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701  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 13, 2014, 11:05:30 AM
Rather concerned that miningpool.co seems to be down

One of my favourite pools - hope all is well...

I have no idea as to why, no affiliation. Perhaps message ethought, as far as I know it is his pool, or see if there is a support thread or twitter with updates?

I hope miningpool.co has no impact on the release of Bitmark later, that would be sad.
702  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 13, 2014, 10:17:52 AM
The genesis block has been found, with a timestamp of 18:00:41, and the message "13/July/2014, with memory of the past, we look to the future."

Everything is ready for launch, with some hours spare.
703  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 13, 2014, 01:21:24 AM
Update

The client is ready for release tomorrow. The genesis block is not, I have 48 cores looking for it, it will be found.

I read a post a moment ago, which sums up why we are making Bitmark, so that people need not make posts like this.

This is our first goal, to ensure that people who want to adopt Bitmark, can adopt it easily.
704  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 12, 2014, 04:00:55 PM

Thank you for creating this, a few people are in all ready.

Funding
I had forgotten to include the server setup fee in the original amount needed, as such we were 0.0825 BTC short.
I covered this from my own very limited funds. If anybody would like to replace this, I would be very grateful, as my own finances are very tightly balanced in order to do this project.
More details on donating can be found on the first page.
705  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 12, 2014, 03:33:23 PM

For real time discussion, yes let's create #bitmark in freenode.

Either a forum on the Bitmark website or perhaps another thread here on bitcointalk might work for the discussion part of it.

We have already proved it possible to have useful discussions on bitcointalk. One thread may not be enough.
We can prefix discussion threads with [BITMARK] and post them under alternative currencies.
This should work for the time being. It is good to keep discussion in a place which is active, if we need our own distinct discussion forum later we can create it then.

Thank you, these are all reasonable suggestions which we can utilize quickly.

Github and Trello for organization.
Bitcointalk and reddit for open discussion.
IRC for real time discussion.
Website, twitter and the usual things for those who wish to keep updated but not necessarily engaged.
706  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 12, 2014, 03:16:24 PM
https://trello.com/ is free and can be good for project organization.

Thank you, I will look in to this. Pandher also just suggested this too.

Telegram is good. https://telegram.org/

It is very important that discussion is open to everyone. We can use IRC for real time discussions when needed as you suggested, with a logger.

But I don't think it is going to help us when it comes to continuing discussion.

Yes we need open discussion where the community is aware of what is being discussed and can engage as they wish.
707  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 12, 2014, 02:45:54 PM
This thread may get cluttered after tomorrow, we should discuss how and where to host future discussions of the quality so far.

Maybe basecamp or something similar to discuss the project?

This is a zero budget project where our only resource is time and thought, basecamp require payment, so perhaps something similar but free.

I am glad you suggested something which is good for collaboration and organizing projects, rather than a forum, that will keep us all focussed and productive.

Top Of Page Links
1. Last project update and release time.
2. Clarifications
708  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CoinShield - SK-1024 GPU| Prime CPU| POS | Shitcoin Cleanup| Unified Time on: July 12, 2014, 02:33:50 PM
Block Reward [Developers]:1 * e^(-0.00000059 * nHeight * [Chain Time Modular]) + 0.04
And with that... this coin is dead to me.

Too bad, was a damn decent idea.  Sad to see it abused by another greedy developer.

I hope CoinShield is the first coin that this project tried to destroy, lol.

I checked this at length earlier in the project, here is how it works out (1.6-2.7% which averages to about 2% over all) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=657601.msg7409023#msg7409023


you could easily say a good dev team with a good project would still profit without an ipo/premine/etc.

Exactly, we have worked out a model that requires no taxation, premine, ipo, instamine or anything of the kind for Bitmark, discussed it at length and adopted it. There are other ways.

We could not implement taxation as it would break compatibility with existing software which we cannot do on our own project, so had to abandon it.

However CoinSheild does not have this problem as it is innovation focused with no backwards compatibility to be concerned with, so taxation will work here.

I personally feel sub 1% (0.25% even) would be better, but 2% is not so bad, and if it does not become hugely successful there is nothing at stake, value will be earned here through hard work which is the most important thing.
709  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Cooperative Proof-of-Stake - CPoS on: July 12, 2014, 02:29:55 PM
Why not use the wiki feature on github?

This is a good idea, and the approach I am taking with Bitmark.
710  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 12, 2014, 02:09:45 PM
Maybe I missed it,  but where can I download the qt?

And I am considering to donate,  but therefore I need a bitmark wallet address or can that be given later?

And good luck tomorrow with this marvelous project!

Bitmark QT, daemon, and cli for 32bit and 64bit versions of Linux, Windows, and Mac will be posted here tomorrow at the release time.

Nobody has early access, including the one confirmed pool (miningpool.co), I am unsure what time ethought plans to release Bitmark on this pool, I expect shortly after release.

We have already had a test run with a cross compiled pre-release and tested successfully on all platforms.

