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7161  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 01, 2013, 08:55:09 AM
Oh you people of little faith! About 1.5 million bitcoins (of the 11 million existing) are in the speculative weak hands. We owners of the larger stash, are busy preying on your smaller stash, and constantly buying more and more of it. Currently bitcoins are hardly even getting distributed in a serious way, since I and the likes of me can still easily live in luxury + earn more bitcoins doing it.

This is mathematically impossible to continue. Bitcoin price will rise Smiley

I can write you puts at $115 if you like. I am able to write for BTC500 at the moment. The price will be decided on by case basis. Preferably just one counterparty thank you.
7162  Economy / Speculation / Re: $1 Trillion Bitcoin on: April 30, 2013, 08:41:21 PM
It's gonna be bitcoin for sure. It cannot be stopped anymore, no way. I think it will reach $1M (per BTC) before Christmas this year, but the long-term value is not so high.

we all wish this could become true. but...

how should the bitcoin infrastructure cope with that ? remember the spike a few weeks ago ? mt.gox couldnīt handle it. lag. laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag... panic sell lemming stunt. while at the same time bitcointalk went offline, bitcoincharts went offline, no more prices, other exchanges getting in trouble because users went away from mt.gox ... it was a desaster.

at 250 $

what would happen at 2500,- ? imagine the media coverage. everything would get really crazy at a 2500 level. but what about 25 000,- ? pure madness. it would be in daily news, some news would start to broadcast live from tokyo 24/7. people would go nuts. every scammer would sell to every grandma, people would start killing each other over bitcoins. how would mt.gox and the rest of the infrastructure do at this point ? if all this and much more complete madness is going on, what is to expect at 250 000,- $ ? mt.gox would be in smoking ruins.

letīs say mt.gox pulls all the way through 1 btc = 1 million $  
if one cashes out his 100 btc he would have 100 mio $ on his account. (would sure look nice)
with the current rate of withdrawel of 10 000,- $ a month...  hm...  nice income for the next 833 years.  


much more likely: failing infrastructure making it bumpy all the way up to....  (?)

Of course it's bumpy, but that will just be a killing upon a killing for OTC dealers, like me.

If you want to learn how to profit, there is a summit in my sig.

Gox will be replaced by a dealer network this year
7163  Economy / Speculation / Re: $1 Trillion Bitcoin on: April 30, 2013, 08:31:45 PM
One million $ per BTC in 2013? Seriously guys, that's just ridiculous.

It does sound ridiculous, doesn't it? But then, so does the idea that the Fed is "printing" $85 billion every month as part of its (cough, euphemism) "quantitative easing" program.

We can rise an order of magnitude or two within the next couple of years, I think, but of course past performance is no guarantee of future results. If you'd told me five months ago that now bitcoin would be trading at $130+ and litecoin at $4, I would have wondered what drugs you were on. Grin

Sure, 100x within 2 years, I'd call that unlikely but possible. I really hope that happens so I can go retire on a beach somewhere.

But the OP is predicting a rise from mid $130s to ONE MILLION BUCKS in 8 months. Does anyone else here believe that's possible?

It was me, not the OP  Cool
7164  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: April 30, 2013, 08:30:49 PM
For the average Joe "cashing out" from Gox is even more difficult that buying its firts Bitcoins...

Everything needs to improve A LOT - BTC need to be widely available and easy to buy and to sell for it to be really huge. Now its very difficult for a newbie, the learning curve is sharp.

Everything you describe is happening.

Besides buying goxmoney is a neverending source of both profits and lulz for the otc dealers like me.
7165  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: April 30, 2013, 08:28:10 PM
Bid sum is $5 million higher than at the price peak.

Inconvenient Truth(TM).

Ask sum is easy to manipulate when the price is rather stable. You just send gazillion coins to gox and list them for sale.

When it is rocky, you can't do it without risk of your coins getting eaten. That's why the ask sum was very low during the last top of 266 - only the ones actually in the business of selling dared to "ask" anything.

Bid sum is now higher than back then. Hmm... Wink

Perhaps we just continue on the adaptation curve set on January: On average, every week sees a 15% price appreciation. When we go to uncharted territory, and go to 50%-100% per week, that is bubblish and due for a correction.
7166  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: April 30, 2013, 08:08:21 PM
Sure, we can expect a decline in the price discovery phase, but still Bitcoin feels stronger than ever. Short term bear case? Good opportunity to buy more BTC.

I don't know how you bears can pretend that you believe any of the FUD.. Undecided

Reality is, bitcoin's usage is growing at a 10-30% weekly rate. Hard time believing that it would not be the price trend also.

When I went to a certain grade at school back in 1998, two people in the class had a mobile phone. When we graduated 9 months later, everyone except two had it.

Bitcoin will be the same, and year will be 2013. Only difference is that with mobiles, you always pay. With bitcoin, everyone who buys below the long term fair value of $300k/BTC, gets rich. This will only aid adoption, not hinder it.  Wink
7167  Economy / Goods / Re: [OUT]: order Casascius 1 BTC Coins for BTC -.-- incl. worldwide shipping on: April 30, 2013, 07:48:19 PM
I have no objections towards people posting their offers here.

