You know if these scammers knew how easy it was to get their physical address and anonymously just show up at their house and beat the shit of them I think they might slow down in their scams. If I tell people how easily (not cheap but easy) it is to get a physical address to some of these people they will begin to try and hide it. But gaining a physical address for anyone is a lot more simple than you may think, It could be a little costly, but all legal and easy. It would only take a few people to beat the living hell out of a thief scammer, take his scandaled wallet.dat and torture the private keys out of them and they and others wont be so fast to scam. I mean would you take the chance of scamming people if you knew there may eb a chance one day you come home to be greeted with a person you do not know, that you have never seen who proceeds to beat your ass so badly and torture your wallet.dat and private keys out of you because you scammed them, as a scammer how would you know exactly who to prosecute for assault with all the mixing services how would you find the coins? You then would be screwed and others who know the story would be hesitant to scam.

Simply put NOT ENOUGH, as the year comes to an end and the new year begins, I have high hopes it will bring with it new people interested in Bitoins. as these times rapidly approach I notice I do not have enough BTC in my wallet. but the Little I have in my wallets the better

Well you do not have to "purchase" them. Keep the ones you have, mine the ones you want, and go forward, hold them until you make the value on your investment that satisfies you.Selling them could possibly be counterproductive right now. Everyone seems to think the market will be turning around on this magical December 22 date so we will see soon how good their assumptions are. I do not think anything will turn this market around till after January, if we do not see a drastic move then it should be right after April, if we dont see a drastic move after those 2 dates it will never move back up over 1000 dollars unless the developers pull a miracle out of their ass. I think if it were going up in December it already would have done so. the business economics in me just doesn't prove any reason it would rise after December 22 in a way they are all predicting it to.

Volume is not really anything more than a way to make a technical analysis, people who do currency technical analysis use the volumes of trades made in an area of time to guesstimate  how the next months news might impact a market. A high volume of trades on a certain release of news should be the same every month the news is released.

Volume trades and technical analysis are based on market activity, usually due to news reports release or information based upon the demand for the currency. So if the United states is releasing a report of Durable Goods Orders this has a heavy impact on its market, and is considered a high priority report. If the news report reflects a higher than predicted number number of goods ordered the demand for USD increases thus people will be buying it, if it reflects lower than expected number of goods ordered the demand for USD decreases and many people will sell it. Then based upon \last years number of volumes in conjunction with last months number of volumes traded fr this news report an analysis can be made of roughly how much that market will move with the release of this next report.

Because there is nothing in the Bitcoin market Demanding the purchase of the coin, a technical analysis can not be made. Because you never know why or when investors will actually buy Bitcoins it makes it impossible to try and make a technical analysis and even more stupid to try and follow some idiot who is attempting it.  In the case above you can see the market moves becasue the demand for the USD is moved due to people wanting it based upon a report of the US doing something. Either a lotof countries have ordered goods produced by USA or they did not, and this impacts its demand according tohow the news has moved. Other countries buying a lot of United States goods increases the need (demand) for the USD and intices investors to buy the USD, not selling a lot of goods to other countries decreses the need for the USD and intices investors to sell the USD and get out of the market ASAP.

Now do some of you "veterans" understand what i mean by Bitcoins has NO demand, there is nothing forcing people to want to invest in bitcoins, there is nothing that can give an investor a clue as to how he can make money from bitcoins, to a high dollar investor the market is not only volatile, but can be controlled by any 1 person with enough Bitcoins or cash to move the market. To an investor buying bitcoins is just a gamble, there is no guarantee of anything in this market, and until they have something they can make an estimated guess on this market they will sit back and watch. If they wanted to gamble with bitcoins they can better do that on seals than buying bitcoins in hopes the market is going to move.

Seriously bro you are not that naive are you? I should have self moderated this thread for stupidity like this!

20 Billion in stocks, what about the 4 trillion big banks throw around in the foreign currency market. The Big banks profit 4 trillion a day in forex, so with that you know a minimum of 8 trillion is thrown around daily in the forex market buying and selling a variety of worldly currencies.

I think we need to stop comparing Bitocins to cash in all aspects, Bitcoin is NOT a currency, and when a lot of you realize this, you will be much better. It is called Digital currency because it is a way to transact cash digitally from one place to another, not because it was meant to replace cash. It was intended to compliment cash and save YOU money in the process. It provided a way for Huge corporations to save millions of dollars a year by transacting with bitcoins instead of cash.

Ok this post is for people who have the slightest intelligence in business economics, and a portion of intelligence in Currency Trading, so if you have neither dont even bother replying because I will call you out on your bullshit.


