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6981  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 13, 2013, 08:56:37 PM
big sell wall pushing the price down.  Is it a short and distort?
Its an Idiot Wall. Either an idiot trying to push the price down, or an idiot thinking they were 'selling into (non-existent) strength' when it was rising up to 118, hahaha. Seems more likely to be someone trying to push it down.

You can't speculatively (profitably) long bitcoins, you can only short. So it's probably some supernode trying their capabilities (American likely), but I will be impressed only after breaching $.11. If I can do $.119->$.09752 in 3 days, surely others can do even better!  Grin
6982  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin PEW PEW Node Summit on: May 13, 2013, 07:41:58 PM
LMAO, the third time in my Bitcointalk history.
6983  Other / Off-topic / Re: rpietila public diary on: May 13, 2013, 07:15:25 PM
I really hope you real life is not in danger, but honestly i don't get WTF is going on here.

It is safer to fear for your life when there is no danger, than it is to not fear when there is.
Which category does keeping us all in suspense fall under?!  If i don't find out something soon I'll pee my pants!!!!

I spent 8 days before the summit in Haikko preparing for it. Then during the 24 hours after it started (opening ceremony was Thursday 14:00, Finland time is used if no otherwise mention), something went seriously wrong so many times that I felt the probability of it having been a coincidence had increased to well above zero.

When I ordered an investigation on the events, I did not have the opportunity of taking adequate care of my summit, my family, my sleeping, my water or my food. After about 40 hours of rather intense events, after which I was fully content to die, since there is nothing in this life that I can think of, I would seriously have missed (and believe me I can think of things that most of you can not), I had also exhausted my available energy. I did not feel I would have been able to keep my posture for any more time. So I ordered a general evacuation of the summit and went fully offline for the time between Sunday 13:00 and roughly now. Since I don't have too much stress now, I think I can work approximately 16-18 hours per day indefinitely, provided that I take about 1 day off every 5 days.

Now I try hard to minimize the risk to the well-being of anyone, and to raise the stakes in the game described as follows: if someone actually copied the private keys there (I had access to over 6000 bitcoins unencrypted, open in my computer browser windows during the time it was compromised), he will have to suffer the fact becoming public in its entirety + all the details, if he spends the bitcoins before I have the time to spend them myself. Due to extensive precautions involved, it will take me approximately a week of calendar time + several thousand dollars, to fully ensure that the bitcoins are safe, by sending them to uncompromised addresses. I plan to concentrate on that during this week.
6984  Other / Off-topic / Re: rpietila public diary on: May 13, 2013, 04:56:05 PM
This is a copy of the conference material, given to all delegates, hosts, guests, staff and families of the summit delegations, and supposedly given to all members of the hotel staff in Hotel Haikko Manor, owned by Vuoristo-yhtiöt Oy. It is partly censored for names of delegates, although dozens of physical copies featuring the names of the delegates were available during the summit. The names of virtual delegates have not been intentionally disclosed although some of them may have been compromised during the summit.


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O R D E R   O F   T H E   D A Y   9 .   M A Y   2 0 1 3


Welcome to I Bitcoin Supernode Summit! I have selected Haikko Manor as the summit venue from among all the hotels I have visited, mainly due to my long affiliation with the hotel as a customer, and the impeccable customer service that I have grown to expect during my 10+ year experience, with many of the same members of staff from the hotel side. Now finally I have staff of my own, and I am eager to let them (+ the guests and delegates) experience the best Finland - and in my opinion, the world - can offer.

We will be 15 full-term summit participants, as follows:

Risto Pietilä, Host Donator. I am the Convenor of the Summit, and will lead most of the workshops. My room is Suite #30 in the Manor House, it will also act as the Summit Office. My family will live in Suite #26.

N.N., Senior Delegate. N. is freeman, also Partner and member of Supervisory Board in Silverbank, among others. Lives in Manor House #42, PM code 9102.

Roni Blomberg, Senior Host, Host-in-charge. Roni is a full time Bitcoin broker in my organization and lives in Manor House #51, PM code 9105. His partner is N.N.

N.N., Delegate. PM code 9101.

Lauri Keinänen, Delegate. Room #330, PM code 9106.

N.N., Delegate. Room #329, PM code 9103.

N.N., Delegate. Room #329, PM code 9104.

N.N., Guest. Room #328, PM code 9108.

N.N., Guest. Room #328, PM code 9109.

