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7281  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm leaving Bitcoin on: December 21, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Well we hope you don't leave bitcoin forever and come back to the btc community and let us know how you are progressing in your other fields of choice but it is your decision and your decision alone to take and must be rested. Good luck in all that you do in the future and may it be a bright one for you too!

If you took the effort to just click on his name and see his stats, then you could see that he was online in October of this year. His last post dates back to 2013, but he has negative rep from 2 people that are well known here. Looks like his reason to "leave" the Bitcoin world might be different than what he want others to believe....

leaving bitcoin for now for the sake of it is not clear just going to make you lose. bitcoin price increases, if you're not taking the time to search for and collect bitcoin, maybe you'll be sorry when the price of bitcoin rise to the price of $ 1,000. well, probably better if you're still looking for bitcoin in the free time you have.

You clearly didn't read the OP....

I'll be a Bitcoin lover forever, and I will come back to this forum regularly to discuss about the future that's in our own hands! I will keep the 1,000 BTC  gold coin as a lifetime investment and I'm pretty confident that it'll be the best investment ever in my life.

Bitcoin FTW!

7282  Other / Archival / Re: Do you agree with idea "Bitcoin bank" ? on: December 21, 2016, 08:15:22 AM
No I do not think that we need something like that because of the fact that its something that is not needed for us right now.

With the fast pace of technology, we may say now that we don't need it but I guess when the right time comes. We don't have choice when those banks are going to adopt the usage of bitcoin with their system. But as of now we don't need to think about that for that will be a long debate in the congress of a country that will allow that to happen.

Banks will not adopt Bitcoin as in them offering you a Bitcoin bank account where you can deposit and withdraw coins. What I however can see happening at some point, is that they offer a feature to trade Bitcoin via a stock-like manner. It's you buying and selling Bitcoin, but without the ability of actually depositing and withdrawing Bitcoin. It's perhaps an extreme example, but I can't think of any other ways of seeing banks jump into Bitcoin. Not that they wouldn't see anything in it, but just because of the government keeping them under tight control.
7283  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC at $1,000 by Christmas? on: December 21, 2016, 07:24:07 AM
wont the btc price fall after Christmas when people cash out, like last year?

Nothing serious happened last year after Christmas. Not sure what you are referring to as I am right now looking at the Charts but not see anything of importance. The only thing that seems to be somewhat worthy of mentioning, is the dump that started somewhere in mid January that got the price to go down from around $440 to below $360 in a very short time. I am not sure what the exact reason was, but it was a very decent price to enter the market for sure.
7284  Bitcoin / Press / Re: []2016-12-21]2016 China Bitcoin Ransomware Report 4.97 million PCs infected on: December 21, 2016, 06:39:28 AM
No surprise. Bitcoin has been the ultimate payment tool for "getting rid" of ransom ware as is being promised when payment is completed. Right now it's either Western Union and MoneyGram that is being used for such purposes, but Bitcoin is far more interesting since it can be sent over instantly without leaving any trails behind. But I have always said it, never reward these criminals as it only gives them more incentive to continue doing this. Just make sure you at all times have an active and recent backup that you can fall back on. Just secure erase the drive, and problem solved.
7285  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitfinex - Funding. Yes or No? on: December 21, 2016, 06:20:35 AM
Better not to support this site anymore. Once it happened already, the vulnerability of the site is there. And the possibility that it can be hacked again is always there. Even though bitfinex is doing hard to get back the trust of the people still better to be safe than to be sorry in the end. Take the risk if you want, but we warned you.

I personally don't believe Bitfinex was hacked, but opinions on this might be different. However, no matter what has happened, a fair amount of its major traders are still making use of Bitfinex because its interface and such is more appealing to them when it comes to marginal trading and all that. But still, their trading volumes are still not recovered, and that's mostly due to the fact that a certain number of traders have left that exchange. That being said, I wonder where they might have gone as I don't see a serious increase of volume on other exchanges which might indicate that Bitfinex's old traders have gone there.

OP - I wouldn't make use of Bitfinex, but if you think it's the right exchange for you, and you make a decent amount of money, then just continue your business there. But don't forget what has happened a few months ago.
7286  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin 2017 Predictions on: December 21, 2016, 05:53:12 AM
I voted for $1000 - $2500, that's what I am thinking about the price of bitcoin in the coming 2017 year end, that's 12 months to go and usually at year end the price of bitcoin is always increasing. So probably we are going to be at $1000 up next year end. Lets just hope that there is no drama, no hacking and no satire news that would come to bitcoin so its just in its path and won't be derailed.


