Bitcoin Forum
June 29, 2024, 01:42:33 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 ... 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 [356] 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 ... 661 »
7101  Economy / Speculation / Re: 1000$ rally tomorrow on: January 19, 2017, 03:57:37 PM
Market is moving in a repetitive manner, so I don't expect the market to behave much different from how it has been in the last days. It of course doesn't mean we won't see a large green candle tomorrow, but if it happens, then it won't be sustainable for too long. It will be a decent opportunity for day traders, but that's about it. We all know what goes up fast, comes also down fast, so don't put too much fait in this event.
7102  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do Bitcoins have Tax?? on: January 19, 2017, 03:45:43 PM
yes that is right but to me i think there is no tax on bitcoin because the governments have not yet recognize bitcoin as legal currency, therefore they cannot put tax on illegal currency. i think they will put tax on bitcoin when they will put tax on it.

Governments don't have to recognize Bitcoin as legal currency in order to charge tax. It's actually very simple, it basically doesn't matter where you put your money into. Whether it's you having a certain amount of your wealth in oil, Gold, Bitcoin, paintings, cars, etc, it doesn't matter. What matters here is that all of the mentioned add up to your wealth. Over your total wealth you have to pay a certain amount of tax, which of course differs per country/state. Same goes up for when you sell all before mentioned with profit. Then once again you are subject to the tax policy that is set up by your local government. No way to escape unless you don't declare any of your Bitcoin holdings.
7103  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I have 5K€ to invest ! on: January 19, 2017, 11:57:29 AM
Yes, ICO can be very rewarding, Darcrus ICO was sold at 2500sat in December,2016 the price is now above 6000sat,it even pass 9000sat few days ago but the issue with ICO is to find a credible ones to invest into, some people have been burnt investing in ICOs

ICO's can turn out to be quite profitable, but plenty of these ICO's have been nothing more than a disaster for people investing in them. It's a gamble with a super high risk that you must be willing to take. Especially when you consider that like 98% of all the ICO's are fake/scams. It's a plague. The only people that really benefit from this are the "developers" and the people close to them. It's just shocking to see that people are willing to flush their precious coins down the drain by "investing" in ICO's...
7104  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Is Now Moving Up on: January 19, 2017, 11:33:04 AM
Well it is better to have a slow and steady movement rather than that surge uptrend then  steep fall.  It is scary to most of the holder especially those who are new to bitcoin.
Well those who are good in altcoin trading will profit for sure but those who are not familiar is more likely will gonna fail and have losses during fluctuation.

It's always the beginners that find themselves in the losing position as they don't know what to do. And if they know what to do, it only lasts for a day, where after that they once again change from strategy. In that regard, you can't really call them holders. If you talk about holders, and I am referring to people with balls of steel, then no matter what happens, they won't freak out if the price moves big time into a certain direction. Even stronger, if the price heads down big time, they buy up more coins to bring down their average buying price, where the profit in the end will be even greater. That's how it should be done.
7105  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-18] Bitcoin: Why It Now Belongs in Every Portfolio on: January 19, 2017, 11:10:46 AM
People are slowly making their way to Bitcoin, but it's still mostly due to the volatile nature of Bitcoin, where it goes up and down a few hundred $$ several times a year. And then I am not even talking about the massive bull runs that result in a double price. I have seen people around me talking about Bitcoin as they have bought themselves 0.5BTC and some even more than a whole Bitcoin. But if you look at what they know about Bitcoin, then it's shocking to tell you that they don't know anything. It's pretty difficult to explain them things as for them this is a gamble rather than a well thought out investment plan. Interest in potential profits 100%. Interest in technical aspects of Bitcoin 0%. It's almost shocking...
7106  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: January 19, 2017, 11:00:11 AM
but if gold continues to underperfom as it has been for over 30 years (even despite all QEs and market crashes), even these may eventually lose their interest.

Underperforming in what way? If I look at the charts starting from the year 2000 till where we are standing today, then it has gone up from ~$230 to ~$1200 right now. That's not really what I consider to be underperforming, unless you were talking about something else.

