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681  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 26, 2012, 05:23:42 AM

I hope they start locking his account on this forum.  There is a lot of incriminating evidence on all this posts over the last year.

Uh, how would that help even if there was 100% proof?

How would it not help?  A few pages back he entered the LastPass account again without authorization.

It probably doesn't matter much at this point considering no one is going to trust bitcoinica with money anymore, but if a company doesn't bother to change passwords after hacks it's worth noting.

I don't think you followed the link, those accusations would be called embezzlement, money laundering, and wire fraud.  After this those previous 'hacks' could be called into question as well.
682  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 26, 2012, 05:15:25 AM

I hope they start locking his account on this forum.  There is a lot of incriminating evidence on all this posts over the last year.

Uh, how would that help even if there was 100% proof?

How would it not help?  A few pages back he entered the LastPass account again without authorization.
683  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 26, 2012, 05:11:33 AM

I hope they start locking his account on this forum.  There is a lot of incriminating evidence on all this posts over the last year.
684  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Payment Not Delivered by "R-" for Work Rendered on: July 25, 2012, 06:49:43 PM
As for him owing you $70, that's not really correct. If you charge back the whole $70 (which I would do), then you basically got 4 free bitcoins. The payment owed is owed at the time of the transaction agreement.

Nothing is being charged back. I bought 12.5 BTC for $70, but only recieved 4.5 BTC. Therefore I am owed 8 BTC. He does not owe me any USD at all.

I'm fine with just giving R- a scammer tag and leaving it at that, unless he wants to send the 8 BTC to me and also the 36 BTC owed to OP. However, I think that outcome is unlikely.

You won't lose your PayPal account if you call your credit card company and ask for a chargeback because of fraud.  It was fraud on the part of the seller as they did not give you the items you paid for.  I have done chargebacks for thousands of dollars (because of hosting companies failing to live up to their TOS) and my PayPal account has never been closed.

It takes about 30 - 45 days, but the longer you wait the more likely you won't get your money back.
685  Economy / Securities / Re: [CPA] Cytokene's Insurance Thread on: July 24, 2012, 10:29:34 PM
..for TEEK.B there is demand for insurance (someone created HEDGE shares for it, to provide covering to some extent).


I created the TEEK.B surety bonds as an experiment to see if there was any demand.  I don't think there is enough demand for a month-long insurance bond like I set up.  As more of these shares fall in price, start forgetting dividend payments, or worse a total collapse of a security, I think more people will realize the risks involved and take out insurance.
686  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] BFLS.RIG - BFL Hardware mining & Sales on: July 24, 2012, 10:15:33 PM
I'm told sometime next week.

That is good news.  Also, do you use 2-factor authentication for GLBSE.  I would hate to see something happen to BFLS like has been happening to other asset creators.
687  Other / Off-topic / [tor-relays] turning funding into more exit relays: Discussion on: July 24, 2012, 08:18:11 PM
In case people don't follow tor newsgroup discussions I am posting this here for others to join in the discussion.

Quote
For a few years now, funders have been asking if they can pay Tor to
run more relays. I kept telling them their money was better spent on
code and design improvements:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/why-tor-is-slow
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/roadmaps/Tor/Performance
since a) network load would just grow to fill whatever new capacity we
have, especially if we don't deal with the tiny fraction of users who
do bulk downloads, and b) reducing diversity of relay operator control
can harm anonymity.

But lately the Tor network has become noticeably faster, and I think it
has a lot to do with the growing amount of excess relay capacity relative
to network load:
https://metrics.torproject.org/network.html?graph=bandwidth&start=2010-06-01&end=2012-07-21#bandwidth

At the same time, much of our performance improvement comes from better
load balancing -- that is, concentrating traffic on the relays that can
handle it better. The result though is a direct tradeoff with relay
diversity: on today's network, clients choose one of the fastest 5 exit
relays around 25-30% of the time, and 80% of their choices come from a
pool of 40-50 relays.
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6443

Since extra capacity is clearly good for performance, and since we're
not doing particularly well at diversity with the current approach,
we're going to try an experiment: we'll connect funding to exit relay
operators so they can run bigger and/or better exit relays.

If we do it right (make more faster exit relays that aren't the current
biggest ones, so there are more to choose from), we will improve the
network's diversity as well as being able to handle more users.

