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681  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 05:55:44 PM
Sana is agreeing with non-natural personhood for corporations insofar as he agrees that corporations should be able to act as liability-shields for natural persons, but he doesn't agree with constitutional rights being given to corporations. You are wrong, completely wrong, to suggest that he agrees with the Hobby Lobby decision. We can fact-check you if you'd like, by simply asking Sana if he agrees with the Hobby Lobby decision
You still have not read the decision have you?

Direct quote from the opinion:

"RFRA applies to “a person’s” exercise of religion, 42 U. S. C. §§2000bb–1(a), (b), and RFRA itself does not define the term “person.” We therefore look to the Dictionary Act, which we must consult “n determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise.” 1 U. S. C. §1.

Under the Dictionary Act, “the wor[d] ‘person’ . . . include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals.” Ibid."
682  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin public auction and marketplace. on: July 16, 2014, 05:54:46 PM
Good to see some one making a auction / marketplace for bitcoin since bitmit have went down due to some laws or something .

They went done cause they got hacked, Still everyone is doing an auction site, cryptothrift done one
683  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 05:38:49 PM
Taxing existing larger banks is not going to solve the problem of capital requirements for smaller banks, nor is it going to solve the interest rate problem for savers and borrowers. In fact, it would have the reverse effect--higher taxes will mean less profits for banks, so they will lower the interest rates they pay and increase the interest rates they charge.
As compared to the trillions in wealth lost during the financial crisis of 2008?

I think people would rather pay a few pennies more in bank fees, than to continue with banks allowing their reserves to get so low that they continually risk being unable to fulfill withdrawal requests if defaults spike --- especially when such risk means we can end up with banks failing and 8 million people losing their jobs and for millions to lose their homes, and for every worker in the country having to adjust to a severely depressed economy with lower wages and reduced standards of living.
You do realize that you just agreed with the Hobby Lobby decision, right? You just pointed out the efficacy of the exact law that Hobby Lobby was decided under.
684  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 05:30:53 PM
Taxing existing larger banks is not going to solve the problem of capital requirements for smaller banks, nor is it going to solve the interest rate problem for savers and borrowers. In fact, it would have the reverse effect--higher taxes will mean less profits for banks, so they will lower the interest rates they pay and increase the interest rates they charge.
685  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 05:22:58 PM
.... such abilities would not be eliminated because corporations would retain those powers through EXACTLY THE AUTHORIZATION WHICH ALREADY EXIST.

For example:
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatD...10&DocType=ARS


As stated before:
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Corporations are legal fictions, and are subject to whatever legalities that legislators want to come up for them.
You are conflating a corporation's state law charter with the question of whether it has federal constitutional rights. That Arizona law, or any state law for that matter, would not give a corporation federal due process rights or protect it from abrogation of its contracts by the federal government.
So what?
So you would vastly increase the cost of bureaucracy and you likely would still get lesser qualified candidates even with the higher salary because workers desire lateral mobility.
What do you do for a living?
686  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 05:18:09 PM
.... such abilities would not be eliminated because corporations would retain those powers through EXACTLY THE AUTHORIZATION WHICH ALREADY EXIST.

For example:
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatD...10&DocType=ARS


As stated before:
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Corporations are legal fictions, and are subject to whatever legalities that legislators want to come up for them.
You are conflating a corporation's state law charter with the question of whether it has federal constitutional rights. That Arizona law, or any state law for that matter, would not give a corporation federal due process rights or protect it from abrogation of its contracts by the federal government.
687  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 05:10:47 PM
and
Amend Constitution to explicitly ban corporations and other liability-shielding business structures from being considered to have Constittuional rights

Allow government regulators a stipend and a job in human resources and ban them from taking any private sector job that is not far removed from any business sectors that they regulated in their government position for a period of 4 years.

Amend the Constitution to set a lower limit on the reserve ratio of private banks to 40%.
The effects of your first suggestion would be disastrous and as others have pointed out would eliminate freedom of the press for newspapers. It would also eliminate due process, contract rights, etc. It's simply a pie-in-the-sky idea that would never work.

Your second idea is perhaps worse. Government already has a terrible time attracting and retaining professionals because of lower pay and opportunity. Right now the main incentive to go into public service is the experience. Your proposal devalues the experience completely. Who in the right mind would work for the government under your proposal?

Your last proposal will lower already minuscule interest rates for savers and will make loans more expensive. And ignores the real problem: the Fed's balance sheet.
It doesn't eliminate any of those things. Who would? The right kind of people -- which is the entire point. duh.Trouble attracting workers? Raise the pay until you attract workers.
OH MY GOD -- that was hard. It would do none of those things.

And only tinfoil loons who know shit about banking think "the real problem" is the Fed's holdings.
First, please explain how contract rights, due process, etc. would not be eliminated by a constitutional amendment "to explicitly ban corporations and other liability-shielding business structures from being considered to have Constittuional [sic] rights."

