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6861  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: p2p way to discourage fraud on: August 02, 2011, 03:15:08 PM
Your idea is already implemented in the Bitcoin protocol https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts
but was disabled due to bugs/issues. You could press on the developers to fix the issues and re-implement it again, maybe? Or ask someone else to get it working in a different client/miner.

(Satoshi thought of everything  Grin)
6862  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Loans and Lending; The Weakness in The Bitcoin Economy on: August 02, 2011, 02:57:10 PM
Hmm... I never thought of it that way... makes sense and understandable because I switched shoes, if I loaned someone 10 bitcoins and next year 7 bitcoins has the same buying power would I be ok with them just paying me 9 BTC back... well no...  So, ya a negative interest would not work with a currency like this.  Causing receiving a loan in BTC even less desirable (which I actually think is a good thing), making a loan would be highly desirable because you get interest on top of the deflationary effects over time but borrowing hurts more getting the double whammy of interest + deflation...  I think I understand the mechanics of this a little better now....

A few of us on another thread have calculated out a loan repayment system that may work ok in a deflationary system. Basically, your first few payment will be higher than normal, with each consecutive payment decreasing until the last payment is fairly small compared to where you started. The loan is similar to an inflationary currency loan, where although each payment is the same amount, the value decreases over time, and it manages to pay back both bank's interest and compensate for deflation. One major assumption of it though is that deflation stays constant. The deflation amount may be adjustable on the fly, but I haven't played with that yet.
6863  Economy / Economics / Re: U.S. Dollar Plummets as Bernanke Suggests Further Easing on: August 01, 2011, 08:22:07 PM
I really hope Ron Paul gets elected, he seems to be the only candidate running from either party with any real sense AND has the untarnished record...

And that's why he won't have a chance of winning. Big money interests won't help elect someone they know they can't buy.
6864  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Paxum Questions and Concerns on: August 01, 2011, 07:13:28 PM
Would Paxum ever consider switching from playing the middle man, and just let people exchange their currencies to Bitcoin directly on their site? Would be another source of revenue, and an advantage against Dwolla.
6865  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Let's add up the KNOWN lost bitcoins on: August 01, 2011, 05:11:26 PM
I wonder if Bitomat will be adding their 17,000BTC to this list?
6866  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Team Fortress 2 Items to Bitcoin on: August 01, 2011, 03:57:50 PM
I think the biggest/main problem with this idea is the trade imbalance between two systems. If way more people end up wanting Bitcoin than TF2 keys, you'll end up flooding the TF2 market with keys that are pegged to USD, but are actually worth less. It'll be pretty much like the situation with US and China, with US wanting Chinese goods, and China ending up being stuck with lots of much cheaper USD while still trying to peg their currency to USD.
6867  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How I would EMBRACE Bitcoin if I was a goverment on: August 01, 2011, 03:43:54 PM
In the US, I would replace people's Social Security numbers with their self-chosen Bitcoin addresses, or request employees to register a Bitcoin address with me whenever they get a job, even if they keep separate addresses for separate jobs. I would then require businesses to pay their employees to those registered Bitcoin addresses, and use the public blockchain information to calculate payroll taxes. Allowing registration of other addresses, such as merchant's payment addresses, business's main revenue addresses, bank customer's mortgage payment address, etc. will allow me to automate my tax collection process, and will eliminate the requirement for individuals and businesses to file tax forms except for specific tax deductions that can't be automated in a similar way. This way, I (as a government) will still be able to collect the same tax revenues, but will save everyone billions in tax accounting and preparation work.
6868  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How I would destroy bitcoin if I was a goverment on: August 01, 2011, 03:18:58 PM
For a government to destroy bitcoin or any large company, they could buy up all the bitcoin and wipeout the martket. us$~100million is not that much for them to loose.

Every time someone buys a Bitcoin, the next Bitcoin costs them more. If a government tried to buy all the Bitcoins, the first Bitcoin may cost them $13.50, but very last Bitcoin they buy will likely cost them over $100million.
6869  Economy / Economics / Re: U.S. Dollar Plummets as Bernanke Suggests Further Easing on: July 30, 2011, 02:35:09 AM
You hire people who work in the field and have experience. That's the problem with these positions: you basically have to hire the fox to watch the chicken coup, because the fox is the only one who knows what its weaknesses are.

Actually hiring the fox will just make things worst. You're feeding and protecting the fox that will kill your chickens at night, and he'll invite all his fox buddies for the kill.

