I dont think so you will receive any info, when I asked who is the leader of this coin @ IRC channel, no one knew, lol.
MoosaNYC has claimed to be the sole starter of this coin before, he claimed it was his own personal project, and claimed it was not linked to the group in any way. yeah right!! Edit: Strange, but he had posted in this thread saying exactly that, but it seems his post has been deleted, maybe he is trying to distance himself from this coin, Im sure he had stated this was his own personal project in a post on this thread, and he stated it was not linked to his group and they we not involved.  I know this thread keeps getting shorter as people pull their support. |
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There is often a weak point in these mixing systems, and that is that somewhere in the world there must be a computer/s doing the mixing, and how can we trust that computer is not being monitored somehow.
tell me which would you prefer to use if let say both of these are 99% anon: 1) 99% of all Anon coins out there that is using mix-node or 2) Crypt hard-to-trace p2p wallet to wallet and no mix node. well if both are 99% secure/anon then it really wouldn't cause me much interest tbh, or cause any major uptake by sellers , I think it would need to be ground breaking tech to cause the kind of uptake people are talking about to cause the prices people are hoping for , I do get your point though that no.2 sounds "slightly" better, but do I think people/sellers will dump the old anon solutions and flock to crypt cos its version of "99% anon" sounds better = NO. |
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No he wont is my answer -
I agree. The whole appeal of an anonymous new coin is that it is 100% anonymous and could be used for ANYTHING. If its only 99% anonymous then its not any better than current solutions. Like I said before, the word anonymous basically means "nobody knows" , so if there is any chance that somebody DOES know, then the word anonymous is not the right word, so I can see why the new line is "hard to trace" , it makes more sense, people need to stop using the word anonymous to describe cryptcoin. |
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why would you want to ?
surely the procedure is
Fiat -> BTC -> Anon Coin -> Buy Shit ?
well the person you buy shit off is maybe going to want to go back to cash, its not all about the buyer, for a coin to work it needs to suit the seller too.. then isn`t it ? Sell Shit -> Anon -> BTC -> Fiat am i missing something here man ? Well that's fine if the coin is truly 100% anon (or if the shit is legal but then no need for anon in the first place) , then the seller can claim the anon coin came from a legit source (launder it) and then go back to btc or fiat, but if the system is only "hard to trace" then: will the seller have enough confidence in the first place to bother accept the coin for his illegal shit? |
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why would you want to ?
surely the procedure is
Fiat -> BTC -> Anon Coin -> Buy Shit ?
well the person you buy shit off is maybe going to want to go back to cash, its not all about the buyer, for a coin to work it needs to suit the seller too.. |
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Regardless of what an individual uses it for it is extremely secure and the only way to track would be guess work.
well either the code is secure or its not, if it is then I should be able to avoid tax and buy drugs with that coin, it cant be "untraceable unless LE get involved" , that isn't an option, if LE can trace it, then some hacker somewhere will be able to do it to. So its either anon or its not anon, there is no "semi anon", it defies the definition of the word, its like saying "semi full" = not really full. You can make 100% true anon coin (if you can) but in the end when converting coins to fiat you're not anon after all. you can use localbitcoins to avoid banks,irs,tax .. but what about businesses ? I don't know, but if that is the problem with anon (converting to fiat) then how does crypt or any anon coin help, seems bitcoin is already 99% anon with tumbler and tor and the hard part is converting back to fiat? I suppose if the coin is 100% anon, then someone who is legit can just cash it in anywhere and claim they got it legally, launder it basically, same like any illegal money, thing is it needs to be 100% untraceable for that to work, 99% untraceable wont do if its drug miney. |
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That's why anon without mix node (middle man) is the way to go.. hopefully mindfox's 'hard-to-trade' will be the first to achieve that.
lol, it would be funny if he really did implement a hard to trade system, some might say he already has as its hard to trade with any volume right now! but I know what you mean!  |
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Like I said previously. It would be total guess work to find the sending and receiving addresses and it would require that the coin have close to 0 transactions at the time the transfer was made.
Ok, fair enough, if it is literally "total guess work" then it IS 100% anon, because LE can not use "total guesswork" to obtain a warrant or lock someone up for tax evasion (just examples) , and nor can anyone else. If it only works properly when lots of people are using it at the same time then its really no better of a solution than a coin tumbler with random fee and tor imo. its the same as : how can someone trace my bitcoins when ive deposited some of my bitcoins and withdrawn a different amount of someone elses coins back out of a tumbler? total guesswork? There is often a weak point in these mixing systems, and that is that somewhere in the world there must be a computer/s doing the mixing, and how can we trust that computer is not being monitored somehow. |
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Regardless of what an individual uses it for it is extremely secure and the only way to track would be guess work.
