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6721  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [Diskusi] Initial Exchange Offering (IEO) on: May 03, 2019, 07:49:42 PM
~snip~ Semuanya juga butuh pertimbangan serta abalisa [analisa] yang tepat. IEO sudah tergolong usaha yang sukses dari sebagian besar proyek yang menjalankannya, tapi tidak semua IEO juga bisa balik modal.

Analisa itu adalah hal wajib yang harus dilakukan sebelum menentukan join atau tidak pada suatu proyek, baik itu proyek IEO atau ICO. Tidak hanya pencapaian pada fase IEO yang perlu ditinjau, kualitas dan potensi keberlanjutan dari proyek + token/koin tersebut di masa depan juga wajib untuk dipelajari. Jangan memilih berpartisipasi pada suatu proyek IEO hanya karena ikut-ikutan. Dan pada akhirnya menyesal karena ternyata proyek tersebut gagal berkembang atau tidak mampu bersaing dengan proyek-proyek lainnya.

Ngomong-ngomong masalah "balik modal", ini modal investor maksudnya?
Namanya investasi, pasti ada yang sukses [untung] dan juga ada yang gagal [tidak balik modal/rugi]. Pencapaian yang mana yang kita raih, hal tersebut bisa saja dipengaruhi oleh faktor eksternal ataupun internal. Kalo dari sisi internal, mungkin bisa saja dari cara kita menganalisa dan memilih suatu proyek. Sedangkan dari eksternal, bisa saja diakibatkan oleh faktor seperti trend market, strategi tim proyek, dll.
6722  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN][ICO] VeraExchange - Generasi baru Bursa Pertukaran 🚀🚀🚀 on: May 03, 2019, 07:15:12 PM

Banyaknya pasangan mata uang

Rendah biaya

Daftar putih IP

Juga Daftar putih Alamat Dompet

Kerentanan HeartBleed

Peta Jalan


Untuk beberapa pasangan kata atau kalimat di atas, saya kira bisa lebih diperhalus lagi translatenya. Kadang kala ada kata-kata yang tidak perlu ditranslate karena berbeda secara makna jika kita translate ke dalam bahasa Indonesia. Apalagi itu kata-kata yang sudah familiar / rata-rata orang tau, lebih baik dibiarkan saja [tidak perlu ditranslate]. Contoh : Roadmap, softcap, whitepaper, pair, dll
6723  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Apa itu ICO, IEO dan STO ? on: May 03, 2019, 06:15:12 AM
Tapi itu belum tentu kok gan listing di Binance walaupun ieo nya di market binance, Beberapa waktu yang lalu kyaknya ada kok gan token yang mengadakan ieo di binance tapi token tersebut tidak listing di market Binance.

Mungkin bisa disebutkan token apa yang agan ketahui pernah melakukan IEO di Binance tapi saat ini tidak listing di sana? Saya kok kurang yakin kalo akhirnya gak jadi listing di sana.

Ini ada sedikit info mengenai IEO dan kesepakatan listing.

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Automatic Listing - Once an agreement is settled on between the developer and the exchange, the listing is part of the deal.

Listing adalah salah satu bagian dari kesepakatan antara developer dan pihak exchange. Jadi ketika deal IEO di sana, otomatis juga deal listing di sana.

Cek info lengkap di sini : https://revain.org/beginners-section/what-is-an-initial-exchange-offering-ieo
6724  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [Diskusi] Initial Exchange Offering (IEO) on: May 03, 2019, 03:56:10 AM
~snip~ ada juga nantinya banyak Shitcoin yang memanfaatkan momentum seperti ini ~snip~

Hal itu bisa saja terjadi, oleh karena itu tetap hati-hati dalam memilih suatu proyek untuk berinvestasi. Saya melihat ada gejala ikut-ikutan investasi via IEO tanpa pengetahuan yang cukup terkait potensi proyeknya ke depan. Apalagi dengan informasi yang beredar bahwa untuk invest di sana butuh cepat-cepatan, token/koin IEO biasanya habis hanya dalam hitungan menit. Sehingga akhirnya orang-orang buru-buru memutuskan berinvestasi tanpa riset yang mendalam dulu tentang proyek tersebut. Saya himbau, hindari cara berinvestasi yang seperti ini, karena sangat beresiko sekali. Seperti yang agan bilang, bisa saja proyek shitcoin memanfaatkan trend positif IEO ini.
6725  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [Diskusi] Initial Exchange Offering (IEO) on: May 02, 2019, 10:41:50 PM
~snip~ proyek yang melangsungkan ieo akan mudah menarik calon investor dari pada ico.
~snip~ perkembangan harga lewat IEO sangat meningkat sekali dan w12 benar-benar akan maju dengan peminat yang sudah mulai banyak gan.

