This is a very good question. I think once the US and Russian have spoken and asked exchanges to ask for personal data to their users, one by one, decentralized are going to be forced to ask their users as well.
The most concerning part, under my point of view, is about the control. Exchanges are not only about selling your crypto into cash (dollar, euro, whatever) but about buying/selling alts. Crypto was made with the intention of avoiding and giving an alternative to the banking system, by being decentralized, so the legitimacy resides in the people, the users, the miners. But, if the use of the crypto is regulated, then, every transaction will need to be approved by the government, for the tool, meaning the exchange, is under its control, though.
So, I 'm afraid maybe the time with no alternative will come soon, and many crypto users are going to be obligated to share their personal data. Regarding the face-photo, I can't fully understand why are they asking for that. There's no online bank asking for this kind of images, or at least, I can recall none. They ask for your ID and your place of residence, as well as for a phone number, but I 've never been asked for a face-pick before.
That's concerning to me. Maybe I've just read too many times Orwell's 1984, but, still, I can't see the point of the need of knowing with such a detail the shape of your face...

Of course. As long as users allow this kind of over asking for information, they will continue going on with this. If we just move the funds to another one, then probably they will need to reconsider what are they doing, but it is unlikely going to happen.

I've read many people didn't even receive the email, so they've just lost their funds? How can it be legal? If the law change, it can't be retroactive, so you must be able to say "I don't agree", to retire your money and to leave the exchange. This is going too far.

True. Many of us spend our time in searching for good posters, even in lost boards, as Bitcoin Discussion, or Beginners and help. But, sadly, each day the task becomes more and more difficult.
Besides, the Meta board is starting to be full of this kind of "making better the merit system" threads, in which the authors are newbies without a clue of how the merit system works but, yet, they ask for changes in the entire system.

I don't know where are we going, but merit system has been for five months now and still, we have each day the same repeated threads regarding the system and how it must be changed according to newcomers. Meantime, finding good quality posters to reward is harder and harder.
What's going wrong?

Yes, man, you're new to the forum, so you are not completely understanding how the merit system works.
1.- Merit sources are not the only sources of merits, people earn merits and sent to others.
2.- Merits have to come from somewhere, everyone with a certain rank was given some merits, when those are gone, then, even legendaries have to earn merits in order to give them to others.

Sometimes I am shocked about how many users want the forum to take the shape of a social media. The "thank" system you are proposing seems similar to the "like" system in Facebook, Instagram, and so. This is not social media, man. This is a place for discussion and earning knowledge. If, by doing so, you can rank-up, well, this is a "plus" only, but every newcomer can visit, learn and participate in most of the boards here.
You don't need to rank-up to learn or discuss in here, so, why the rush?
Again, you've said that: you're new, and maybe you don't completely get the system function yet.
Just chill and participate in here, the merit system is kind of "organic", and if you are a participative, intelligent, creative, useful user, you will be rewarded.

I will say you few words before putting you on my ignored list.

You first came into the forum on February, 3th. It was after the merit system implementation. Since then, you've posted a total of 609 topics and earn 3 merits in the way.
This just means: you're doing something wrong. Look at other profiles and compare them with yourself, for instance, DdmrDdmr profile, he has earned more than 300 merits already, even when he enroled the forum at the same time as you. So the problem is not about the system, the problem is yours.

Taking a look at your posting activity, you definitely don't care about the forum, about discussions, about quality, you are just writing pure senseless (like this topic), useless and s**ty post. So, nop, you don't even deserve to get the Member status, and, yet, you're asking about people giving you something you don't deserve.

Don't you like the new system? Well, you came in here after the implementation, si this is the forum now. Don't you like it? Search another place where you can comfortably continue doing your crappy activity, and leave.

By the way, this is not about slavery, but common sense.

So, in sort, they have kidnapped your money and they will free it only if you give them sensible information.
I can't see how some people agree with that!!

So, in this world in which there are so many criminals, as you say, you're willing to send to a company your digitalized personal ID, as well as other personal information, as the scan of your own face?
The point is: all this information can be hacked as well!!!

I agree. The point is, whatever language you come from, to create a good post to BT, so maybe what the FitToTalk project needs is to become even more international.
English has become the "common language" (as in the Lord of The rings), so we can make many languages converge into good-English topics creation.

Yep, I do find this ranking a bit uninformed too. Mexico, for instance, is taking a path towards acceptation, but it appears on the "negative" list...
This is not informed enough to answer the OP question, I'm afraid, but, given this is just an opinion, I think the aims about crypto regulations are not going to influence international relationships in any way, at least, as well as the crypto use is not mainstream.
We are into crypto, but we are still few. As well as more people begin to use it, I think there are going to emerge some international agreements.

In the other hand, we have the exchanges' problems. Some countries, like Russia or the US are starting to ask them for personal users data. It, of course, can make people moving into another one and use other services from China, for instance. But, what happens if, for example, the US government ask for this exchange to share their data for some reason and they don't have any, can it be an international problem? Some Us exchanges are starting to ask their users for an official ID, along with the place of residence, the phone number and also a personal photo of their faces, recently taken. Indeed, other ones also ask the user to download a facial recognition program, so they can scan their face. Of course, it is making users moving into another exchange, but how is going to be the US and Russian attitude towards those exchanges that don't fulfill the requirements they find to be obligatory?

Esta misma discusión la hemos tenido en el foro en inglés y ha sido lamentable ver como la respuesta generalizada era "Pues si no tienes nada que ocultar...", o, "es normal que lo pidan para protegerse...", incluso de parte de miembros legendarios. Parece mentira que no sean conscientes de lo que está en juego, como tú bien indicas. Obviamente, de mi lado, recibieron el tan merecido "corte de mangas" que dices (que supongo que significa lo que nosotros llamamos "pintar dedo" o "mandar a la chingada").

