common ground with the XT team ??  you haven't been following too well have you. there is no place for common ground in XT I think there is just no humour left in your world. I'd say there are plenty who dont want to hang out in the dark corners of your world. |
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So whats the consensus here? Are we agreeing to differ?  Look, I think we all want bitcoin to succeed, or we would all be on pornhub right now. bitcoinXT is a move towards trying to address some ( but not all) of the immediate shortcomings in the protocol. Its far from perfect - I now accept that the code can do a live connect to tor to get an exit node list, something I am absolutely against - but in principle I feel that it is a valid release within the spirit of open source and bitcoin. I dont believe that it will be a magic potion that will suddenly allow us to give Visanet a run for its money. But it does get the ball rolling and get the debate into a wider arena. Okay, this makes some people very unhappy, but you will never keep everyone happy in a project of this nature. It comes down to a straight choice - given all the factors you either decide to run with XT as a vote towards its core value of bigger blocks, or you stay with core, where you say that you dont want to move on without full consensus. Bitcoin is more than capable of absorbing forks of this nature (whether you class them as software forks, hardware forks or schisms) - whats more important is that it doesn't decent into the naked hatred that has been evident here lately. There is no need. I myself am guilty of contributing to that. But I'm now drawing a line under that, I dont want to personalise this any further as a battle between guys on one team versus guys on another. They have all worked together in the past, and I am sure they will be able to do so in the future - irrespective of the outcome of the XT plebiscite. I dont know, maybe a last minute patch to core that offers a compromise between the two implementations might be more appropriate. But I can't judge whether there is an appetite for this or not. |
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OK this really looks serious. Gavin and Mike are starting the first real attack against Bitcoin and all that it stands for.
Stop XT!
Did you really write this? How are developers responding to this severe limitation of Bitcoin's usage. There are currently 72000 (!) unconfirmed transactions but it seems they don't really want to acknowledge it.
Perhaps set a limit of tx/s to discourage spamming the mempool and block malicious nodes.
You complete and utter tool. |
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You do know that is a python script, run at compile time to dynamically generate the list from tor? Unless you are recompiling bitcoin binaries ( on your live server!!) every time you start your node, then this is not an issue. If tor does indeed log ip addresses ( which makes the whole thing pointless anyway) then they are only logging the address of the machine that compiled the code. In most (intelligent) cases that will not be the one running the node. In most cases you will be downloading binaries.
Do I get my candy now?
Yes yes, you get candy! Meanwhile a new commit will come up to "improve anti-ddos" which will move that stuff directly in the bitcoin binary. Gavin would ACK Mike's pull request and it's done! Thanks! It would be a pointless way to do it - if it was that urgent to update exit nodes then you would just use a relay service. That way 'they' (as in gubmint) could only track the relay. |
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I am amased of the army of XT shill trolls in this thread trying to deny the obvious
Nobody is denying anything. Its been explained. If you cant grasp what it does and how it works then nobody is forcing you to do anything. Do you need to call someone a shill troll for merely pointing that out? Or is there really only one side to this debate  Probably someone is shouting in the phone: "Bring in more trolls! Now! They found out the candy!" The following is so darn hard to understand, I'm so confused! You do know that is a python script, run at compile time to dynamically generate the list from tor? Unless you are recompiling bitcoin binaries ( on your live server!!) every time you start your node, then this is not an issue. If tor does indeed log ip addresses ( which makes the whole thing pointless anyway) then they are only logging the address of the machine that compiled the code. In most (intelligent) cases that will not be the one running the node. In most cases you will be downloading binaries. Do I get my candy now? |
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It explicitly says it disconnects addresses with low to negative priority.
This would be the first time in history that anyone was blacklisted from using Bitcoin if XT forks, it's a big deal and against the fundamental reasons Bitcoin is used.