Untuk saat iya, tapi tetap hati-hati dalam memilih proyek IEO walaupun sedang hits dan banyak diminati para investor. Karena menurut saya, IEO tidak bisa menggaransi kesuksesan dari suatu proyek. IEO hanyalah awal dari perjalanan panjang suatu proyek, jadi tetap lakukan riset dari WP sampai medsos suatu proyek secara menyeluruh untuk mengetahui potensi kesuksesannya. Fokus utama tetap pada kualitas proyek dan treck record timnya.

6726  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] Cloudbet Signature Campaign | Member - Legendary | Local Posters Wanted! on: May 02, 2019, 10:21:16 PM
~snip~ Make sure to check out the spreadsheet if you've been accepted. Please update your Signature & Avatar ASAP if you've been accepted and if any information is wrong in the spreadsheet just let me know and I'll fix it.

Thank you so much for accepting me. I have already changed my signature, avatar, and personal text.  Cheesy
6727  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] Cloudbet Signature Campaign | Member - Legendary | Local Posters Wanted! on: May 02, 2019, 09:19:27 AM
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2003707
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I will change my signature soon if I am accepted.  Cheesy
6728  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] Cloudbet Signature Campaign | Member - Legendary | Local Posters Wanted! on: May 02, 2019, 04:30:30 AM
Hi Hhampuz. It's nice to see your new campaign. Anyway, will bonus rate also apply to posts made in Indonesian local board?
6729  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: An old but unexplored project on: April 30, 2019, 02:00:11 AM
If I see the Decent charts, I doubt to invest in this coin. It seems the price going to decrease over time. It is better to see new issues that can improve the DCT price first. Then, it may be the right time to buy since sometimes it can trigger the rising of a coin/token price.  
6730  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is IEO Profitable than ICO's? on: April 29, 2019, 10:14:28 PM
Is the IEO more worthy than the ICO? Well, the answer depends on how you see it and how the IEO assures you. The IEO is indeed a new thing in crowdfunding that is very interesting and often even persuades prospective investors to invest in their projects. However, it's not that easy. The IEO will be better than ICO if they really present a new and interesting idea with a real product. Of course, besides that, make sure that the exchange chosen in the IEO is a trusted exchange. We can also see whether the IEO is truly worthy by looking at how the volume and cycle of selling tokens or coins in the exchange, fake or not.
6731  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin stops bank runs - own your keys! on: April 28, 2019, 11:29:38 PM
There are times when we have to be more vigilant in taking control of our finances, especially in Bitcoin. We may have learned a lot about the various scandals carried out by banks that have even been trusted. In holding Bitcoin, we have also been taught to be more careful and vigilant to secure our private keys security system, both in one exchange and another. For, everyone will have several wallets and exchange. Protect and secure your private keys while you can. Never forget the security system for the security of your own Bitcoin, like you are in control of the security of your own bank.
6732  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin and online transctions on: April 28, 2019, 10:46:15 PM
So far, the use of Bitcoin for online transaction is still limited. This is constrained because many merchants who have not recognized and accepted Bitcoin as a valid and profitable payment. The price is volatile. So, there is a tendency for concerns about the profit or loss they might get. However, basically, this does not rule out the possibility that someday Bitcoin will be accepted at more merchants so that it will increase trust and value for Bitcoin.
6733  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IEO or ICO for good investment at cryptocoin project on: April 28, 2019, 05:54:12 AM
Actually, I prefer to invest in top coins if I have funds. I have no idea to invest in IEOs or ICOs, I think those are the same, we put money on new coins. I am still not sure to buy new coins. I feel afraid to see the prices going down very hard or the project fails to develop after the token sale. However, if you ask me which one is better, I think IEO is a bit better to invest than ICO.  Wink
6734  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Adakah cara untuk mempercepat adopsi bitcoin di Indonesia? on: April 28, 2019, 04:24:34 AM
~snip~ soal nya kebanyakan masyarakat beranggapan bahwa :
 Blockchain = Bitcoin = Ngk jelas harga nya = ngk jelas sektor investasi nya
Itu pendapat masyarakat atau pendapat pribadi agan @Tsunade?  Grin
Kalo dalam pandangan saya, mereka yang beranggapan demikian karena memang masih minim pengetahuan terkait tentang hal tersebut. Saya gak terlalu surprised juga sebenarnya, karena sangat wajar, toh Blockchain dan crypto ini adalah hal yang tergolong masih baru di negara kita. Apalagi ini kan memang hanya digeluti oleh sebagian orang saja. Saya berkeyakinan kalo setelah dilegalkannya aset digital crypto di awal bulan Februari tahun ini, maka akan makin banyak yang tau dan tertarik dengan dunia crypto, Bitcoin, dan Blockchain. Saya berpikir kalo salah satu hambatan perkembangannya sebelumnya adalah terkait legalitas. Cek : http://bappebti.go.id/pbk/sk_kep_kepala_bappebti/detail/5205

Apa maksudnya Blockchain = Bitcoin?
Dua hal ini punya bidang masing-masing, tidak bisa dikomparasikan.
Coba agan pahami dulu perbedaannya dari sumber ini : https://journey.utuhwibowo.com/post/165187393186/perbedaan-blockchain-bitcoin.

