Strange and yet not unexpected. Bad news doesn't seem to affect Bitcoin markets as much as they should when they have been anticipated. Same as good news. Remember all those Bitcoin ETFs that eventually happened? Probably all priced in by now and if so, then if this is the worst this item of news could do, bulls must be happy.

Of course, we have an entire week to see this out.

Checking in late to say thanks again for that 1x2 tourney, Tornike, you guys do quite a nice Jackmate every season, and I think this was a lot less buggy than the Champions League one (at least for me, everything including the leaderboard worked well) so well done on that.

As I mentioned earlier, it would be nice to tweak the points system in 1x2 and even use an odds-based points to reward those who pick the unlikelier score (enter your picks, and if they win, they win at the odds they were at the time). Or to put a 1x2 plus scoreline, and then credit the scoreline outcomes together with 1x2 to give more points to those who also get the score right, also weighed with odds markets? =)

See you all again next season (which is soon!).

Title was 4/10 sorry man, I clicked because I saw it was you creating the thread;)

Gotta say I've seen a lot more crap going on using Bitcoin instead though (but the scam usually involves telling people they're getting Bitcoin on their behalf but they're actually getting fake accounts with virtual numbers, easy to trick as most people don't usually know how it works).

No disrespect to people on social media but you get what you get, and you deserve it all, I guess. Not that I'm saying I'm immune to scammery and hoodwinkery, I still occasionally get tricked by people who promise to pay the BTC later, and then I give up after one invoice chasing reminder -- but that's always been true for a freelancer who doesn't charge upfront;)

Not possibilities, it's happened and with more en route in countries all over the world. The clue should have been in all the media coverage of the move actually. Happy people packing things up in a nice way, and very organised and orderly. This wasn't a panic mass exodus with China setting out the dogs to chase miners out. It was simply a state decision (which they'll come to regret).

Agree that the "defi" tag (whatever it may mean to anyone, I can safely say that the vast majority of projects tagging themselves with that label aren't actually close to being "decentralised" and would probably fail a stern test of "defi-ness") actually prevents you from digging into what may be very good stories waiting to be uncovered.

P.S. Anyone remember "Humans of ToR" or something like that?

Tsk! A 1-1 draw as it happened, very few shots and corners but we lost our bet. And because Midtylland also lost, we confirm the loss of our earlier insured bet, so whammy. Our healthy profit stats are being eaten up, but with about a month left to Community Shield in England, which kicks off the new season for this thread, I'm happy we will likely end up with over 10,000 units.

Today's a simple Brasilerio and a friendly with our friends at Club Brugge (go Mignolet!).

100 units at Sportsbet on Ceara, Sao Paoloa and Brugge to WIN @10.00. Other odds: 9.30
Units advantage: 70

So 3 days ago, they raided a house and confiscated about 100 ASICs: Source: https://www.newsarawaktribune.com.my/police-find-bitcoin-mining-operations-in-house/

Apparently, police were led to many more earlier, in just one city, and two months' worth of raids led to this steamrolling event that video went viral yesterday. 1069 machines. A weird number. Mainly s3 I think? Now if they just put them to good use instead, tsk!

Can't find a useful way to share local news, but that's as far as it gets for now. Think the crypto media will get hold of it later.

Note: the crime was simply electricity theft, not mining itself.

As jackg says, that's the same principle and expectation you would apply to any form of investment (talking about Bitcoin/crypto as investment, anyway). It's the FCA, and like any financial watchdog in any country, they're obliged to warn citizens of the risks of investing. Note that this isn't in any way a threat against these activities, merely a disclaimer against any responsibility. What's poor of them is that they've only extended this warning to crypto, when they should really be preventing people from losing their money in scandalous stocks and options etc.

Don't think there's any secret to the Brazil wins. Just that Sportsbet has got a lot of love from Brazil (Flamengo and Sao Paolo, so why not) and when you're from there you obviously know a lot more than we do -- plus I'm sure they try a LOT.

Keep an eye on the massive boosts on all the winning bets posted too! I love doing 5/6 leg accas just to get the boosts, which already puts you up 10% or more on any other site. Haven't had the balls to put max 10-leg accas but the 100% boost is hefty!

Might need? I think once US started down that path, there was always going to be little space to turn back. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, given that there are many more options today in the US for the retail consumer to get their hands on and hold Bitcoin without wondering if it's legal or not (it's regulated so it is).

Not that I'd want to be a US citizen holding any kind of crypto, but it might even encourage competition between states there when attracting crypto business (it already does).