Knowing business we know what about this time of year? We know huge corporations and businesses need a way to hide large amounts of money. To make a purchase and list it in the books but still have their money somewhere. Because of tax season coming up and 4th quarter fiscal, they need to hide money Anonymously. SO why has the value of bitcoins not gone up? What better way to anonymously hide money, make a legal purchase that can be shown in the books other than buying bitcoins? But it seems no one is doing this, and will not be doing it this year.


I had expected a pretty big jump last week as that is usually when companies have finalized what they would be ding to hide the cash they needed hidden. A lot of companies use the forex market to do this, however it is trackable for profits, so they would still be paying taxes on the money they earn while hiding it. But bitcoins is no a currency or on the forex, they can easily buy a bunch of bitcoins and hide their cash without paying taxes on the earnings made from it. Once they begin passing laws over bitcoin this will not be possible, but right now it is very feasible to buy bitcoins with a legal transaction on the books that no one knows in the IRS what really was bought. They will just see a purchase for X amount of dollars.

You are an idiot with your uneducated false hope posts!

Bitcoin has seen a 12% to 20% drop every month since JUNE with an overall 57% drop in 6 months DAH, wake up bro. Please learn something, anything about currency markets. Bitcoin price 370 (December 1 2014) down to 312 (Today) that is a 15% drop.

Bitcoin is not a safe haven currency or commodity (Gold) so they would not fall back on bitcoins even if it wasn't outlawed. They would and have fallen to9 gold or silver to keep their value of the roubles they own.

Now, the Rouble drop was due to oil prices dropping in the west. Because a lot of Russias economy rests in its production and export of crude and refined oils when the western price of oil drops so does their unit of money. More than likely this was due to a high supply and lower demand, in addition with the sanctions.

The difference between bitcoin and the Rouble, Bitocin has no demand to strengthen its market, and Russias rouble will bounce back when the oil prices rise again, even if sanctions are not lifted when the supply becomes lower than the demand prices of oil will go back up strengthening the Rouble against the dollar again.

What does bitocin have behind it pushing its demand ....NOTHING!!!!!

That is not a good trading strategy HAHA, your strategy could have you flat broke or hedged out of your portfolio in days. dont go against or with the crowd do your own due diligence and make educated trades, thats how I was so profitable in the forex market, i didnt follow anyones advice or not follow anyones advice I did my own thing. I have 380 consecutive wins on trades by doing my own work and following NO ONE and that was before I cashed out to get into bitcoins And my wins are not your investment firm wins of 0.01 volume, my trades were 1 to 10 volumes at a time.

Yes I love threads like this, believers are disproved in less than a month or 2, the disgruntled non believers think they are right because they disproved the FHPers (FHP = FALSE HOPE POST) Oh lord, once 1/4 of this community begins to understand trading and how it works, and the bitcoin developers get off their ass and ceate a real demand stronger than its tradable value, this back and forth all year long between the FUDers and FHPers will never go away.

My thoughts bitcoin will see below 200 if it hits below 100 good luck, because it takes the chance to be destroyed before it has a chance to bounce back. Anything lower than 200 bucks a coin makes it completely non profitable to mine PERIOD, without miners you dream fades away. For you idiots who are gonna say well the bigger mines are gonna keep going, you stupid if you think that. if a small 1 machine miner cant mine without a profit and pay their bills what the hell makes you think a farm with 2000 machines can? they still have electric to pay. And if you seriously think these big farms keep huge portions of coins You even more stupid than I originally thought, we mine coins to make money, not because we are doing something usefull to bitcoins, we do it to make a profit. And if you honestly think the bitcoin developers are sitting on 20 PHS of mining power again your an idiot, they are not that smart, they cant even secure a demand for their coin, what the hell makes you think they were smart enough to secure it transaction processes.


FIRST, I CALL BULLSHIT!!!!
what is your bitcoin address to prove you dropped 500,000 USD in bitcoin in June/July ( that is when it was 640 a coin) we want proof, I dont believe you, why dont I believe you because the market did not move to back your foolish statement up. thats why !!

HAHAHAHA I love posts like this, In july I saw a post that looked like this

Short-term price projection: $1,000 by December 2014
Long-term price projection: $10,000 by January 2016

Bitcoin will NEVER hit 10,000 dollars a coin so forget it !!! Its never EVER going to happen, it is not possible

Ip Tracker HAHAHA

I never lost my coins, I use a desktop wallet on a computer that has nothing but currency wallets, it is on its own internet connection and is disconnected from the internet when not transferring coins. I also do not use it for anything else, Chrome and firefox are not even installed, Google, facebook, yahoo and youtube are all blocked within CMD All that computer is used for is sending coins nothing else. I do not read emails there I do not surf the web, I do nothing else from that computer.