Gracias por tus palabras, me hiciste recuperar la fe en la humanidad.

I have actually zero in Poloniex, and, still, they asked me for a picture of my face, alongside with all the other information.
Exchanges taking this path can become a target for hackers, but maybe the coins are no longer to be their goal, for they can hack even your face and your place of residence, your trading history and exactly know how much you have, how much money you've moved.

Besides, the fact of facial recognition still gives me shivers. I don't have any facebook account of this kind of social media, but I have friends and they post anything in their accounts, even pictures of me with my family, etc. I don't get why the picture, for the facial recognition, is unnecessary and pointless to protect people, on the contrary, this is more about surveillance.


Well done. I didn't hear of it the last December, I just received an email and my account was blocked at the same time. Fortunately, I had nothing in there.
The Circle change, yep, probably that's why.

An exchange can be hacked for a non-inscribed user as well, which makes that even more preocuṕant, for if they hare hacked, the information stolen will contain an image or your face, as long as all your personal data, including, email, residence, formal ID, and so. Besides, now the hacker's target can be, in fact, the data itself. If you have a big amount they will be able to know even where you live.


Of course, and I, in fact, as you can see at the image, I have zero in poloniex.
To me, the problem is about the shape the world is taking. We are into a surveillance nightmare, the facial recognition can say everyone where have you been (a train station? an airport?). I don't see why is necessary to share something so personal, linked to another kind of personal data with no fiscal value.
Besides, as I was talking, many exchanges have been hacked, and now the new target can be the information itself, for it worths money, people, a lot of money. Information is power.

I think some regulations are needed, ok. But this surveillance nightmare is going too far. As long as I provide my fiscal information, my name, and my ID, they should feel satisfied. But why your face? This is the one requirement I find scary as hell. Your face appears on your ID, but some exchanges are even asking for you to download a facial-scan program. To what end? For governments to recognize your face in any airport, street, station? What's next? A DNA sample? With which ones are they going to share this information if asked?


I'm afraid those are not going to survive for long... But, yes, we need to fight this. Orwell's 1984 wasn't supposed to become a manual.

Don't worry, I get you, and I have neither nothing illegal in the move or anything to hide from. But the point is about surveillance. My face, face recognition... this is going too far, under my own perspective, of course.
We are living a surveillance nightmare just being known recently with some news as the Facebook leaks related ones. The leak of information can also happen in exchangers, as well. Facial recognition... this just sounds Orwellian to me. My pick is already on my ID, so, why they need another one? are they going to ask you for a digital fingerprint as well? (this is on the  id, by the way). What's next? A retina scan? A DNA sample? And who are they going to be obliged to share this information with?

To have nothing to hide doesn't mean you have to share everything.

Puf, man, I once thought about using this, but of course, I didn't download this crazy stuff. Why the face? This is my central question. Why do they need to know the shape of your face? They are going too far.


Maybe it depends on the country for the moment. Poloniex is from the US, I'm from Mexico, perhaps that's the reason... You know Trump's Government and Mexicans...

Too short, of course. Maybe it is about making people act without having time to give the desition a good consideration...

It seems an internal company issue to me. I'm sure the Bitcoin talk problem is just one of many if you have such a kind of internal misunderstanding with one of your associates. There's nothing we can do, for it is your word against another's one, and we are not there to judge or to take sides, for it is not the Forum responsibility, but yours only.
You've mentioned you're already going against him in court. Well, I think this is the only way of resolving that. Meantime, in case you're right (I repeat, we don't know the history), just save all those threads so you can use as a proof if validated.

Nice sharing.
Yes, this is growing fast, I think that if you have some recent picks from another conference it should be really amazing to share them, so we all can see the differences.

Sometimes we don't take a minute to think how much has happened in few years. I've been here for more than 4 years now, and both the forum and the cryptoworld have changed in a vortex reality.

First of all, I think you need to be more specific about your criteria. I mean, you shared a list, but it is not explained how is those countrie's attitude towards the enlisted topics. For instance, are they regulating ICO's or not?  If they are regulating them, do you think this to be the better attitude or a bad one?

Your final question is truly interesting, but I'm afraid I cannot give my point of view if I don't fully understand what are you trying to explain!

I've heard of some cases in the Spanish board regarding lawsuits and bitcoin, but, digging for some information, the most famous cases are the ones the press has shared. For instance:
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-in-the-docks-7-crypto-court-cases/
Anyway, with time, more legal precedents will be settled to lawyers to know what to do (this is quite outdated): https://news.bitcoin.com/get-ready-for-2017-these-legal-precedents-on-bitcoin-were-set-in-2016/

Regarding "small cases" I'm afraid there is not much information yet.
In the forum there are some cases, maybe you find this interesting to read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82969.0

Well, it seems that regulations are taking the direction of controlling the exchangers' users information. Given the difficulty of controlling the cryptosystem, for it is decentralized and, somehow, anonymous, governments are choosing to introduce some new requirements into exchangers, so they can control the identity of the crypto users.
The most recent case I've noticed is the Poloniex one, for the new rules have been implemented since the last week. Now, they ask you for your real name, your place of residence, a pick of your personal official ID, your telephone number, and (the most amazing), a picture of your own face, alongside with a paper in which the date must be written.

Regulations are coming, and they can hit hard the market, I'm afraid. Today every coin in Poloniex appears in red.
So. They can't totally control the coins, but they can control the use you make of a coin.

 If exchangers become a new banking system, then, what's the point of crypto?