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681  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain bug *urgent* on: April 10, 2017, 12:03:05 AM
This same display bug also came up in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1862285.msg18524938#msg18524938
682  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: can someone explain me wtf is that in bitcoin ??! on: April 09, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
It appears that the "Hide scripts & coinbase" mode has a display bug.

If you put the display in "Show scripts & coinbase" mode you can see the entire transaction.  It is probably the cold storage address for a large business (exchange).

They consolidated 10,000 BTC into a single multisig address.

Use this link to see the entire transaction:

https://blockchain.info/en/tx/3ab4f97a40229b0f4c394011bc606409e8c22c0a8ea93264952a5f115e35a3a7?show_adv=true

Inputs:

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3P7EYAwdijsr1bSigHgvYf9Uss5cqVDks9 (216.61040417 BTC - Output)
38pqPzWqRAZeyEgSFbqBibrXqY7wk68SJZ (367.29452716 BTC - Output)
3Np2Fukm4p2h6SeVUmDPEyN9siqTBBaGBU (296.20085756 BTC - Output)
3Dn8Mbd21GRZc7hsz3SuJB9zaU9zGVpqcS (538.02000835 BTC - Output)
34qaLRoecJtZwq8p64XZJjnAutaXe3axus (643.79753397 BTC - Output)
3636tW4rtxfdnamni6WnevRxeE32LknKDw (876.80697446 BTC - Output)
3B8z59bPa514KvofQjooA3VtXahCe1B9bA (296.49948704 BTC - Output)
399EoTVdCceJ79vxFaF9SThZPpp84W6e2f (993.25272321 BTC - Output)
3FbhddECXyWnHgiq4eMH8qx7JuoAoRzHAF (925.72581985 BTC - Output)
34GCKLLfUp1dkw32L8VDqu8tQVU8yRqqXS (997.52662098 BTC - Output)
3KGiHMGEAcDb78Kz8gyXogYQTP3KrgREWH (1,000 BTC - Output)
382pDnGcVxgo29Dffvm6w5ShpidKVxAaE6 (984.05232068 BTC - Output)
39Suvx8Aee5DCfL2f4zVj1iKGBa8aM9Pg8 (994.13996674 BTC - Output)
3JfMiPRxJD9FJh3vFvMPhfJTuWfh7PCrTr (988.70300949 BTC - Output)

Were sent to:

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3Nxwenay9Z8Lc9JBiywExpnEFiLp6Afp8v - (Unspent) 10,000 BTC
34EFTLrhDBKB7sPdYXZmrt5w42GKdscBX1 - (Spent) 118.62456688 BTC
683  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain bug *urgent* on: April 09, 2017, 10:46:07 PM
I see.  I never use the "Hide scripts & coinbase" option so I have never seen this.

I checked a few other multisig transactions and it turns out that with the "Hide scripts & coinbase" I always got incorrect information and with the "Show scripts & coinbase" I always got correct information.

Since, in this case, both 38fDdi6VRdLBj78iFgJTSgautnPqkyYZd2 and 17yCiAc3sj1odwSH8ads24DykG789xDWJy  show the same hash (4c71d2c874e3125bf26ad92ee8433307c59588fe) I expect it is just a bug in the display calculation routine when in the "Hide scripts & coinbase" mode.  Probably worth reporting to blockchain.info
684  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain bug *urgent* on: April 09, 2017, 10:03:08 PM
OK, now that is strange.  When I look it up on blockchain it shows the correct information.  Do you get the correct or incorrect information when you click the link in my previous post?

Please post the link that gave you that incorrect information.
685  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain bug *urgent* on: April 09, 2017, 09:55:26 PM
I think its a blockchain.info bug. Other explorer are showing correct address.  
I do not understand what you mean.  All three:

https://blockexplorer.com/tx/51dc4bd0a0ea087cbae7840e28e08008d2da4053c7dd12f0d3362042eac45d95

and

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/51dc4bd0a0ea087cbae7840e28e08008d2da4053c7dd12f0d3362042eac45d95/

and

https://blockchain.info/tx/51dc4bd0a0ea087cbae7840e28e08008d2da4053c7dd12f0d3362042eac45d95

Show exactly the same transaction with exactly the same results:

  Input to the transaction was:

    14TxaUPJkSqSotXW2GdBt45mq8P3H24T4i (0.063248 BTC)

  Outputs of the transaction were:

    38fDdi6VRdLBj78iFgJTSgautnPqkyYZd2 - (Spent) 0.0526 BTC
    1GrE3mohvRHbUWXuoChMdoAoHuBZuARrHu - (Unspent) 0.01034253 BTC

Again, both block chain browsers are showing exactly the same transaction.  Why do you think they are different?

Exactly, have no clue, but do you? seems to me you're as clueless as everyone else here, could you tell me how does someone sending bitcoins to an address starting with 3 funds ends up in an address that starts with 1?

Yes, I do know what I am talking about here.  What the hell are you talking about?  This is not even a tricky transaction.

