I guess you put a regulating body in charge and license it and it's ok in the public eye.
You're familiar with the Milgram experiment, right? |
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Can everyone please pop over there and upvote my comment that bitcoins are not "generated by computers"?
Upvoted. For everyone else: fastest way to find it is to search the page for You, like most people, probably got confused by some fool who said "computers generate bitcoins." |
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I honestly don't see why so many people have a problem with putting NSFW / Blackmarket etc etc in their own forums.
I think it solves both.
Agreed, provided there's an acknowledgement popup like the one on the 18+ boards on 4chan. |
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I feel like one of the first divisions of the Bitcoin community will be along the lines of late-adopters/mainstream-followers and early-adopters/fringe. Perhaps We Use Coins ought to start a forum for all the late-adopters and other folk who might get offended. Or perhaps the official forums should be the ones with the kid gloves and the ponzi action should be moved elsewhere. However you slice it, if we're going to be courting the general public we're going to have to eventually provide a good-sized range of discussion platforms to cater to all the differing viewpoints that will be springing up. Some people will be offended to no end if we allow NSFW or even gray/black-market posts to be mixed in with the rest. Others will be offended if we separate them. Still others will be offended if we even allow them to exist on the forums, even if they're off in a section of their own. I guess the question is this: to what audience should the official forums play? Edit:This is not specific to ponzi schemes. It ultimately boils down to "How much should society attempt to protect people from themselves?".
Or, perhaps more pragmatically, how much should we cater to those who are used to being protected from themselves? We're hardly big enough yet to be setting the paradigms of society. |
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This sort of volatility will be unavoidable in the early days of our currency. It's a downside to having an entirely free market, an entirely free non-inflationary currency. I can see where you're coming from: an inflationary currency would help counter the problem of too much necessarily being in the hands of one or a few. It would require a person do more than sit on the currency they got in the beginning until their sitting on it helps drive the price up, at which point they could release all their currency and drive the price back down. Rinse and repeat. But eventually the malicious will run out of funds. The market will settle. It's a rough road, potentially, but it's the one we've chosen. If the majority of the early adopters have the best interests of our economy at heart, they'll bleed their wealth slowly and avoid dumping it all at once.
There may well be a market for an inflationary currency. Start up a branch, if you like. Nobody is stopping you.
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This CSS rule will work to show the "report to moderator" link and not the "logged" link:
td.smalltext[id^="modified_"] + td.smalltext[align="right"][valign="bottom"] {display: block !important;}
td.smalltext[id^="modified_"] + td.smalltext[align="right"][valign="bottom"] img,
td.smalltext[id^="modified_"] + td.smalltext[align="right"][valign="bottom"] .help {display: none !important;}
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How to turn on the "Report to moderator" link in Google Chrome: 1. Install the Personalized Web extension. ( https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/plcnnpdmhobdfbponjpedobekiogmbco) 2. Go to Tools > Extensions and click Options under Personalized Web. 3. Click "Add New Rule." 4. Under "Rule Name" put whatever you like. (I typed in "Bitcoin Forums.") 5. Under "Match URLs" put ^http://(www.)?bitcoin.org/smf6. Under "Add CSS" put td.smalltext[id^="modified_"] + td.smalltext[align="right"][valign="bottom"] {display: block !important;}7. Scroll to the bottom of the page and click Save. "Report to moderator" will now be visible on all posts. |
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I believe the more times the BTC price takes a huge plummet coming down off highs, the closer that time will be, the draw will be a reduction in volatility.
Troll much? But I'll bite. Adding permainflation to our currency won't help stabilize it. The way I see it, it'll just turn the overall upward value trend into an overall downward trend. |
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I'll pitch in some money to get our certificate signed. It really doesn't look good if every browser that stumbles across our https address flashes warnings at the user. this is a 5 MILLION $ economy, if we are stupid enough to not pay 120$ to potential do A LOT of good to bitcoins, well....
Where'd you get the $120 figure? I just did a quick check and saw that VeriSign's cheapest option is $399 a year. |
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Not much, from what I saw. About the same sort of thing you'd usually expect to see on 4chan.
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While removing spammers, I accidentally clicked delete on a wrong row of users. Deleted accounts:
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6090 Satoshi
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You accidentally'd Satoshi?  |
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Disruptive technologies are the kind of technologies that can't be stopped by simple idealogy and simple crushing. Sooner or later, the effect of such technologies will realized and all those Luddites will have to face reality.
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Most progress is made inch by inch and step by step, not in some "great leap forward." Wrong. Most progress IS made by great leaps forward ... the inch by inch stuff is just a story for the masses that there is "progress". More mainstream, socialist pablum. But that's fine, stick to your fairy tales and let the individualist, free thinkers sort our your money problems, but there will be a fee involved. I guess I should define "inch by inch" v.s. "great leap forward." Electing a black man President of the United States in the 1950s would have been a "great leap forward." There was still a lot of ground to be covered by the civil rights movement before that happened. All of it, from desegregation to campaigns against racism, had to happen before there could be a black President of the United States. |
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Yeah, yeah, we've all heard this "go along to get along" BS all our life, it's not like it is anything new.
