There are legit ones like Hashflare and Genesis mining but they arent profitable even on longer contracts.
I woudn't consider Hashflare as a legit cloudminer. They did some shady shit like reducing lifetime contracts to 1 year, setting ridiculous withdrawal limits and offering no transparency at all. I've asked them about their electricity price but didn't receive an answer how much it is, only that they "can't disclose it"  So we don't know how much they are making as own profits... In addition, they are accused to do fractional reserve mining or at least they never presented a proof that their contracts are fully backed by hashpower. And yes, Genesis is a legit company and AFAIK also Hashnest and BitDeer (I've never used them and won't do it, so I can't say for sure). I don't know anything about Honestminning but most likely the name Dishonestmining fits better.  |
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This is reasons why I suggest to restrict at Full member rank or Senior member rank and above. I don't think good users will have to spend two years to become Full members. 6 months or one year is long enough to see quality of those users from their posts, threads, and merit history. I don't think such restrictions will trigger account sales just to become DT members or to abuse trust system. They can buy accounts, but they can not buy merits (significant amounts) without side-effects on bought-accounts. In Default Trust change, theymos wrote: - You must have at least 2 people directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 250
It means earned merits, not airdropped merits, so buying accounts with airdropped merits is pointless. Yes, but that won't affect the new rule (requirement: Account has to be Legendary to get on DT1). It's not required that someone's account which he wants to place in DT1 has to have earned Merits. The only thing you need is to have 2 other users with 250 earned Merit (as it was before) trusting the bought Legendary account (before: no special rank required). |
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- You must be of Legendary rank.
Rationality: How much time someone has spent on BitcoinTalk, which is signified by Rank, will also have a value along with his/her quality of post, which is signified by Merit.
IMO, to be added in Trust list of others, users should have either trustworthy or contributions over their time in the forum. There are some components that build up trustworthy and reputation of one user: - Contributions: Good post history is a plus point; good threads is another plus point, and merit history with regularly received merits is another significant plus point. - Trustworthy: Through tradings with others, through scam fightings (scam accusation threads or posts). Actually, being added to a trust list means that your given trust feedback to other users is accurate and valuable for the community much more than being actually a trustworthy user. It's quite possible to be on DT while you haven't done a single trade but exposed tons of scams instead and the left feedback by you is valuable for other users to prevent them from being scammed. About the suggestion: it's an interesting idea to take the rank into consideration but I'm not sure if it helps. I can see 2 disadvantages by doing so: - New users registering after Merit introduction will have a disadvantage compared to users ranked up before (possibly with low effort posts). Theymos is known for disliking too much restrictions for new users and obtaining a Legendary rank would take almost 2 years. - Such a change could encourage account sales of high-ranked accounts when scammers are trying to abuse trust. |
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So actually it's not banned in Germany, they "only" need a license from BaFin and BitPay shut down in advance because the requirements in 2020 are not clear yet.
If Germany is a profitable country for them, they will obtain that license, but BitPay might just as well choose to not invest time and money in it if there isn't much to gain. In that case other payment gateways will take over its spot and provide a fairer service to merchants without the disgusting anti Bitcoin politics. Perhaps it's going to boost BTCPay server, who knows.  Coingate for example is still active in Germany. It's going to be interesting to see what their course of action is going to be. I hope they will treat this as an opportunity to fill BitPay's gap if they exit entirely. Yeah, that's also the newspaper's guess: if Germany was profitable for them they would have offered their service until 12/2019 instead of shutting down immediately.  I hope Germany will be attractive for other services but here are some strange people sometimes. Same goes for Bitcoin ATMs in Germany. Compared to Switzerland ( 70 ATMs according to coinatmradar) and Austria ( 251 ATMs according to coinatmradar) Germany is far behind ( 30 ATMs according to coinatmradar) while the population is much higher in Germany (80M) than in Austria (9M) or Switzerland (8.5M). It's not only because the regulations are unclear, it's also because greedy idiots are playing their games. We have a new wannabe crybaby company in Germany and they are trying to shut down competitors Bitcoin ATMs by sending their lawyers to the regulators (BaFin) to shut them down and place their own ones in the future instead. They are not only using mafia style to get an advantage against competitors they are also straight lying and claiming that all ATMs without KYC are illegal (even amounts of a few € without KYC would be illegal according to them (which is not, it's legal to have crypto ATMs without KYC at least for defined limits)). So in fact, they are not only pushing their own agenda with shady strategies, they are also shutting down all ATMs without KYC and trying to place their ones with KYC even for low amounts. More about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/cw998o/today_i_learnt_that_german_startup_company_spot9s/They are also planning to found a crypto bank in Germany (they haven't any clue about Bitcoin at all). Such people are only obstructive for BTC adoption and need a boycott by the community... |
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Achtung, Achtung! Die Denunzianten sind mal wieder aktiv: There are new people participating in the livecoin.net campaign, supporting the scam: Additionally the following scam supporter havn't been added to the list yet: (geht darum, dass der Denunziant fordert, diese Nutzer auf die Blackliste zu setzen)
Dafür sollte man sich aber wohl zumindest für eine Sportart interessieren, wenn man keines der Online-Casino´s, Dicegames und so nutzt.