Frank Johansson, Host. Frank acts as our driver. He is also Senior Partner in Silverbank. Lives in Room #330, PM code 9107.

N.N. and N.N. are my staff, and act as Summit Secretariat. They live in Manor House #41. PM codes 9110, and 9111, respectively.

The schedule of the Summit is under construction.

The Log Sauna is only for Hosts, Guests and Delegates of the summit, and will be used for workshops. No other people may enter the area or the building. Hotel staff will call first.



Financial matters:

The PM codes are virtual room numbers, by which the delegates can order services not included in their summit invitation package. Breakfast is included. Room is included. All except N.N. and N.N. receive free dinner every day. Lunch, snacks, and all alcoholic drinks are not included for anyone. The Summit PM code is 9010 and you can use that to order items that are included + upon agreement.

Tips are given in Bitcointip. The bills are in denominations from 5 to 1,000 minicoins (mBTC = 0.001 BTC). Delegates are given bills, plus it is possible to buy them with bitcoins. The hotel staff is generally very courteous, and for small services a tip of 10-25 minicoins is in order. For more important assignments, 50-100 minicoins. It is advisable to give only one note as a tip, please have the right denomination with you. Do not tip the staff more than 200 minicoins, and even this should be reserved as a special honor.

The owners, board members, and hotel directors should not be tipped without reason. If there is a legit reason, do not tip less than 200 minicoins. For senior management, minimum tip is 100 minicoins if at all. For anyone with 20 or more years of service, 50 minicoins minimum. There is a bill of 5 minicoins, which is currently not very valuable. Please only give this as a tip, if you think the service was bad and you should have been apologized already. It is an insult to offer frowny service and we pay insult with insult.

The ladies do not give tips.

Bitcointip can be redeemed in Summit Office (Manor House Suite #30) on Sunday, at 10-11 am for bitcoins, or exchanged for euros at the going rate (currently 1 mBTC = 0.085 EUR). Bitcointip notes are only redeemable until June 30, 2013.


In Haikko,

Risto Pietilä
President etc. of Silverbank, EIH, Hopea.fi
1.5 class Bitcoin Supernode
6985  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 13, 2013, 04:42:28 PM
Bitcoin was trading at about $0.1175/mBTC when I posted my preliminary explanation of what happened in the summit.
6986  Other / Off-topic / Re: rpietila public diary on: May 13, 2013, 04:36:33 PM
Translated text from Finnish original added in blue in front of original text (thank you rebuilder):

Translator's notes in [brackets]. I've tried to keep the style to my best ability, to some degree at cost of legibility. Dates in DD.MM.YYYY format, or similar bigendian.

"Hi,

Thank you for the service during our Bitcoin-conference 9.-12.5. Unfortunately, Haikko manor did not entirely conduct the conference as agreed upon (Janne Sainio, e-mail "Confirmation Silverbank" 7.5. at 12:01, and discussions leading to the offer in question, especially the lunch meeting Pietilä-Blomberg-Keinänen-Sainio, for a time Mähönen 2.5. approx. 12-16 o'clock.)

Notable failings (list is exemplary [??] but not complete):

-Materials to be handed out in advance to hotel staff (Order of the day 9. May 2013), which had been promised to be delivered to the staff's attention before the beginning of the conference, had not been dealt out. We are under the impression the material was in accordance with what had been agreed upon with Sainio and that he had seen it before passing it on to the hotel. [The phrasings used here leaves me a bit unclear on whether the actual passing on of informational material is at issue here, or informing hotel staff that such material exists. I assume the former.] During hour 4-hour lunch (2.5) Sainio had time to gain the impression this was to be a so-called summit. [Lit. "top meeting".] Apparently it was for this reason that Mähönen had been asked to introduce himself. We requested, among other things, 24 hour guards at the log sauna, which indicated our view of the central importance of the sauna's security, although no promise was made to deliver guards.

-The staff of the hotel had entered the sauna space on at least 3 separate occasions in the first 24 hours alone, of a sauna reservation of 59 hours length in total, despite prior agreement to the contrary, it being clearly mentioned in the daily order [that the sauna is not to be entered at will, I presume] and repeated reminders of this. Some of the entries happened when we were not guarding the sauna since we had been asked to retire to our rooms by 24:00 at the latest, although the sauna was in our uninterrupted use from thursday 10:00 to saturday 23:00. Already on friday 10.5 between 00 and 12 o'clock personal items belonging to conference participants had gone missing from the sauna. Additionally the sauna had been cleaned, so that our ability to discover the full amount of lost/stolen property immediately as the conference was still ongoing was weakened.