Second, what you are arguing for is similar to a non-compete. Look at some of the economic research on the cost of non-compete clauses--I think you will find that they result in massive wage premiums of 100 to 400%.

Third, increasing capital requirements for private banks will have (and is already having) a major negative unintended consequence: further bank consolidation and concentration of capital. And, the larger capital requirements, makes it harder for new entrants, further entrenching existing interests.
688  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way! on: July 16, 2014, 03:37:58 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)

I will shoot a drone over my property in a heartbeat "IF" I see it, and it is within range.
....and I have no doubt umair you would shoot some poor man knocking on your door asking for a glass of water! lol
Not unless he had killed our outdoor dogs, and "IF" he had NOT, we would know he was coming before he arrived. I have never shot at a plane flying over my property, however, an uninvited drone is burned toast.
689  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 03:14:13 PM
Yes, sana, I am amongst the center. I lean left, but I am, overall, a moderate. In fact, Alaska, this issue is one of those that PROVES I'm part of the middle. I don't support bans on civilian ownership of guns. I DO support gun ownership, and even concealed carry. I just support reasonable regulation on both. What regulation of guns do YOU support?
I suggest that maybe you've isolated yourself among like minded people for so long that you may have lost track of what 'normal' is. See, that's where the problem begins because in my experience, people who have to say they support 'reasonable' regulation generally support nothing of the kind.  "Reasonable" becomes indicative of anything but reasonable. Oh, well that's easy.  Have you been convicted of a violent crime of any sort?  No gun for you, for 10 years. (back ground check by state governments).  Have you used a gun to commit a crime?  (aggravating factor at sentencing).  Are you under the care of a psychiatrist/psychologist?  A word from them to the local police... no guns for you.
Are you a convicted felon?   No gun for you.   Sorry, zolace.
A felony isn't necessarily a 'violent crime'.
It still precludes you getting a permit to carry a gun in MOST cases, 'violent' crime or not.

http://www.gunlawsbystate.com/felons-and-firearms/
Which is a good example of why folks like me think of governments as ham fisted and distrust them.
And yet you're a government worker, an enforcer.   This is a problem, sana.  Cognitive disconnect.
690  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 03:05:02 PM
Yes, sana, I am amongst the center. I lean left, but I am, overall, a moderate. In fact, Alaska, this issue is one of those that PROVES I'm part of the middle. I don't support bans on civilian ownership of guns. I DO support gun ownership, and even concealed carry. I just support reasonable regulation on both. What regulation of guns do YOU support?
I suggest that maybe you've isolated yourself among like minded people for so long that you may have lost track of what 'normal' is. See, that's where the problem begins because in my experience, people who have to say they support 'reasonable' regulation generally support nothing of the kind.  "Reasonable" becomes indicative of anything but reasonable. Oh, well that's easy.  Have you been convicted of a violent crime of any sort?  No gun for you, for 10 years. (back ground check by state governments).  Have you used a gun to commit a crime?  (aggravating factor at sentencing).  Are you under the care of a psychiatrist/psychologist?  A word from them to the local police... no guns for you.
Are you a convicted felon?   No gun for you.   Sorry, zolace.
A felony isn't necessarily a 'violent crime'.
It still precludes you getting a permit to carry a gun in MOST cases, 'violent' crime or not.

http://www.gunlawsbystate.com/felons-and-firearms/
691  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 02:59:05 PM
Yes, sana, I am amongst the center. I lean left, but I am, overall, a moderate. In fact, Alaska, this issue is one of those that PROVES I'm part of the middle. I don't support bans on civilian ownership of guns. I DO support gun ownership, and even concealed carry. I just support reasonable regulation on both. What regulation of guns do YOU support?
I suggest that maybe you've isolated yourself among like minded people for so long that you may have lost track of what 'normal' is. See, that's where the problem begins because in my experience, people who have to say they support 'reasonable' regulation generally support nothing of the kind.  "Reasonable" becomes indicative of anything but reasonable. Oh, well that's easy.  Have you been convicted of a violent crime of any sort?  No gun for you, for 10 years. (back ground check by state governments).  Have you used a gun to commit a crime?  (aggravating factor at sentencing).  Are you under the care of a psychiatrist/psychologist?  A word from them to the local police... no guns for you.
Are you a convicted felon?   No gun for you.   Sorry, zolace.
692  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 02:58:29 PM
I'll give up my guns when the government and bad guys give up theirs.

I've got a .22, .40, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, and a 12 gauge.
lol ,never
693  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way! on: July 16, 2014, 02:38:00 PM
I'm waiting for the time when some drone will get my pizza in time while still being hot. Smiley
People should also think on the positive ways these things can be used.