Ja, wüsste garnicht, was ich bei den Dice-Games schreiben sollte. Finde es echt schade, dass es nur noch Gambling-Signaturen gibt. Glaube die Manager fragen da gezielt bei Gambling-Anbietern nach, anders kann ich mir das kaum vorstellen... Gibt es denn Neuigkeiten von den anderen Anbietern, die bald eine eigene Kampagne bingen wollten @layer1gfx? Ne andere Möglichkeit wäre es noch, vielleicht Devs von bestehenden Shitcoins anzuschreiben, ob sie hier eine Signaturkampagne veranstalten wollen, wie das auch IoTeX gemacht hatte. |
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Hier im Forum denkt man fast alles sind reiche Leute die zig Tausend in Crypto gemacht haben...Bounty Millionäre usw.  aber man bekommt nicht mal 25 Euro für ein Tippspiel rausgekitzelt. Schon komisch finde ich das.  Guter Punkt. Hier im Forum sind bestimmt einige, die hunderte (wenn nicht sogar tausende) Bitcoins haben. Irgendwo müssen die knapp 18 Millionen BTC ja sein. Klar, die meisten aus der Anfangsphase haben es mittlerweile nicht mehr nötig, hier aktiv zu sein aber ich glaube, dass einige schon hin und wieder ins Forum schauen. Wäre aber auf jeden Fall sehr wünschenswert, wenn für so Gewinnspiele mehr zusammenkommen würde und die Leute, die so viel Bitcoin haben, dass sie garnicht alles ausgeben können, ihren Wohlstand ein wenig mit uns teilen würden.  Und zu den Bounty-Millionären: wahrscheinlich nur die wenigsten haben ihre Bounty-Shitcoins damals direkt in Fiat getauscht, mittlerweile sind die nur noch einen Bruchteil von damals wert. ^^ |
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Ja, Mole/1miau/yesiam/Bitze - whats up?! =)
Am Wochenende sollte ich auf jeden Fall dafür Zeit finden, bin also dabei. Kannst aber in jedem Fall schonmal die Bitcoin-Adresse posten, an die wir die 0,002 BTC senden sollen, dann schicke ich dir das gleich mit. |
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Interesting article and although I haven't read it completely I would advise everyone to read that article who's interested to invest in Minter. If it's true that they had past projects and are moving on now to collect more money and do the same thing again that would be a strong scam indicator... For everyone: I've translated the conclusion but for more details it's recommended to read the article completely: Conclusion
The idea may seem very interesting, it would seem: here it is, a blockchain for housewives - but not everything is so smooth. The intermediary in the form of a BIP wallet will create difficulties in the form of additional actions for both customers and sellers who will have to advertise a BIP wallet, and in case of unforeseen problems, install and configure it for customers on the phone. And each time the seller will check with customers the availability of the wallet and the address for sending coins. It’s easier for people to use cashback cards.
In IT projects, there will not be such difficulties because of the automation of the process, but it is more profitable for founders to create non-convertible wrappers than to invest their money in BIP to create a coin whose price will depend on another token. There is no obvious demand for users, only the creation of a bicycle.
Investors have no guarantees that there is no backdoor in the BIP token smart contract. The team talks a lot about its transparency, but does not show the main thing - the smart contract code, which can be full of errors and backdoors, as is the case with the hacking of the Bancor exchange .
And finally, let's name the eleven red flags of the Minter project:
- The far-fetched nature of the problems solved by the product.
- Lack of UTP before direct competitors - ETH and EOS.
- Strong centralization of the platform and token sale.
- There are no smart contracts, they hope for a non-public product TON.
- Unprofessional behavior of the founder with investors.
- The founder, not fulfilling past promises, gives new ones.
- Too few programmers for a product of this size.
- Lack of team responsibility to investors.
- Lack of information on risks taken by investors.
- A few signs of securities are the “Utility” token.