The main host of the conference (Pietilä) ordered an internal preliminary investigation on the matter on fri. 10.5. at approx. 18 hours. He used as personnel mainly himself and acting host ["responsible/trustee host"] Roni Blomberg, a hotel employee by the name of "Butler Charlotta" and a representative of the maintenance company, "Mikke". By approximately 8 o'clock saturday morning, the preliminary investigation led to the understanding at least 1 bitcoin worth of property had been lost (repurchase value of identifiably lost items), but private keys possibly used to store bitcoins had been copied/destroyed to a greater extent. Among other things, Pietilä's Macbook Air computer was at the sauna for the entire night, thursday-friday 9.-10.5

Our estimate of the upper bound of damages is 100000 bitcoins (market value approx. 9,1 million euro, repurchase value with immediate market operation approx. 10,2 million euro). Damages are divided in two parts, copied and lost bitcoin private keys.

For copied private keys the situation can be sorted out by transferring all the bitcoins of all the participants to different addresses, at which point we weill see, whether they have in the meantime been unrightfully spent. Finding this out must happen a soon as possible (if private keys have been saved, no financial loss will be caused, unless they are unrightfully used before the legal owner transfers them to a new, safe address). Due to the extremely strict security requirements of handling private keys required to use large amounts of bitcoins, the operation is however labour-intensive and carrying it out must be done by each participant such, that most of the work can not be delegated. For example an inventory of bitcoins of Pietilä and the companies he owns/leads requires about 16 hors of work to complete. Pietilä's own consulting fees (list price http://hopea.fi/bitcoin-kurssihistoria/) in April have varied between 600-2400 euro. This is one of the most urgent tasks, which will override most other markings in Pietilä's calendar for the week 13.-19.5.

The sum of money lost due to loss of private keys can not be reliably found out, but we believe the participants will notice if the sum rises to the thousands of bitcoins. This will be found out in about a week (a week is also our ETA for finding out the sum total of stolen bitcoins).

With the preliminary investigation having lasted throuhgh the entire night of 1.-11.5, it's traces (among them approx. 50 trash bags removed from a trash compactors, which had, by Pietilä and Mikke, been emptied in the trash area and thoroughly searched in hopes of bitcoin private keys or their parts having been destroyed among the trash, instead of stolen) were no longer possible to keep hidden from hotel management. Mähönen was informed of the matter on saturday morning, and he had a meeting with Pietilä between 10:30-11:30. It is believed both parties recorded the conversation with mobile devices. The conclusion of the meeting was, that Pietilä would not receive the right of direction he had requested over Charlotta and Mikke, and would not be allowed to otherwise continue the preliminary investigation in any overt way. Mähönen however gave permission to carry the conference out to its conclusion by the agreed ending time of 16 hours on 12.5.

The continuous failings in security and the increasingly hostile attitude of the staff led to Pietilä ordering the conference evacuated on 12.5 at 10 o'clock, and the evacuation was concluded by approx. 12 o'clock. Haikko manor was informed of the situation at 13 o'clock, by when all delegates had reached a safe area.

-Pietilä had reserved, for payment of the hotel bill, time on sunday between approx 9:30-10, which the hotel had been informed of (Butler Charlotta approx. 8:30). Payment was unsuccesful, because the bill had been drafted against PM-codes [?? Translator's education insufficient here.] and contained obvious errors. For example the 2400 euro rent of the Romanov hall had been added to the bill, contrary to the confirmation of reservation sent by Sainio. When Pietilä pointed this out to the receptionist called Anna-Lisa, she responded, that the addition was Mähönen's. Pietilä requested to be allowed to inspect the bill and pay the undisputed part. This was denied.

****

We want, from Vuoristo-yhtiöt OY, a bill fit for bookkeeping, itemized by the agreed PM-codes, with copies of receipts for room service and such services procured attached, so we can inspect the bill and pay the undisputed part.

We want, from Vuoristo-yhtiöt OY, the personal items left in rooms 26 and 30 during the evacuation, which we can pick up while we pay the undisputed part.

We hope Vuoristo-yhtiöt OY will appoint a contact with decision-making powers, who can discuss with Pietilä. If the company's attitude remains the same as during phone discussions had on monday 13.5 (e.g. Pietilä-Mähönen), our contact person will be an attorney's office.

