So I just got PM from this guy. Do I keep the signature or no. Do as you prefer. You already received a payment for the last 10 days (up to the ones made +- 5 hours ago). If you want to stick with the campaign, you can, if you don't, you can leave. |
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My payment has confirmed. How long does it take before it gets shipped out and what is the average shipping time to The Netherlands? Sorry, I am really excited, haha.
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i got 0.026 instead of 0.04 ? why that ?  You have been paid like 5 hours ago for the post count that you had at that moment. All other payments will be done by Dooglus, if you stay with the campaign. |
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How long will this advert run for? 0.04 isn't bad depending on how long it'll stay. Is it up for a month and when will you be doing another auction? There will be another auction after the 10 day period (we are currently at day 2). |
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Hold up. What happens to the 5BTC funds IF everyone drops out? Shouldn't they be shared equally among everyone? (including dooglus and bitcoininformation) Dooglus decided to pay the people that stick with the campaign until the ~5.3 BTC is gone. But you will have to wait till he gets back for more information about that subject. |
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WHERE IS MY PAYMENT I SHILLED AND MANL LEFT ME HANGING!  Go back to the hole were you came from or else I shall came after you and punish you for your misdeeds. |
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i think you should edit your first post about people who got paid to remove those users or say that they have been paid  Everyone has been paid. OP will be edited later, once people dropped out. I will add the payment message though, might be a smart idea. |
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Payments for posts made between the 1st and the 10th (at 14.24 GMT+1) have already been sent. I have no idea when Dooglus pays, I do know that you have to keep your signature the whole time. You won't get paid twice for the same posts (of course). Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following: - 1. I will pay everyone (even those who dropped out/changed their signature/etc) , that have a positive post count (a few people have a negative or zero post count), with their post count at 14.21 (it's 14.38 now).
- 2. Dooglus will continue this campaign until the remaining ~5.3BTC is used up, decide for yourself if you stay or not.
Payments will be send within an hour. The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126
What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right? Mitchell: "What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?"
Correct right?
Dooglus: I'm gonna check sigs regularly
and split the remaining coins between people who keep the sig until I pay
according to count of new posts made
so yeah, as long as he keeps the sig
Quick update: Dooglus is currently out of town and will post here as soon as he gets back. |
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Did that guy pay? Tx id ? No advert so maybe op has had time wasted etc? Ah yes, keeping you guys updated would be smart. williamj2543 has paid me: Hello williamj2543, You have won in my " Advertise in the Signature Overview Thread"-auction. Please send me a picture (that fulfills the requirements) and an URL to which it should link. Please send the 0.04 BTC to my donation adress ( 115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY) and be sure to check that this is indeed my address (by looking at my profile). I will put up your ad as soon as you send me the required files and once I recieved payment. Kind Regards, BitcoinInformation Sent, Im surprised I won... Anyways Ill get that banner ready And yeah... I am still waiting for the banner and the URL where it should link to. Not much I can do. |
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The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126
What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right? Mitchell: "What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?"
Correct right?
Dooglus: I'm gonna check sigs regularly
and split the remaining coins between people who keep the sig until I pay
according to count of new posts made
so yeah, as long as he keeps the sig
Quick update: Dooglus is currently out of town and will post here as soon as he gets back. |
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Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following: - 1. I will pay everyone (even those who dropped out/changed their signature/etc) , that have a positive post count (a few people have a negative or zero post count), with their post count at 14.21 (it's 14.38 now).
- 2. Dooglus will continue this campaign until the remaining ~5.3BTC is used up, decide for yourself if you stay or not.
Payments will be send within an hour. |
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@bitcoininformation how is the profile checker program I gave you going? Im excited to see what you are going to make with it. Haven't used it yet, since Dooglus keeps giving me all the data I need, sorry man  |
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So do we have to keep the dicebitcoin signature for the rest of the month?
I reached the maximum of 200 posts some days ago. I have no idea anymore. TF has valid points and I prefer to payout now, but nothing will happen until Dooglus is back. |
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Just a question: for october, you will open a new thread where i can sign in? No.
I'm think that I'm going to ignore most question until Dooglus gets back, because I cannot do anything without him. TradeFortress, I do appreciate the input, even though it might not seem that way. If you want to continue talking, just send me an email. |
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This is the conversation that Dooglus and I had about that paying people when they drop out part. Dooglus was sure we could payout, I am not (which is why I added the note). Mitchell: and at the end of the month we'll pay you out for the 9 days you wore it for.
Did you calculate that that's possible?
*calculate if that's possible?
If not, please change it to something else. By saying that you make a commitment that dropped out users get paid.
I still prefer to just payout and be done with it...
Dooglus: I made a spreadsheet to calculate payments
Mitchell: So, how much is it if everyone makes the max. posts possible?