I of course hope there won't be any drama as well, but let's face it, so far since Bitcoin's very first exchange listing there has always been some sort of drama popping up from time to time. I don't think it will be any different in the coming years. I just hope it won't be anything severe like another exchange supposedly getting hacked, while the operators themselves are are thieves. But some sort of drama that gets the price to go down in a decent manner is basically a very welcome happening for traders as it brings volatility back, plus heavy price swings. In that regard, for me as a trader it wouldn't be that bad of an outcome. But of course, I also don't want more dirt to be thrown at Bitcoin.
7287  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin reached $800! on: December 21, 2016, 05:45:27 AM
It's good to see that we are finally sitting above the $800 levels, but I don't think we'll be able to maintain it for very long. It's too soon yet, I know, but it's practically impossible to keep the price there at its first attempt. Large players securing profits will push the price back to $780-$790 again. But that's not really a big deal. It leaves some room for traders to scoop up some extra profits.
7288  Economy / Economics / Re: Sell Everything? on: December 20, 2016, 10:09:00 AM
Right now it is best to sell every thing the price is really high because we don't know what is going to happen in the next year it may rise or it may fall. But if you are ready to face any type of challenge then you can hold your bitcoin. May be many experts are telling bitcoin price will fall down in the year 2017. You can buy back your bitcoin once it fall down.

Of course, the current price lends itself perfectly for people to secure profits at, but people should at all times be avoiding to sell off all their coins at once. I can't think of anyone being very happy after having sold everything at a certain price. People feel some sort of emptiness as they can no longer benefit from the price going up even more. That's why you should secure profits with small steps at a time. If the price happens to go up after you secured some of your profits, you'll be able to benefit even more by selling more. If the price happens to go down after you secured profits, you'll benefit in the way that you can buy back more coins for the same amount of money. No matter what happens, you'll benefit. Wink
7289  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do I grow my btc? on: December 20, 2016, 09:53:43 AM
Overall in my experience, trading altcoin is not a good way to grow our bitcoin as it has more risks than other type of trading.

Altcoin trading according to me fits exactly in the same category as gambling as the far majority of the altcoins are nothing more than outright copy and paste scam coins. Especially nowadays where the ICO is a big happening when it comes to getting a certain coin "project" to launch. People blindly "invest" their precious coins into something that is just made up to scoop up hundreds of coins in some cases. It's a well thought out plan to get a lot money in a very short time so easily. And once one of their coins is losing momentum, the people behind these coins will just launch a new ICO where they repeat everything.
7290  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin to be international currency on: December 20, 2016, 08:52:48 AM
The problem is that even bitcoin users believe more in fiat than btc.

Seriously, I don't believe in fiat at all. I just use it because it's a necessity in my daily life. No way I will believe in something that is only going down in value, and thus forcing people to put their money to work in order to not fall behind. That's why I have a good portion of my total wealth in Bitcoin. It's not only to avoid seeing my wealth lose value, but also to escape from the banking and governmental system. It's a complete package that Bitcoin offers me.

If they thought btc was the bomb, you will see more customers requesting that street stores add bitcoin payment options.

The main issue here is that people see Bitcoin far more as an investment tool than a currency tool that people can use to purchase stuff. Also take in mind that in most of the countries it's simply more convenient to just keep using fiat in order to buy your daily needs. Add that there are also zero fees involved when you purchase stuff, plus you don't have to worry about the volatility. Why would people then bother to use Bitcoin as local currency?
7291  Economy / Economics / Re: WILL BITCOIN BE USED BY ALMOST EVERYONE IN 2022? on: December 20, 2016, 08:38:01 AM
Today  bitcoin is already known worldwide. So we dont need 6 years to be able that all people will be using bitcoin.  Were living with  advance technology today, and were still uprading every year. It means that even next year bitcoin will be use by almost everyone.
Yeah already a lot of people have adopted it in the current year and in the nest year the adoption will be more and a lot of companies will also start it which will be on offline world and for 2022 I think we will wait for the government steps for it to adopt it.

If the block size is increased, there will be more people using it.

