I said he is open to new idea, and not stuck in political doctrine to fit his electoral calculus based on sheeps voting the same party for 4 generations without question ..

I said more critical thinking than rational

The principle of liberalism is that it's not the leader who tell all the idea..

He praises more Cuba and venezula than swizerland. .. and yes it has been applied, but maybe you prefer to deny history..

What I like with him is he break all the traditional voting more rooted in indoctrination and political code rather than based on true critical thinking and new ideas. This concept of two opposed extreme in politics is very toxic. And always depend on swallowing certain doctrine on identity or socialism.

Actually it's very long time im waiting for a true liberal voice to rise in french politics. Just to inject some fresh air into the ideological routine and people voting more by habits and brainwashing than anything.

And he is totally pro start up, pro innovation and investment.

The whole thing that he work for banks doesnt seem so well established. Well he worked in the banking sector before, but in a way, we all work for banks in a way or another, and he seem more open minded and smarter than the others, and also talk to smarter fraction of french electors, which i find more refreshing than giving privilege to a certain class by culture and indoctrination, and giving more advantage to this class or that class just based on electoral calculus.

I find him very refreshing on this.

And he is not racist, not against any group, rather respectfull in general, and see a bit further than his own gardens ans how to grow tomatoes in his gardens with some pastis as the ultimate goal for France. .

Marine Le Pen is exactly the archétype of priviligied familly of gangster who live in castle, never worked of their life, and dont care about economy outside of keeping their privilege in the french system gathering deseperate idiots into lost cause.

Everywhere melanchon plan has been applied it's disaster

Lol...

People only vote for what they know 

https://www.fintechlawblog.com/2016/03/the-french-take-on-the-blockchain/

The closing statement provided by Emmanuel Macron, the French Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Economy, was subsequently echoed by his announcement on March 29 of the upcoming adaptation of the French finance regulatory framework in order to progressively allow the introduction of the technology.

This adaptation should first open up to experimentation on the mini-bond market, to be expanded to other tools.

Mr. Macron stated that he was “aware of the importance of the disruptive potential of the blockchain” while the regulatory framework was limited by the current French and European regulations, which prevented the use of the blockchain “in real-life situations, i.e. with real clients and not exclusively in closed beta test scenario within a given financial institution.”

It was also announced that a ministerial ordinance had just been submitted for review to the French Administrative Supreme Court (“Conseil d’État”) to allow for such experimentation in the coming weeks.

 

The idea of having copy of transaction in itself why not, but it's not even really exploitable as such to have a true decentralized network ( in the distributed processing sense), as it would need to open the rpc port and services also too, and that nodes can be reached also from application who need to use the rpc interface, but it's not even really the case, and the fact that node also are used as wallet to store private keys and doing operation on them also obfuscate the actual purpose and function of nodes, are they single user wallets, or are they public multi user server, the whole architecture on this regard is not very clear. And it doesn't help the development of bitcoin as truly distributed platform. And in the end most of the services end up off chain, and nobody run a node, or even a wallet

he seems to like blockchain and digital economy at least

It's exactly the kind of problematics i'm working on, and i wanted to answer also something along side this line

The problem in the bottom is confusion between decentralized authority and decentralized computational power / task.

The two are a very different problem.

The pow thing is supposed to distribute authority through a distributed proof of work, but most of the computational work done by node is actually very poorly decentralized / distributed ( aka scalable).

But the whole issue is obfuscated by this whole debate with block size who are supposed 'scale' the network, but it won't scale anything, most of the computational power is in fact centralized, and only the work of one node will actually be used in the actual blockchain.

But decentralized work aka distributed application can work also with centralized authority, but the two problematics are often confused and put together, ethereum also added to this confusion.

But it's exactly the kind of problematic i'm working on, to have decentralized system able to provide services via html5 application and http API.

But the way bitcoin node are programmed is not that good to really get to the next step, because it's very monolithic, and though as some sort of swiss army knife to solve everything in once, both the server 'full node' aspect, the rpc server aspect for web apps, and the wallet for standalone app, plus mining software etc, the economic interest switched weirdly not in favor of developping more the decentralized economy aspect, but more centralizing risk and profits on mining pools and via trading logic.

But there are clearly good things to be done with decentralized economy, with distribued application / services who can work with blockchain as a paiment system, or system to store distributed ledger of public data / reccord, which can be useful for many things, and can probbably create new economies

But i don't think bitcoin development is very oriented toward this for the moment, more on the debate with the block size and segwit and speculative market on alt coin etc =)

Just by curiousity, what attracted you to bitcoin, and what would you value in blockchain / coin, or what was your original idea of it ?

Some would say currency is always a form of religion, if religion are taken in the sense of a binding between different persons based on common belief in how each other should behave, there is always a religious thinking behind monetary system, and even regarding the amount of pseudo fanatism around bitcoin, it can still be sign there is something going on, and i doubt this fanatism is created by this idea of bitcoin

It's interesting to see the history of uk with this, and god know they love their currency lol even John nash lived and studied there, half of the royal family are bankster  from nederland, who changed their name to get nobility title within royal familles, and lead to protestant revolution, and all the free market ideology come from there.

with the euro maybe they tried to make currency more rational or based on economic theory supposed to be neutral, but it's bit tanking currently, and many people study the impact of currency change, and free market ideology, and speak about such agenda behind euro, it's hard to untangle from economic and political interest.