Risto Pietilä can be reached at the number 050-3235950. He keeps a public diary in English at the address:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620
and a copy of this e-mail has been sent there as clarification of events, which have caused concern in the Bitcoin community.

Risto Pietilä.



Hei,

Kiitos palvelusta Bitcoin-konferenssimme 9.-12.5. aikana. Valitettavasti konferenssia ei Haikon kartanon puolelta kaikilta osin toimitettu sovitun (Janne Sainio, email "Vahvistus Silverbank" 7.5. klo 12:01, sekä ko. tarjoukseen johtaneet keskustelut eritoten lounaspalaveri Pietilä-Blomberg-Keinänen-Sainio, osan aikaa Mähönen 2.5. n. klo 12-16) mukaisesti.

Merkittäviä puutteita (lista on esimerkinomainen mutta ei täydellinen):

- Hotellin henkilökunnalle etukäteen jaettua materiaalia (Order of the Day 9. May 2013), joka oli luvattu ennen konferenssin alkua saattaa henkilökunnalle tiedoksi, ei ollut jaettu. Olemme käsityksessä, että materiaali oli Sainion kanssa sovitun mukainen ja että hän on nähnyt sen ennen sen antamista tiedoksi hotellille. Sainio ehti 4 tunnin mittaisen lounaan (2.5.) aikana saada käsityksen, että kyseessä on nk. huippukokous. ilmeisesti Mähönen oli sen vuoksi pyydetty esittäytymään. Pyysimme mm. 24h vartiota hirsisaunalle, mikä viittasi käsitykseemme saunan turvallisuuden keskeisyydestä, vaikka vartiota ei luvattukaan toimittaa.

- Hotellin henkilökunta oli käynyt saunatilassa vähintään 3 erillistä kertaa pelkästään ensimmäisen 24 tunnin aikana yhteensä 59 tunnin mittaisesta saunavarauksesta, huolimatta siitä, että asiasta oli etukäteen toisin sovittu, siitä mainittiin selväsanaisesti päiväkäskyssä ja siitä huomautettiin toistuvasti. Osa käynneistä tapahtui silloin, kun me emme vartioineet saunaa koska meitä oli pyydetty siirtymään huoneisiimme viimeistään kello 24:00, vaikka sauna oli keskeytyksettä käytössämme to 10:00-la 23:00. Jo perjantain 10.5. 00-12 välisenä aikana saunasta oli kadonnut konferenssin osallistujille kuuluvia henkilökohtaisia tavaroita. Lisäksi sauna oli siivottu, siten, että mahdollisuutemme selvittää kadonneen/varastetun omaisuuden kokonaismäärä välittömästi konferenssin yhä kestäessä heikkenivät.

Konferenssin pääisäntä (Pietilä) määräsi asiasta sisäisen esitutkinnan pe 10.5. noin kello 18. Hän käytti henkilöstönä pääosin itseään sekä vastuuisäntä Roni Blombergia, hotellin työntekijää nimeltä "Butler Charlotta" sekä huoltoyhtiön edustajaa "Mikke". Esitutkinta johti lauantaiaamuun noin klo 8 mennessä siihen käsitykseen, että omaisuutta oli kadonnut vähintään 1 bitcoinin arvosta (tunnistettavasti kadonneiden esineiden jälleenhankinta-arvo), mutta mahdollisesti bitcoinien käyttöön vaadittavia yksityisavaimia on joutunut tallennetuksi/hävitetyksi enemmänkin. Mm. Pietilän Macbook Air -merkkinen tietokone oli saunalla koko yön to-pe 9.-10.5.

Arviomme vahingon maksimimäärästä on 100000 bitcoinia (markkina-arvo n. 9,1 miljoonaa euroa, jälleenhankinta-arvo välittömällä markkinaoperaatiolla noin 10,2 miljoonaa euroa). Vahinko jakautuu kahteen osaan, tallennettuihin ja kadotettuihin bitcoinien yksityisavaimiin.

