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701  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama administration says the world’s servers are ours on: July 15, 2014, 06:22:00 PM
The "Bush/Obama" Adm. has been going more and more aggressive with their desire to control whatever they wish to & the "fuck it" attitude its had to foreign/international laws, especially from what the Snowden docs & torture memos have shown. It has become apparent that the gov't is now "above the law" and do as it wishes. Shame there isn't a retired cop who was brutally scared by a shot to the face, and had to have a new face created, who goes after those who operate "above the law" to bring them to justice.....and has one badass high-tech car to aide him on his lone ranger-style quest.......
702  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Saturated fats are not bad for you. on: July 15, 2014, 06:10:17 PM
The high consumption of sodas (and sugar added "juices") and fried potatoes and trans-fat laden processed foods is what makes people fat .Obesity is tied with global climate change. Even the global cooling hiccup is factored in there.
Fried potatoes are fine if they're fried in saturated fats (coconut, palm, butter, tallow, lard, duck fat, etc). BTW beef tallow is far and away the superior choice among what you listed.
703  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 15, 2014, 05:45:19 PM
and
Amend Constitution to explicitly ban corporations and other liability-shielding business structures from being considered to have Constittuional rights

Allow government regulators a stipend and a job in human resources and ban them from taking any private sector job that is not far removed from any business sectors that they regulated in their government position for a period of 4 years.

Amend the Constitution to set a lower limit on the reserve ratio of private banks to 40%.
This implicitly gets rid of corporate income tax. It's stupid that entities other than individual humans were ever considered to have Constitutional rights.
It doesn't implictly get rid of anything. Corporations are legal fictions, and are subject to whatever legalities that legislators want to come up for them.

It's silly to think taxation of an organization and Constitutional rights are somehow inseparable.
Well, it's a matter of logistics. If the corporation is not autonomous insofar as it does not shield individuals from liability, then individual owners become liable for the taxes. This, by definition, renders corporate income tax a contradiction of terms. In other words, the income of the corporation would constitute income for the individuals who own the corporation. Ergo, they pay individual income tax on the gains, not a corporate income tax. Even if you call it "corporate income tax," it's still, conceptually, an individual income tax unless you're holding the corporation uniquely liable for its taxes as distinguished and separate from the liabilities of the individual owners.
Yes, that last sentence is easily possible.
Corporations exist solely due to charters granted by government. If you want to tax them as distinct entities, it is hardly a difficult matter to legislate -- it very certainly does not require that any Constitutional rights be granted to them.
Oh, I just realized your initial post said to ban them from having constitutional rights, not to ban liability shields entirely.
704  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 15, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
and
Amend Constitution to explicitly ban corporations and other liability-shielding business structures from being considered to have Constittuional rights

Allow government regulators a stipend and a job in human resources and ban them from taking any private sector job that is not far removed from any business sectors that they regulated in their government position for a period of 4 years.

Amend the Constitution to set a lower limit on the reserve ratio of private banks to 40%.
This implicitly gets rid of corporate income tax. It's stupid that entities other than individual humans were ever considered to have Constitutional rights.
It doesn't implictly get rid of anything. Corporations are legal fictions, and are subject to whatever legalities that legislators want to come up for them.

It's silly to think taxation of an organization and Constitutional rights are somehow inseparable.
What's to prevent governments from banning certain organisations it deems nasty--like your typical union or non profit? Or your newspaper?
And Rigon,so no more PIRGS? Ralph Nader would be unamused.
The right of actual humans to peaceably assemble.
Of course, a corporation is NOT a human -- it is explicitly detached from any particular human. It should be subject to exactly nothing more than the privileges a legislature grants in the charter -- it certainly shouldn't be the case where a piece of paper in a govt filing cabinet is successfully claiming to have a religion.
Okay but why should a newspaper have the right to freedom of the press? It's not an individual.
705  Other / Politics & Society / Saturated fats are not bad for you. on: July 15, 2014, 05:31:53 PM
High fat ketogenic and Atkins diets vindicated as saturated fat declared healthy

The war on dietary fat may finally be over, as scientists now concede they were wrong to say saturated fat was unhealthy for the past four decades, Time magazine trumpeted. The admission vindicates the high-fat, low-carb ketogenic and Atkins diets, whose proponents have said all along that eating fat does not make you fat.

In a provocative cover story, Time said the 40-year demonization of saturated fat as the cause of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease was based on flawed data, citing a March 2014 Cambridge University study published in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

“It’s not saturated fat we should worry about," said cardiologist Dr. Rajiv Chowdhury, lead author of the study. "It’s the high-carb or sugary diet that should be the focus of dietary guidelines.”

Dr. Chowdhury joins a growing list of medical experts to dispel the myth that saturated fat is the cause of obesity, diabetes, high cholesterol, and cardiovascular disease. A high-carb diet — particularly one high in sugar and refined carbs — is to blame for these illnesses, he said.