Bitcoin adoption growth is a very slow process that requires time to build up. I don't really think that a lot people that aren't yet in Bitcoin, are waiting for the moment that the block size gets bumped to 2MB in order to jump into Bitcoin. They could just very well start using Bitcoin right now as they won't experience much of a difference. I don't even think 95% of them are knowing what a block size increase will do. In that regard, I can't see this having a significant impact on the number of people flowing into Bitcoin.
7292  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is your Bitcoin really worth $xxx.xx? on: December 20, 2016, 07:37:23 AM
It's a fact that there isn't enough liquidity to offer insanely large holders the chance to cash out entirely. But I think at this point there isn't any of the large holders willing to do so beside the occasional profit taking opportunities. No way the market will recover from a scenario where legitimately hundreds of thousands of coins are being dumped. And this is just considering one very large player, and as you probably know, there are several with these level of stashes. Don't forget that the majority of the open orders are coming from bots most of the times directly pulling back their buy orders as soon as the price comes very close to where they are placed at. That means that there is even less liquidity in reality. And then I haven't even been talking about phantom orders....
7293  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is a good investment now, because... on: December 20, 2016, 07:23:15 AM
When the price starts to fall, it may be too dangerous to start catching falling knives. It is nice to enter the market at the bottom, but we never know where the true bottom is, just like we don't know where the top is. We all seem to expect the price to correct in the nearest future, but at the same time we still hope that Bitcoin will continue to rise further. In any case, riding the trend is more profitable and reliable in the long haul than going against it, and right now the price is trending upwards.

In order to ultimately benefit from the lowest price, I keep buying in smaller steps all the way to the bottom. That's basically also the case when it comes to the peak. I keep selling in smaller steps all the way to the top price. This has been helping me a lot at the time heavy peaks and dumps were popping up. That's why you should never buy or sell with everything you have at once. If the price happens to go up or down even more, you won't be able to get the most out of your money/coins.
7294  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Buying Drugs with Bitcoin ? on: December 20, 2016, 06:48:21 AM
I didn't think anything special about the subject. I have thought that bitcoin is easy converted in some other currencies through special exchangers and every users of bitcoin use their coins as they want for drugs or for something else, who cares?

The media cares, where after that they brainwash the average joe into making them think that Bitcoin is nothing more than a tool being used by criminals and terrorists. I personally don't care either, but for the average joe it's a big deal. Especially when you consider that Bitcoin doesn't have a central authority in place like is the case with banks. To the average person it's basically free game for drug dealers, weapon sellers, etc. They probably don't realize that the fiat money that they are using is being used for the exact same purpose, and even worse since cash money transactions can't be logged at all.
Well owning Bitcoin does not make you a criminal anyways. Its just that Bitcoin's image is not damage at all. I have asked a lot friends and they never related Bitcoin with Drugs. They know that Bitcoin is a kind of internet money that people use online and nothing more into that. And we all know media always spice up the news just to keep the crowd up and going.

Reasonable people see the benefit of Bitcoin and don't think it's just being used for whatever illegal purpose. They know that Bitcoin isn't any different from money, so there is no need to blame the tool for misuse by people. I however wish more people would think like your friends do, because if that was the case, the average joe would actually experience the benefit of using and holding Bitcoin. But they are too damn ignorant to do some research themselves, because what noobs take everything the media says for granted? Yep, the average joe.
7295  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Buying Drugs with Bitcoin ? on: December 20, 2016, 06:21:22 AM
I didn't think anything special about the subject. I have thought that bitcoin is easy converted in some other currencies through special exchangers and every users of bitcoin use their coins as they want for drugs or for something else, who cares?

The media cares, where after that they brainwash the average joe into making them think that Bitcoin is nothing more than a tool being used by criminals and terrorists. I personally don't care either, but for the average joe it's a big deal. Especially when you consider that Bitcoin doesn't have a central authority in place like is the case with banks. To the average person it's basically free game for drug dealers, weapon sellers, etc. They probably don't realize that the fiat money that they are using is being used for the exact same purpose, and even worse since cash money transactions can't be logged at all.
7296  Economy / Speculation / Re: When to expect the next big drop in BTC? on: December 19, 2016, 12:10:33 PM
expect the next big drop of bitcoin when it reach the $1000 barrier because I know there's a lot of users that will cash out their bitcoin because they reach their target so if it reach $1000 barrier per bitcoin it will drop down I think that will be a big drop down because almost half of the user will gonna cash it out because that's a huge money compare to the last year price of bitcoin
Yeah I'm agree that many users are waiting for the price if 1000$ per 1 BTC to cash out. I'm one of them and I don't wish to skip such a good chance. And logically it will follow the drop of bitcoin's price. But I doubt that in this case it will fall to 500-600$ maybe it will drop to 800$ but not lower.