But most other money have political / religious agenda, or are part of some kind of "civilisation plan", including also improving natural state, being part of something bigger, like uss entreprise lol

There was a guru India who wanted to make his own money to help developping country, but he got réputation of cult leader, but he had some kind of agenda with also politics and economics and religion.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Country_of_World_Peace#Currency

Raam is a bearer bond and local currency issued by Global Country of World Peace.[10][11] It was designed for the development of agricultural projects and to combat poverty in third world countries.[10] As of 2003, it had limited acceptance in some European and U.S. cities. The currency has been used in Iowa and has been also given approval in The Netherlands where more than 100 Dutch shops, department store chains, in 30 villages and cities, are using the notes at a fixed rate of 10 euros per raam.[11]

It's always like this, bitcoin would be the first, and it doesnt look like it's out of some kind of academicians comitee in government or Europe or financial institutions with clear economic theory behind.

I still wanted to bounce also on dorky post, and the relation between occultism and money emission that is also hard to completely brush out

Even all the way back down to egypt, gold was associated with god(s) and ruler, same with roman empire, and in middle age most banks were either templar or vatican, with islam it's same and money is always related to a form of empire, after with revolution and the protestant the money was made by colonial powers and empire, and usually, money is always 'stamped' with something, either it's a pyramid, or great thinker of the light revolution in europe, all the modern money is related with certain society, and it's always like this since the beginning =)

It's not so illegitimate to wonder who is printing the bitcoin all together, as it's not stamped with anything, and there is no obvious connection to a corporation or government or group with known ideology or goal, so it's hard to know for sure if there is such objective behind, but it's not so easy to brush out either =)

Funny thing is, again not to scream to conspiracy, but i just saw few post from reptilia who is as far as i understand one of the big whale of bitcoin, i saw a post he made in the crypto kindgom thread, speaking about the key and the lock, remind me of something lol with the most serene republic and all this as i said it's not to scream conspiracy, it just make me laugth, and i can't say anything for sure, and i don't really care, but there are still always the same pattern lol

There are some video of mark passio on youtube, some of them are interesting, and from what i understand, originally he is an IT guy, and also was involved with occult group and more or less defected and he is making conferences talking about occult but he is very interesting on certain things =) he know his topic very well =)

Well it's very long to watch because it's 3 part of 2h, but he explain many things about the deep relation between money and the occult =)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r8nEx3L3Vg

As parenthesis, it's also funny how nowday neurology is potentially completely changing the deal on how we can study the mind, and historically the mind as always been considered as separated from the material world, and are two different field of study, and even in neurology they start to acknowledge this, but i'm pretty sure it will soon bridge many cap between occult knowledge and science, when it come to predicting or controlling, or influencing people behavior, either it's with marketting, or propaganda.

And must not also underestimate the amount of people who really turned paranoiac in the past 20 year in various kind of activist scene, like assage for example, but it's also symptomatic of things at bigger scale, like "anonymous" group, and many group started to organize in very underground manner in various areas, specially with internet and dark net, and there are lot of people who also study the mechanism of power, and money, and many movie has been made like zeitgeist or other by various activist motion who are also found as reference f or "anonymous" groups, or all kind of theory on banking and money and secret societies, lot of theory like this came up, and many activist group in the world hacking really went paranoiac, especially since the escalation of trouble since 9/11, arab spring, all the wars and stuff, and this kind of person start to know how to make plan and how to anticipate certain reaction, even assange it's know they blocked his paypal account, they blocked his banking, in certain environment it's things that they can see coming too.

Assange also wrote very well about the necessity of secrecy if you want a plan to succeed, because keeping a plan secret take power away from people who don't know about it, and it remove many variable from the equation , and it's also a pattern always seen in the military and secret service to compartimentalize information and keep certain things secret, this culture of secrecy is found also more and more in many different groups, either they are occult or not.

Historically the control of money always been related to knowledge of the occult, and culture of being able to improve on nature by certain skill or craft, either it's to build castle, or temple, or trading, or politics it's always the product of practicing a certain craft or skill, and money is printed as a form of recognition of capacity to improve nature by the practice of a certain craft or work, in exchange of currency who give access to things produced by the same network of persons.

I don't think it ever happened in history that a currency would be printed by someone in his basement and gain international level and super high price, without being backed by any kind of group with an agenda, nothing get anywhere if there are not people who are mobilized to make it happen.

Either the original plan is lost now, and it's just become locked in some kind of unsolvable game theory, or it just got 'bought back' along the way, or it's just following the plan as foresaw since the beginning it's hard to say, it's hard to say if the agenda of the whale for which they invest into bitcoin is the same than the original idea of "satoshi", or if it was something out of secret socities , or shadow banking, or italian mafia, or even a government like china or russia, or just a guy in his basement, maybe at the beginning, but then it's becoming something else, and it's not easy to rule out that there are still a plan with it even if it's not what was intented since the beginning

In a way i see this thread as a way to bring back a bit of idealism into the bitcoin paradigm after all the issues that happened with either mt gox, dao, and all the totally unethical moves that become more and more common, with shady plan and conspiracy everywhere lol

It's not so easy to tell lol

It's not that much beside the point

speculative value is more about active humain decision than natural forces Money is all about added value from natural order in the bottom

Human mind power > electrons

https://youtu.be/wSNHqqazavo

You think we really know what we are doing or we are governed by things who escape all control ? 

you don't believe in machiaveli ?