This is not a Bitcoin trader, the website from this thread but I use BTC-arbs as well and everything is fine for now. People enjoy trolling forums, especially with unsupported comments. |
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Is the interest of 3% per day fixed or does it increases and decreases every other day?
3% interest is very rare, I think it was only once or twice so far, usually the spread is between 0.5%-2% per day, depending on arbitrage opportunities and availability. During days of larger BTC price spread between exchanges, you get higher interest. This is why I use both, it not only differentiates the risk but also increases overall return on investment. |
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Well, I was also skeptical a bit although I did some arbitrage on my own before and I know that the system definitely work if you have enough volume. What I can confirm is that in the case of BTC-abrs I did 6 different withdrawals and in the case of BTC trader I did one. Everything was fine I both cases but I am also quite cautious ATM. I have invested 0.3 BTC in each of these 2 services and for now I am quite happy. I make about 1% ROI per day on each of them, so 2% in total per day. BTC trader started November 1, 2013 and early adopters have already made some serious money. BTC-arbs is younger, 2 months old.
I also have a few of my friends into this and none of them reported any problems.
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Great info, I ll look into these two, never used them before.  |
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Yes, I started using the other one, BTC-arbs about a week before that. However, BTC-arbs is only 2 months old so it is still quite new. If you are going to try it, try Bitcoin trader and invest something small, maybe $40. Once you are comfortable with it, you can slowly increase your share. Anyway, for now, both sites work great and I perform small test withdrawals every week.
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No problem at all. I use them since mid February but I know people using them since December.
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scam / hyp . withdraw asap everything.
Why are you saying this is a scam? Because he is just trying to troll this thread. Bitcoin trader has been around since November 2013, everything works great, their support if friendly and they pay on time. If there is a single negative proof related about their service available online, please show me that. Is there anyone anywhere who got burned by using their service? Please support your statement with some proof and if you cannot, stop trolling. |
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March 25, 2014 result: +1.07%  |
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Great, perfect for Bitcoin arbitrage.
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Can anyone actually show me how is it possible to reach ROI with cloud hashing of any kind. Please show me an example, BTC spend on leasing - expected mined BTC = profit. Is this possible and how? Factor in expected BTC difficulty increase pls.
Well, in the case of CEX, you buy it once and keep it till the company shuts down. so in that time, you dont have to worry about: - Failing hardware - Power costs - Networking issues - Girlfriend/wife whining about the noise So say for example you buy 200ghash and let it mine for lets say, 5 years, there could be some return in it. and when the fees get higher then the incoming BTC, you sell off the Ghash, hoping that the price hasnt lowered so much. thats what i do btw, i mine scrypt, convert some into BTC and buy ghash. 5 years??? Whatever contract you buy, it will be worthless in a year due to BTC difficulty increase. Unless BTC price goes up, it is highly unlikely one can make profit using cloud mining. |
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Heh, that is really cunning plan. But I am really interested in experiences of people who have been actually doing arbitrage. With this constant 2% spread on average between exchanges, there must be some people who profit on this. Am I the only one making money on BTC arbitrage?
2% spread on exchanges does not include withdrawal fee's etc. so as long as you have large enough order sizes that can compensate the fee's and have an amount of dollar/alt/bitcoin on both exchanges for instant use. then the arbitrage is just the slower movement of funds to replenish the reserves you have just used in the trades. sometimes its not worth it for a 1-2% as the time to replenish the reserves can make you miss out on bigger price changes. (getting dollar from exchange A to exchange B is not a 10 minute task) best method.. say you have $10k investment split it up into 4 reserves of $2.5k exchange A $2.5k deposited into here and left as dollar $2.5k deposited and turned into bitcoin exchange B $2.5k deposited into here and left as dollar if lower in price $2.5k deposited and turned into bitcoin if higher in price use Exchange A to buy the bitcoin with the deposited reserve and transfer bitcoins to exchange B and deposit the spare 4th $2.5k into exchange A to replenish that dollar reserve now the rest is a juggling game i mess around with arbitraging bitcoins with altcoins(fast exchange withdrawal/deposits). so feel free to replace the '$2.5k' with an altcoin amout of your choosing that matches bitcoin total you also have. and someone else said it, but i have 90% of funds in cold store and only play arbitrage with 10% of total. as thats my limit of trust with third parties. the best volumes and price movements are on the dollar hense using dollar as an example. (slow dollar movement through accounts). id say small amounts below 5btc can get away with altcoin arbitraging. large amounts 20btc($10k+) can require bank transfers alot, just to be on high volume exchanges Now this is the answer I was searching for. Franky1, thank you very much for this detailed plan, I ll try something similar, only with a bit lower investment. How I miss those days when Bitinstant and Mtgox were around. |
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Thank you for your comments, these are much more productive then previous ones. Regarding your comments about my links, I do not agree with you, some of these sites have been around and paying for almost 6 months and more, there are bunch of online reviews of these and NOT a single negative experience yet. At least I have not been able to find it. Having this in mind, I do agree that any Bitcoin-related service is potentially risky and people need to understand the process and risks related to Bitcoin arbitrage as well as with all these other BTC related services which I have posted before. I used Mtgox a year ago and never thought they might go under, so be CAREFUL.
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So are you basically making $3.00 here and $1.50 there, after fees?
Because to me the pain involved in coordinating all that just for $3.00 wouldn't be worth it.
And lets say you're playing with 10x that much. Not sure even $30 a day would be worth all the effort and stress.
Then again day traders stress and sweat and fret and toil over a few dollars a day, en masse.
I can't deal with it unless I am making big bucks...
