there is no point stating the obvious, second line in the OP states that the issue has been resolved, this is not the purpose of the topic, it's a matter of whether the community thinks that it's okay to play the KYC game only after the player wins.

where did the bounty hunters find your campaign? was it on Medium? if not then why should  they check it there? you are using this forum to advertise your ICO then you should respect it's members, nobody is obligated to follow your news on any other platform, it's your responsibility to inform bitcointalk members.

also , modification of distribution date is not an "ok" thing, have you actually stated that you will distribute the tokens 60 days after the end of ICO?

is the 60 days period really a standard or did the campaign manager actually did promise to send the tokens 60 days after ICO's end?

i don't really know how these bounty stuff work to say the least, but if he they are obligated to send the tokens on x date and they have not done so yet, then that might deserve a tag at least.

probably the fastest 2$ he has ever earned.

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seven2smoke1  suddenly became very intersted in gambling with 10 posts a day ( previous posts show that he is not active there) but thanks to the .001 BTC bonus.

I am too old to lead such a battle  , plus i lack experience and immunity against everything mentioned above. and based on my tiny tittle experience in this forum you seem to fit best for such task, after all the B.S against you, you still going strong, i am sure the KYC battle will be a piece of cake for you.



I am curious too, if you happen to get an answer from Cloudbet, please let me know !

these questions will probably never be answered, sadly . it's funny that when they had to pay, every single thing mattered, but when they had to get paid, even assuming the player admitted he stole that BTC , i am betting the horse they would have still accepted it.

this makes me wonder, how much money they have kept from players who don't have a filipino friend?

This will suffice, and for obvious reasons, they will never do this unless they are somehow forced to it. and i think this is the main point of this topic.

and if the community does feel the need for such clarification regarding  KYC from casinos that use the forum to advertise their services, then i expect and old member like you to lead the battle 

most known exchanges, make things quite clear.

Take Binance for an example , they literally tell you that if you decide to withdrawal anything above 2BTC per day, you will need to provide a,b,c documents.

most other exchanges have a similar thing, and it's pretty different from what Cloudbet do, comparing these two completely different things is not very logical.


so if depositing 129BTC does not require any documents, why should withdrawing 50BTC require 2 months of on going investigations and the whole KYC drama ? notice that the player account was frozen after trying to withdrawal 50BTC




indeed, this is the least they should do. i did skim through their terms and conditions and i failed to see anything clearly stated at all.
  

but we do tag account sellers , and i assume they are more in number than the casinos ? if we all agree that the casinos are performing unethical behavior that could even be considered scam or at least extortion - why shouldn't they be tagged?

technically, Cloudbet extorted documents from Swofty and refused to pay him the initial deposit until the extortion was finished.

it's really funny that Cloudbet now have a positive trust score after all that.

I expect something different from them because this forum is one of their main advertising platforms, therefore they should follow what the community thinks appropriate, and i can only assume that the majority of us here disagree with how couldbet or any other gambling website go about this KYC b.s when they have to send money and not bother about it when receiving it.

i am not calling for a lawsuit against them, but rather a community stand-up against these unethical behaviors that come from cloudbet or any other gambling website that uses the forum to advertise their business which lack basic ethics.

just as the majority of the community came to appose account sales when it's not even against the forum rules, why not tag those who follow inappropriate business model?

just because other websites do it, it does not mean it's right. the wrong doings of others never justifies one own's mistakes. am i wrong?


exactly, if they care so much, then they shouldn't accept a large deposit and hope for the player to either lose it or fail to comply with their requirements.

they do have their own TOS which i am pretty certain that it doesn't state the exact point of when KYC card could be played, but they use this forum to advertise their website, and we as a community are the once that keeping the forum alive for them, why not have our own terms, if the community thinks this is unethical, and since we can't enforce any rules on Cloubet outside of the forum ,then  cloudbet should at least be  tagged for such unethical behavior.

until they make it crystal clear for the players that while depositing they need to go through  KYC not only after they win - i personally think this is more or less a legit-scam-behavior.