It just depends on the moods of the large players. If they are willing to push the price further than just reaching the $1000 level, then we can expect them to support the price all the way to flat $900's as that will give people a space of around $100 to cash out and dump their coins. If they don't want to support the price, which would cost them a decent amount of buying power, then we shouldn't be surprised to fall back to $800 prices, and perhaps back to $700 prices. Don't forget that for us small traders it's easy to dump like 10% at once without it doing any harm to the markets. But when large players sell thousands of coins at once, it leaves a serious scar on the market. But then again, this is just wild speculation...
7297  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is a good investment now, because... on: December 19, 2016, 11:53:15 AM
Bitcoin is a good investment right now because its price is really good compare to its price this last months.

You're right with saying that the price has increased, but that just means that Bitcoin was a fantastic investment months ago as the price has gone up nicely till where we are sitting at currently. Right now it's a 50/50 situation where I personally wouldn't want to step into the market at current prices. Right now it's good to either keep holding, secure profits, or to simply wait till the price drops to enter the market.

Some of the people here says that bitcoin would reach $900 on Christmas which is would be really awesome if this would really going to happen.

Don't add much value to the predictions made here as they mostly are way off from the reality. Reaching the $800 level, and perhaps going slightly over it to around $820 is the most we can expect to happen this year. I consider the price at current levels already to be a fantastic Christmas gift, so for me personally it doesn't matter whether or not we'll reach $800 this year.
7298  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What is your trading strategy? on: December 19, 2016, 08:49:10 AM
The very basic strategy in trading for what I'm doing now in the present was I bought bitcoin at low price and never buy at high price like what the price we got it now, all you need to do for awhile is just wait until it reaches the 1200$ then sell it, that's it!

That what you are describing has more to do with a buy low and sell high method, and not so much with actually trading. From my point of view, traders repeat the cycle of buying and selling several times a day, or at the ultimate, several times per week. That's what I consider to be trading. No matter what levels the price is sitting at, trading is always possible. You just have to make sure you have a decent amount of coins that you'll be using as your initital balance, plus a decent amount of fiat. If that's in place, then you're ready to make money (assuming you have enough experience).
7299  Other / Archival / Re: Do you agree with idea "Bitcoin bank" ? on: December 19, 2016, 08:27:37 AM
actually we don't need to have a bank for bitcoin because we already have a banks to ourselves which is our personal wallets we don't need anything to manage and secure our finances in bitcoin and it is much better to do it on our own because we don't need to consider a service fee of that bitcoin bank .

You're absolutely right, but the main intention of people liking the idea of a so called Bitcoin bank is more the financial gain aspect in form of interest over the coins that they store there. Bitcoin offers people the ability to be their own bank and avoid dealing with third party services, but people are easily putting that fantastic benefit away just in return for a shitty interest rate. It's insane to have another entity to control your coins for a full year in return for just a 2-3% interest rate. Even if it was 10%, I still wouldn't store my coins there.
I am always preaching about the benefits of being your own bank and as far as i can tell people do not want to deal with it. It seems like they do not want to be bothered with their own money and this is not because they have so much of it. Maybe they would think different if they had almost non and would go hungry, but it sometimes looks like they still would prefer to pay someone a fee and accept it as necessary.

It's very weird, so many people here and in real life are complaining about how banks are working against their customers, that they don't trust banks with their money anymore as they are gambling with it on the financial markets, but still they don't appreciate Bitcoin for the features that it offers them. These people will continue being a slave of a system that will never change. Or these people simply don't trust themselves with the money that they have, that's also a possibility. Bitcoin offering people freedom doesn't mean they must convert their entire wealth to Bitcoin. They probably don't realize that you can also just have like 10-20% of your wealth into Bitcoin. Or they don't trust Bitcoin either as they don't know how it works.
7300  Economy / Economics / Re: When the dollar collapsed, gold and bitcoin which is the best alternative? on: December 19, 2016, 08:04:12 AM
I look to buy no more than 50GR of Gold since it's quite expensive already when you also calculate in that 10% premium.

Yes, even though Gold is a divisible currency tool, it's not on the same level as Bitcoin when it comes to buying small amounts. If I want to buy like 0.05BTC, then at current rates of $792 it would cost me $39.60 + 0.20% fee will bring it to $39,68, but that's something I consider to be peanuts. If I want to buy 1 gram of Gold, I end up paying nearly 50% over the actual Gold price. With Gold you're subject to paying insanely high premiums if you just stick to small amounts (which is perfectly understandable due to the kilo price of Gold). If you really want it, then go for it, but I personally don't really see the need of it. Better wait for the price of Bitcoin to come down a little more, and invest your money there.
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