- Investors are not investors, but buyers of a non-working product. Source: https://medium.com/golden-borodutch/%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80-ico-minter-dd708bab5db6Via Google Translate
LOL, more information regarding DeCenter (their official website is down): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1753791.0 (ANN) decenter.me is a reboot of the Larawith.me Telegram Scam. warning by tmfp Can someone confirm that the devs of DeCenter are also involved in Minter? I don't speak russian to confirm all the sources... Source: https://medium.com/golden-borodutch/%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80-ico-minter-dd708bab5db6Via Google Translate |
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Ich hätte nichts dagegen, irgendwann mal den einen oder anderen Trust zu erhalten, daher biete ich mich mal als Escrow an. Da gehört ja m.W.n. nicht mehr dazu als Ehrlichkeit und die Fähigkeit einen Betrag vom Wallet an ein anderes Wallet zu schicken?! Würde dir auch als Escrow vertrauen, falls du es machen möchtest und efialtis die Verantwortung abgeben möchte. Und ja, als Escrow ist es deine Aufgabe, das wertvolle BTC sicher aufzubewahren und dann an den Gewinner zu senden. Aber wenn du das Bitcoin verlierst, kann es negativen Trust geben.  Das Bitcoin kann nicht verloren gehen (im schlimmsten Falle könnte es ungewollt den Besitzer wechseln) Das Bitcoin kann schon verloren gehen und zwar, wenn man unachtsam vorgeht: - Wenn man den Zugang zu seiner Wallet verliert und keine Möglichkeit mehr hat, sie wiederherzustellen. Dann wurde das BTC versenkt. - Wenn du die Adresse nicht korrekt angibst, auf die wir das BTC senden würden bzw. beim Senden des BTC aus der Escrow die Adresse falsch eingibst. Selbst bei Tippfehlern wäre es durch die Checksumme zwar sehr unwahrscheinlich aber prinzipiell möglich. Ich verfolge da eher den physikalischen Ansatz, dass nichts verloren gehen kann. Die BTC wären auch in den beiden o.g. Fällen nicht verloren, nur nicht mehr nutzbar Ja, da hast du natürlich Recht, sie verschwinden ja nicht. Können wir uns darauf einigen, das durch solche Vorgehensweisen / Versehen unbrauchbar gemachte BTC als "versenkt" zu bezeichnen? Und hier gibt es noch mehr Möglichkeiten, wie man seine Bitcoins verlieren / versenken / vernichten / gehackt bekommen kann oder sonstwie los wird: Einführung in die Kunst, einen Bitcoin zu vernichten Bitte nicht nachmachen. ^^ |
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Die Liste von theymos entspricht nur den Kriterien um DT1 gewählt zu werden.
Sprich Aktivität, Trust list mit usern mit mehr als X und Y Merit usw.
Ob du dann tatsächlich dt1 bist wegen trust/distrust ist ne ganz andere Geschichte.
Ah stimmt, das macht Sinn. Dachte eigentlich, das wären insgesamt mehr Nutzer, die durch Distrust nicht in DT1 kommen und die Liste daher weit länger als 100 Accounts aber das ist echt so, habe eben mal nachgesehen. Nutzer wie Matthias9515 oder TECSHARE, die ziemlich distrustet wurden, sind auch in der Liste. |
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Exactly, next year (2020) all crypto-to-fiat services (like exchanges or payment services etc.) will need to get an official license from BaFin (German SEC) to operate in a legal way. If they have a license, it's fine and they can operate. But the main question is if all crypto services will apply for a license? I don't know if there are any limits that you don't need a license if the company isn't big and doesn't handle much money. Germany is often taking the special way, process is slow and generally that's not very positive. It's understandable that BitPay doesn't want trouble due to unclear regulation and shut down their service in Germany until things are clear. The German parliament will decide soon TM how exactly such a license will look like... So it's probably only temporary? (Unless ofcourse they get denied a license.) Seems like a weird thing to do really, i mean why stop operating if they don't require any sort of license yet, but IANAL.