Chowdhury and his colleagues drew their conclusions after reviewing data from 72 published studies of more than 600,000 people from 18 countries. Chowdhury is not the only heart doctor who holds this opinion. Cardiologist Dr. William Davis, author of Wheat Belly, said a low-carb, high-fat diet reverses type 2 diabetes and prevents heart disease.

'Anti-Fat Crusade Was Driven By Corporate Greed'

In October 2013, cardiologist Aseem Malhotra rocked the nutrition world with his declaration that saturated fat is good for you.

In a BMJ commentary, Dr. Malhotra said there's no evidence that unprocessed saturated fat causes heart attacks, obesity or diabetes. If anything, he said consuming healthy fats (like those found in grass-fed meat, nuts, coconut oil, butter, olive oil, salmon and avocados) protect against these diseases.

According to Malhotra, the anti-fat crusade stemmed from greed on the part of food corporations who profited from shilling their low-fat, high-carb snacks.

"The food industry has profited from the low-fat mantra for decades because foods that are marketed as low-fat are often loaded with sugar," he said. "We are now learning that added sugar in food is driving the obesity epidemic and the rise in diabetes and cardiovascular disease.”

Low-Carb Diets Curb Pro-Inflammatory Insulin Spikes

Investigative journalist Nina Teicholz agrees. The true cause of heart disease and weight gain is a high-carb, sugar-rich diet, said Teicholz, author of The Big Fat Surprise.

According to Teicholz, eating too much refined carbs and not enough unprocessed fat is what has led to the tsunami of overweight, diabetic, sick Americans.

Teicholz echoed the sentiments of science journalist Gary Taubes, who has long argued that fat has been wrongly blamed for causing obesity and other degenerative diseases. Taubes detailed his research in his No. 1 bestseller, Why We Get Fat.

According to obesity experts, a high-carb diet promotes disease and weight gain by causing pro-inflammatory spikes in blood glucose and blood insulin. By limiting those surges in blood sugar, we dramatically reduce inflammation, which is what fuels disease, they say.

Eating Fat Makes You Skinny and Healthy

Obesity expert Dr. Eric Westman said low-carb, high-fat eating plans like the ketogenic and Atkins diets not only spur rapid weight loss, but combat epilepsy, type 2 diabetes, and heart diseases.

Dr. Jeff Volek, author of The Art and Science of Low-Carbohydrate Living, told me the ketogenic diet can also improve mood and reduce inflammation. Volek said the LCHF ketogenic diet is beneficial both for elite endurance athletes and the average sedentary individual.

"There are very few people that a ketogenic diet could not help," said Dr. Volek, who has followed the ketogenic diet for the past 20 years.

Dr. Westman, director of the Duke University Obesity Clinic, has helped hundreds of morbidly obese individuals lose thousands of pounds on the ketogenic and Atkins diets. He is pleased that mainstream media is finally debunking the myth that eating fat makes you fat and sick. To the contrary, he said: Eating fat makes you skinny and healthy.

"I tell my patients not to fear the fat," said Dr. Westman, author of A New Atkins for a New You. "Eat lots of fat. Fat makes you feel full. There's no problem with fat. In fact, saturated fat — the fat that we've been taught not to eat — raises your good cholesterol best of all the foods you can eat."


http://www.examiner.com/article/satu...ing-time-cover
706  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What should be taxed? on: July 15, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
Consumption should be tax...but wait we already have that and is called VAT....But a true consumption-tax system would entail something much different from simply layering a VAT on top of the current income tax. One way to think of a consumption-tax system is simply as an income tax that allows unlimited deductions for savings and that taxes all withdrawals from savings, much like independent retirement accounts.
707  Other / Off-topic / Re: Facebook analyzed World Cup posts to see which countries type "goooal" the longe on: July 15, 2014, 05:24:47 PM
oh shit i just saw that venezuela averaged 12.9 extra characters. their venezuelan sample size would have been like 2 tho because internet is so shoddy there ...
I noticed that too. One of the few things they have to be excited about these days. I guess they really need the extra o's.

Side note: Venezuela scored dead last on Foreign Policy's 2014 investment return index the other day (out of those countries with data).
708  Other / Off-topic / Facebook analyzed World Cup posts to see which countries type "goooal" the longe on: July 15, 2014, 05:09:43 PM
(To be clear, they factored in other languages as well, see below.)

    Facebook has analyzed posts during the World Cup to see which countries celebrate goals the “loudest”—that is, add the most characters when typing the words “goal” in English, “gol” in Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese, “golo” in European Portuguese, and “tor” in German. (While other languages have their own written words for soccer goals—such as ゴール in Japanese or ประตู in Thai—Facebook says those are the only four where they saw “significant use of redundant characters in exuberant posts.”)