On the other hand, gold has in fact been a valuable store of value for thousands of years, but was there enough competition during these times among different means of preserving value? I guess there was none, that's why today it is different from what it has been in the past

Bitcoin is a far better store of value tool than Gold if you ask me. One of the main benefits is that you can hide it without anyone noticing. With Gold you either need to buy a massive save, or walk your Gold into a bank vault where you rely on a third party to take care of everything. You can transfer it instantly to anywhere in the world which isn't possible with Gold that people hold in physical form. And there are more benefits of course. That's why I certainly hope that Bitcoin will turn out to be a better overall store of value tool (for me it definitely is), but it will be difficult to convince the massive amount of stubborn people that still think Bitcoin isn't real because they can't hold it in their hands.
7107  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] Would you open a Bitcoin account at your local bank? on: January 19, 2017, 10:36:29 AM
Why not, if the fees are fair?

Because you then rely on a third party to control your coins. It's an unnecessary extra step where you expose yourself to various risks. But if you're fine with that, then it's your choice of course.

Would not be worse than use an exchange

Exchanges still are riskier than banks

Exchanges have indeed messed up big time, so in that regard, I think you have a decent point there. It's impossible to trust the current incompetent exchanges as they continue to mess things up. I even consider banks to be more trustworthy than all these shitty hobby run exchanges. That's the exact reason high level institutional traders won't jump into Bitcoin. They don't feel safe wiring multi millions to these exchanges, and I can't blame them for thinking like that. That's why we need a professional platform that allows these traders to bring their millions to Bitcoin.
7108  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin price may not crash like 2013 on: January 17, 2017, 03:13:52 PM
The price of Bitcoin has given very unfamiliar trends in the currency prices across the globe. I think it will not crash like it did in 2013 but will continue having unpredictable behaviours and therefore predicting will be very difficult.

Never say never, but I don't rule out massive crashes from the level of going from +$1000 to -$200 in a relatively short period of time. Mainly because of the fact that this market is, and will always be subject to plenty of drama. One time an exchange gets "hacked" where the price starts tanking heavily, and another time fud news from China makes people sell like there is no tomorrow. It's no coincidence at all that it mostly happens after the price has gone up. It's a planned attack where the people behind it are making millions time on time again.
7109  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin Usage Reduce Demand Of Fiat? on: January 17, 2017, 01:54:16 PM
Both bitcoin and fiat has its own purpose and uses.While fiat can be used offline bitcoin mostly on online transaction. But, in the future I think, yes it will affect and probably reduced the usage of fiat since people change they way they pays and transact and mostly they are doing it online.

Bitcoin won't reduce the use of fiat money. Especially not when it comes to using and spending fiat within the country. Fiat's position is simply too strong for that. If you look how easy it is to complete purchases with fiat, where everything is instant and free, plus everything you buy gets insured as well, then it doesn't leave much room for Bitcoin to gain ground in that regard. But it's not a problem at all since we know that Bitcoin is just an alternative currency/tool. Bitcoin's growth will come from other aspects where these are the main features;

# Investment aspect.
# Store of value aspect.
# Money transfers aspect.

For me these are the main reasons of me being in Bitcoin. Currency aspect (as in using it for shopping) was never an appealing feature for me.
7110  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do Bitcoins have Tax?? on: January 17, 2017, 12:58:51 PM
bitcoin has no tax because no one has control of it even the government. i think that is one of the reason why some countries banned bitcoin because aside from they don't have control over it, they cannot earn from it because it has no tax. and it is really impossible to tax bitcoin users!

It's indeed not possible to force Bitcoiners to pay tax, but there are certain policies/laws where Bitcoin isn't directly being mentioned, but it's without a doubt that since Bitcoin isn't any different from money, that you have to pay tax over what you hold in Bitcoin. In that regard, there is no real difference in having $100,000 in cash, or $100,000 sitting in Bitcoin. The point is that we are supposed to declare every bit of our holdings and profits in a honest manner when filling in our tax reports. But since there is no way for the government to surely know whether or not we own Bitcoin or made profits, we can just keep our mouth shut and don't declare anything. I don't think there are many people honestly declaring all their holdings. It's just not smart to do so.
7111  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: January 17, 2017, 12:39:13 PM
Signature campaign should be added in option ,it is really helpful and profitable to us there is no much risk in campaign especially if we are in a right company. Though if will choose among the options I 'll go also in trading or  gambling. Both can be a good source especially if it researched well and following set of goals while trading or playing.