We've lined up our first funder (BBG, aka http://www.voanews.com/),
and they're excited to have us start as soon as we can. They want to
sponsor 125+ fast exits.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Open questions we need to decide about:

1) What exactly would we pay for?

I think the right way to do it is to offer to reimburse bandwidth/hosting
costs -- I don't want to get into the business of paying people to
run relays, and I don't want people to be trying to figure out how to
"profit". That leads to all sorts of horrible incentive structures.

More broadly, we should keep in mind that the primary cost of running an
exit relay is effort, not dollars: it takes dedication to find an ISP
who will host it, and to hold that ISP's hand when an abuse complaint
arrives. Or said another way, hosting costs are in many cases not the
biggest barrier to running an exit relay.

I think we should aim to constrain ourselves to talking about >=100mbit
exits, assuming that turns out to give us enough choices. That said,
we don't want to concentrate bandwidth too much in any given relay,
so we should limit the amount we'll reimburse per relay.

2) Should we fund existing relays or new ones?

The worst failure mode here would be that we screw up the current
community of relay operators. That's why it's extra important to keep
them involved at each step of this discussion.

I think the right answer is probably a balance of reimbursing costs from
current exits and encouraging new exits to appear. Before we can get
more precise though, we need to get a handle on how many current fast
exits there are, and what their constraints are (whether their hosting
situation could give them more bandwidth, whether they're paying now or
getting a deal through a friend/employer, etc).

Even then, there are interesting further questions like:

- Should we prefer big collectives like torservers, noisetor, CCC,
dfri.se, and riseup (which can get great bulk rates on bandwidth and are
big enough to have relationships with local lawyers and ISPs), or should
we prefer individuals since they maximize our operator diversity? I think
"explore both approaches" is a fine first plan.

- For existing relays who pay for hosting, should we prefer that our money
go to covering their existing costs (and then we encourage them to save
their money for use, say, after this experiment finishes), or should we
aim to add additional funding so the relay can use more bandwidth? I'd
say it comes down to the preferences of the relay operator. That said, if
we have plenty to choose from, we should pick the relays that will make
the network grow -- but we should take extra care to avoid situations
where operators in the first category say "well, fine" and shut down
their relay.

More generally, we need to consider sustainability. Our current exit
relay funding is for a period of 12 months, and while there's reason to
think we will find continued support, the Tor network must not end up
addicted to external funding. So long as everybody is running an exit
relay because they want to save the world, I think we should be fine.

4) What exactly do we mean by diversity?

There's network diversity (AS / upstream network topology), organization
and operator diversity, jurisdictional (country) diversity, funding
diversity, data-center diversity, and more.

We've started to answer some of these questions at
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6232
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/research-problem-measuring-safety-tor-network
but this research topic will need ongoing attention. I'd love to get to
the point where our diversity metrics can recommend network locations
that best improve the various diversity scores.

5) How much "should" an exit relay cost?

Since we're aiming for diversity, we can't send all our volunteers to
the same cut-rate German VPS provider. After all, much of the work in
setting up an exit relay is finding a good provider that doesn't already
host a bunch of Tor relays.

But if we declare that we'll reimburse $50/month for 100mbit, we're going
to attract a different set of volunteers -- and a different set of network
locations -- than if we reimburse $100/month for 100mbit. We need to learn
about current bandwidth pricing: I know there are 10 cheap hosting places
that will tolerate exit relays, but are there 200? And do all of those
200 turn out to overlap diversity-wise? Initial guesses appreciated. I'm
inclined toward the $100 number to give our volunteers more flexibility.

If we want to reimburse on a monthly basis, how do we handle situations
where the ISP wants a longer-term contract? I think the answer will come
down to how many choices we have.

6) How exactly should we choose which exit relay operators to reimburse?

It might be premature to speculate until we better understand what choices
are available to us. But I think the answer must include doing it in a way
that encourages continued growth of the relay operator _community_. People
who are active in the Tor community, and well-known to many other people,
should be part of the answer. At the same time, we should be willing to
put some of the money into trying out new places and people, especially
if they're in good locations diversity-wise.

The broader answer is that we as a community need to figure out a good
answer here. I definitely don't want it to be "Roger picks people in
an opaque way". But I also don't want the answer to be "anybody on the
Internet who offers to take our money". Maybe we should put together a
consortium of current Tor activists who run fast exits?

7) How do we audit / track the sponsored relays?