    Among countries whose teams participated in this year’s World Cup, Mexico celebrated the most joyously, adding an average 6.6 extra characters per gol, not including punctuation. Overall, Venezuela, despite not fielding its own team, took the gooooooooooooool title, adding an average 12.9 extra characters.
http://qz.com/229553/these-are-the-w...t-on-facebook/
709  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 15, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
and
Amend Constitution to explicitly ban corporations and other liability-shielding business structures from being considered to have Constittuional rights

Allow government regulators a stipend and a job in human resources and ban them from taking any private sector job that is not far removed from any business sectors that they regulated in their government position for a period of 4 years.

Amend the Constitution to set a lower limit on the reserve ratio of private banks to 40%.
This implicitly gets rid of corporate income tax. It's stupid that entities other than individual humans were ever considered to have Constitutional rights.
It doesn't implictly get rid of anything. Corporations are legal fictions, and are subject to whatever legalities that legislators want to come up for them.

It's silly to think taxation of an organization and Constitutional rights are somehow inseparable.
Well, it's a matter of logistics. If the corporation is not autonomous insofar as it does not shield individuals from liability, then individual owners become liable for the taxes. This, by definition, renders corporate income tax a contradiction of terms. In other words, the income of the corporation would constitute income for the individuals who own the corporation. Ergo, they pay individual income tax on the gains, not a corporate income tax. Even if you call it "corporate income tax," it's still, conceptually, an individual income tax unless you're holding the corporation uniquely liable for its taxes as distinguished and separate from the liabilities of the individual owners.
710  Economy / Digital goods / Re: 1-Year Xbox Live [35$] [FAST DELIVERY] [ESCROW ACCEPTED] on: July 15, 2014, 04:46:27 PM

Ill take one but wannna use a escrower
711  Economy / Services / Re: WE PAY FOR SIGNATURE EVEN MORE. UP TO 0.0016 BTCs PER POST. W on: July 15, 2014, 04:42:57 PM
If anybody have not been paid or have any questions, please right it right there or in to the personal messages, we don't want to be a scammers and owe money someone, but I understand that some errors can be made during the campaign processing.

You are acting in a good way, this is how it should be,
I sent you pm since friday and you dint respond, you dint pay me and i changed my sign Thursday, one day before you paid, im in the innitial confirmed users list , you owe me around 200 posts.
my address in on profile.

see this member didnt get paid and many others
712  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 15, 2014, 04:38:15 PM
and
Amend Constitution to explicitly ban corporations and other liability-shielding business structures from being considered to have Constittuional rights

Allow government regulators a stipend and a job in human resources and ban them from taking any private sector job that is not far removed from any business sectors that they regulated in their government position for a period of 4 years.

Amend the Constitution to set a lower limit on the reserve ratio of private banks to 40%.
This implicitly gets rid of corporate income tax. It's stupid that entities other than individual humans were ever considered to have Constitutional rights.
713  Economy / Services / Re: [0/6 avail.] UPFRONT PAYMENTS FOR YOUR SIGNATURE - Limited offer. | lunamine.com on: July 15, 2014, 04:21:44 PM
OOP I dont understand I clicked on your sig ref link and it doesnt redirect to any website, not just mine but all ur advertisers
714  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 15, 2014, 04:19:43 PM
Just a thought...

Do any of you with American Enemy Obama bumper stickers on your cars expect Americans, those of us with Emergency Medical Training to actually stop at any car wreck in which you may be involved?

Just curious!
715  Economy / Services / Re: WE PAY FOR SIGNATURE EVEN MORE. UP TO 0.0016 BTCs PER POST. W on: July 15, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
I did not get my .33 btc from last month still, I sent you message

My Btc Address is on my profile please show my tx ID that you made payment there?
716  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Thoughts on religion for a Sunday morning on: July 15, 2014, 04:12:03 PM
As I've pretty steadily maintained, I consider myself an atheist with hopes of some form of dualistic universe.

That said, when I read a lot of non-religious persons, I get a real dog in the manger sense from them: "I can't profit from faith, so I'll be damned if I'll grant you the right to do so: I'll tear it down every chance, every instance I get, I'll characterize those who possess faith as being weak in mind and weak in soul, unable to face life with a man in the sky blah blah blah. I'll find the easiest things to poke holes in, evolution or the age of the earth, and use them to claim that if you don't agree with science you must be a cretin unworthy of being listened to on any subject." I know that when I get frustrated even I am tempted, and probably do sometimes, go that route.

But I really do think that there is a case to be made that the life of an atheist has to be fundamentally bleaker than that of a true possessor of faith, if by bleak we mean less rich in an emotional context.