Well, good for you, if those numbers you have mentioned are not satisfactory for you, all I can say is, congrats, good for you. In my case, $100 per day is not something I am going to pass. Unfortunately, I do not get that much per day because there are always gaps when I am waiting for my BTC/fiat to change exchanges. |
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Heh, that is really cunning plan. But I am really interested in experiences of people who have been actually doing arbitrage. With this constant 2% spread on average between exchanges, there must be some people who profit on this. Am I the only one making money on BTC arbitrage?
Well, among all my friends, yes. Every one of them ultimately lost all their BTC trying to play the system. Or got it stolen out of their online accounts. Seriously. All of them. I would be interested in what kind of money you are making. I know there are some guys making money in this forum doing arbitrage. But part me assumes its not very much, and not worth the risk. If for example you've brought yourself from 10 BTC to 20 BTC, I would be interested in hearing about it. It takes guts honestly. PS: Go to the Economics forum, then Speculation subforum and you'll meet 500 dudes who are doing this. PPS: Starting a thread on arbitrage and having those signature URL's might be considered strange. -B- I'm inclined to agree with this. I'm sure you DO make a small amount of profit with every trade by doing this, but there are risks, and of course you are spending a good amount of time doing this (and waiting for confirmations every time you move BTC). I remember this topic actually coming up quite a lot on reddit's bitcoin sections when I used to frequent them, and most of the time people's general sentiment would be that it's not worth it and I tend to agree. If you are making money with it good for you but I doubt there's a lot of people doing it, and I doubt even more that they would share their successes. Thank you for your post, yes, this is something I agree with. The entire arbitrage is risky but what related to BTC ecosystem is not? Mining speculative coins and waiting for the price to go up? How many of those people have in their wallets never to use again? Investing into cloud hashing which absolutely never reaches ROI? Tons of people do that. Investing tons of cash into Butterfly labs and similar ASIC machines which get delivered a year after their deadline and are next to useless. Lots of people did that. Mtgox? Do not even want to go there. My point is that all these are EXTREMELY risky ventures and still people do it, a few make money, the rest lose money. Personally, I have managed to make a nice ROI so far. This is not something you can live on, you are correct but the main problem is that people focus only on Bitstamp and BTCe and prices there. The most money I made taking advantage of BTC prices on smaller exchanges. |
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Heh, that is really cunning plan. But I am really interested in experiences of people who have been actually doing arbitrage. With this constant 2% spread on average between exchanges, there must be some people who profit on this. Am I the only one making money on BTC arbitrage?
Well, among all my friends, yes. Every one of them ultimately lost all their BTC trying to play the system. Or got it stolen out of their online accounts. Seriously. All of them. I would be interested in what kind of money you are making. I know there are some guys making money in this forum doing arbitrage. But part me assumes its not very much, and not worth the risk. If for example you've brought yourself from 10 BTC to 20 BTC, I would be interested in hearing about it. It takes guts honestly. PS: Go to the Economics forum, then Speculation subforum and you'll meet 500 dudes who are doing this. PPS: Starting a thread on arbitrage and having those signature URL's might be considered strange. -B- Hehe, what s so strange about my links, I am into this, sure I have links about it. I am not trying to hide those in any way or sell anything, they are clearly labeled as affiliate links and they are in my signature. I also have a few e-books, bunch of arbitrage related websites, lots of graphs and charts. Regarding links, don`t click my links, they are not related to this post. Is it better now? |
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My arbitrage:
1) Buy large quantity and hold in paper wallet.
2) Buy smaller amount and hold in hot wallet.
3) Spend smaller amount.
4) Replenish smaller amount.
Repeat.
Guaranteed earnings. Promise.
-B-
Heh, that is really cunning plan. But I am really interested in experiences of people who have been actually doing arbitrage. With this constant 2% spread on average between exchanges, there must be some people who profit on this. Am I the only one making money on BTC arbitrage? Hope you don't mind me asking, but are you in the US? The only reason I ask is because I know a while back a bunch of people had their accounts frozen when they were conducting high volume Bitcoin transactions. Just something to be aware of. Thx for this warning but no problem about this, I am in Europe and my transactions are not high. Just enough to be more profitable then mining. |
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Bitcoin markets are inefficient and trading fees, withdrawal costs or slippage can easily eat up profits from a 2% spread. In your MtGox example, they were extremely inefficient, hence the large spread. If there is arbitrage profit to be made, people will be doing it.
I do, however, feel that this thread was created to advertise the HYIP (scam) referral links in your signature.
So many incorrect info in and trolling in a single post. I am not sure whether I should waste my time answering, but let me say a few words. First, I have been doing arbitrage for a long time, I ll only mention I did it when Bitinstant was around. Second, it was profitable and it still is, I still do it and bunch of other people do it and their opinion is what I would like to hear. Instead of posting any meaningful opinion, you offer me 101 Introductory to economics, troll this thread and end up saying nothing about the actual topic. Do you have any experience in arbitrage? No, I do not think so. Do you intend to do arbitrage? No, I do not think so. So what, oh what is the point spending your time on this post? Still, I thank you on your lecture in economics. I went through market inefficiencies 15 years ago but it is always nice to have another lecture. |
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Can anyone actually show me how is it possible to reach ROI with cloud hashing of any kind. Please show me an example, BTC spend on leasing - expected mined BTC = profit. Is this possible and how? Factor in expected BTC difficulty increase pls.
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March 24, 2014 trading result: +1.13% Good stuff. |
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My arbitrage:
1) Buy large quantity and hold in paper wallet.
2) Buy smaller amount and hold in hot wallet.
3) Spend smaller amount.
4) Replenish smaller amount.
Repeat.
Guaranteed earnings. Promise.
-B-
Heh, that is really cunning plan. But I am really interested in experiences of people who have been actually doing arbitrage. With this constant 2% spread on average between exchanges, there must be some people who profit on this. Am I the only one making money on BTC arbitrage? |
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