I guess you all are aware of the 330BTC story > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106313.0

which now has been resolved after an extended period of time.

the player deposited 129 BTC , no questions were asked.

afterwards, the player won 201BTC and had a total of 330BTC that were held by cloudbet for account ownership issues.
 

without going into much details, my concern is this ;

what if the player lost his 129 BTC ? i guess we all know that oblivious answer, no questions would have been asked.

now assuming the player was from a country that cloudbet does not allow, or any other reason, shouldn't they return the initial deposit immediately and keep the winnings for later time ?

 
TL;DR ; when you deposit a huge amount of bitcoin, no questions asked, no KYC b.s, but when you win, clouldbet plays the KYC card, do you guys think this is ethical ? should cloudbet get away with such actions?

nop, 26th Feb till 31th march , provided bitcoin price is bellow 4445$

I hate to be the person that have to tell you this, sorry !

these new coupons you got have a few certain funny rules that you need to be aware of.

1- if bitcoin price go 1 cent above 4445$ those coupons will automatically expire.

2- each coupon is specified to work on a certain miner and here they are.

  160$    > only for S11
  250$    > only for T15
  340$    > only for S15

the problem is this, they will only be available on 26th Feb to 31th March, so you can't use them now, and you have to pray that BTC price doesn't move up from here anymore.

however only the 190$ that were distributed prior to today's coupons don't have those restrictions.

I have not had any discussion with the member, it's not a matter of him disagreeing with me, many people disagree with me, i can't possibly tag people for disagreeing with me.

everyone and their grandmother tried to explain to him , he kept defending siwss miner desperately by ignoring actual facts.



you do know that newbies can PM him as he is the only one on this forum who announced the purchase of these miners, and it's very possible that he will fake vouch siwss miner in private. a warning on his profile might save a few poor souls.

i do understand that he might be doing this out of ignorance, the possibility is there, but what are the chances of someone who haven't posted in 5 years then in his first post, he defends an obvious scam ?


This is a personal issue between you and him/her, it's off topic to say least.

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 Quickseller, would you trust someone like vb2005? would you tag him next week when his review on siwss miner comes positive?

I am not in the U.S so tax is not a problem at all, however i was planning to grab some S9s but after seeing this i really need to do more calculations, once these s17 hit the market, price for everything else will likely drop, i will probably be able to get used S9 for like 100$ instead of 140-160$ from China if not less.

but again the price for the S17 will be key , also should the bull run kick in a bit early "unlikely" every miner on plant will rise in price, so it's really a though decision that requires a good sleep and a cup of coffee.

The first announcement  about chip BM1391  was made public on 21st Sep 2018 , with capacity being "as low as 42J/T"

source from here: https://blog.bitmain.com/en/bitmain-announces-next-generation-7nm-asic-chip/

less than 2 months later on November 8, the sale of the S15 started.

do we expect the S17 to come out somewhere around early April ?

edit:

if the BM1391 was announced to have  42J/T but the actual was 50J/TH this puts it at a loss factor of 1.19 when running in a normal environment, this means the BM1397 should be able to do  35.7J/TH

so is it possible that S17 will do 44TH at 1600W ? that would be massive !

This really has nothing to do with "where" they come from, even if big players like bitmain or Inno announced such machines everyone who has the slightest clue about the industry will call it fake.

they might be legit in terms of existence, they could have an office with a sexy secretary wearing a nice black skirt, but sure as hell they do not have the "alien technology" the claiming to have.



mgoz who is also Bulgarian confirmed that they are fake.


if you want to give the community more information since it should be easier for you as a Bulgarian, it would be highly appreciated, despite the fact that it's a bit off topic since this is about tagging the member who shill/defend them, i think most of US have passed the stage of discussion about Swiss miner integrity , but again any thing you have to add to the case is indeed appreciated.

that's only to fix the hash boards, it won't work for the control board.

he needs to flush it using an SD card.

download the tool from bitmain > https://service.bitmain.com/support/download?product=Flashing%20SD%20card%20with%20image

and then you will need the SD firmware which i can't seem to find on bitmain website, but i found this on the forum

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5029225.0

the guy has it uploaded somewhere

* i am not responsible for any damage caused by any of the files, DYOR and do this at your own risk

what i would do , is contact bitmain and ask them for the file, it would be safer that way.

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