I hope so. If BitPay applies for a license they should be allowed to get back into business. So actually it's not banned in Germany, they "only" need a license from BaFin and BitPay shut down in advance because the requirements in 2020 are not clear yet. |
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Verstehe ich auch nicht so ganz, warum du in der aktualisierten Liste von Theymos bist. In der alten Liste vom August bist du ja auch drin, warst aber kein DT1. Prinzipiell wärst du ein Kandidat für DT1 aber dich haben mehr Nutzer distrustet als getrustet, daher ist das DT in der Liste von loyce.club durchgestrichen, also warst/bist du weder im August noch im September DT1. 31.08. ist auch noch der alte Stand vom letzten Monat, vielleicht ist es im September jetzt anders. |
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Ich hätte nichts dagegen, irgendwann mal den einen oder anderen Trust zu erhalten, daher biete ich mich mal als Escrow an. Da gehört ja m.W.n. nicht mehr dazu als Ehrlichkeit und die Fähigkeit einen Betrag vom Wallet an ein anderes Wallet zu schicken?! Würde dir auch als Escrow vertrauen, falls du es machen möchtest und efialtis die Verantwortung abgeben möchte. Und ja, als Escrow ist es deine Aufgabe, das wertvolle BTC sicher aufzubewahren und dann an den Gewinner zu senden. Aber wenn du das Bitcoin verlierst, kann es negativen Trust geben. Das Bitcoin kann nicht verloren gehen (im schlimmsten Falle könnte es ungewollt den Besitzer wechseln) Das Bitcoin kann schon verloren gehen und zwar, wenn man unachtsam vorgeht: - Wenn man den Zugang zu seiner Wallet verliert und keine Möglichkeit mehr hat, sie wiederherzustellen. Dann wurde das BTC versenkt. - Wenn du die Adresse nicht korrekt angibst, auf die wir das BTC senden würden bzw. beim Senden des BTC aus der Escrow die Adresse falsch eingibst. Selbst bei Tippfehlern wäre es durch die Checksumme zwar sehr unwahrscheinlich aber prinzipiell möglich. Aber danke für deine warmen Worte und dein (theoretisches) Vertrauen |
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I have participated in the Minter airdrop campaign at the very beginning of their startup. Approximately a year ago. That time they have been giving 1100 BIP for registration and KYC. I got it in my wallet. Now it equals for around 120$. So, looks like normal guys, don't them? BIP is already at the exchange platform: https://bip.dev/Ok, did they launch it here on Bitcointalk or do they have an official profile here / Bitcointalk ANN? Looks like it's a legit project but I'm a bit confused why are they using cartoons on their website? On ICOBench and ICOHolder they are using real pictures... Up to my view, no matter they using cartoons, it is just visuals. They are all real ppl, attend events, have office you can meet them face to face if you really wish Well, their website is most likely the first place where potential investors are starting their research and I've no explanation why they don't use real pictures on that most important place especially because they are using real pictures on other sites. I think you're right that it's not a scam, so to get back to the question "Just a normal Shitcoin or a Scamcoin?" I would say "Just a Shitcoin" for now. if these are the real people behind Minter, then why in the world they are using anime or cartoons people might think this is a big joke, if you are doing crowdfunding, then it's just proper that you show up your real face and their expertise, it will be ok if they are not asking for KYC or Crowdfunding, they can prefer to not show their face.
Yes, exactly that. Everyone knows about the high number of scammers in ICO business. The first thing I would do as ICO company is bringing clarification about the team. When people see cartoons, they will considering it as shady immediately, stopping research and moving on. |
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I'm a little bit surprised about the small number of posts in local boards. I'm active on the German local board and I've the impression that there are much more posts per day. I would do a broader range but I have thought to do something else. I will take another 3 days data for 3 more times in the coming weeks, different days from this time. With this combination, I will update this thread to get a conclusion.
Looking forward to it. Would it also be possible to make up to 7 days (one week) to get an impression of the difference between Monday-Friday and Saturday + Sunday and add the number of post per day? Like that: | | 28.08.19 | 28.08.19 | 29.08.19 | 29.08.19 | 31.08.19 | 31.08.19 | Daily Average | | Arabic | 32314 | xx (posts per day) | 32338 | xx | 32366 | xx | 13 | | Indonesian | 1041791 | xx | 10414871 | xx | 1042000 | xx | 52.25 |
I know it's very time consuming but the community would appreciate it for sure. And I will share it on the German board. |