The next thing you know you'll be advocating for a new gubmint agency to have oversight powers of the bitcoin OSS development standards, wouldn't that just be boon for all you mainstreamists, it would be the ultimate stamp of approval for those that need "official" affirmation before taking a pee ... then what?, back to square one, vested interests co-opting the agency that has the reins of power, you could make your bitcoin agency a branch of fed. res., is that 'official' enough for ya?
At some point you've got to show some spine and say which side you are on. If you go along to get along you are putting your stamp of approval on everything the State does in your name, the blood is on your hands. The crimes are too great and obvious now, you can no longer just pay your taxes and close your eyes, their sins are your sins once you have knowledge and acquiesce. Politics and money are intertwined, no third way sorry ... free money or socialist crimes against humanity?
All I'm saying is that it's a lot easier to sell people an idea bit by bit than it is to try cramming it down their throats wholesale. Most progress is made inch by inch and step by step, not in some "great leap forward." Edit:Keeping BitCoin above politics means not trying to slant it in the other direction either. Bitcoin is what bitcoin is, and it is ingenious. All we have to do is not ruin it through either technical distortion or socio-idealogical hobbling. Bitcoin isn't a philosophy like statism or anarchism, it's a technology like HTML or BitTorrent. Don't mess with the core protocol, don't scare off future enthusiasts, and we're good to go whatever your reason for wanting it to succeed.
Once again, eMansipater takes the words right out of my mouth. |
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Nice try.
But let's wait and see what happens when BitCoin takes off. Do you really think government will welcome it with open arms?
Depends on the rhetoric swirling around in the bitcoin community at the time. It's possible that we could sell governments on the idea if we undertook to do so. Though bitcoins are a cash analogue, they are ultimately more trackable due to the existence of the blockchain. If a government were to get ahold of a mapping of addresses to identities, calculating tax owed by an individual from bitcoin activity would be as simple as mining the blockchain for data. If a country moved to using bitcoins exclusively as legal tender, they could feasibly replace most of their tax departments with a computer program. At that point I would stop using bitcoin and I'm sure many others would too. The beauty of bitcoins is that a comprehensive mapping could never be had. Just as I could open a foreign account and hide my riches, or else deal only in cash, I could also keep myself off the mapping by starting a new bitcoin address, or several bitcoin addresses, or even simply never reporting in for the mapping. Or else simply associating my identity with an address I never intend to use. The beauty of bitcoins is that any such mapping would have to be voluntary. It could be a useful tool for those who want to pay their taxes in a much simpler way than can presently be had. But the government would have a hell of a time forcing anyone into the map who doesn't want to be there. |
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At the end of the day, people need to realise there's a pretty big difference between keyboard philosophy and real-world change. If there's anyone here who aspires to Waco, they need to be slapped upside the head. And if there's a single reply here about either the specifics of that situation or the completely flawed government response, you have missed the whole point. Even from a "Davidian Branch Davidian" standpoint, the people in that scenario were fundamentally lacking the ability for civil interaction with the world at large; had they possessed it they would still be alive. Anyone who thinks different has never seen a man die.
To take this back out of the esoteric, what I'm saying is people can and should believe whatever their conviction tells them. But real-world actions have consequences. So is BitCoin going to be a philosophical exercise, or a real-world technology? It's up to us.
+1 I think the point was that your real-world is not the same as anyone elses real-world, and why should it be?
If you mean mainstream, well that changes, gold coin and slavery were once mainstream. Placing the current norms of one nation, or some might say failing state, as strictures on the success of bitcoins seems a little naive. The black economy is huge, even legitimate govt.s jealously vie for a share of the money that goes through it, why should bitcoin shun it?
You speak as though the Bitcoin Community were monolithic. We're not. We're obviously a group of people united by nothing more than a desire to see bitcoins succeed. What each of us thinks that means will differ, by necessity. Nobody can tell you what to do with your bitcoins. That said, I think a lot of political ideology has gotten tied up with bitcoins and I think that may end up hurting our common cause in the long run. It would be best for us all if all our apologists advocated were bitcoins. It's harder to sell bitcoins and a fringe political ideology. Let them be separate. I for one will do my part to make sure it's known that you don't need to be an agorist to like bitcoins. |
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what "serious consequences"?
Leg breaking.  |
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...if BTC/Gold continues to perform well, this could be used as a strong marketing sell to the public:
Bitcoins is Gold 2.0 - better, faster and much lighter.
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If a bunch of people did this it would basically be a leverage fueled price bubble in bitcoin, it would undermine bitcoin as much as it would the banks in the long run.
Exactly. The bitcoin economy would come crashing down as soon as people started buying back their fiat money to pay for things. For the bitcoin economy to really flourish we need to have as closed a system as possible. |
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So, uh, running away from the philosophical question of alternative blockchains, what if we were to simply have the client do a calculation to estimate how long it'll take a person to generate 50btc on their machine and show that in addition to the hashes per second. That would take care of the "why haven't I gotten any bitcoins yet" posts on the forum.
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