Thanks for this...it is a definite eye-opener!  It sure was. >How one person can so misinterpret a few lines of code so badly is beyond most. Especially when he freely admits he doesn't understand the code and how tor peers work. Yet when propeller heads from both sides explain it, he persists. A few lines?! There's tens of thousands of lines of code for this. Do you how cvs diff works? |
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I am amased of the army of XT shill trolls in this thread trying to deny the obvious
Nobody is denying anything. Its been explained. If you cant grasp what it does and how it works then nobody is forcing you to do anything. Do you need to call someone a shill troll for merely pointing that out? Or is there really only one side to this debate |
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No, it's political because Gavin went off on his own and tried to fork bitcoin when core devs didn't take to his ideas, polarizing the community. And because certain parties sought to force the debate by spamming the blockchain; investors, speculators and the media are drawing a connection between this XT drama and the return to a bear market. It's political because Gavin's approach is "my way or the highway" when many do not support his ideas.
Hence you making hundreds of posts, doing very little but making baseless ad hominems and insulting people left and right, while not showing any evidence whatsoever that you "understand the topic better than" anyone. You simply keep repeating that you do. I didn't take this "FUD" without a grain of salt, and I was merely questioning the way it was carried out, and whether some of the changes were necessary given the contentious nature of this debate. Many of the points I was raising -- which you have not addressed -- do not require a technical understanding, so that point is moot anyway. And don't get it twisted; I wasn't calling anyone in here a shill but you.
It shouldn't be political, but it clearly is. But what it should never be is personal. Its software - we will work it out. |
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It explicitly says it disconnects addresses with low to negative priority.
This would be the first time in history that anyone was blacklisted from using Bitcoin if XT forks, it's a big deal and against the fundamental reasons Bitcoin is used.
Thanks for this...it is a definite eye-opener! It sure was. >How one person can so misinterpret a few lines of code so badly is beyond most. Especially when he freely admits he doesn't understand the code and how tor peers work. Yet when propeller heads from both sides explain it, he persists. |
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The urgency isn't even in block size or scalability. The urgency is in fixing the goddamn decision-making process among the core devs. You think Hearn was wrong about that?
From an objective standpoint, looking at Hearn's contributions as a whole (the database change that caused the first fork, the redlisting coins proposal, and XT in particular) I think one could come to the logical conclusion that Hearn has been compromised by the NSA or some other three letter agency, likely recruited while he was still with Google. Oh get real. Insisting on personalising the debate is childish - just stick to the technical and practical issues that we are discussing. And keep your ludicrous tin hat theories for you're evenings in your fallout shelter, counting your ammo and tins of spam with your militia buddies. |
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stop with the FUD and sloganeering ... bitcoin can scale just fine without the induced... blah blah blah.
So what yer sayin' there fella is Bitcoin can scale fine as long as we dont scale it... Maybe you would like to sit down, perhaps have a nice cup of tea, and maybe think about that one for a while.  |
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Before cypherdoc locked his thread and tried to blame the mods,
Using censorship to silence any individual or groups of individuals is fundamentally one of the most horrible things that can be done to a human being. You know that claim is nonsense, but join in the attack to silence others. You are simply a horrible person, you think you are funny but you are not. Welcome to my permanent ignore list. Gavinistas have been censoring people on reddit for months. Stop being an hypocrite. I'm not endorsing any censorship but this attempt from your side at claiming moral high ground is deceitful and unwarranted. You've gone beyond even thinking about what you are saying now. Its just a yarn, to be spun out as long as someone will listen to you. You should spend less time spouting pseudo intellectual bullshit and get yourself an education. |
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Yes, but never the moral authority to force it through everyone's throat with a campaign of coordinated PR hack jobs painted with all the fallacious arguments in the dictum.
Fallacious arguments in the dictum??? I'd say thats kinda painful. |
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EDIT: And no idea what you talking about hire Not the originating (connecting) peer. Which it wouldn't know anyway because...tor. I was replying to turtlehuricane. I think this thread went full retard about an hour ago. But well done in your efforts to explain it. (last line was trying to explain that the prioritisation refers to the ip of the tor exit node, NOT the ip of your local peer) |
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we reached 13% XT+NotXT Nodes.