I will answer this question  with a few questions

What was it like the first time you set up a checking account?

How was your first experience with sending money via western union

How easy was it to get your paypal account stated linked with your bank account and a bank debit/credit card?

To be honest, compared to paypal I dont see why getting bitcoin started seems to be so complicated to a lot of people? It is actually easier than paypal, and takes a lot less time I had my bitcoin stuff up and running (including my wallet) in less than 20 minutes.

Firstly Microsoft whole enterprise was secured by stock investments. they were and most likely always will be a part of Microsofts business structure, much like a lot of huge businesses. They use dividend stocks to secure backup finances for the company.  so I can guarantee they are keeping a portion of the bitcoins that are transacted in the sales.

Secondly, Please go back and look at the charts of Bitcoin for the past 6 months. Microsoft had nothing to do with the value of bitcoin is any way. Not positive or negative. ALl this hype of picking up more and more merchants who are dumping the coins every two weeks on top of the miners who are barely making a profit mining right now, in addition to the hundreds of scam cloud sites dumping coins continuously, and the developers of bitcoin refusing to put an effort in creating a demand for the coin to stabilize its tradable value and what you have is a steady 40 to 60 dollars every two weeks decline. more people are selling bitcoins that are buying them. basic trading logic

I am not sure what it is the devs are busy doing, but this coin is certainly not at the top of thier priority list in any way, that you cna be sure of. I think they get up everymorning, sell 200 bitcoins each and just watch the newsfeeds about bitcoin, then go play golf. They are waiting for us (the community) to do all the work for them.

I did not log into the site, but it is nice to see FINALLY someone is doing something productive to create a demand. All these people wanting AMAZON to accept bitcoins, This place seems much better screw coin dumping merchants, use a site like this save 20% just for using bitcoins, or just buy giftcards for the site or merchant you want . maybe then the two week dump will not be so bad.

Don't worry Bitcoin developers, we will make you lots of money by completing your job, You just sit there and wait for us to fill your pockets with cash. Your doing a fine job of doing nothing to create a demand for your coin. Just let us do all the work.

Wow to think of this on a larger investment point of view, whoever owns goldsilver.com stands to make a lot of money from this venture. Wow. I wish I owned a site that could buy and sell gold silver and platinum.

Look at the price of bitcoins to DOWN DOWN DOWN, Haha I am not sure who is doing it, but I have my ideas as to what is going on and I AM HOARDING!!

No by miners I was talking about the people who pay them for cloud and the ones who point their machines there, So what is your excuse for them reporting sometimes 20 to 50 percent of the rates of the machines pointed at their pool, what can you pull out of your ass to protect them about that? let em guess Variance or wait maybe pool luck, or I bet its my machines ahuh anything but CEX of course.

Ye i actually can prove this part and here is your proof. of how you buy Cloud mining and lose money on cex.io this is pulled directly from my account there.

2014-12-13 11:22:30   -0.00010634 BTC   -0.00007886    MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 216576 , Cost: -0.00010634
2014-12-13 11:22:30    0.00005109 BTC   0.00002748    MINING   -   Block #334075, Reward: 0.00005109

2014-12-13 07:09:50   -0.00007693 BTC   -0.00010046    MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 156672 , Cost: -0.00007693
2014-12-13 07:09:50    0.00005014 BTC   -0.00002353    MINING   -   Block #334049, Reward: 0.00005014

2014-12-13 05:20:47   -0.00011816 BTC   -0.00007367    MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 240640 , Cost: -0.00011816
2014-12-13 05:20:47    0.00004888 BTC   0.00004449    MINING   -   Block #334038, Reward: 0.00004888

2014-12-13 02:36:42   -0.00006185 BTC   -0.00000439    MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 125952 , Cost: -0.00006185
2014-12-13 02:36:42    0.00004143 BTC   0.00005746    MINING   -   Block #334031, Reward: 0.00004143

This is just a few blocks do you need more how about different sized hashrates o their cloud. how much do you need. do you see the rewards are lower than the fees. THIS IS NOT EVER POSSIBLE UNLESS YOUR RIPPING PEOPLE OFF some of them have fees that are doube and truiple what the reward was OMG SCAM!!!


I understand pool luck I am not stupid, You have your head sofar up CEX.ios ass you cant see the truth if it smacked you i the lips, thats not my problem its yours.