Esp. as they are so ridiculous:
BTC1 2011 series 1 - 5,500mBTC
BTC1 2012 - 2,200mBTC
BTC1 2013 - 1,800mBTC

Including worldwide delivery.
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@rpietila: do you know wether Justin received his coin? Did you record the address so we can track in case he spends it Wink

No, it was returned to me because of hotel security regulations.
7168  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: April 30, 2013, 07:43:13 PM
Gox is a big tape-painting club. The real bitcoin flows are moving to OTC as we speak. Most of the trade in gox is trading, not legit movements of bitcoins to new owners.

I'm not sure I understand the difference.

Also, by OTC are you referring to the IRC channel?  Why is someone selling you btc for 5% less than they would get on mtgox?  Volume?  Privacy? 

Trading = buying and selling your own position, to make a profit/loss depending if you're right
Dealing/brokering = buying and selling to the client, to make a commission regardless of the price

I do both. The IRC channel I don't know. "OTC" is a general term for all trade that happens outside of the real-time exchange.

I dunno why people want to sell to me for 5% less but that's what they do. They also pay me 10% over.




7169  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: April 30, 2013, 07:39:18 PM
SlipperySlope is busy thinking, whether to attend my conference. I can say that we are on track to cross the ATH by May 2nd (which is Thursday this week), this would lead to exactly 3000% time compression compared to the 2011 bubble, both in the crash and the recovery part.

rpietila, reading your posts I wonder... Can I smoke some of what you are smoking? Cheesy


Sure I'll show you what I have ... if you just come and see me Wink
7170  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: MUST READ THREADS!!!!! on: April 30, 2013, 07:38:22 PM
Post any other threads that you think are important, in this thread.

rpietila public diary
7171  Other / Off-topic / Re: rpietila public diary on: April 30, 2013, 07:04:03 PM
Thank you all for the curious interest. This is truly like running a race in front of the world Smiley More criticism than praise, although I think I am doing pretty good considering that I only do this 24/7, and also earn my living in the process.

Today I did the following:

- Some summit members have taken on tasks to practically organize matters. Expect zeroday to start a new thread and keep it in even better order than this one is. We will also have a private forum in 48 hours max, for the delegates and people in the process.

- I scoured the city for new and ritzier offices for my supernode. So far did not find anything of interest. My problem is that I want quite large (200+ sqm), best location (only a few blocks are good enough for me), good condition (4 meter ceiling is the target, <3 disqualified), and available (so that we can move in now and not in 2 months)

- We will go to Haikko on Thursday with a 4-ppl delegation, to discuss the practicalities of the Summit with the staff of the Manor House

- Chatted over skype with a Greek delegate

- Some people want to order Casascius coins from me, I have quoted 1,800mBTC / 2,200mBTC / 5,500mBTC for 2013/2012/2011 BTC1 coins incl dlwy.

- Goat sold me 700,000mBTC for 2.65M THB yesterday. I have now spent about 4 hours with the bank, and currently they have promised to send the money to him on Thursday. I need to pay anything between $1k-$3k in different fees to the bank (closer to $1k now since I phoned directly to the currency broker desk to exchange EUR->THB; but I have happily paid 1.55% fees on USD->EUR automatic conversion just because I did not specify the sender to use my USD account). LOL when Goat sees the money clear, his part is done in 15 seconds. [Do you realistically think that BTC will not go to $300/mBTC, just because of the fact that using banks for anything is such a pain?]

- We are celebrating the 3rd most important annual festival in Finland, only Midsummer and Christmas (in this order) are more important

- I have almost contracted a team of 3 bright and beautiful young women to help with the organising of the summit (+ being The Summit Secretariat during the event, if ever we reach 30 participants - which I doubt but will employ them anyway)


All delegates - If you need something very important before Thursday May 2nd, 16:00 UTC, PM me. Otherwise I will have the staff and the rooms etc. ready by then and will contact everyone personally.

Since the best rooms are in short supply, please decide for yourself now, if you would like to have:

A) a suite (Manor House 2nd and highest floor apartment with bedroom, living area, bath, and large balcony facing the sea - visible in the photo in the summit invitation) with butler service for 10,000mBTC; OR

B) a single room in Manor House 1st floor with bath / single room in the conference wing (same price) for 3,000mBTC; OR

C) shared room with another delegate with bath (included).
7172  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: April 30, 2013, 06:40:26 PM
And on which price are those OTC based?

In the future, they will be based on Dealer Network Fix (3 times per day). Today they are based on gox, with a 6-15% margin on top.

I also buy bitcoins for 5% below gox.
7173  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Casascius selling direct again on: April 30, 2013, 06:28:37 PM
+ I am routinely selling non-collector (2012/2013) casascius for about the following:

BTC1 = 1.50
BTC5 = 6
BTC25 (2011 but with correct hologram) = 28.5

I am interested in ordering a BTC1 coin for BTC1.50 if it's including shipping (US). Feel free to PM me details, order wallet address and anything else I need to know.