Tallennettujen yksityisavaimien osalta voimme selvittää tilanteen siirtämällä kaikki kaikkien osallistujien bitcoinit eri osoitteisiin, jolloin käy ilmi, onko niitä sillä välin oikeudettomasti käytetty. Tämän selville saaminen tulee tapahtua mahdollisimman pian (mikäli yksityisavaimia on tallennettu, asiasta ei aiheudu rahallista tappiota, ellei niitä oikeudettomasti käytetä ennen kuin laillinen omistaja siirtää ne uuteen, turvalliseen osoitteeseen). Suurten bitcoin-määrien käyttöön vaadittavien yksityisavaimien säilytyksessä noudatettavien äärimmäisen tiukkojen turvallisuusvaatimusten johdosta operaatio on kuitenkin työläs ja sen suorittaminen on kunkin osallistujan tehtävä siten, että suurinta osaa työstä ei ole mahdollista delegoida. Esimerkiksi Pietilän ja hänen omistamiensa/johtamiensa yhtiöiden bitcoinien inventaari vaatii noin 16 tunnin työn. Pietilän oma konsultointilaskutus (listahinta http://hopea.fi/bitcoin-kurssihistoria/) huhtikuussa on vaihdellut 600-2400 euron välillä. Tämä on yksi kiireellisimpiä tehtäviä, joka tulee ohittamaan useimmat muut Pietilän kalenterissa viikolla 13.-19.5. olleet merkinnät.

Kadotettujen yksityisavaimien johdosta hävityn rahan kokonaismäärää ei ole mahdollista luotettavasti selvittää, mutta uskomme osallistujien huomaavan, mikäli summa nousee useisiin tuhansiin bitcoineihin. Tämä saadaan selville noin viikossa (viikko on arviomme myös varastettujen bitcoinien kokonaismäärän selville saamiseksi).

Kun esitutkinta oli kestänyt koko yön 10.-11.5., sen jäljet (mm. roskapuristimesta irrotetut n. 50 jätesäkkiä, jotka oli Pietilän ja Miken toimesta tyhjennetty roska-aitaukseen ja tongittu läpi perinpohjaisesti siinä toivossa, että bitcoinien yksityisavaimia tai niiden osia olisi hävitetty roskien joukossa, eikä varastettu) eivät enää olleet peitettävissä hotellin johdolta. Asia tehtiin lauantaiaamuna tiettäväksi Mähöselle, joka tapasi Pietilän palaverissa n. 10:30-11:30 välisenä aikana. Tiettävästi molemmat osapuolet lisäksi nauhoittivat keskustelun mobiililaitteella. Palaverin lopputuloksena oli, että Pietilä ei saa pyytämäänsä direktio-oikeutta Charlottaan ja Mikkeen, eikä saa jatkaa esitutkintaa muutenkaan näkyvällä tavalla. Mähönen kuitenkin antoi luvan saattaa konferenssin loppuun sovittuun päättymisaikaan 12.5. klo 16 mennessä.

Jatkuvat puutteet turvallisuudessa sekä henkilökunnan yhä vihamielisemmäksi käyvä suhtautuminen johtivat siihen, että Pietilä määräsi konferenssin evakuoitavaksi 12.5. kello 10, ja evakuointi saatettiin päätökseen noin kello 12 mennessä. Haikon kartanolle ilmoitettiin tilanteesta noin kello 13, jolloin kaikki delegaatit olivat päässeet turvalliselle alueelle.

- Pietilä oli varannut hotellilaskun maksamista varten aikaa sunnuntaina noin kello 9:30-10 välisen ajan, mikä oli annettu tiedoksi hotellille (Butler Charlotta n. 8:30). Maksaminen ei onnistunut, koska lasku oli laadittu vastoin sovittuja PM-koodeja ja sisälsi ilmeisiä virheitä. Esimerkiksi Romanov-salin tilavuokra 2400 euroa oli lisätty laskuun vastoin Sainion lähettämää varausvahvistusta. Kun Pietilä huomautti asiasta Anna-Lisa nimiselle vastaanottovirkailijalle, tämä vastasi, että lisäys oli Mähösen. Pietilä pyysi voida tarkastaa laskun ja maksaa riidattoman osuuden. Tämä evättiin.

****

Haluamme Vuoristo-yhtiöt Oy:ltä kirjanpitokelpoisen laskun, joka on eritelty sovittujen PM-koodien mukaisesti, liitteenä kopiot huonepalvelusta tms. hankittujen palveluiden kuiteista, jotta voimme tarkastaa laskun ja maksaa riidattoman osuuden.

Haluamme Vuoristo-yhtiöt Oy:ltä huoneisiin 26 ja 30 evakuoinnin yhteydessä jääneet henkilökohtaiset tavarat, jotka voimme hakea samalla kun maksamme riidattoman osuuden.

