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741  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: December 12, 2023, 06:54:25 AM
It is not possible to become addicted to gambling but gain from gambling. When a gambler is too addicted to gambling, he makes more wrong decisions than right ones, causing him to lose money instead of making money. A gambler who is addicted to gambling may not earn money by gambling, but when he is out of gambling addiction, he can gain from gambling by making the right decision. I was addicted to gambling at one time and I realized that it took me a long time to get out of gambling addiction and I was able to get out. During the time when I was addicted to gambling, I used to make more wrong decisions in gambling but when I came out of this addiction, many wins came in my favor through the right decisions. I said from my opinion that as long as a gambler is addicted to gambling he cannot make a profit.

You're probably right.

I think the extremely small minority of people who end up winning more than losing in a casino have to be extremely lucky but also extremely diligent with their gambling.

If you continue gambling when you won big, you will probably end up losing it all anyway.

So, any addicted gambler will probably end up losing everything.
742  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 12, 2023, 06:52:18 AM
i think gamblng not about rich.
poor or rich same can win, but if rich can use marti can recovery lost in gamblng
maybe only win in you see or share if lost not share,  about  referal link promotion , can get referal comission

Yeah, there are other ways in which people actually get paid when dealing with casinos.

Normally gamblers would lose money, but if you are marketing a casinos, or streaming for a casino, etc, you might get commissions and other types of income, so you might actually end up earning money.

But that's a bit more like a normal job, not really gambling.
743  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: December 12, 2023, 06:50:38 AM
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You're right; addiction to both drugs and gambling shows up in surprisingly similar ways. We see people, maybe coworkers or friends, getting stuck in bad habits that get into their work places and cause problems. Imagine a loyal worker who used to be on time and productive but is now sneakily drinking vodka from a fake bottle at their desk. In this case, addiction makes it hard to tell the difference between personal struggle and work behavior.

Doesnt it seem odd that different people see these habits in different ways? Alcoholism might make people feel sorry for the user, but gambling addiction might make people look down on them. Still, both come from the same internal flaws. Control and awareness are important for good gambling. But when it turns into an addiction, its like giving up control of your life.

We then ask, "What makes them go this way?" Feeling stressed? Get away? The fun? To help and intervene effectively, it is important to understand these underlying reasons. We should do more than just watch; we should offer our support, right?

Well, I think the reason why most gamblers continue in their addiction is because they feel good doing it.

There's a dopamine rush that comes with the chance of becoming rich.

It's quite similar to any other addiction really. The brain behaves in a similar way, waiting for the dopamine to reach it.
744  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: December 12, 2023, 02:34:23 AM
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Yeah, you nailed the idea. It's similar with lottery. You often hear the lottery winners, because they are a story, special enough to be told. Everyone wants hope and as everyone has same opportunity, it feels possible and fair to win jackpot, even if it's unlikely. But in comparison, if you put a story of every single player that lost in lottery in a story. That story wouldn't be possible to read by anyone as it would be so long.

I wouldn't however tell anyone to stop playing just because winning is rare. That's why the jackpots are big in the first place. If winning would be easy, casinos would not have any money to give.

It's a personal preference.

In the end different people prefer different things. If you only look at it as a rational choice where only money matters, then it's not a good idea to gamble, because the expected return of any bet is negative. That is, you're expected to lose money over time by gambling.

However, there are other factors, such as entertainment, hope, etc. Those are hard to value, and change from person to person. Even from time to time for each person.
745  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: December 12, 2023, 02:31:18 AM
Why a waste of time? I mean, one could argue that anything that is not working, making cash and learning is a waste of time, but I remember that some rock star said "I have spent half of my money on women, drink and drugs, the rest I wasted". Jokes apart, the game is to have fun and should not serve any other particular purpose so that is not a waste if it works for you.

Yes, I agree with you.

It's a completely personal thing. For some people it is simply fun and they have no issues paying for it.

But, there are some people that stay playing their whole day, and they put every cent they have in there, and they don't even enjoy it.

There's a clear difference.
746  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 10, 2023, 11:56:49 PM
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rich people dont need money but rich people gamble just to get a thrill using the money they can afford to lose just like lower class gamblers and as @KennyR said if rich gamblers just have fun and choose to bet on dice or slot games while the second this game provides the opportunity to get the jackpot so it is natural that sometimes rich people will get big wins more often while they can bet whenever they want so luck will get closer.
but rest assured, if the big winnings are calculated in detail, it will definitely not match the losses, but rich people dont think about this because rich people have a lot of money that they won't feel like they're losing.

this assumption about big wins makes lower class gamblers have the mindset that gambling can give them luck to become rich while they forget how gambling works.

Yeah, I think you're right.

Some rich people might just gamble sometimes just for fun. Sure, but they will probably stop after they lost their bet.

I just don't see how rich people would keep trying to gamble as there's nothing much for them there.