Mengenai ini "Bitcoin = Ngk jelas harga nya = ngk jelas sektor investasi nya"
Harga Bitcoin itu bukannya tidak jelas, tapi nilainya fluktuatif karena dapat dipengaruhi oleh perubahan beberapa faktor seperti demand di market atau isu terkni [isu positif/negatif]. Tapi justru fluktuasi harga ini yang membuat potensi keuntungan menjadi besar. Karena adanya gap atau selisih harga antara saat up dan down.
Anyway, cukup jelas ya gan terkait sektor investasi dari Bitcoin. Bitcoin ini adalah aset digital yang berbentuk mata uang digital. Sebenarnya kalo agan tau mengenai saham, maka berinvestasi di Bitcoin ini mirip seperti apa yang kita lakukan pada saham.    

~snip~ Saya pernah melihat berita penggunaan bitcoin sebagai alat transaksi di Bali namun secara hukum masih bertentangan dengan UUD. ~snip~
Transaksi apa gan? Untuk tujuan pembayaran lokal atau non-lokal? Kalo untuk transaksi non-lokal [luar negeri], menurut saya itu sah-sah saja, sebab belum ada hukum/undang-undang yang mengaturnya. UUD yang ada di negara kita hanya mengatur urusan transaksi lokal saja [dalam negeri].

~snip~ Untuk teknologi dari crypto menurut saya sudah mulai banyak diadopsi dengan banyaknya pembayaran dan transaksi lebih mudah  ~snip~
Bisa dikasih contoh untuk transaksi/pembayaran apa yang sudah menggunakan crypto? Setahu saya crypto itu masih belum diperbolehkan untuk penggunaan sebagai alat transaksi/pembayaran.
6735  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Mining misguided on: April 27, 2019, 11:57:54 PM
~snip~ ALWAYS GO FOR POPULAR COINS TO MINE

Indeed. Why we should mine new coins if there are some popular coins to mine. I think there are no big reasons to mine new coins nowadays. Just look at the investors, they prefer to buy and hold top coins now. They know to have new coins as assets are too risky because when they are listed on exchanges, the prices will drop very much or even no values at all. For me, it is the same with mining, to mine Bitcoin and other popular coins are much better than new coins. Even if we don't get high profits but at least, it must have values on the market.
6736  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: No best year in crypto currency on: April 27, 2019, 10:31:04 PM
Yes, there is no specific time to get profits or losing. Everything depends on how good we utilize the moment, what we can do in the pump time and what the choice in the dump time. I think most people should follow pump-dump to get profits now. Of course, there are many people who may get loses with these new trends [pump-dump] in the crypto market, but it is the fact that we must learn well. However, it is your choice, you may follow it or not.
6737  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: STOP FOLLOWING BITCOIN WITH SENTIMENTS! on: April 27, 2019, 04:48:19 PM
I personally think that it is not only about Bitcoin but the whole cryptocurrencies. Following the crypto with sentiments will give negative impacts for us, especially only expecting the profits only and will see the BTC and other cryptos from one side. That is why before investing or involved in Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, we must analyze it first without sentimental, with carefulness and consideration.
6738  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's value after being more recognized and accepted globally. on: April 27, 2019, 02:09:42 PM
The cycle of the Bitcoin really appears after the bullrun in 2017 and being hype in the world. Many people recognized and accepted Bitcoin globally as a worthy thing to invest and to make money. However, in fact, it only lasts for a moment. Where there were many people only follow the hype and then entered in crypto world because of fomo, the increasing new crypto projects, and also increasing scam projects, the value of Bitcoin seems decreasing. It may be true when the BTC has reached a higher rate, it is still volatile.
6739  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Too much crypto payment projects but little people accepting crypto payments on: April 27, 2019, 01:31:57 PM
Well, not all crypto projects for payments have the trusted team and concepts by the companies that relate to the payment and transaction. First is about the uncertainty and volatility of the crypto that cannot be ignored. Of course, it will make some commerce companies fear to accept and use the crypto for payment method. It also relates to the security and trust of the users.
Although there are actually some good coins that really feature and match to the payment and transactions, they probably need other moments to be more accepted by many more people.
6740  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think? on: April 26, 2019, 11:59:21 PM
Yeah, it is absolutely a problem when there are many people just depend on expert's prediction about the market trends, crypto price development, scam cases, and other things related to crypto issues. Everyone should have independent learning, then they can develop their selves and be smart to deal with various situations in the crypto world. They can avoid something like FUDs, FOMO, or Scams. And everyone will be able to choose the best coins for their assets their selves. Finally, if many people are already being smart, fraudsters and scammers may be reduced in number or even disappear.
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