well either the code is secure or its not, if it is then I should be able to avoid tax and buy drugs with that coin, it cant be "untraceable unless LE get involved" , that isn't an option, if LE can trace it, then some hacker somewhere will be able to do it to. So its either anon or its not anon, there is no "semi anon", it defies the definition of the word, its like saying "semi full" = not really full. |
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Regardless of random fee, the same can be done by looking at the transactions and simply guessing. However, a lot is done to eliminate the ability to guess because the coins are as i said split multiple times and re transacted all over the place inside the mixer nodes. it is pretty much 99.9% and as the tech is used it only improves as usage increases. If i can gain some kind of traction from mindfox I will see if the same system can be modified and implemented here. It's really up to mindfox and community funding. I would say if the goal is to throw off law enforcement, they will always catch up to you somehow. If it was to hide another business from seeing your transactions, or to buy a bit of porn or something and not have your wife find out.. im sure there are many other uses. Then there is no one in hell they will catch it. From what i gather, what makes it nearly impossible to trace is that the only way to tell a transaction came from 1 wallet to another is by looking at the amount of coin sent and looking in to the block and trying to find a wallet with that exact amount received in it. however, this is countered because the coins are split multiple times, mixed, and fresh coins are used from a mixer node to the receiving wallet. As the tech is used and transactions are being made, there really is no way of telling who sent it to anyone without simply guessing. There will be no direct link from wallet to wallet. Mindfox has yet to deliver this system, but we have such a system in place on KEY currently.
Ok, so in your mind key is already 99.9% secure? so what crypt bring to the market then? If the only way to trace the transactions is by following the amounts, has your team thought of implementing a random transaction fee setup, so the fee is always different, I know that how some tumblers like bitfog get around that problem of tracking in and out amounts. Ok, well I don't think many people are looking for "true anon" just to buy a bit of porn and hide it from the wife, but suppose it depends on the wife! I think a proxy and bitcoin tumbler/tor would be enough to hide the transaction from 99.9% of wives!  I think the only thing that would make one of these "anon" coins really take off would be if it was so secure that LE and Tax officers wouldn't be able to trace it, if this is only secure enough to stop the wife from finding out about porn buys, or a rival business from seeing your balance then its nothing special imo. I would like to hear more suggestions of reasons for a person to want a hard to trace system if there are any? because to me if this anon technology doesn't allow illegal activity then it really isn't very untraceable. Its only untraceable if LE don't get involved seems to be the pitch. |
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From what i gather, what makes it nearly impossible to trace is that the only way to tell a transaction came from 1 wallet to another is by looking at the amount of coin sent and looking in to the block and trying to find a wallet with that exact amount received in it. however, this is countered because the coins are split multiple times, mixed, and fresh coins are used from a mixer node to the receiving wallet. As the tech is used and transactions are being made, there really is no way of telling who sent it to anyone without simply guessing. There will be no direct link from wallet to wallet. Mindfox has yet to deliver this system, but we have such a system in place on KEY currently.
Ok, so in your mind key is already 99.9% secure? so whats crypt bringing to the market then? If the only way to trace the transactions is by following the amounts, has your team thought of implementing a random transaction fee setup, so the fee is always different, I know thats how some tumblers like bitfog get around that problem of tracking in and out amounts. |
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Ahh yes, when i started forming this group, a few guys told me that i should go the PND group thing to gain interested. When i realized the implications of that route I quickly abandoned that model and went for a trading group with talented Devs, chart fegs, graphics guys, and web developers instead. That pm was in response to a conversation we had openly on btc-e where you were incessantly accusing me of being a PnD crew. Which i admit i did initially say. I even gave you an apology man. I still stand by that apology, despite your constant attacks on me.
Yes, I was rude when speaking about koolio but we have talked about it and were good. I wish i were more honest with you at the time man, but i was under so much of an attack, i wasn't ready to deal with one from koolio, and you were already attacking me anyway. Please accept my apology and move on man. Do you have any interest in CRYPT what so ever? If so, please allow me to work without the constant attacks.
Ok, fair enough, that was a straight up answer, and ill give you one too, when you said I had done a crop job, on something which I 100% knew to be true, is it any surprise that im not gonna trust you. Moosa has done exactly the same thing lots of times too, it really doesn't do you guys reputation any good. all the bitching about people behind there back etc. So tbh im not surprised your group is getting so much shit, anyway maybe this will be the start of you guys cleaning up your act.. hopefully. Yes I am kind of interested in the anon tech that crypt will hopefully offer, but I suspect that "hard to trace" isn't good enough, as if crypt was to take off and get used on black markets etc then LE will put in the effort required if its only "hard to trace" , what wil that even mean, with enough hashpower it will be possible to trace? with enough manpower it will be possible to trace? I think people want a better than "hard to trace" system, people want 100% anon, not 97% anon, if I want 97% anon I can use local bitcoins and a tumbler and proxy etc. that's my honest opinion, when this coin was launched it touting "True Anon" etc, then after 100 pages it changed to "hard to trace" , whats next "awkward to trace" ? , "a real pain in the ass to trace" ? |
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I see the screenshots and I don't see anything wrong with it. So what if he is part of a "pump and dump" group? What is the problem? Aren't we all pump and dumpers? It is obvious to me that some people here have personal issues with Prom&Co and they are doing their best to bring Crypt down. I think it's pretty pathetic. Even the fact that you save some messages or screenshots in your btc-e inbox for future reference, i mean, come on dude. Get a life. I am the biggest pump and dumper. You might wanna take a screenshot here too  I don't save them, btce saves them for me, the only reason I ever took the screenshot is because pr0m denied ever saying any of it, and you are right, what was the problem? I don't know why he lied in the first place. |
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I recall that you left out parts of the conversation to make it look like i said i was a PND'er? There is no way in hell i'd condone allowing someone to log in to your account. You'd likely say ohhhh he had someone steal my BTC or something. I already apologized to Koolio for that man. If I really need to, i will take a screen capture of my skype where the attious conversations are located. I really just want to leave this behind and get this project on the go.