I don't understand what you think is so interesting about gambling that you find it worthy to mention as being a source of income? Because it's definitely not. I see a lot people here talking about them seeing gambling as a fantastic way to make money. It's nice and all that you have the chance to make decent profits, but do you guys even think about the risks of losing everything? Because that's exactly what will happen at some point. It's inevitable unless you have plenty of luck at the beginning and hit bank, where after that you quit gambling entirely. But that's not what's happening in reality as people always continue to gamble.
7112  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: January 17, 2017, 10:48:46 AM
how can you know thatgold is worth forever.

Gold has been serving as a valuable tool/currency for thousands of years. No reason to think it will change in the coming hundred or so years.

In the future, Bitcoin will certainly destroy gold and become the number one investment on this planet

Where you get that confidence from? Gold is an asset that mostly functions as a very long term store of value tool, where even governments are using it for that purpose. It's not for nothing that certain countries have been accumulating billions worth of Gold in recent years. Bitcoin is purely there to serve as an alternative. Bitcoin has turned out to be a great store of value tool as well, and it has been a fantastic investment tool, plus it has been a great tool to transfer money from one place to another. That however doesn't mean it will "destroy" Gold and turn into the number one investment tool. Calling something the number one investment tool is way too relative, as it then will need to outperform each and every investment, every year. Bitcoin is still having plenty of room for growth, but that's simply impossible.
7113  Economy / Speculation / Re: Does anyone else think it's feeling like 2014 all over again? on: January 17, 2017, 09:56:00 AM
In 2014, we entered a long down market where we saw periods of side ways followed by a slide down, repeat and rinse. Is 2017 shaping up to be another 2014?

No way to answer that this early on. But I am ready for whatever comes towards me. That being said, I still add value to what BTCC chief Bobby Lee said about the price to possibly reach $1500 this year. I personally don't think we'll touch $1500, but a swing to $1200 or perhaps a tiny bit higher is definitely a possibility. Not long after that the price started to move up heavily where it peaked over the $1100 level. I am confident we'll experience the same thing once again this year. And yes, it will be followed by a massive dump, but I hope we'll be able to sustain $1000 after that. That should be the target for 2017.

Article about BTCC can be found here; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1703672.0
7114  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Is Now Moving Up on: January 17, 2017, 09:35:20 AM
How the heck in world is it possible it rise from 800€ to 830€, i mean whats going on that the price rise up now again?? Huh Huh Huh

Nothing is going on. As easy as the price goes up some times, that easy will it come down again. In that regard, current price increase doesn't say much as we very well may fall back $50 lower again. If this increase is somewhat of a start, then perhaps we might very soon see +$900 prices, but then again, how long will we sustain these levels. Don't forget that the closer we come to the $1000 level, the more nervous and anxious people get. They are constantly ready to press the sell button as they have their exchange page open nearly 24/7.
7115  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin make Banks disappear? on: January 16, 2017, 04:39:32 PM
bitcoin can make bank disappear if more than 80% of people on this planet start using Bitcoin. Bitcoin and bank are totally different to each other because banks are a part of the centralized system while Bitcoin is created for the freedom.

Bitcoin can't make banks disappear. But that aside, it will never happen, but even if 80% of the people on earth make use of Bitcoin in one way or another, then it still doesn't mean banks will be outruled. Banks have a fixed position in the economy, also in benefit of the governments as they via that way know what level of wealth each person has, etc. Bitcoin will definitely grow in the future, but more in the way that the store of value and investment aspect will be the main reasons people make use of Bitcoin. Also don't forget that money transfers are important as well. But if you look at how it is to do your local shoppings with Bitcoin, then it's simply not interesting and convenient to use Bitcoin due to the confirmation times and increasing transaction fees. In that regard, fiat will still remain the main tool of people for their shoppings. Don't forget that a lot people simply don't see anything in Bitcoin, and thus won't be using it. Getting even 1% of the world population to use Bitcoin in one way or another will be a very difficult task.
7116  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is a good investment now, because... on: January 16, 2017, 04:17:58 PM
Those who did buy at 2009 are making loads of profits today if they sell their coins. Its important to analyse the current market and if one does that in a proper manner they can see that buying and holding the coins for several years is profitable. Daily trading is also good since price fluctuation are good and more so in the altcoin market.