PS.
Of course i'll be paying with btc for that pizza Smiley.
i already pay btc for my pizza, but only in restaurant ,but having your pizza being delivered by drones...that i would love to see, plus no more tips......
694  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way! on: July 16, 2014, 02:26:44 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)

I will shoot a drone over my property in a heartbeat "IF" I see it, and it is within range.
695  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 01:58:26 PM
Registration of ALL guns would do that; but then, it would also let the government know what guns you have, and with your delusional paranoia, you think that the government would then come for your guns and you would be defenseless.  Even though it would stop criminals from obtaining guns, because the undocumented flow would cease, your fear of your own government prevents you from advocating it.  Is this not the truth?
696  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 01:49:15 PM
Just a thought...

Do any of you with American Enemy Obama bumper stickers on your cars expect Americans, those of us with Emergency Medical Training to actually stop at any car wreck in which you may be involved?

Just curious!
You'd let em bleed to death just because they're political opponents,umair? I think you've been hitting the Palin juice a little too hard this early.
Yes, I would. More importantly, if I came upon a car wreck that YOU were involved in, I WOULD stop and render aid. It's what decent, civilized people do. Are you suggesting that you would not?
697  Other / Politics & Society / Drones can 'get you' in more than one way! on: July 16, 2014, 12:41:43 PM
Private eyes using drones to catch cheating spouses

Investigators are taking drones to new heights — using the remote-controlled aircraft to catch New Yorkers cheating on spouses, lying about disabilities and endangering their kids.

“People want you to believe there’s all this negativity associated with drones . . . but they could be a very helpful tool,” said Olwyn Triggs, a gumshoe for 23 years and president of Professional Investigators Network Inc. in Glen Cove, LI. Triggs recently used a drone to find an upstate man suspected of insurance fraud. Signs on his rural property warned that trespassers would be shot, so she sent in her 2-pound, foot-long Phantom 2 Vision quadcopter, which costs about $1,000. “He was supposedly fully disabled,” she said. “We knew he was active but couldn’t prove it because of the layout of the property. I couldn’t risk being shot.” So, as a drone hovered above, snapping images of the man chopping wood, Triggs manned the controls from behind a vehicle about 1,000 feet away.

PIs are also using drones to catch cheating spouses. Matthew Seifer recently pretended to test-fly a drone in Central Park. He was actually recording a husband fooling around with a female coworker from 100 feet away. “Sometimes the best thing is to be right there in plain sight,” said Seifer, president of Long Island- based Executive Investigations.“We had to get in and get out real quick,” he added. “We deployed a drone for eight minutes and got five minutes’ worth of video. That was the closure our client was looking for.”

In another recent case, Seifer was having trouble tailing a fast-driving Long Island doctor suspected of hanky-panky. So the PI parked behind a steakhouse where the doc had taken a lover. “We raised the drone above the restaurant, [and] he was engaged in a sexual act in the front seat of his car,” the investigator said.

“Clients are amazed,” Seifer said. “The drones are a game changer.”

http://nypost.com/2014/07/13/private-eyes-using-drones-to-nab-scammers-cheating-spouses/

Insect drones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cJv4O2zEOw

 If you're up to some hanky-panky better keep your eyes on the sky. I suspect its harder to get away with anything these days what with all the cameras and drones flying around looking for evidence or just spying for the hell of it. I recently saw a video [see link] about the military creating insect drones. They are hard to differentiate from the real insect. No doubt in the future these miniature drones will be of considerable use for the military and police but the threat of the government using them to illegally spy on citizens will be present as well. Is all this a good idea or should laws exist to control the uses of these things? Once the cat is out of the bag its hard getting it back in. What do you think?
698  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor on: July 15, 2014, 07:31:05 PM
The do-nothing Congress, most especially the House, is all about 24/7/365 obstruction and never has had any plans in the last six years to do anything but obstruct.  Oh, and have their heads explode when Obama issues executive orders, less executive orders than his predecessor.  They don't care to do anything until they can criticize what someone else did.  How they collect a paycheck for their complete abdication of their responsibilities, I'll never know.
The goal of everyone in the party whose ideology differs from that of the party in power is to insure that the empowered ideology does not advance same. 

Please, save us the less executive order bullcrap---the orders are vastly different in flavor and intent, and you are bright enough to know this.  Why you waste your talents protecting a sack of crap who'd watch you die without a flicker of emotion is amazing to me.

Want to talk about complete abdication of responsibility?  Let's talk about Mr. Blame Bush first.  The guy who is SO disrespected by those he appointed that they don't even bother to inform him when they run guns or target the IRS.
699  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Pirate Bay - Two of it's founders are now in prison on: July 15, 2014, 07:15:48 PM
Wow what a waste of time, instead of thinking of ways to innovate the movie industry with the internet they wanna put peoples in jail.  If I can pay to watch movies from my home I would.  I dont care for movie theaters anymore when I have big screen TV at home.
700  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No president escapes the American sense of humor on: July 15, 2014, 06:32:35 PM
So we can't tell the same political joke that has been told many times with other men/women/party substitutions, but straight up calling a conservative woman a pig is fine.
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