Ok, how about, you hire a physics professor to do a physics problem, an electrician to fix an electrical problem, and a corporate business guy to fix a corporate business problem? There's just no one else to hire who will understand any of the stuff they're dealing with.
6870  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Somalia on: July 29, 2011, 07:58:08 PM
Even extremism is a function of outside interference because the jihadists give them a chance to expel foreign interlopers, so they side with the CIC & Al Shahab.

The Islam extremism is the one thing that really worries me about Somalia, and may be the thing that keeps it from turning into Cayman Islands, and instead turns it into another Taliban-overrun Afghanistan Sad
6871  Other / Politics & Society / Re: You Choose... on: July 29, 2011, 07:49:12 PM
There is Zero reason the Federal Government should be involved in running Schools or Education.  Especially due to how much they've F'cked the whole thing up.  The education level has taken a nose dive in the US since Federal takeover. 

If "Federal" was at fault, explain why even more heavily federal schools in Europe, Asia, and Eastern Europe are doing better than the schools here in USA?
6872  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Somalia on: July 29, 2011, 03:32:19 PM
Now we just need some gutsy, heavily armed libertarians to move over there and establish some businesses to get things going.
6873  Other / Politics & Society / Re: You Choose... on: July 29, 2011, 03:07:09 PM
Really, only ones I'd keep are Social Security, Medicare, Interest on Treasuries, IRS Refunds, HUD, Fed salaries, active duty pay, and Department of Justice. Keep the old folks safe and in homes, keep their pensions safe, don't leave the soldiers stranded, and keep the justice system running to businesses still have trust here. I'd also prefer to keep the fed government running, since things like FBI, and CIA and stuff do provide some useful services, though I think that the Fed salary number should decrease if you keep some other things unchecked.

Unemployed and others? Guess it's time to make up with your estranged family members and move back in.
6874  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Republic Of Bitcoin on: July 29, 2011, 02:53:44 PM
If enough businesses start selling goods in Bitcoin, and enough black-market establishments start renting rooms for bitcoin and paying for jobs in bitcoin, it may be possible to renounce your citizenship, and just live wherever you want, earning and paying with bitcoin while avoiding things like taxes.

Rassah, what does currency have to do with citizenship? I'm not a citizen where I work, but pay taxes where I live.

Anonymous enough to avoid taxation, and can work outside of government's monitoring of the financial system. You can work for cash and pay with cash to get the same effects, but that cash is still coming from somewhere and going to somewhere and questions can be asked. With Bitcoin it may be easier to be completely under the radar.
6875  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Space Industry: An example of why governments fail and freedom prevails. on: July 29, 2011, 02:47:21 PM
Quote from: Rassah
and btw, despite what people's opinions are, Poland is way better now than it was under Communism.

I don't know if you can't read graphs or what, but Poland was one of the only two countries where people think they're better off now than under Communism.

The results were close to 50/50. It's quite better than that.

And according to you it's because only dumb people are left? Seriously? Asking someone if their lives were better now or 20 years ago is about the simplest question you can manage. Even the dumbest person you can find has the ability to remember if their life was in danger every single day. If it was all as bad as you say, you'd think it would be more like 90/10 or worse.

8% of people in Hungary think life is better now than under Communism.  12% in Ukraine, 13% in Bulgaria, 23% in Lithuania - you know, you have a really weird definition of 50/50.

If you are going to quote my 50/50, and point out how it's ridiculous that I think it's 50/50, please quote the whole thing. I was referring specifically to Poland.

As for the rest, people had guaranteed employment, had their apartment provided for them, had free healthcare, free education, cheap transportation ($0.05 one way on metro), cheap food (loaf of bread $0.20), and calm, safe neighborhoods. Now they have to pay rent or mortgage, pay money to get decent healthcare, transportation and food are much more expensive, and crime and burglaries are rampant.
What those people forget about their past "comfortable" life is that:
They used to have to live on $320 a month (combined salary of both my parents working high up at a biotech lab), and now earn $2,000 or more
To get an appartnemt used to mean you have to get on a 10+year waiting list, and most lived in a cramped apartments all together with their parents and grandparents
The quality of free healthcare they get now hasn't changed. They just realized how horrible it was now that they can compare it to type you pay for (my dad had to have his appendix removed under USSR. They only went as far as sterilizing the tools, but didn't give him any anesthetic.)
Food was cheap, but not available. The stories about standing in line are true. If you heard that a local grocer is getting potatoes, or anything fancier, that day, you got in line at 6 or 5 in the morning to make sure you got some. Now, prices are higher, but also because you actually have options and see how much things really cost.
Neighborhoods were calm, safe, and quiet, but really only in people's heads. There were still drunks, burglars, and rapists around, though not as many. The reason was that people were really scared of the government, which can come, arrest you, and send you to a work camp for whatever reason. So, really, the dark, hidden, and without cause threat got replaced by blatant, visible, and obvious threat. At least this threat is visible enough to avoid.
Public transportation and education are still top notch though, so can't fault those.
Really, it's a case of "'mo money 'mo problems" and "ignorance is bliss"