Ok seriously did you even mention about something being fair HOW STUPID ARE YOU, what is fair about pointing 20THS at their pool and them showing we have only 3 THS pointed there for 19 hours? What is fair about them having a server problem and wasting our electricity but not reimbursing us for their problems that they got paid for. What is fair about paying them X amount of BTC for cloud mining then having fees larger than the rewards. What is fair about solving blocks then not paying out on thsoe blocks until we make suh a huge fuss they have no choice, what is fair about hiding blocks that we solve?  Please tell me anything that is fair about CEX.io that is not outlandishly a fabrication in your mind that is so far up their ass?
the proof you desire is everywhere you choose not to believe it. I am not the only one complaining, and others are noticing their bullshit too they dropped 10 PHS this past month in hardware miners pointing their machines at them.

Your problem is, like a lot of wannabe know it alls in the bitcoin industry, you have no equipment, you do not run true tests, you have a lot to say and a huge opinion backed up  by nothing, no real work involved, no real machines you test with, no real accounts just your opinion.

You are a waste of our time, and a waste of space, Sorry to be blunt but you sir piss me off.

Abiding by bullshit policy they wrote purposely to mislead its members is a SCAM DAAAH. they meet their contracts so people like you will say "bal bla bla if you can show me where they have not met their contractual BLA BLA BLA" I can show you where they are making more than their miners, I can show you where buying thier cloud causes you to lose BTC rather than gain it, I can show you where their reported hashrates of your machines are more than 10% difference usually expected, I can show you where they are paying us only 50% of our work. That SIR is a scam company!!!! ANd FYI your contractual agreement is bullshit they base their contractual agreement on a base of X amount of dollars per GHS for maintenance fees yet charge us per share submitted, there is your discrepancy, . If they only charge X amount of dollars per GHS why do i get charged on every lock I mine, should not the Fees be taken at the beginning of every month before they are accrued to be more fair? then at the end of the month the amount of BTC you have left over is your profit after the fees? And to be honest if I wanted to take the time I could disprove their what is it 10 cents per GHS, that is a flat our lie, i get charged well over 10 cents per GHS in fees every month. its more like 10 cents per GHS per block solved

Assumptions made on opinion and not experience are not very valuable, they are just another opinion. and that is it. What new people need are real experiences, people who are members and have been either screwed or have good experiences, ROI is all that is important, at this stage of the game no one is a forever, so as long as people can at least make their money back and make a profit that is what we are stuck with. Until a good person like me who is honest and wants a business that will progress and be here for a while opens a real cloud mining site, or maybe even you (alktho I dont like your opinion it does not make you a dishonest business man) if people like us who are honest and want to progress forward with the help of others and grow as a team, until we make a real site, all we have are hopes of getting an ROI as fast as possible and keep flipping it.

Just so you know Eobot is not a ponzi scam as per your system, they actually took buying GHS off the market a couple of months ago for 3 or 4 weeks because they did not have the equipment to meet the purchases from its members. So for 3 or 4 weeks maybe even 5 (I know it was a while) we were not able to buy any GHS cloud.

Please tell me of all these predictions how many of them are you actually a real member of for more than 3 months at a time. You say CEX is not a scam, but to real people a scam is anything that is decieptful in thier actions of what they provide. CEX is an absolute scam, they lie and fiddle numbers, they do not give the proper values of your mining equipment, they payout less than 50 % of what you mine and their fees on thier cloud is just a calculated scam.

So tell me sir, of all of these sites you claim are Ponzi scams how many fo them are you actually a true enlisted member of and have actually put in BTC to truly test your system?

A system based upon opinion and guess work is no system to trust. Alth your list could be usefull precautions, what about the sites like Eobot who have fallen in your scam section that are not. Do you not worry about slander charges sir?

Because from what I read I gathered altho a site may be a scam, they all are! BUT if you get in early, you can, and will make your money back and then some until they fold under. So basically (to me) what you are saying is to assume they are all scams and just get in early to make your ROI.


Anyone with Photoshop experience can see this image however they were able to use it in a video, it totally shopped. You can see the angle of the racks exactly same crooked angles all the way down thru, the same exact machines in the same exact position on every rack and the things he pointed out by circling them. Its amazing how far people will go to get their scam done. I mean what is it they are thinking , ok lets spend 150 BTC to conjure up this scam and when we get 160 we can close it down. I mean seriously what kind of criminals do we have today that are so criminal to put this much work into a scam, why not just take the time and do it for real? You know?

I removed a couple posts because they did not meet the threads requirements.

mindrust I sent you a PM regarding your questions you asked tho your welcome