When price crashes definitely buy some more coins and hold them.

It's easy to say and think that people who bought their coins back in 2009 that they are selling their coins at current levels. If you for example buy your coins priced $0.50 each, and you see the price jumps to $5-$10, what would you do? Cash out or save for when the price reaches $20-$30, or even $50? In the runup to reaching the magical (magical back then) $100 level, people have been selling their coins for the major part. If you look back, then there are just a few people who managed to keep holding their coins no matter what. These people are now banking heavily where they genuinely can call themselves multi millionaires.
7117  Economy / Speculation / Re: When to expect the next big drop in BTC? on: January 16, 2017, 04:00:01 PM
In fact, the smarter people here (at least, so they were presenting themselves) had been expecting the dump at first at around 800 dollars per coin when Bitcoin just started to climb, then it was 900 when Bitcoin didn't even stop at 800 (though they were less vocal after it hadn't crashed), which later became 1,000 dollars. Some even tried to outsmart the market by going short at that price tag only to lose massive amounts of money at the end of the day. Or were they really noobs, all these guys expecting a dump at every round number?

Or, rather, not particularly different from the noobs you refer to

I must admit that I was one of these people expecting a correction to happen at $800-$900-$1000. Why? It would make sense since the price was going up way too fast. In that regard, people expecting a drop to happen at $800-$900-$1000 were wrong as the price peaked at over $1100. That's why it's always a smart thing to secure profits in small steps (5% per time in my case). That's exactly what I did. 5% at $800, then 5% at $900, and then 5% at $1000, and then 5% at $1100, which resulted in me almost cashing out at the top. Finally after going above the $1100 level, the price started to correct. So, even though my predictions turned out to be wrong several times, I managed to sell on the way up pretty well.
7118  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: January 16, 2017, 10:18:19 AM
If you have a great strategy for gambling then go with gambling. It could take an hour or so whEn you use that. It could provide you possibilities that could probably help you. I hope you find a great strategy to apply in gambling

It's impossible to develop a certain strategy when it comes to the regular gambling games as everything there is just luck that you depend on. In some cases there are certain strategy based games that casinos seem to offer, but I don't know till what level skills matter here. Casinos won't allow people to develop skills to a level that they can beat the system. So in that regard, even in that case luck is a crucial factor. Gambling should be avoided if you look to earn money. It's funny how people constantly look at the potential profits that can be made with gambling, while they blatantly ignore the higher chances of ending up with zero...
7119  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you think we will break the $2000 mark some day? on: January 16, 2017, 10:04:29 AM
If bitcoin can hold the price of 800$ and never dropped again below 700$,the  2000$ price that we are waiting to happen well be seen after 3 months. Remember last years price, 200$ is lowest and now 800$ will be the stable bottom ,before this year ends we already reached that 2000$ or even higher.

Never doesn't exist when it comes to Bitcoin. And to me it seems you are living in a fantasy world. No way we can end this year with experiencing $2000 prices. We can't even manage to maintain the $1000 level yet. And I am fairly sure that when we go over $1000 another time this year, that once again it won't be sustained for too long. It's a combination of greed in the first place, where it later turns into fear. Exactly this fear will be the main reason people will dump like there is no tomorrow when misunderstood fud news pops up. Big players know that, and thus constantly keep exploiting this weak point of a lot people here.
7120  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Money laundering via BTC on: January 16, 2017, 09:39:08 AM
I sure peoples that have many money not save their money to bitcoin, this is because they know the price bitcoin is not stable and full risky. If they want money laundering, maybe will save in the others name to save to bank.

Could be, but you have to consider that investing black money into all kinds of things with value has much more priority than having that money sleeping in bank accounts. In this case I am more referring to black money gained through criminal activity. They won't mind the volatility of Bitcoin that much as they realize that the growth potential is also offering a helping hand. It's a good way to hide black money, plus it can turn out to be a fantastic investment as well. Same basically goes up for other wealthy individuals, but they treat their money with a bit more care, and thus look for the least possible risks when it comes to hiding that money.
Pages: « 1 ... 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 [356] 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 ... 661 »
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!