All that happened is that 0.063248 BTC was sent from 14TxaUPJkSqSotXW2GdBt45mq8P3H24T4i, 0.0526 BTC of it went to 38fDdi6VRdLBj78iFgJTSgautnPqkyYZd2 (which was later spent) and the change of 0.01034253 BTC was sent to, and is still sitting unspent at, 1GrE3mohvRHbUWXuoChMdoAoHuBZuARrHu

This is just a normal run of the mill everyday transaction.  I have no idea what you are running on about especially since SegWit has not been turned on and may never be turned on.

686  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: 24 word seed question : is splitting it in half dangerous? on: April 09, 2017, 08:39:30 PM
I wish I had done this.

When I was arrested they searched my home and office, found my backup with all 24 words, and confiscated all of my Bitcoins.  So it can be dangerous to have all 24 words where they can be found by homeland security.
687  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain bug *urgent* on: April 09, 2017, 08:35:14 PM
As it appears this might be an attempt to exploit segwit since multisig addresses are used in sw, I don't know but this may very well be some sorts of attack or propaganda against sw by BU lovers?
You have no idea what you are talking about do you.
688  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain bug *urgent* on: April 09, 2017, 08:32:14 PM
go here: https://blockchain.info/tx/51dc4bd0a0ea087cbae7840e28e08008d2da4053c7dd12f0d3362042eac45d95

click "show scripts and coinbase" you will see the outputs change...
I am not an expert on this but i know the address starting with 3 is multisig address,
so it is like the script of the multisig output then set to another one or something.

maybe someone who knows more can elaborate on whats going on
I expect all of this BTC movement you are seeing is inside the coins.ph system.  His "wallet" is just a database entry - totally independent of these addresses.  I could be wrong but that is what it looks like:  he has a coins.ph account not a Bitcoin wallet.
689  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain bug *urgent* on: April 09, 2017, 08:24:45 PM
coins.ph looks like a web account not a Bitcoin wallet.  In a web account you do not actually own and posses the private keys for your Bitcoins - they do.  In a real wallet you actually own and posses the private keys for the Bitcoins. Not sure about this but judging by the comment like "they have my Bitcoins and won't give them to me" etc. it looks like an account not a wallet.

Lots of bad reviews here:

http://bittrust.org/coinsph

690  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: do i have to pay tax on bitcoins ? on: April 04, 2017, 07:38:13 PM
Over here, there is no tax at all to the best of my knowledge and I will attribute this to the level of development of both our tax systems and financial system to the extent that not even entrepreneurs that earn money offline and keep bank accounts have been able to brought into the tax net since they didnt register any business not to talk of those who are earning money online. Maybe in the next 10 years we could get there but now, I guess every one should just continue to enjoy the tax holiday...
Where is "over here"?
691  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: do i have to pay tax on bitcoins ? on: April 02, 2017, 01:40:30 PM
so i wanna know do i realy have to pay taxes on bitcoins and does my gov recognize bitcoins as my property and do i have to care about any legal action by  gov on my bitcoin property ?
Here in the United States Bitcoin is classified as an “asset” meaning there are no taxes for receiving Bitcoin, however you are taxed when you exchange Bitcoin for USD.

Of course it varies from country to country, and OP didn’t state where he’s from.

you put in a way that to me sound like i can use bitcoin(not dumping for fiat first, just use it on various website) in USA to purchase what i want without paying anything is this correct?

if this is correct, the taxation of bitcoin can only do good and incentivate the usageof bitcoin, instead of relying on fiat all the time
In the US Bitcoin is treated as a asset (like a stock) for the purposes of taxation.  What this means is that you must keep track of exactly how much you pay for every Bitcoin you purchase in USD.  This gives you the base cost of the Bitcoin in USD.  Then when you either sell the Bitcoin or use it to purchase anything you must use the value received in USD to calculate if you had a gain or a loss on the sale or use or barter of the Bitcoins in USD.

For example:

   You purchased 100 Bitcoins a long time ago for $5 each.  

   Today you trade 50 of these Bitcoins for a car worth $50,000.

To calculate the tax you subtract the base cost from the value received:

   The base cost to you of the 50 Bitcoins was $5 x 50 = $250.

   The value received was $50,000.

So you would owe the capital gains tax on:  

Quote
$50,000 - $250 = $49,750

This would obviously be a long term capital gain, which is taxed at a rate of 0%, 15%, 20% or 23.8% depending on your income and tax bracket.  Assuming a tax rate of 15% the taxes you would owe on this transaction would be:

Quote
$49,750 x 15% = $7,462.50 (in USD, they do not accept Bitcoin for tax payments)

Many of you will not like what I just said.  Whether you like it or not - however you personally feel about Bitcoins, taxation of them etc. - that is the law in the US.  Failure to report and pay the taxes owed is punishable under the law.  How you feel about it is not material once you are arrested and facing fines, asset forfeiture, and prison.
692  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: * Note to BTC Core Devs, BitFury is Going to Sue you if you Change the PoW Algo on: March 29, 2017, 03:10:31 AM
I am surprised at the guys commenting on this asinine thread.  You all know that the PoW will never be changed.  So why argue such a stupid hypothetical?  You guys bored with the BU segwit debate?

