It does not solve the problem.  Criminals will always prey on the helpless and innocent.  Doesn't matter whether criminals are in government or "free lance", they will do so.  Guns give the helpless and innocent a way to protect themselves from both types of enemies.  Stripping their God given right to defend themselves from oppressive enemies does not solve the problem.

If you're so concerned about education and gun safety, promote it.

Seriously?  You're repeating what I said earlier.

Your definition of "responsible" gun ownership is to not allow them to have it.

A gun is a tool, nothing more, nothing less.

understood. my moral code stems solely from my own intuition as well though i dont have any qualms about calling it morality. when someone says wrong in a context like this i just assume it to mean immoral so it works, i just prefer morality because its more specific. wrong tends to deal more with the objective, like does two plus two equal three. where as moral and immoral deals explicitly in the realm of subjectivity.

no.

These are absolute rules on gun safety, no finger inside the trigger guard. Never point in someone direction.  Always assume it loaded.  Etc.

Ignorance breeds accidents.  

a quote..

"The American people have been easily ruled through our propaganda that the pen is mightier than the sword. We virtually get away with murder, and all the goy do is to talk about it, which is ineffective since we, the masters of propaganda, always publish a contradicting account.

If the Aryan would review history and apply those lessons of the past, then the pen will be thrown down in disgust and the sword wielded in the heat of passion. (A recurrence to history would edify our minds and show us that the European countries solved their Jewish problem only by use of force.)

Thus far, we have escaped the sword, when the only reprisal is some periodical of no repute, or some pamphlet with limited circulation. Their pen is no match for ours, but our constant fear is that they may open their eyes and learn that no change was ever brought about with a pen.

History has been written in blood, not with ink. No letter, editorial or book has ever rallied the people or stopped tyranny. We understand this principle and are continually propagandizing the people to write letters to the President, to Congress and to their local media.

We are safe to continually exploit, intimidate and disenfranchise the white American as long as they are preoccupied with the illusion of educating the masses through printed material. Woe be unto us if they ever see the futility of it, lay down the pen and employ the sword."

A citizen is a free person who resides in a country where the government rightfully fears its citizens.

A subject is a slave who thinks he is at least somewhat free who resides in a country where he rightfully fears his government.

The most dangerous entities in the world are governments.  More people have died at the hand of governments than any other entity, probably every other entity combined. 

I feel sorry for you if you trust yours. 

BTW, thanks for proving my point about repeating the same thing over and over and over again.

I don't know if widows does it or not, but I guess I should have said this was using iTunes and iPhoto (which seem to have their own trash bins in addition to the system one), so it is apple programs which I have a beef with. I don't care how crappy Windows is, pointing out how other people's product is just as bad is not a way to make yours look better.

No kidding?  I didn't know guns killed people!  My god, how could we let guns be invented at all!    So your point is, "Resistance is futile so why make it any harder for the opposition?"  Noted.



And the rest of this post is mostly to mock you--there's your warning.

Its very simple if people have knives they will use them and using here means KILLING people.

Its very simple if people have piano wire they will use them and using here means KILLING people.

Its very simple if people have metal chains they will use them and using here means KILLING people.

Its very simple if people have prescription drugs they will use them and using here means KILLING themselves.

Its very simple if people have heavy tools they will use them and using here means KILLING people.

Its very simple if people have really loud guitars they will play them and playing here means SLAYING people.

Its very simple if murderers have eyes they will use them and using here means FINDING PEOPLE...to kill.

Its very simple if the state has guns they will use them and using here means KILLING people.

Its very simple if police officers have guns criminals will take them and they will use them and using here means KILLING people.
Ah, fuck it: Its very simple if police officers have guns they will use them and using here means KILLING people.

Its very simple if people have 3D printers they will use them and using here means printing guns and then KILLING people.

Its very simple if people have hands they will use them on guns and using here means KILLING people.

Its very simple if guns have people they will use them and using here means KILLING guns with people.

Its very simple if people have keyboards they will use them and using here means writing about KILLING people.

Its very simple if people have large pets they will use them and using here means KILLING people.  And if pet owners tie their pets down with metal chains...

Its very simple if people have a blackbelt they will use their fists of fury and using here means KILLING people.

And the obligatory:

It's very simple: if people have guns, they will use them, and using here means killing people.

Another thing that annoys me about Apple products: when I import mp3 files off my recorder or pictures off my camera and delete the originals, they go to the trash bin and still take up space on the device. So I thought I had cleared off my memory and was ready to get a bunch of time recording, but then it stopped after a couple minutes, totally ruined my recording of my wife's recital because the memory card was full. Later I found out I had to clear the trash bin, but recording that moment was missed. Not sure if it is apples fault, but they seem like a good person to blame.

You also reference the official stories about publicized mass murders.  I'm sure you've heard the expression, "How can you tell if a politician is lying?  When his lips are moving."  I doubt most things the government says, ESPECIALLY official stories that back the party line.

Anyhow, federal control is a bad idea no matter how you look at it.  First of all, as I stated, the problem isn't guns, it's the lack of morality.  Second of all, there are plenty of laws around unlawful gun use, and most people know the justice system is a joke.  Enforce the laws you have, and stop trying to restrict law abiding citizens from their God given right because of what criminals do.

Your argument is flawed, and you seem incapable of doing anything than repeating it over and over and over again.

Actually, I have no difficulty at all.  Assuming that you agree that "criminal" is a product of the legal code, and not your personal opinion.  Given that, the standard rule would be that a person legally buys a gun, then if and when he knowingly transfers it to someone who is not eligible to own it, he has committed a crime.  

Thus a non criminal passed a gun to a criminal, becoming a criminal at that instant.

But your fancy talk doesn't help or solve the fundamentals of the human condition that create on occasion, the dire necessities which simply require firearms.  And in such a case, my friend, your fancy words are worthless, and the police are usually far away.

I'm curious do you think you are clever?  If so you could actually read the statutes and you'd get an idea pretty quick how the law works. 

What is certain is that you...or I....don't make the rules or the "right or wrong" up on the spot. 

this is the defintion that google gives and i think its pretty good: The power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint. I mean you are free to define any word you like any way you like but i think this is much closer to what most people mean when they use the word than "the lack of bad stuff, or relatively more good stuff, as claimed by the people talking about it"

Criminals are armed in Russia almost as equally well, even though Russia has very strict gun control laws.

I'm certainly glad that we have felony level statutes to prevent the provisioning of guns to criminals by law-abiding citizens. 

Thus it would seem pretty clear - criminals arm criminals.

Thieves arm criminals of course.