Toivomme, että Vuoristo-yhtiöt Oy nimittää asian hoitoa varten päätösvaltaisen yhteyshenkilön, joka voi keskustella Pietilän kanssa. Jos yhtiön suhtautuminen jatkuu maanantaina 13.5. käytyjen puhelinkeskustelujen (mm. Pietilä-Mähönen) kaltaisella tavalla, yhteyshenkilönämme toimii asianajotoimisto.

Risto Pietilän tavoittaa numerosta 050-3235950. Hän pitää julkista päiväkirjaa englanniksi osoitteessa:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620
ja tämän sähköpostiviestin kopio on lähetetty sinne selvityksenä tapahtumista, jotka ovat herättäneet huolta Bitcoin-yhteisössä.

Risto Pietilä
6987  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 10, 2013, 10:16:19 PM
Cyprus thing is a joke. That was just speculative mania. I will ask you something: have you invested significant money in Bitcoin? If the answer is yes, how long did it take from the first moment you heard about it?

Again: entering into Bitcoin is a lengthy process - first you have to understand, not only what is Bitcoin but also how to keep your bitcoins safe. Then you have to find out how to buy them, and then you slowly start pouring money, just a little a the beginning.

That's everybody's process. When it will come the day that the average citizen will have the understanding and the means to quickly throw a lot of fiat into Bitcoin after the kind of news we had in March, then.... Well, you cannot imagine the kind of huge motherfucking bubbles we are going to see.

I have to agree with this 100%.

It took me 1 week to put $17 cash into an envelope and mail it to canada to buy my first coins. 2 more weeks to have a miner setup and initiated a bank transfer to gox. I consider that pretty fast and that was only possible because I had all kinds of prerequisites already in place (understanding of crypto, understanding of double spend problem, understanding of p2p network). I had to talk to noone to confirm this thing was legit and most likely functional. There was no misleading press or ponzi accusations all over the net either, which should slow the process even more in this day and age.

Average nowadays is probably more like 6 weeks from first exposure to first substantial buy.

We're thinking too short-term. There's all kinds of buffers (delays) and feedback loops in this system that need time to play out.
Seconded.  If you're a goldbug libertarian with technical background and high risk tolerance, it's possible you might "get it" and buy relatively quickly, within a few weeks.  But that would be very unusual.  My experience with anyone lacking that magical quatrifecta, is that it takes months of investigating and being prodded before any action.  There are people I've been talking to about Bitcoin for almost two years, are positive about it, but still haven't pulled the trigger.

It took me more than a year of constant (weekly) highly intelligent exposure to bitcoin, before I bought any. It took an additional year and more, before I allocated a significant % of my holdings to it. I even knew of Bitcoin before Mt.Gox opened, and that was purely theoretical and did not interest me.

So expect a large percent of the ones who heard in early 2013, to buy in with significant money in 2015-2016. Unless they are slower to understand than I was, in which case it takes even longer.
6988  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 10, 2013, 07:45:50 AM
im buying silver to get out of some of this silly fiat, im looking to start buying more at 21, but if we get near 18, awesome

Take a look of Silvervault. You can buy silver that is stored securely in a bank vault (controlled by me) in Estonia. Estonia features no VAT on silver, and it is a stable parliamentary republic (in Estonian: "Eesti Vabariik" = the Free Country of the Estonians).

There is no spread in the silver that you buy. No minimums and no maximums. You can take delivery of it or sell it. Very low fees on buying, selling and storage. If you are not a national or resident of the U.S., Canada or Japan, and have no bank account and no business there, you are eligible to join the free world and be a customer of Silvervault! Smiley

I mean for diversification, this is a good way to corner a chunk of the world's physical investment silver with no sweat Wink
6989  Other / Off-topic / Re: rpietila public diary on: May 10, 2013, 05:24:59 AM
We sent a memo to all summit delegates about how to tip the staff of the hotel with bitcoin-denominated redeemable short-term bearer certificates.

The virtual delegates who want to participate, please skype chat to me at "ristopietila" and we organize the practicalities. Today is the main workgroups day and it is 8:30am here.
6990  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 10, 2013, 05:19:11 AM
Asia knows how to do things right. Most airlines in Asia have a policy where flight attendants are 26 years old or younger. Once you hit 27, GTFO of view and go sit behind a desk. Here we're stuck with 50 year old hags who are constantly pissed off.  