To me, it is another of life's deals. None of us get to have it all. One of the things we don't get is to experience is BOTH the fullness of our intellectual capacity AND the potential fullness of our emotional capacity, because one MUST be suppressed in order to concentrate on the other. I don't like the term "emotional" that I'm using because I'm not quite hitting it, if something other than that comes to mind I'll substitute, but for now, it takes an emotional mind to a certain extent to suspend belief in the mechanical laws of the universe in order to posit a sentience arising above and beyond those mechanical laws.

Those of us who cast our lot in with the intellect are going to always see the possibility of a dualistic universe of some sort, but we are not living in a dualistic universe, one in which our lives matter more than just being our lives, our short time on earth. We have already cast our lot: we believe in the intellect. We try to slice and dice it way by talking vaguely of some essentially meaningless force in our lives, but we don't fool ourselves at heart: we believe in nothing.

But a person of faith is actually living in that dualistic universe, where their lives have an intrinsic meaning that goes beyond them.
I was going to go the other way, and say that maybe atheists do understand that in the end God and them will be the same thing, they just don't believe in the power of their own minds.
717  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Thoughts on religion for a Sunday morning on: July 15, 2014, 03:00:19 PM
Agree and agree!   I just re-read Vernor Vinge's  recently and it was even better with more life experience behind me.  What's funny, to me anyway, is that I love all CS Lewis' works except the Narnia series.
718  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Don't Mess with Messiahs on: July 15, 2014, 02:55:04 PM
Hilarious.  A progressive beat down of ACTUAL PERSONAL charity from people who do nothing themselves but vote money out of others pockets, and rarely for THIS countries children.

Make that pathetic.
719  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Thoughts on religion for a Sunday morning on: July 15, 2014, 02:41:42 PM
You have no case as I am right that you have no experience that parallels mine.  I don't care if you think that is arrogant, it isn't any less true.  And I don't care if you think it is arrogant to say you don't even know what you don't know, it also isn't any less true.
720  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Thoughts on religion for a Sunday morning on: July 15, 2014, 02:37:38 PM
When it comes to happiness I will take atheism happiness any day over what the theists call happiness. Theist joy is all about fearing God and giving in to his will.... while ours is all about being free of the chains of superstition.
I'm sorry if you found my "being in love" analogy tedious...but I still think it is a fitting one.  And the reason I can make statements about atheism is because, as you have frequently pointed out, it is an intellectual exercise of which I'm perfectly capable of thinking through (and have).   My entire point was spiritual experiences...just like falling in love...are not solely an intellectual exercise.  And for the record, I'm speaking in the context of theism, not Christianity. For now. And that is somewhat meaningless, not to mention it isn't true worldwide compared to theism.   You are mistaken.  I don't value atheism as much as I do theism, but I'm not expressing "disgust".   As for you experiencing me being condescending, well, first of all you hardly have room to talk on that score.  But I'm not going to apologize for believing my views are superior because if I didn't, I wouldn't hold them.   But I'm not trying to proselytize or convince anyone to change their mind...just sharing what I think.  
You are in no position to judge my reasoning as you are not informed as to what either my belief or my reasoning about it is.  Dismissing that of which you are ignorant neither makes what I believe a "fairy tale", nor is that a logical or reasoned response on your part.  Furthermore, what I have been pointing out is that spirituality is experiential in addition to being intellectual.  As is your habit, you focus on the tree I'm not even discussing while missing the forest.  Correction noted, but it is a non sequitur.  I never claimed one could reason their way to God using only earthly logic.  I am, in fact, stating you cannot.  But neither can you support your POV without faith either.  Well no, actually it wouldn't.  You can only describe your perspective from the outside about something which you cannot know having not experienced it.  And from the way you write, it doesn't appear you've spent much time on religious philosophy studies either.  Well, I'm glad you feel that way about what you've chosen to belief and put your faith in, but I don't.  I can compare the two as per my own experience...you cannot.
And you are wrong about a number of things in your line of "reasoning"....we don't know if matter popped into existence or was just going through a big crunch.  And, once in existence....all things don't happen randomly.  -snip-  This is not to say a bearded man didn't create matter just to watch it expand and crunch for all eternity....you just cant really "reason" your way there with any earthly logic.
1) Being ignorant of my beliefs in their entirety, or the totality of my reasoning, you are not. 

2) Your "demonstration" of my "error" is a non sequitur as I already stated.

3) What you said was this:  you just cant really "reason" your way there with any earthly logic. What I replied was this:  I never claimed one could reason their way to God using only earthly logic.  I most definitely made it clear it is ultimately a faith view, but then so is yours.  But what I have been arguing, which you seem to be incapable of grasping, that spirituality is also experiential.  Do you understand the difference between logic and experience?  And that one may be both logical in their reasoning AND have experiences that can't be explained solely by logic? 


You have no point, but then you never do.
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