Also, remember how it was MUCH better here in America in the 50's? All the old people have such nostalgia for it. Never mind the war, the rampant racism and misogynism, and all the other bs people had to deal with.
6876  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Space Industry: An example of why governments fail and freedom prevails. on: July 29, 2011, 02:28:29 PM
Not to mention the fact that when a totalitarian Communist country commits abuses, we blame it on Communism, yet when an oppressive government in a more market-based system commits the same sorts of abuses, capitalism never seems to get any of the blame.

Did you just happen to miss the entire point where I said that the people currently in charge of the government agencies and the biggest businesses in Russia are the same communists who used to run USSR 20 years ago???
6877  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gilgamesh and The Script: A Debate on: July 29, 2011, 02:19:43 PM
Now assume there are millions of starving people.

Take it back a step and ask what caused the millions of starving people. Currently the causes are either a natural disaster with bandits taking power and preventing help from getting in, or severely mismanaged economy with too many barriers preventing people from get themselves out of poverty.
6878  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: July 28, 2011, 09:52:59 PM
Excuse my ignorance for not reading through this thread.  I just happened to see that someone had written that "education is hard work."  I had to snicker at that.  I'll allow a caveat for the 'hard' sciences (i.e. those requiring extreme mathematical precision).

Meh, reading one or two EXTREMELY dull and boring 27 page business cases every day, because you have to if you want an understanding of the subject and a nice degree to go with it, is hard work too. Though most of the work performed is for staying awake and not zoning out.
6879  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atlas and Society: A Debate on: July 28, 2011, 09:50:57 PM
Remember when New Orleans got flooded, how many companies sent trucks with food and water there? (WalMart, etc) Helping out during a disaster is a very good advertising and good will campaign move. Large companies with money to spare will likely jump on these opportunities.

A token in the larger effort, and New Orleans was never as bad off as, say, Somalia.

That's true, but in New Orleans you don't have heavily armed war lords roaming the countryside and taking whatever food is donated. That's a whole other problem that needs to be dealt with...
6880  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Space Industry: An example of why governments fail and freedom prevails. on: July 28, 2011, 09:43:51 PM
Quote from: Rassah
and btw, despite what people's opinions are, Poland is way better now than it was under Communism.

I don't know if you can't read graphs or what, but Poland was one of the only two countries where people think they're better off now than under Communism.

The results were close to 50/50. It's quite better than that.

See, here's your free market with massive corruption, and you're still trying to blame it on the Communists, 22 years after their governments fell. And you're telling the people that actually remember Communism and lived under both systems that their lives are better now because you know better... having never lived under it yourself, and probably not even having visited their countries. Isn't that awfully presumptuous? What would you say if those people started making assumptions about your life based on things that they figure must be true without ever having been to the U.S?

Few things. First, 22 years, after 70 years of oppressive rule that killed off anyone who was considered smart/intelligent, brainwashed the populace with propaganda, and killed anyone who dared to even attempt anything that resembled capitalism, isn't all that much. Second, everyone with any brains got the hell out of there as soon as they could (MASSIVE brain-drain in the late 80's and 90's), meaning most of those left are ones who were dumb enough not to know better, and preferred the socialist/communist system. Three, there are LOTS of people still living there, and outside of there, who remember the communist system quite well. 20 years means someone who is 30 still remembers it. And last, "presumptuous? LOL! I'm actually one of those "brain drains" and left in '89. So, no, I'm not "presuming," I remember what it was like, heard many stories from my grandparents and parents, and keep in touch with family members and friends who are still there. No presuming here.

I have literally no clue what you're trying to get at here. That some businesses don't advertise? Is that supposed to be some sort of revelation?

The average American is exposed to over 3,000 advertisements a day. It's a $150 billion a year industry in the U.S. alone. Just the insurance industry spent $4.15 billion on advertising in 2009, double what they spent in 2000. And State Farm, who almost never advertise according to you, was responsible for $514 million of that.

You claim that in an unregulated free market, advertising will go through the roof. I'm pointing out that there is already a lot of advertising out there, but really not that much for products we do use, and you don't have to buy from overpriced companies who spend too much on advertising, since it's extremely easy to price shop.
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