I think it is more about the attitude than age. Both here in Haikko Manor and in American Airlines, some of the female staff are over 60 years old, and service is like in heaven. They know what they do, and do not get pissed off no matter how busy you are. I think the balance needs to be there, I would personally not be happy if everyone was younger than me - if nothing else, that reminds me of my mortality.
6991  Other / Off-topic / Re: rpietila public diary on: May 09, 2013, 08:01:38 AM
Is there anyone willing to receive the sourcedata of these 450 trades by email, so that he can analyze them and publish the results.

I was the main contributor behind the crash from 119->108 in May 5, and one of the two wallmakers that drove the price from 111->97.52 in May 7. I net bought 176,000mBTC with no additional cash by this successful swing trade.
6992  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 08, 2013, 06:28:06 AM
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Anyone willing to pay that loser 10BTC/hour will end up broke.
Based on the guy's track record you can be sure to get bad advice lol.

Some track record from my recent trades:

TIME/15MIN   BTC CHANGE   USD CHANGE   AVG PRICE
         
1   -707   81 982   115,94
2   -100   11 211   112,11
3   -82   9 058   110,78
4   -250   27 871   111,48
5   -743   80 634   108,51
6   -7   727   109,20
213   -15   1 585   109,00
214   -229   24 776   108,21
215   0   0   
216   100   -10 414   104,14
217   0   0   
218   315   -32 616   103,41
219   114   -11 817   104,00
220   109   -11 147   102,68
221   0   0   
222   -28   2 922   104,36
223   29   -2 972   102,57
224   150   -15 247   101,65
225   489   -48 318   98,81
226   0   0   
227   115   -11 676   101,57
228   22   -2 255   102,30
229   688   -70 213   102,07
230   206   -21 163   102,87
         
   176   2 927   

I am willing to send the raw data to somebody (.xlsx) by email/skype if he promises to publish it (sorry I don't know how to share files efficiently  Embarrassed ). It is 450 transactions and I have already done some preliminary analysis such as grouping the trades in 15 minute brackets as shown above.

6 hours of trading for a gain of 176,000mBTC. If we add the 2 hours of moving the btc for the scare-walls in and out of Gox, 2 hours of premeditation, and 2 hours of backend, it is 12 hours of work.

In my understanding I just made 14,667mBTC per hour. So I don't see realistically, why I would be obliged to surrender my time for any less than 10,000mBTC as a consultant. Many people in my level don't just sell their time.

I think the 2927 dollars I "made" was at least partly fees, and perhaps I left some money uninvested in some account. This is parsed from multiple accounts that I control in Mt.Gox in the name of Eesti Investeerimishobe OU. (Remember always to pay your taxes, I pay them legally to Estonia at a flat rate of 0% VAT and 0% corporate tax.)

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As for the 10BTC/hr, it's subjective and probably worth it to some people because this is a very specialized field so you can't just call up any old financial advisor, and if nothing else, rpietila has the reputation to be trusted not to run off with your money.

Calling me is voluntary! If you are sure that you cannot recoup the price of my advice, don't call  Cheesy
My number is +358503235950 for consulting calls only. Book your time via SMS and have the bitcoins ready.

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Narcissist or not, the guy is honest and a stand-up businessman: a problem I recently had with a silver delivery from him was handled extremely well and to my satisfaction... on a sunday.

Yeah, just remember to notify me when the silver arrives Smiley I redeemed it on its way to the recipient because the delivery took "too long" (as if it was not public knowledge that the postal system treats PM shipments badly).

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His motto seems to be: think big, talk big, act big. It's what bitcoin needs (the middle part is optional, but doesn't hurt). As long as he doesn't despise the small business I (and other might) have with him, I cannot attribute him with arrogance, either.

I don't despise anyone, but for the reasons outlined above, I am not very keen on doing small business anymore. The micro-silver-deals that I made in March, were just to gain some postcount really. I think I made a loss on them, but I write it off as marketing expense. In reality I do, and want to do, deals that net me in excess of 10-20,000mBTC per hour invested. With such wages, I don't need to work much to be able to maintain my lifestyle. I urge the others also to be content with what they have, and if not, buy some bitcoins while they still are cheap.

Happy trading! <3
6993  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 08, 2013, 04:35:27 AM
What.  Out of all possibilities a few hours ago, this one seemed the most unlikely.

It is called a "cup-and-handle". It is a very bullish formation.