A Bitmark Foundation address for BTM donations will also be specified at release time.
For now the BTC donation address is 18rai2ichzUfXG6PVmUQLNPqBjtctnVRAD, all donations will be used according to the IPM proposal.

Thank you for your kind comments emdje, they are appreciated.

Tomorrow is historically a sad day marking the anniversary of the death of a loved one, I look forward to both being occupied and having something good to associate with this date instead.

I sincerely hope that the valuable discussion continues after the first release, for that is when we really get to work at making Bitmark what it intends to be.

This thread may get cluttered after tomorrow, we should discuss how and where to host future discussions of the quality so far.
711  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 12, 2014, 12:24:43 PM
Bitmark Release is 2014-07-13 at 18:00 UTC
The community has decided, Bitmark will be released at 18:00 UTC on 2014-07-13. Tomorrow.

Branding Allow is producing some very fine work for Bitmark, not only what you see above but also a home page for the website. I will re-brand the client using his proposed work today.

Jays Jerky and Goodies deepcoreotc has kindly offered to donate 20% of his online sales profits to the bitmark foundation. This is very admirable.
I would like to remind him and all of you, that any donations will follow the IPM model. The donation will be used to hire mining rigs to support the network, and he will receive 95% of the bitmarks mined, 5% will go to the foundation. I hope his kind offer and belief in the project will therefore pay him dividends in the future.

is 30mhs too fast for the development?

It is better to launch with a difficulty too high than too low. If it is too high the first blocks will be mined slower, which will be novel for the launch a new currency. If it is too low, the difficulty can increase up to 4 times.
The value was chosen to be a reasonable starting difficulty, and to ensure the first change is fairly accurate.
Since the block reward maturity is 721 confirmations, there will be no bitmarks available to transfer until after the first difficulty change, so speed of those blocks does not matter.

Thank you for the many kind words, and the many pages of useful discussion.

Seed Nodes If anybody plans to have a bitmark node running on a server, and knows the fixed ip in advance, can you let me know so I can add it to the seed list before release. We have three so far.

It would be nice to also have a TOR node which accepted IP transactions, and an IPv6 node.

712  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 11, 2014, 10:15:38 PM
We have had a counter proposal for the logo from Allow



Icon: https://i.imgur.com/PkADUkO.png
Black: https://i.imgur.com/JqgTn4R.png
White: https://i.imgur.com/dZKspOT.png
1024x1024: https://i.imgur.com/GRu6e4c.png
metal coin: https://i.imgur.com/sc9o7UD.png

Bitmark Release Time
You decide, tick the date and time you want bitmark to be released and enter your forum username: http://doodle.com/bvva2sa38nduicwz - no login or sign up required.

In 12 hours the top choice will be the release time.

Seed Nodes
If anybody plans to have a bitmark node running on a server, and knows the fixed ip in advance, can you let me know so I can add it to the seed list before release. We have three so far.

It would be nice to also have a TOR node which accepted IP transactions, and an IPv6 node.
713  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 11, 2014, 09:25:53 PM
Bitmark Release Time
You decide, tick the date and time you want and enter your forum username: http://doodle.com/bvva2sa38nduicwz - no login or sign up required.

In 12 hours the top choice will be the release time.

------------------------

Request
If anybody plans to have a bitmark node running on a server, and knows the fixed ip in advance, can you let me know so I can add it to the seed list before release.
172.31.31.10

Thank you, anyone else?
714  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 11, 2014, 08:39:05 PM
Perhaps we can make a polite request that Bitmark is not added to any exchange before the community decides it's time.

Tolerance, people will do what they like, including trade via spread sheet in a forum, and add it to exchanges. We are not actively seeking any of these things, yet they will come.

If we can keep focussed on our plans, instead of worrying about hash rates and prices, we stand a chance of doing what we plan to do.
715  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 11, 2014, 08:11:29 PM
The problem I see here, is there are no incentives for larger hashrates to join the network, which potentially hurts security.

Can't we mitigate this with merged mining?

Yes, new alt coins can merge mine bitmark to strengthen the network further Smiley

I hope the network will earn it's hash power, as with every other element of the project.

Request
If anybody plans to have a bitmark node running on a server, and knows the fixed ip in advance, can you let me know so I can add it to the seed list before release.

Thank you.
716  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 11, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
A new coin minus greed = satoshis original plan. Good work and the best of luck

Thank you.

What stops major hash power from mining at low difficulty, then jumping off when it goes up? Nothing except that they have to wait 720 confirms to get their coins. But when they do that the difficulty goes back down in a day. They mine another coin for that time and when bitmark difficulty drops they hit it again. Accumulating low difficulty coins would be fairly simple, just tedious because they need to switch the miners every difficulty spike.

It might just be unavoidable no matter what it is done. But I'd hope that any of that happening has little to no effect on the long term health of Bitmark.