How should we check that your 100mbit relay is really working? What do
we measure to confirm its capacity? To a first approximation I'm fine
assuming that nobody is going to try to cheat (say, by colluding with
an ISP to write legit-looking invoices but then just split the money).

But as the plan scales, we need good ways to track statistics on how
many relays are being sponsored and how much bandwidth they're providing
(so funders can see how effective their money is), and what fraction of
the overall network these sponsored relays are (to keep an eye on the
diversity questions).

Cool Legal questions?

Tor exit relays raise plenty of legal questions already, especially when
you consider jurisdiction variety. But reimbursing relays introduces
even more excitement, such as:

- Does such a relay operator end up in a different situation legally?
- Does the overall Tor network change legal categories in some country,
e.g. becoming a telecommunications service when it wasn't before?
- Does The Tor Project Inc incur new liabilities for offering this money?

Tor has a history of creating fascinating new challenges for legal
scholars, and this exit relay funding experiment will be no exception.

I believe if we position it correctly, we won't really change the legal
context. But I encourage people to investigate these questions for
their jurisdiction.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Next steps:

I'm going to do a short blog post pointing to this thread, since many
interested parties aren't on tor-relays yet.

Then I'll send individual emails to exit relay operators pointing them
to it and asking for their feedback (on the list or private, whichever
they prefer). I'll also try to get some sense of how much their hosting
costs, whether they'd want to participate in our experiment, whether
they're in a position to ramp up to a faster connection, etc.

Once we have some concrete facts about how many current exit relays want
to participate, how many new volunteers want to help, and how many ISPs
could handle more exit relays and at what prices, we'll be in a better
position to decide how to proceed.

--Roger
688  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 24, 2012, 06:37:40 AM

You should really talk to an attorney that knows a thing about business organization laws.  If you made any mistake during the initial creation of bitcoinica in Delaware and how it was sold then you may still be liable even if you had no access to the financials.

Zhou did not sell the Delaware entity (xWaylab Inc).

Well whatever it was that was sold.  I remember sometime in Nov or Dec a post by zhoutong stating that he was not interested in partnering or selling the site, yet in the resignation letter the sale already had or was happening.
689  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 24, 2012, 06:20:34 AM
Guys, I'm not happy, constantly worried and possibly scared. I didn't have a nice sleep since long time ago.

I'm really afraid of the possible criminal charges if things don't work out well. It'll be devastating to my life, considering the permanent record and inconvenience in every single official activity, even if I'm proven innocent. I know some victims are desparate, and they are going to take actions against whatever entity that's ever related to Bitcoinica.

When the General Partners asked for apology, I gave. When they asked for respect, I also gave. I also contributed a significant portion of my personal investment to compensate the victims. I'm trying to cut down the ties but I can't, even though I owned nothing of the company since January and announced the change of management explicitly in April.

And today, there are still people claiming that I hacked the accounts. Both Mt. Gox and AurumXchange froze some of my personal funds without giving specific reasons (they did tell me some generic reasons), persumably related to Bitcoinica. I'm really nervous! (If it's unrelated, please email/PM me so that I'll feel much better.)

I can be sure that I'm not financially related to Bitcoinica, and I should never be liable for any debt of the company. I am willing to join any lawsuit against Bitcoin/Bitcoinica Consultancy Ltd and/or Bitcoinica LP as a claimant, and I also possess important but secretive documents that can only be revealed in court.

I want to do whatever I can to help you, and help myself.

How much did you make on the sale of Bitcoinica?

I want to tell you, but I can't. It's the only thing NDA'd.

All I can say is, the money isn't enough to compensate for my unhappiness and worries during this period.

Well if that lawsuit comes up then it will probably become public anyway.  You should probably get an attorney if yo have not already, and the attorney will tell you to stop talking on this forum and making public statements.  I know you want to protect your reputation but forget about that.

You should really talk to an attorney that knows a thing about business organization laws.  If you made any mistake during the initial creation of bitcoinica in Delaware and how it was sold then you may still be liable even if you had no access to the financials.
690  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 24, 2012, 05:55:04 AM
Guys, I'm not happy, constantly worried and possibly scared. I didn't have a nice sleep since long time ago.

I'm really afraid of the possible criminal charges if things don't work out well. It'll be devastating to my life, considering the permanent record and inconvenience in every single official activity, even if I'm proven innocent. I know some victims are desparate, and they are going to take actions against whatever entity that's ever related to Bitcoinica.