No it's otc only. You can buy one (2013 cas. BTC1) from me for BTC1.7998 incl shipping to US. But don't order from me, I will always be the most expensive dealer to order anything from.  Grin Except silver, that is cheap.
Send me PM and pay to:
17neXTeRQswdV1Hr6csmssJL2HpFz5bGoi

if still interested although price is high.
7174  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: April 30, 2013, 06:24:07 PM
Gox is a big tape-painting club. The real bitcoin flows are moving to OTC as we speak. Most of the trade in gox is trading, not legit movements of bitcoins to new owners.
7175  Other / Off-topic / Re: rpietila public diary on: April 30, 2013, 04:21:20 PM
I appreciate the invitation.  I'd love to go to Finland.  One day I will make it.  I can't make it on such short notice.

The immodest emphasis on conspicuous luxury is something I find alienating and leads me to question the premise of the gathering.  If I'm going to be invited to spend a $7,000 fee to attend a meeting, I'm accustomed to high-quality well-thought-out appeals for me to attend, which concentrate on the business development case for attendance more so than the exclusivity of the gathering and the luxurious luxuries that will be enjoyed there, the blackness of the German car I'll be picked up in, and the hotness of the 30 girls that will be passing out bitcoins.  The way that this is presented, I feel like by going I'd be starring in a Bitcoin version of "Oppan Gang-nam Style" and that has a negative appeal to me.  THis is not why I am involved in Bitcoin.  This sort of meeting Should Not Take Place at a venue that requires an outlay like that per participant, with one exception: if the money were going to fund some well-defined and well-planned project to fund the common good.

Thank you for your reply, I appreciate it.

I realize that astute bitcoin people are very busy, and therefore cannot easily read the fine print, which in this case says that the tickets will be sold at progressively higher prices. The first one was BTC1, and currently you would be able to reserve yours at BTC8, which, despite the fact that it is $1000+, will still net me a loss and cannot be considered excessive.

The level of people, targeted with this summit, is so high, that their opportunity cost of time easily runs in $thousands per day, so this is why I care about their physical well-being (and not so much care how much it will cost to me or them). It is realistically a $5-$10k investment for you or anyone from the U.S. to attend this (ticket+flight+time), so you don't want to have substandard living conditions. There is already another conference targeting a wider audience, and there is no point for me to reinvent the wheel.

As for the workshops, I have currently outlined three most critical developments in the bitcoinworld, which do need to be accomplished with the utmost speed and determination, namely:

- The Dealer Network, to stabilize the price during its appreciation phase and remove the single point of failure (Mt.Gox)
- The Supernode, to strengthen the socio-economic network, develop local power centers, and tie Bitcoin to the real world existing networks
- The Real Bill, to enable such a stable price in the long run that bitcoin can be used as a unit of account in production of goods and services

If you think there is anything more urgent and important to be done in this world than these, please post it here. Since I am pretty serious with this conference and consider it the culmination of my short career in bitcoin.

If you just see the blackness of the cars and hotness of the girls, you are myopic. This all needs to be there but the real content is in the workshops.

Thank you for the Casascius coins, they are beautiful, and a lasting testimony to your foresight.
7176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 30, 2013, 03:59:48 PM
Trying to accomplish? Nothing, people are selling...

Sorry I have a hard time trying to "predict" micro-movements, since they are completely uninteresting (except from the daytrading point of view which I do admit is the topic of the thread).

Big boys run the casino. Don't buy high, sell low for some "momentum" considerations, since it is all painting of the tape and other tricks.

Buy 100% into bitcoin. Then send 10% of your coins to an exchange of your choice, and always sell at the very highest point, trying to buy back lower. Only reasonable way to trade bitcoin (imho) is to short it. Going speculative long is waste of time. Be all in, and drop 10% when it is going too high (after 20-30% daily move this is pretty much the case, and if you are nimble, even 10% can be traded with grace and ease).

*painting the tape = selling to yourself with high volume after you have moved the price to a direction of your choice, to convince the market that something has happened to warrant a new price.
7177  Economy / Speculation / Re: $1 Trillion Bitcoin on: April 30, 2013, 03:39:19 PM
One million $ per BTC in 2013? Seriously guys, that's just ridiculous.

Instead of outright denial, why don't you post some proof?

Currently I don't see a proof anywhere in this world that Bitcoin can go to zero, OR that it can go anywhere but up in the months and months to come.
7178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 30, 2013, 03:36:20 PM
I think $137.5 will likely hold. If not, it is just more coins to the strong hands, and the runup will be that faster..

The cup is now quite tilted to the downside. Expect immediate bounce to about $141.
7179  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 30, 2013, 02:22:57 PM
hmm looks like up to me and 2 to 1 odds seems about right.

No I'm not gonna bet you BTC5,000 though.

I'm agreeing with you. I think we have a 2 to 1 shot of breaking out of that triangle on the up side.

I'll have to see what happens tomorrow as I'm off to bed.

Night all.

G'night. Seems that we both lost though  Cheesy
7180  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 30, 2013, 02:15:02 PM
hmm looks like up to me and 2 to 1 odds seems about right.

No I'm not gonna bet you BTC5,000 though.
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