If there is a contentious fork and one side decides that it will 51% attack the other (which they have already stated they will do), why wouldn't the other side defend their chain by changing the proof of work?

Or are you suggesting that a contentious fork will never occur and/or a 51% attack will never happen?
Bingo. NONE of this shit is going to happen.  None of it.  You guys have all been here long enough to know this.

Now back to more bickering over a bunch of things that will never happen....
693  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: * Note to BTC Core Devs, BitFury is Going to Sue you if you Change the PoW Algo on: March 29, 2017, 02:00:40 AM
I am surprised at the guys commenting on this asinine thread.  You all know that the PoW will never be changed.  So why argue such a stupid hypothetical?  You guys bored with the BU segwit debate?
694  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Owner of BUchain.info,looking for a team to build the Bitcoin Unlimited Chain on: March 28, 2017, 12:53:50 AM
More power to you.  Go for it.  You must realize though that all of your effort will be in vain when the BU fork never happens.  People have been claiming they were going to fork Bitcoin for years.  It never happens.  It won't happen this time.  If you want to waste your time on a dead end project - well it is your time and money to waste.
695  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Owner of BUchain.info,looking for a team to build the Bitcoin Unlimited Chain on: March 27, 2017, 01:34:32 PM
Maybe i know something  Shocked
No, you really don't Wink
696  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Alitin Mint Coin Breach on: March 23, 2017, 02:28:25 PM
Never trust a private key that has been engraved.

As opposed to what, printed and placed under a hologram?

- Engravers need to be programmed and you need to trust that programming is wiped.  If you hire someone to do it because good engraving equipment is expensive then you have to trust their setup and that they did not save the programming intentionally or unintentionally.  Only real way is to use an air-gaped system and properly wipe it after. 

- any imperfections on a metal surface can be seen using imaging equipment hologram or no hologram.
 
As opposed to an affordable printer that can be destroyed when done or one that doesn't save jobs to memory.
Good point.  I wonder if the private keys were programmed into the engraving machine and if so was that the point of failure.  Interesting idea.
697  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Alitin Mint Coin Breach on: March 22, 2017, 05:22:40 PM
I asked him about the mint and the engraving, here is what he said:

Northwest Territory Mint had nothing to do with the engraving of codes to the coins.  We told everyone we met at every bitcoin conference we attended as an exhibitor that Northwest did our coin minting.  The process of engraving codes and casing the coins was done after they were received by us.  They played no part in our security process whatsoever.  

So, the mint is not one of the suspects.
698  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Help urgently needed on: March 21, 2017, 11:19:43 PM
OP, what did you find?  Currently about 9 of your BTC are here:

https://blockchain.info/address/15WGKeaRMMPHJZayoB1n3XWScThKDeNEoE

There has been a lot of activity with these BTC.  Are you sure you sent them to your blockchain.info wallet?  It looks more like you sent them to an exchange or something like that...

Or did you get them and start to split them up?
699  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BU an actual threat? on: March 21, 2017, 11:12:11 PM
 I have only just started reading a little about BU. It seems to me that this is being blown out of proportion. Whichever party wins seems to just indicate the majority of the market will shift that direction, and whether BU takes over or BTC remains dominant won't really matter much.

    For your rank and file bitcoin user, it won't actually represent any loss of value, it just seems to be a power play of the ultra rich. Even if hash power is concentrated in fewer hands, a 51% attack would still be prevented by simple self interest. Am I missing something?

At this time i would say there is currently a 25% chance that BU will fork the network, for security they need to wait untill they have a definite majority and they have even said that they will wait until at least 75%.
Funny, at this time i would say there is currently a 0.00025% chance that BU will fork the network.  Did you pull your number out of your ass?  I just pulled that number out of mine.
700  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BU an actual threat? on: March 21, 2017, 11:08:53 PM
This is my question here for you BurtW: if I have my btc on the exchanges, should I move them to an address that I control if I want to take advantage of the fork in the event it occurs?  Is that a question I should ask the exchanges?  Or, should I do that no matter what, just to be sure my position is optimized?  I have a feeling we're going to fork and I want to get the most out of it.

(I more or less know the answer....but just trying to double check and get some objective feedback)
First, I don't think any of these major changes are going to happen.  

Second, I keep my BTC on my own Trezor hardware wallet - I do not trust any exchanges.

Third, if Bitcoin splits into two (BTCa, BTCb) then I expect that most exchanges will offer the service of converting your pre-fork BTC into separate BTCa and BTCb coins and I would take advantage of that service to convert my BTC into BTCa and BTCb at the exchange then bring back both coins to my Trezor - unless I sell one to increase my holdings of the other.
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