If anything, there's a lot of time and brain power wasted while gambling, that rich people could be using in other more important tasks in their lives.
747  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: December 10, 2023, 11:53:45 PM
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That is a risk employees are taking when gambling at the work. About the black market of illegal alcohol I can even understand why people were involved on that, as it was their job, and probably a high paying one, since it was dealing with illegal stuff. However, it doesn't make sense to take risks of gambling at the work, because gambling isn't their job or a source of guaranteed income. It's quite the opposite, they are prejudicing their job and their source of income by doing that, so it's not a logical decision, but an impulsive one. Imagine risking all your reputation and professional career due to not stipulating a determined time of the day for gambling. That is really concerning and must involve an intrapsychic disorder the employee is facing.

Yeah, when people end up being addicted to something, they might start doing things you wouldn't expect.

For example, an alcoholic might start drinking at their job.

A gambling addict might start gambling at their job.

They are different things, but the behavior is basically the same. They are doing things at times that they shouldn't be doing them.

And most likely, both of those scenarios will end up badly.
748  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: December 10, 2023, 11:50:59 PM
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exactly, In several places in my city there are psychology doctors or similar who can help addicts to recover from their addiction, but this free place is not available every day or only accepts customers on certain days, such as every monday.
with the free opportunity to consult about healing addiction, it can be used by addicts who really want to recover from their addiction without spending a lot of money, but still psychology doctors only help provide therapy or solutions and the rest is themselves and support from the family who can help out from the black zone of addiction.

you make a very good point at the end of your words. If we live in the real world, even though technology is currently sophisticated, the most effective thing is still to consult in real life and I am worried that if we look for solutions online, addicts will return to gambling through online gambling.

Yes, I think many people are becoming more and more isolated these days because of the Internet.

They think they have everything covered but they don't feel great, and they end up in addictions like gambling.

It's always a good idea to go out for a walk, maybe a park, or anywhere really close to nature, spend some time there, it's free anyway.

You can always have a bit of a chat with the people around you, even if they are strangers, just saying good morning and a smile will make you feel better (and them as well!)
749  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: December 10, 2023, 11:47:33 PM
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are you sure about that? have you ever been to a land-based casino? and can you be sure that it's all paid for? not like what @nullama said, because he said there will be free food and drinks at land-based casinos.

I also think like this anyway, there is no way they give free food and drinks just like that, even if it is true there will definitely be requirements to get free food and drinks, because it is likely that they will also make this as more profit from people who come to land-based casinos.

I've been in a few casinos around the world in which they absolutely give you free snacks and drinks.

Of course it is not a buffet, but if you stay there playing for some time, you will be able to get some free food and drinks.

Again, it's a courtesy, so it's just a bit, not something that you could simply go and grab anything you want.

The people at the casino basically have to see that you have been playing and then they offer you something.
750  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: December 10, 2023, 11:45:01 PM
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I don't think there is a problem between Scaloni and Messi because even when Argentina the Qatar World Cup, Scaloni started talking about Messi and he said how helpful is this player also he also said he wanted to use Messi for the 2026 World Cup but the behavior of Messi was not good and I think this time this Argentinian player made a mistake when he decided about the team himself.

Yeah, I think at this point it is all just rumors.

We will simply have to wait and see what the official squad will be present for the world cup.

Who knows, maybe they even change their coach before that.
751  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: December 10, 2023, 12:49:58 AM
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Therapy requires money. Online resources and support groups are often free or cheaper. These can save lives. Doesn't it amaze you how reaching rock bottom becomes a turning point? These stark realizations frequently strengthen the human soul. Isn't acknowledging an issue a powerful first step? Gambling is addictive. When it gets out of hand, the game plays you. The shift from gambling with money to betting on oneself to change must happen here. A gamble turns productive here. It's about improving life's odds, not in a casino. Does this perspective change not provide hope? As they say, every gamble teaches. Can gambling losses lead to a more balanced life?

There are usually free places in the real world, maybe around community centers, libraries, etc. There is always help, and if anyone feels alone, they can ask help in those places.

We are social creatures, so it is always good to have a bit of a chat with people in real life, not only digital.
752  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: December 10, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Everybody lose on slots unfortunately no matter who they are,the slots are so addictive that rarely the slot lovers can quit them and as soon as you can't quit them you will lose money in the short and long term.Even if you hit that max win you will spend it in a such a fast way that you will keep losing no matter what you are able to do with your money.

That is why it is recommended that people stop playing slots otherwise they will lose money in the longer term and there is no coming back from playing slots,do not be deceived by those guys showing you the streams where they win as they are playing with sponsored money so quit as long as you are able to as once you jump in the wagon of slot addiction there is no turning back.

There is a small, tiny fraction of people who actually get the big win from time to time.

That's what makes it attractive to many people, the chance, the hope of winning it.
753  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: December 10, 2023, 12:36:55 AM
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Hoping to get a big win from the free spins given in the slot game, I think it's very rare to get a big win, and sometimes it will be very difficult for us to get free spins, we need a lot of capital to be able to get the free spins and that doesn't necessarily mean the payout. You get a big win and the jackpot is the same, but you will really feel the victory if you get the jackpot compared to the prize you get from the free win.