That is my thinking also, we can try to limit the risks of particular actions, but we cannot stop or prevent them. Somebody may add and remove 1GH, dump 10k bitmarks, permanently add 1GH, buy 10k bitmarks..

The more we focus on natural growth in every aspect the project, the harder each of these actions will be.

If there are any additional steps we can take, let us discuss them as a community and see if they work.

I feel most solutions are to these potential problems are social.

For now, nobody can mine or dump. Soon people can mine but have no where to dump, later there may be some value, and some dumping may happen. We can frame any future dumping as distribution, and early adopters taking some reward. Only if we are successful in earning value.

I hope those that add a small amount to the project over a long period of time will be rewarded most. Miners included.
717  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: how should coin developers be remunerated? on: July 11, 2014, 06:02:42 PM
For those following this thread, we have discovered an additional benefit to the IPM proposal.

[Gavin] felt that it was important for him and his family that he was able to earn a steady income from Bitcoin development which was the main reason the foundation was created.

I also feel the same about the Bitmark foundation, both for myself and others who join the project.
718  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PROPOSAL: An alternative to IPO for PoW coins on: July 11, 2014, 05:30:58 PM
We have discovered an additional benefit to this proposal.
719  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 11, 2014, 05:26:31 PM
I tend to be sensitive on the hash-rape issue, because I've been mining CasinoCoin off and on Since December, and it has been a huge issue for us.

I have just realized that the IPM proposal addresses this issue.

As the investors would also be indirectly mining and providing a percentage of the network power. Any such drop off in hashing would be partially mitigated by the percentage of power provided by the investors. As it is variable, calculated daily to be 35%(tbc) of the needed power, not a limited resource like that of the core miners.

This would strengthen the overall value of the coin and it's security, whilst removing the difficulty volatility issue for long term miners.

Since the IPM is always open, people could invest as a vote of confidence and rescue the situation for miners and users, whilst earning btm, and while supporting continued development.

Miners, investors, and developers all working together with their respected assets.

 Smiley
720  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 11, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
Yet we can take some comfort in the fact that a block time even 5x higher than the target 2 minutes is still only 10 minutes, which is reasonable and works for bitcoin, 10x higher is 20 minutes, it is not insufferable.
When you're talking a block at a time, no, 5x longer (10 minutes instead of 2) is not a big deal. But, when you consider that the difficulty won't retarget for 720 blocks, you're looking at 5 days instead of 1. That is a significant difference.

In another thread, somebody has commented:
You want to attract miners that believe in the coin and hold it.

This leads me to the question: if the core miners "believe in the coin and hold it", why would 5 days for a retarget be a big issue?
I hope we never see such a thing and want to avoid it too, but the question is valid.

I tend to be sensitive on the hash-rape issue, because I've been mining CasinoCoin off and on Since December, and it has been a huge issue for us. (edit:) And keep in mind, most of this is before scrypt asics were even available to the public.

http://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/casinocoin-network-hashrate-chart

Original coin - Scrypt algo, with 30 second blocks and 720 block retarget:
I think now is the time to start discussing the possibility of altering the difficulty adjustment for CasinoCoin. Currently, the difficulty adjust occurs every 720 blocks. Theoretically, with the 30-second block times, this is adjustment is supposed to occur every 6 hours. But with the multipool effect and swings in hashrates, I've seen it take 15+ hours for the next adjustment to occur. I'm considering cutting down the difficulty adjustment down to 1/6th from 720 blocks to 120 blocks. I will make a separate post in order to propose this change and get others thoughts before proceeding.

After implementing Kimoto Gravity Well:
Argh, didn't find a block for like 34 hours now... Sad

Even with DigiShield:
Difficulty is way off and needs fixing ....

The last 30 days there should have been about: 30 * 24 * 60 * 2 = 86400 blocks. In reallity there where about 48320 from block 488600 to 536920. That is about 60% of what it should be. I get a lot of complaints from miners that they do not get as much coins as the expect to get, not sure what the cause is but this should improve!

Finding blocks is a random event, due to this randomness a sampling over a longer time period will be more accurate than one over a shorter time period. KGW and DS both show this to be true. Blocks are supposed to be found evenly on average, not one every x minutes. Your examples show the rationale on why I chose not to use either of these for Bitmark. Thank you.

This is similar to a 51% attack, where a bad actor can acquire more hashing power than the network collectively. Only a strong distributed network of hash power can achieve this. In the future I am less concerned as Bitmark is configured to encourage hash power distribution.

In the immediate future, the short term, all we can try to do is disincentive this from happening. The block reward maturity being longer than the difficulty change combined with no inflated value.

If there are any other social or technical things we can do to mitigate the risk of this over the first few months, they would be good to know.

We could always increase the block reward maturity further, to be 2 days, or even 7. That would ensure only those who "believe in the coin and hold it" would mine, but may be detrimental on the crashes. Hoarding will occur, there will be big sells in the future, we do not want to drive away miners when this happens, as that would cause a death spiral.

Balance is hard to achieve.
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