I will be able to post a summary of my trades in Gox in 5.-7. May to this thread if it is deemed to be orderly, and there is at least some public demand. I am quite satisfied with the outcome, and would like the others to learn the secrets as well. Please don't contact me personally if you are not willing and/or able to pay my consulting fee of 10,000mBTC/hour, prepaid in the increments of 15 minutes.
6994  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 07, 2013, 03:54:20 PM

Thank you for all the coins. Rpietila has bought 2,500,000mBTC, left the trading desk, and will join the guests in his conference.

Speaking of oneself in the third person is a bad sign indeed, my friend Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Oh, forgot to add:
- I will always quote in minicoins (mBTC) from now on
- I don't think we see $0.1 ever again
- I can still write puts for $0.1, PM me
- If you want to know, how much I made and how, it will be a workshop case study in my conference
6995  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 07, 2013, 03:47:03 PM

Thank you for all the coins. Rpietila has bought 2,500,000mBTC, left the trading desk, and will join the guests in his conference.
6996  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: May 07, 2013, 08:30:27 AM
Well, some people play percentage game and they rather have 10k coins than 5k. Cause the former means a place among the 80 wealthiest, and the latter is only a G160 ticket  Cheesy

Yes I get that... although if you ( for example ) have 1000 coins,  I don't think you will care.  Thats why I don't get you playing around onthis forum about buying at 80, 86 , 95 or 120. Even at your lowest estimate of 100K per coin, who cares if one made 99,915  or 98,980 $ per coin?.   If one believes in a more moderate estimate of around 1000$, well... then there is more reason to care.

Don't say you get that and then prove that you don't.  Cheesy

Only about 1.5M coins are in fiat-denominated hands like yours. Almost 10 million coins are in coin-denominated hands like mine. I do care if I earn 10,000BTC with skilful trading before it shoots up, but I don't care a shit whether USDBTC will go to $5M or $1M, because both will be unsustainable long term.

I do get it- you want to beat Carlos Slim.
Please explain "fiat denominated hands" ...

Sorry I have work about 2-3 hours. Get back to you..
6997  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 07, 2013, 08:26:30 AM
Okei jätkät, nyt mennään  Grin
6998  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: May 07, 2013, 08:20:34 AM
Well, some people play percentage game and they rather have 10k coins than 5k. Cause the former means a place among the 80 wealthiest, and the latter is only a G160 ticket  Cheesy

Yes I get that... although if you ( for example ) have 1000 coins,  I don't think you will care.  Thats why I don't get you playing around onthis forum about buying at 80, 86 , 95 or 120. Even at your lowest estimate of 100K per coin, who cares if one made 99,915  or 98,980 $ per coin?.   If one believes in a more moderate estimate of around 1000$, well... then there is more reason to care.

Don't say you get that and then prove that you don't.  Cheesy

Only about 1.5M coins are in fiat-denominated hands like yours. Almost 10 million coins are in coin-denominated hands like mine. I do care if I earn 10,000BTC with skilful trading before it shoots up, but I don't care a shit whether USDBTC will go to $5M or $1M, because both will be unsustainable long term.
6999  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 07, 2013, 08:16:56 AM
For the average Joe, Bitcoin is not any more a train about to leave the station.

Make that: "For the average Joe, Bitcoin is not yet a train about to leave the station."

- But it will be. If not this month, then the next. I called a 1-3 month consolidation in 100-120 area before a supermove up. We are right there even now, 4 weeks after the bubble burst. If I panic buy at 144 meanwhile, it is my own problem.

It has plenty of time to go to sub-$100 in May. Even as of this writing, there is $500k bid volume to 102, which is so pathetic that if I show a wall of 1k coins like I did yesterday, it will crash right here and now. It takes about 45 mins to send the coins.
7000  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: May 07, 2013, 08:07:13 AM
If we do not breach 95, we have a bullish pattern. If we do breach it, then we will go sub-79.

If we do not breach 66, then we are heading up. If we do breach it, then we crash to 50.

If 50 holds, it is very bullish. If not, I am puzzled. 50 is the line of defence that should hold.

Conclusion: everything that can realistically happen is bullish now. Only "problem" is that if you buy at 100 and you could have bought next week at 50, you net half the amount of coins + feel stupid in the process.

Who cares if  a coin will be worth 1M $ ?  Wink

Well, some people play percentage game and they rather have 10k coins than 5k. Cause the former means a place among the 80 wealthiest, and the latter is only a G160 ticket  Cheesy
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