^FTFY Pretending 100% of self-reported node versions are genuine instead of spoofed only shows how dishonest you Gavincoiners are. Is there anything you won't do to mislead the public? Lets say your litle scam works and instead of an ordered fork to XT there is a slight back flap and miners loose money, where would you or Adam Back ( its joint promoters) stand on liability? Have you taken out a policy on it? Or is misrepresentation not insurable In fact, even if it didn't work, I reckon Miners/Exchanges/Nodes would have a case for the risk of loss it exposed them to. I've only seen it promoted twice ( apart from your signature): once on reddit, and that article Back did for spectrum. I guess you reckon Back has deeper pockets than you. wirdeseinegabelsein |
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Why does Hearn want to cram huge controversial poison-pill commits into XT along with the popular blocksize commit of Gavin's is the real question.
It's like those politicians cramming all the surveillance shit in the "Schumer Bill For The Protection of Widows Orphans and Kiddies."
Its a rule that you can turn off anytime. Reason its a controversy because someone make it be. The XT was under DDoS attack, he had to write a defense mechanism quick. This feature does not affect anyone's privacy. You cant let emotion and prejudice to blind you It logs your IP and potentially puts it on a blacklist, even if you're on tor or a proxy. That is the definition of compromising privacy. The offending comment and code you mentioned : //A group of logically related IP addresses. Useful for banning or deprioritising sources of abusive traffic/DoS attacks. ... refers to Tor proxy peers. Not the originating (connecting) peer. Which it wouldn't know anyway because...tor. |
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We are going down from 280$ to 220$ in less than 10 days because two shills want to prove their might by forking bitcoin?
Okay, so now we know how little you understand the market. Thanks for sharing, partner! The answer from community is clear now, Gavin & Mike ?
Yup. 14% of nodes now and rising.  LOL Gavin&Mike fanboys. I don't want to discuss about blockchain size anymore, I just look at the price, ok? Prove me wrong otherwise GTFO. Ok, you look at the price. But be careful not to hurt yourself, they're a bit spikey. Btw, your 14% is mostly new nodes. Existing nodes doesn't change. No, we're going down because investors are starting to pay attention and realize that a coin capped at 2-3 tps does not deserve a $3 billion market cap.
Scaling to 56 transaction per second by forcing doesn't magically increase the market cap either. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. |
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We are going down from 280$ to 220$ in less than 10 days because two shills want to prove their might by forking bitcoin?
Okay, so now we know how little you understand the market. Thanks for sharing, partner! The answer from community is clear now, Gavin & Mike ?
Yup. 14% of nodes now and rising. |
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Would absolutely love for the core dev team to get on-board with bigger blocks and I'm sure most other people would too. Now that their bluff has been called, maybe we'll see them implement something.
There is no need for bigger block size. There is no need to increase the size of blocks every time we get near the limit. There is no need for free money transfers for everyone. Everything that is free for the users but not free for the manufacturers will be abused in every possible way. That is a basic rule for every economy!!! Blockchain will be cluttered with spam and bitcoin will become worthless. Everyone should get accustomed to the idea that they have to compete with higher fees to get included in a block. XT altcoin gives no solution to this at all. It just kicks the can down the road in the most irresponsible way! So want a bitcoin only for those rich enough to be able to get their tx's on the chain? How libertarian. Such altruism. You are a perfect fit for the blockstream dream of a bitcoin solely accessible from a private sidechain. No direct access to the non-monied proletariat. I think that is a seismic shift from satoshis original plan. How do you reconcile that? |
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log everyone's IPs, blacklist and block tor?
thank to let me know, I will never use XT and will always fight it
No. Optional No. If used behind a proxy it doesn't do anything. Seriously, though, if you are going to be a core crusader you might start by checking a few of the facts first. |
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