Yeah, I think the "free" spins are basically priced in on the actual odds that casinos give you.

So, instead of paying you more, they offer these free spins, so that you are more encouraged to keep playing.
754  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 10, 2023, 12:35:20 AM
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Although poors and riches play in different ways, it doesn't give any advantages to the riches on long run. It's like saying someone who place huge bets with 1.01x multiplier on win and 94% winning chance is in a better position than people betting with a low bankroll, 2x multiplier and 48%-49% winning chance. One huge bet lost by the rich gambler already put him in a much worse situation than the poor gambler who is gambling with pennies. Riches lose much more money than poor gamblers, because they have more money to afford to lose on long run.

I think what we can say is that money lost by poor gamblers will be missed later for basic needs, while for rich gamblers it won't make any considerable difference at all. It's probably just change money...

At the end of the day the odds are usually the same, independent of how much you gamble.

And I think most rich people are not that interested in gambling anyway, because they are rich already.

That's one of the biggest things in gambling, the selling of the idea of becoming rich.
755  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: December 10, 2023, 12:33:43 AM
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Yes, considering gambling as a source of income is not a good thing, because every time we gamble, we have to spend capital to be able to gamble. In gambling, we don't necessarily mean we can win, let alone consistently win the gambling we play, but what they will get. only losses in gambling, when you experience a gambling addiction, of course this will be very detrimental for everyone who gambles.

Also, on top of the financial capital invested, there is the time and mental space that is taken away from making other things.

So, it can be a very expensive thing when considering every factor, like the mind and time used.
756  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: December 09, 2023, 02:20:47 AM
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No one can ever win anything big from free spins or bonus spins because of the sites algorithm setting a small amount of rewards so that it is always possible to win something small from free spins.  And this gives gamblers a chance to enjoy that spin and keep depositing again and playing for a long time. This is basically their marketing policy so nothing to get too excited about it. And always keeping yourself in check, gambling should not be taken seriously

So the free spins are actually different compared to normal paid spins?

Then it's a bit misleading to name them free spins, maybe they should be called bonus games or something like that.

Because if you say "free X", I would expect to get the actual X without having to pay for it, not a lite version of X for free.
757  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: December 09, 2023, 02:17:48 AM
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do you think some people can get to gambling too because they have too much disposable income and don't think they deserve all the money they got?
could be a thing too imo.

having a support network definitely helps a lot.

I really think that most actual rich people never or very rarely gamble. It's usually the poorest people the ones that are gambling.

If you think about it, the rich already have money, so there's no incentive to gamble.

For the working class though, that's a different story, they are buying a hope to become rich. That's gambling.
758  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: December 09, 2023, 02:16:21 AM
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In my opinion, it shouldn’t be considered a source of income at all cause it literally isn’t. Anything considered a source where you earn money should at the very least, be reliable. Money won from gambling isn’t reliable as it doesn’t come often. It doesn’t come when you want or need it so I don’t see gambling as a source where one could earn money.
If one is looking to earn some extra money, that person should get a side job where the paycheck would actually be steady and reliable. It’s better to look to gambling as an activity rather than a job. The win is more enjoyable then.

I think that reliable payment does not really constitute an income, because you could have a job where the employer is bad and never pays on time.

Or you could have a client that always pays you late to your business, etc.

But those two are still income.

Whereas gambling is an unknown amount of money to be paid, or that you have to pay. It's a completely different thing.

You are buying the hope to become a rich person. That's not income. The income is received by the people running the casino.
759  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The worst slot provider ever? on: December 09, 2023, 02:14:13 AM
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I highly agree, it is best to compare their implemented features or how this games are presented.  Because if we base the worst provider due to personal experience of losses, as stated, every provider will be the worst subjectively.

Slots game that have slow phase sucks.  Because it only waste time due to its sluggish animation, and presentation.  I like fast phase slots game because it saves us a lot of time whether we win a jackpot or emptied our bankroll, it can happen in a flash with fast phase slots game.  This way, we only lose money if we are unlucky an not much of time consumption.

Yeah, it absolutely depends on what we are talking about to define best/worst.

Maybe the user experience is great, but there are not enough games, or maybe the games are fun but it's a pain to withdraw your money, etc.

There are many factors that would influence this. On top of personal wins/losses of course.
760  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: December 09, 2023, 02:12:51 AM
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That is also true and it is not easy to get out. I had a period, 12 years ago, where I would stay up 5-6 hours at night to gamble on random matches and sports that I knew nothing of. Started to gamble with bigger and bigger amounts (couple of 100$) and had 1 night that I went all-in as everything was going wrong. Won my bet, cashed out and I will never play with bigger amounts again. I still like the experience of gambling (it can make sports more entertaining to watch) but I am always careful and limit my balance on every site.

Yeah, it's a slippery slope. It can go quickly from being a small thing you enjoy to suddenly changing your whole life where you lost all your life savings in a day.

It can be very difficulty for some people, so it's good to be aware of how you react to these things and keep it under control.
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