Dooglus: [URL]
after 9 days the payments come to ~5 BTC
Mitchell: I see nothing at that url (except your website)
Dooglus: sorry - now?
Mitchell: Got it
Well, that is just 9 days you know...
We have 21 to go
We can't pay that much, there is no way
Dooglus: I expect lots of people will drop out
I know I would
esp. since we won't allow "disclaimers"
maybe post that we owe 4.4 BTC already after just 9 days, so won't be able to pay in full
probably
Mitchell: Alright, that sounds good I would love to payout everyone, but if we can't, well, we need to change something. I am not saying that what I said is what is going to happen. Because I need to talk to Dooglus before we change anything. Not going to say that again. |
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Yes. However, normally when conditions change, people are given the choice of opting out of the contract at no penalty. Treating these people second does apply a strong penalty.
Example: My internet plan rose from $60 to $70 a year ago. The plan is on a 2 year contract. I was notified and had the opportunity to break out of the 2 year contract (no early termination fee) if I do not wish to continue.
I'll be sending out PMs and leaving feedback to the people that still carry this signature. Well, this isn't a normal situation. Normally someone that does escrow doesn't have to do all of this. They either send back the money to the owner of the campaign or pay the campaign members fairly. Us running the whole campaign was never the plan nor something we wanted. We just stepped up and are trying to do our best. Your internet plan isn't a good example, since signature campaigns have a fixed rule: " If you drop out, you get nothing". Period. Dooglus and I decided to pay people who dropped out as good as possible, because it seems unfair to us to not get paid, because you don't want to advertise a website that is highly suspicious and scamming people. TradeFortress, what do you want us to do? Pay out right now? I would love to, but I can't do anything without Dooglus (like I said before). What's more important, Dooglus stated (yesterday) that whoever decide to drop their sig , will get paid for that period:
-snip- I already stated why he said this and what my opinion is about this. Please read the whole topic. Can I join this? And can I have others things in my signature despite DiceBitco.in sig? No, read the OP and the title. |
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You shouldn't be prioritizing any signature ad campaign creditor over another signature ad campaign creditor. So, you shouldn't 'pay out group X, then pay out group Y if there is any left'. Rather, you should add the sum of all owed amounts, find the % that is covered by the 10 BTC deposit, and spread out all shortfall equally at the end of the contract.
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re email response: "We did say that we will payout people that drop out as good as possible, but this is done with the funds that we get when we paid out everyone that sticked with the campaign (so the funds that are left over from the campaign itself). I hope this explains that":
People who did not drop out are owed money from the signature campaign which you have escrowed.
People who dropped out are owed money from the signature campaign which you have escrowed.
They have the same claims to the escrowed amount, and should not be treated any differently. Well, people that drop out normally don't get paid at all, because they didn't fulfill the requirement to keep the signature for the period you agreed upon. We decided that that isn't fair and we will use the leftovers to pay people anyway. I know that this isn't optimal and we might have to change it to just pay out right now. We only have 10BTC and we are not certain if this is enough I think it is irresponsible to continue this campaign if you are not certain if it is enough, actually. Imagine if you escrowed selling a miner, but couldn't pay the seller in full because the buyer never sent enough. Is that acceptable? [/quote]It is not, which is why I will talk to Dooglus as soon as I get back, which I stated before if I am not mistaken. |
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Then why did you refer to it and say "[it] will be enforced"? It's clear you haven't actually read what you posted. Because it's a common rule and all campaigns use it. How else should we proceed? A campaign wouldn't pay people that change their signature, so I don't see the point you are trying to make. |
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I'm posting this in here because I think it's relevant.
BitcoinInformation has decided to enforce a provision made by DiceBitco.in retroactively. There is no authority for him to do so.
1. DiceBitco.in added in a statement on Sept 5th.
2. This statement has no merit whatsoever to anyone who enrolled before the date.
3. BitcoinInformation has said that he will enforce this statement that is without merit.
As an example, a signature ad campaign cannot add a clause saying "We are lowering this payout by 90%." and have it apply to people who have enrolled under the original rates. Contracts may not be changed unilaterally retroactively - any supposed changes are null and void to people who have enrolled. They are only bound by the rules present when they enrolled.
I welcome your thoughts on the matter.
The clause you described is something entirly different then the rule we are enforcing. Not changing your signature is a common sense rule, all signature campaigns trust you to not change/alter it or they enforce it in their OP: ...
3. Do not remove your signature or edit your initial post for 30 days
... ...
You will be disqualified and barred from the campaign if:
- you change or alter the signature during participation
- you do not meet the 50 post requirement after your time is up
- you make the majority of your qualified posts in a small time frame
- you cause serious trouble on this forum such as a flamewar or scam
... In my opinion it's a clarification and not a new rule. Also, how can you be certain that this has been added at 5 September and not before that date? The last edit was at 5 September, but that doesn't mean anything. |
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