When the General Partners asked for apology, I gave. When they asked for respect, I also gave. I also contributed a significant portion of my personal investment to compensate the victims. I'm trying to cut down the ties but I can't, even though I owned nothing of the company since January and announced the change of management explicitly in April.

And today, there are still people claiming that I hacked the accounts. Both Mt. Gox and AurumXchange froze some of my personal funds without giving specific reasons (they did tell me some generic reasons), persumably related to Bitcoinica. I'm really nervous! (If it's unrelated, please email/PM me so that I'll feel much better.)

I can be sure that I'm not financially related to Bitcoinica, and I should never be liable for any debt of the company. I am willing to join any lawsuit against Bitcoin/Bitcoinica Consultancy Ltd and/or Bitcoinica LP as a claimant, and I also possess important but secretive documents that can only be revealed in court.

I want to do whatever I can to help you, and help myself.

How much did you make on the sale of Bitcoinica?
691  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAMMER TAG: bitoinica on: July 24, 2012, 04:20:58 AM
At the very least bitocintalk.com should freeze all accounts of those involved with Bitcoinica before all the posts disappear.  If I am not mistaken though, even if the posts are deleted they are still stored in the database.
692  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 24, 2012, 03:38:13 AM
So Zhou, who had almost exonerated himself by showing lots of good faith information distribution to the victims of his incompetence and his partner's lies and obfuscation, admits that while he "doesn't work for them" and "hasn't had access since 2011" is still able to log into company accounts after two to four ownership changes?

Believe that?

And the entire brain trust behind the acquisition of Bitcoinica, in whatever uber venture capitalist/hostile takeover/white hat rescue ranger configuration they used pulled off stealing the company away from the minor that was running it on the basis of their vastly superior security protocols and ability to prevent the very technique used to allegedly steal from them 6 months after they announced their brilliant level of talent to change the entire Bitcoinica world.

Believe that?

And somehow there is a master hacker who can correctly guess an API key password to one single account within 5 tries, steals thousands of dollars in both bitcoin AND US dollars, that he is able to mask from the block chain, AND doesn't have the common sense to change the password or leave a back door so he can come back and clean out the rest of their account?

Believe that?

And that this wunder-kind hackzor, who can defeat lengthy random digit passwords, only chooses to violate one single account after successfully entering Mt. Gox? And doesn't touch a single dime other than the funds ear-marked for restitution to the folks fleeced by Zhou and his magic pyramid machine?

Believe that?

Why do we have cancer, hunger, losing football teams, sub-Saharan droughts and famine when there is pure genius like that on this planet? Seriously now, this amazing hacker would be able to solve pretty much any crisis or need just by blinking and twitching his nose they would have us believe.

Or we can call nonsense when we see it. You insult us by throwing pout the same bullshit story. You stole the money.

With you.

Why do many stores ask to see their customers receipts before leaving the store?  So they can check their employees things because businesses lose more money to employee theft than customers.
693  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Payment Not Delivered by "R-" for Work Rendered on: July 24, 2012, 02:33:04 AM
I bought 8 BTC for PPUSD from R- two months ago, and he still hasn't sent me the coins. I can't dispute it via paypal because I marked it "as a gift." He keeps telling me that he's "just transferring the money now..." but never seems to be able to do it. Pretty much the same story as the OP, he just keeps stringing me along.

I haven't mentioned it until now because I was believing him, and not thinking I got scammed, but now I'm depressed after reading the OP Sad and guessing that I probably won't get my money back.

I think it's time for a scammer tag for R-

2 months?!?!

But you can reverse the charges.  If it was funded by a bank account then it is reversible.  Although the amount of time you waited might make it hard to reverse.

I tried to, but paypal wouldn't let me because it was marked as a gift. I funded my PP with a credit card though, not sure if this makes a difference.

Great, a credit card is even easier.  Just call your credit card company and tell them to reverse the charges.  R- has perpetrated fraud and you can reverse charges in the case of fraud.  Don't bother with contacting Paypal as they don't want to reverse charges.
694  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Payment Not Delivered by "R-" for Work Rendered on: July 24, 2012, 02:21:41 AM
I bought 8 BTC for PPUSD from R- two months ago, and he still hasn't sent me the coins. I can't dispute it via paypal because I marked it "as a gift." He keeps telling me that he's "just transferring the money now..." but never seems to be able to do it. Pretty much the same story as the OP, he just keeps stringing me along.