I have no funds in there for months, I don't care about btce anymore. So when you said "im sorry for the pnd thing" and "i regret making the pitch" etc , how exactly did I edit that to make you look bad, what exactly did I leave out? Im not denying that anything you said about attious is true or not, so I don't care if you post Skype screenshots or not, also it sounds like you probably have revealed his real identity to the world. I don't deny that either, what I deny is that I did any "crop job" on any screenshots or faked any pastebin stuff. |
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I recall that you left out parts of the conversation to make it look like i said i was a PND'er?
well that's exactly the way my inbox looked at that time, why don't you check your outbox? |
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I will admit that i did say that about koolio. Like all of you i got caught up in the fud storm that surrounded his name. However, once i researched things for my self I came around and realized that with power and btc comes fudders like you. It's ok man, I embrace your bullshit. But you're going to need more than that. You did man, you edited it and made it look like i said i was a PnD'er. The screenshots where i told you were not a PnD group.. The screenshots where i said koolio was a fart sack? I've already apologized to koolio for that man. Try again!
No im talking about your lies, you stated everywhere at the time that I had done a "crop job", Nice try yourself! I did NOT edit it, and if you can find someone trustworthy (that we both trust) I will let that person go into my btce account and confirm that I edited nothing??  What are you saying I edited??? which bit of the message? |
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The screenshots where i told you were not a PnD group.. The screenshots where i said koolio was a fart sack? I've already apologized to koolio for that man. Try again!
No im talking about your lies, you stated everywhere at the time that I had done a "crop job", Nice try yourself! But thanks for confirming now that they are indeed real.. I didn't realize you had apologized aswell. For the record in one of the PMs you said "im sorry for the pump and dump thing" , you did not say "were not a PnD group" . |
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I like how people spreading fud on this coin always use forged pastebin chatlogs, anyone could type anything and call it evidence.
At least provide legitimate screenshots... or facebook link rofl.
"legitimate screenshots"?? is there such a thing? I have already posted screenshots of pr0ms PMs to me on BTCe and he has denied they were real and said I modified the images, if there was anyone here with an ounce of trust I would give them my BTCe login details and they could confirm the PMs are indeed real as they are still in my inbox, but there isn't one person in this thread with any trust is there? anyway even if a trusted member of bitcointalk with thousands of posts was to confirm the PMs were reall I bet pr0m would just say I hacked his account, or that btce was involved, always excuses. |
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Man. We love to get played by Moosa and Prom. We love to give away our money for free. We love Crypt...
You are right. Ill leave you to lose your money to them. Josh Lambert: yeah but prom had a plan
Josh Lambert: the whole time
Josh Lambert: he dumped it to 20k
Josh Lambert: we werent in the plan is all im saying
NinjaTrader: were all sitting with a nice chunk now and some who have just held are real good
Josh Lambert: i know man
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Moosa has been afk for weeks man. He's got caught up with some IRL stuff i guess. I will see what i can do to get a bit more control over this project.
Well he had time to change his twitter photo since the last fudstorm so hes still alive anyway! Lol, looks like hes trying and failing to look Kool(io)!!   Who thinks his original twitter pic is much cooler?  Im sure he will come back soon with a bunch of excuses same like the last time, he does choose a strange time to disappear again, I think if you claim to be the sole creator of a coin, then it would be a good idea to not hide under a rock anytime there is tough questions to answer!  He's made his money like he said here, and I bet hes bailed now as he knows hes ruining his (and BTCe's) reputation with this shitcoin FUD and especially all the leaked private convos of his. (see below) CRYPT has been a huge win for us
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I have personally made over 100 BTC
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Its unreal
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im just a kid man in his 20s
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never had so much lol
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I have friends in every exchange
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halfcab123> There's a new enthusiasm rising in the group
halfcab123> sentiment is much much bettter
halfcab123> and Prom is planning to write a ltter to btc-e
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halfcab123> plus there might be a pump, i stress might
halfcab123> but prom mentioned loading the bot up with 60 btc
halfcab123> Yeah Prom mentioned they are going to whale it
Prom3theus2013 : Isnt it strange that you say your hands are tied now, when you've been right in the middle of Crypt since the very start, did you ever write that letter to BTCe that halfcab123 was talking about months ago? any luck with it? If i do happen to gain direct control of the project, I will work with my sources to implement a new technology for you guys. Why would you need to "gain direct" control of the project to "work with your sources to implement a new technology"? Would you not just help out with Cryptcoin for the massive profits?? Im gonna leave you guys alone now, you are doing a fine job of sinking this coin all on your own, you don't need my help! |
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