Just checked the odds for Hamilton on this site and that should have been great value as it was closer to 3/1 yesterday at least but it's still higher than anywhere else right now (235/100) while other sites are just above 2/1 -- not sure the time multiplier here would have been worth it getting in early but yes, nice to see Verstappen getting a lot of love but -- Bottas, what do you think? It's only 5/1 here but 11/1 elsewhere

Noone here wants that, but if it happens, just make sure you're ready to take advantage. If you're already into DCA, then it's always a minor boost for much later down the line. Just think about it this way: every bit of coin you get at 30k is going to be worth more than twice as much when it eventually does return to the current ATH. And more on the next ATH and so on.

Fun days for the holders, if they can swallow some of the wait.

Djokovic confirmed Olympics now so at least we have something special to look at for in Olympics without Nadal or Federer. Tokyo with no fans though, a bit sad.


All lessons I should have learned by now, but I was counting on him to be making another final actually, guess I should stop trying to second-guess the mental state of people!


It was for a 2:0 win. I hardly ever do 1.3 or lower, unless it's my own team I'm betting on anyway and above 10/1, 1.3 is not a bad boost.

And yeah, no final, I haven't had a good betting record at last two ATPs now. Zero wins (all accas).

Damn you Tsitsipas. Kill me every time I put you on an acca, and you just don't know how to kill it. I think this guy really needs a mental coach to get past the trauma of losing that FO final. I know everyone's got a rough patch but two exits in succession, not looking good.

All-Serbian final setting up then hum?

It's really simple. Most banks anywhere in the world, if it's recognised by the central bank, give you deposit guarantee. And these banks are also insured, or guaranteed by the state. So except in the worst-case scenarios like total money devaluation or economic collapse, yeah, your money's safer in a bank account than it is on a crypto exchange.


If you're the bank, you set the terms. How do you think banks hide and obfusctae the money trails when you can edit, remove, even add entries into accounting? Bank transfers are or can be transparent, but in practice, that's anything but the level of detail that's displayable. Change that detail or remove it, or obscure it.

Ask any bank now to show proof of funds. They won't, because they can't.

Indeed! Markets weren't available or I'd have taken a HT handicap, which was 10/1, and they did actually end the HT "only" 0-1 down! Really have to find more of these markets during the early rounds. Polish teams have done well so far, as did 2 of 3 Irish teams. Armenia not so much, except that famous Ararat win. Not a bad league after all eh?

Fognini fell at his hurdle so I didn't even need to bother looking at the rest. Very disappointing ATP outings. We wait for Midtylland to play today to see if we get the outcome of the last insured bet we have, but in Angola we have two teams with poor form, but winning their last games, I'm backing the underdog.

100 units at Sportsbet on Libolo to WIN vs Primeiro Agostos @8.60. Other odds: 8.50
Units advantage: 10

Was 5/1 but went down below as the match approached. Even managed to double the lead towards the end. If Noah complete it too (12/1), I'll be ecstatic. But they're already down a goal heh heh.

Good picks for you, they all ML bets? I actually bet on Europa last season when they were in Europa League but the best they did were draw, so perhaps the wise bet for them is handicaps since they don't seem to want to win either. Huge, huge underdogs!

Tre Penne is at 50/1 haha, was even 60 at one point but I don't mind taking them even against my own favourite. Go San Marino =D

Who took Conference League specials today? Dinamo Batumi, Klaksvik, Larne, Breidablik & Slask Wroclaw all to WIN at 14/1. Should be pretty heh. There was another special 40/1 but it's BTTS and wins, so we're hoping for 3 goals min in all those 3 Irish minnow games, haha, total idiots bet but I took it anyway. But hey, luck of the Irish, right?

I decided to play one of my freebets won on a lot of American event favs too, tagging Liverpool's opening match next month as the final leg. Whee!

P.S. I lived without mobile until 2010 too, when work forced me too, for security, although I was on radio for many years before that. First smart phone was also in 2013, and also because enforced, but I chucked it out for three years after, and then back on it in 2016 -- remote working was impossible not to have it. I could cheat and use everything now on laptop (which more or less is what happens) but I do like bitcointalk from mobile (I do long commutes daily).

I don't think it's Bitcoin's job to avoid crime. Crime chooses, and I would have hoped Silk Road taught the lesson that it really is a poor choice to be used for criminal purposes. Can we stop feeding something that has repeatedly been proven wrong already?

P.S. Hackers aren't interested only in Bitcoin trading platforms, they're interested in easy backdoors, lazy admins, careless managers and generally, just poor security practices. And I think you used white hat wrong?