I haven't mentioned it until now because I was believing him, and not thinking I got scammed, but now I'm depressed after reading the OP Sad and guessing that I probably won't get my money back.

I think it's time for a scammer tag for R-

2 months?!?!

But you can reverse the charges.  If it was funded by a bank account then it is reversible.  Although the amount of time you waited might make it hard to reverse.
695  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 24, 2012, 01:28:37 AM
I just tried the LastPass account. I didn't expect to be able to log in, but I was able to using the original credentials!

you resigned from the company yet continue to access company accounts?


 Lips sealed



A clue?
696  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Payment Not Delivered by "R-" for Work Rendered on: July 24, 2012, 01:07:48 AM
As I am sure you know this is very common with this business.  None designers think they can ask for revision after revision.  I am anti spec work and require payment up front or some kind of escrow before I accept a job.  Get what they want in writing to show to the escrow in case there is a dispute.  I really like vworker for this when dealing with new clients.

You should add the client to the shit list
697  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Guns on: July 23, 2012, 06:28:24 AM
Oops. I'll take credit for that fuck-up. I should have been clearer that the following portion is what I wanted you to address, not the first part. The first part is done. .698 correlation, when you include all gun deaths, whether accidental, suicide, or as a result of violence (both in defense and as a result of attack, no less!), is simply not strong enough to show that restricting guns will reduce gun violence. Too much noise in the data, coming from all of those other deaths.

Address this, please:
Tell you what: you find me data about gun crime, and I'll make another graph. If that one shows even this level of correlation, I'll eat my hat, switch positions, and start crying gun control from the rooftops. But I bet you can't.

Oh! and while I was looking up info on that data, I found this lovely little nugget:
Quote
"I am generally skeptical of gun laws," says Eugene Volokh, a law professor at UCLA. "The theory is that gun laws may prevent crimes of passion—domestic crimes, altercations over traffic incidents, or committed by someone who is otherwise law-abiding but has an anger problem… gun-control laws can potentially do something, but the kind of crime by which they can do the least is a mass shooting."

That's from the very same article those data come from.

(as per the wikipedia article, which states that anything above 0.5 is strong),

Wow, only economics and other soft sciences would be happy to call anything above 0.5 a strong correlation.  I would have a lot of publications if this was the case for real science.

Even if there was a 'strong correlation' based on some scale, it would still require some other kind of hypothesis testing.  Even if a significant correlation could be detected that does not mean guns cause crime/deaths/whatever.  It could also mean:

1. People in areas with less gun deaths are less likely to have guns.
2. Other factor may lead to more gun deaths
3. It could just be a coincident.

As a personal note.  I feel safer with my gun(s).  I know if guns were illegal I would not be able to carry mine around and if someone came at me with a knife, either during mass killing or a robber, then I would probably die.

I would much rather see some simulations on the ability of 1000 average people to defend themselves from a knife attack with their own knife or a gun.  Then do the same simulations with a gun versus knife, and knife versus gun.  Then permutate some t-tests and tell me what is more likely to keep me alive in that situation.
698  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Payment Not Delivered by "R-" for Work Rendered on: July 23, 2012, 06:07:23 AM
A while back R- agreed to pay me between 33-53 bitcoin for creating an info graphic, (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78931.0).

I've been paid 4 btc of the 40 he's agreed to pay me via pm so far, (https://blockchain.info/address/15XUdj8CdWTNQjq4g3y5JhbGpiAFrHqQyj), however I have yet to receive the remaining 36 bitcoin.

R claims that the remainder of the money is stuck in Intersango, I have not yet received the agreed payment.

With long delays between excuses, and vague feedback, confusing criticism it's taken a roughly eight hours of work and nearly two months with the constant revisions to complete the project.

Although R is claiming to be unable to retrieve his Bitcoins in order to pay for what he agreed to, he is still clearly looking to spend those nonexistant Bitcoins.
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82719.msg1031622#msg1031622)

This wasn't spec work was it?
699  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BDK] Loans (starting @ 5.5% MPR), CDs (Unavailable), Bonds (1%/wk) on: July 23, 2012, 04:37:51 AM
I am still surprised that GLBSE does not have a session expiration.  That nap the scum had would have been prevented if the sessions expired after a period of inactivity.
700  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BDK] Loans (starting @ 5.5% MPR), CDs (Unavailable), Bonds (1%/wk) on: July 22, 2012, 10:35:54 PM
You should also set up 2-factor auth for your gmail account.
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