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Erstmeldung vom 29. August, 13.00 Uhr: Hamburg - Eigentlich war alles wie immer: Die Schweinwerfer im Tagesschau-Studio verdunkeln sich, der Nachrichtensprecher verabschiedet sich und ist dann noch kurz in der verdunkelten Kulisse zu sehen. Offenbar steht ein Schichtwechsel an, eine dunkle Gestalt betritt von links die Szene. Schweinwerfer. Die armen Schweine! Ob man's glaubt oder nicht, Sch weinwerfer gibt es tatsächlich, und sie werden für die Wildschweinjagd eingesetzt. Die armen Wildschweine! schweinwerfer.atHaha, man lernt wirklich nie aus. Kann mir aber kaum vorstellen, dass sie dort im Studio Wildschweine jagen. https://www.welt.de/kultur/medien/article199380582/Panne-bei-Tagesschau-Jan-Hofer-reagiert-auf-Bitcoin-Affaere.htmlAm Donnerstag reagierte der NDR, der die „Tagesschau“ produziert. „Es handelte sich um eine Panne. Dies war ein privates, nicht ernst gemeintes Gespräch, das wir nicht kommentieren“, sagte eine Sprecherin. Hofer selbst reagierte noch am Donnerstag auf die Medienberichte, und zwar über seinen Twitter-Account: „Zur Bitcoin-Affäre. Schon interessant, wenn sich seriöse Nachrichtenblätter mit einer kollegialen Frotzelei beschäftigen: Ich kann alle beruhigen: Ich besitze weder Bitcoins, noch weiß ich, wo man die herbekommt.“ ja, nee - ist klar  Aber komisch, dass er im Nachhinein nur zu den Bitcoins Stellung nimmt und nicht zu seinen im Wert gestiegenen Immobilien. |
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I have participated in the Minter airdrop campaign at the very beginning of their startup. Approximately a year ago. That time they have been giving 1100 BIP for registration and KYC. I got it in my wallet. Now it equals for around 120$. So, looks like normal guys, don't them? BIP is already at the exchange platform: https://bip.dev/Ok, did they launch it here on Bitcointalk or do they have an official profile here / Bitcointalk ANN? Looks like it's a legit project but I'm a bit confused why are they using cartoons on their website? On ICOBench and ICOHolder they are using real pictures... On September 2, Minter launched a 6-week signature campaign on bitcointalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181035 More than 100 participants have already decided to join it. But I wouldn’t trust them, because they hide their identities on their website and Whitepaper. Ok, so they are active on the forum and I've asked them for an official statement to avoid misunderstandings: Hello! I was surprised why you are using cartoons as profile pictures on your website and my first thought was your project could be scam. On ICOHolder and ICOBench you are using real pictures and also show your LinkedIn accounts. So I'm wondering why it's different on your website? Can you please explain it here to avoid any misunderstanding: Minter - just a normal Shitcoin or a Scamcoin? And please avoid automated translations in local boards, it's against the rules. If you need a quality translation, do a bounty or ask in Services for real translations. On September 2, Minter launched a 6-week signature campaign on bitcointalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181035 More than 100 participants have already decided to join it. But I wouldn’t trust them, because they hide their identities on their website and Whitepaper. Indeed it is fishy to think how come they can't even give their true faces when in fact they give their real names? They seem to have a real team but not on their website, I don't know why. Here it's real: https://icobench.com/ico/minterhttps://icoholder.com/en/minter-26241https://github.com/orgs/MinterTeam/people |
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Hello! I was surprised why you are using cartoons as profile pictures on your website and my first thought was your project could be scam. On ICOHolder and ICOBench you are using real pictures and also show your LinkedIn accounts. So I'm wondering why it's different on your website? Can you please explain it here to avoid any misunderstanding: Minter - just a normal Shitcoin or a Scamcoin? And please avoid automated translations in local boards, it's against the rules. If you need a quality translation, do a bounty or ask in Services for real translations. |
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Achso, da muss man sich anmelden, dachte das läuft hier im Forum ^^ Prinzipiell wäre ich trotzdem gerne dabei, zeitlich wäre es aber wohl erst morgen Abend für mich möglich, da rein zu schauen und mich anzumelden. Soweit ich das sehen kann, braucht man zur Anmeldung nur ne Mail, das halte ich für vertretbar. Wenn es mir zu kompliziert wird, gebe ich die 0,002 BTC aber trotzdem in den Pool. Und ich lege auch etwas an Merit dazu: 1. Platz 2 Merit 2. Platz 1 Merit Weil mein sMerit immer so schnell alle ist. Vielleicht wäre eine Teilnahmefrist ganz gut, bis wann man sich anmelden kann. Bis nächste Woche Mittwoch oder so. Die Saison geht ja noch lange. |
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Ich hätte nichts dagegen, irgendwann mal den einen oder anderen Trust zu erhalten, daher biete ich mich mal als Escrow an. Da gehört ja m.W.n. nicht mehr dazu als Ehrlichkeit und die Fähigkeit einen Betrag vom Wallet an ein anderes Wallet zu schicken?! Würde dir auch als Escrow vertrauen, falls du es machen möchtest und efialtis die Verantwortung abgeben möchte. Und ja, als Escrow ist es deine Aufgabe, das wertvolle BTC sicher aufzubewahren und dann an den Gewinner zu senden. Aber wenn du das Bitcoin verlierst, kann es negativen Trust geben. Danke |
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