determined solely by what buyers are willing to pay to take ownership of them.

The second reason is that they are “largely unregulated by governments. They lack the type of AML and KYC protections that banks are required to provide, and offer few customer safeguards to protect against exchange failure. On the regulatory front, there is no effective surveillance of trading, no authorized investigators, and no punitive legislation to ensure that “bad actors” are deterred from criminal activities. According to Chilton, “This all makes digital currencies exceedingly susceptible to fraud and manipulation. It's an open range for abuse.”

To remedy those apparent weaknesses, he suggests that digital currency enthusiasts shouldn’t wait for regulations to be imposed upon the industry. Instead, they should invite “appropriate regulatory oversight” and take the lead on its development.

That is likely sound advice, and it comes from a man who has spoken highly of digital currency and the blockchain in the recent past. In 2016, Chilton called for then-President Barack Obama to embrace Bitcoin and its technology to ensure that the US shared in its potential economic benefits. Moreover, Chilton seems to recognize that digitization of money is inevitable. The question is how quickly it occurs, and what form it ultimately takes.

Great comments. We firmly believe that reasonable regulations that are not burdensome or stifle innovation are essential for digital currencies to gain mass acceptance. 
679  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 21, 2017, 12:51:30 PM

Thank you Denis and Crypto Coins Market for providing well researched and detailed information covering DNotes/DNotes 2.0 on your site.  Smiley


DNotes – General Info, Best Exchanges and Wallets - https://cryptocoinsmarket.com/dnotes/

Wow! Amazing summation of DNotes' vision - what we are doing and why. A recommended must read. Thank you very much, Denis and Crypto Coins Market.

I have mentioned on various occasions that we are involved in a Big Bold project of global scale and scope. Reading the article brought home the enormity on the size of our project and what it takes to successfully execute all the different components. But think about, how could we reasonably expect mass acceptance of digital currency on a global basis without a grand plan? In other words, DNotes has a grand plan to succeed by building a different path that is more costly and time consuming. We always believe in doing the right thing at the most opportune time the right way. This will significantly improve of chances of succeeding in a big scale.
680  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DNotes 2.0 - Bridging the Gap Between the Centralized and Decentralized World on: September 21, 2017, 12:27:12 PM
Ok, I couldn't put it off anymore. I just ordered Alan's book. Looking forward to digesting it and checking out all the materials on https://fourpillarsofbusinesssuccess.com/

Thanks, TwoCorn. I am very happy for you. I trust that you will find it helpful and inspirational. Feel free to ask any questions.
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