They probably don't believe in mining on the longer run.
They don't, and both Nvidia AND AMD have made comments about being worried that the current "mining demand" will lead to a major glut of used cards somewhere soon down the road, killing their sales and profitability when it happens for months if not years. With that said, they probably CAN'T ramp their production up enough to meet the full demand right now, due to limits of the foundries on 14/16nm production and them ALREADY being swamped with folks wanting chips on the current node. |
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What do you think about that nVidia wants to limit gpu sales to miners? Why are they moving on?
Because the gamers are getting pissed off at miners hoarding all the graphic card for themselves. Nvidia created these GPU's for gaming, not to mine shitcoins, so they are getting tired of it and will now demand that you are not a miner. I find it kinda sad that they want to control this tho, anyone should be able to buy their product for any reason, but it seems it's having an impact on their business model. "For Nvidia gamers come first," Nvidia spokesman Boris Böhles told German hardware website ComputerBase last week. "All of our activities around our GeForce-products are directed towards our main target group. To ensure GeForce-Gamers continuously have access to GeForce-graphic cards even in the current situation, we recommend our trading partners to take according measures to ensure they can provide the needs of gamers per usual." I think they should start a 100% mining dedicated solution and they would make a lot of sales and leave common GPU's for gaming. They already have started a 100% mining dedicated solution. There is the cheaper version the Nvidia GP106 which is based on Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB version and the more expensive version the Nvidia GP104 which is some sort of near GTX 1080 and is excellent for mining. This latest card have come out only lately. That seems to be the NVidia 3'd party makers, NOT Nvidia itself, pushing those. The P104 is a GTX 1070 GPU set up with GDDR5x instead of the normal GDDR5, and some BIOS changes to make it work better with the different RAM. |
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As I recall, Quark is one of the algorithms supported by the original Baikal ASIC miners.
Probably a waste of time trying to set up a GPU miner for it, you might want to check first to see if I'm remembering correctly.
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I gave up on HIS cards years ago because the fans were total junk (except the IceQ blower models).
You don't inject the oil, you either have to take the fan apart or you have to remove a "cover seal" on the back depending on the specific fan.
Either way the seal is ALREADY leaking, taking it apart just makes it worse, so adding oil is at best a short-term solution.
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(1) they're not shipping yet
(2) there is no official price on them yet.
(3) NOBODY is "snatching up these 821s" because they're NOT AVAILABLE YET.
Their *SPECULATED* price is triple the 741 based on the price spike Bitcoin had a couple weeks back and the resulting Bitmain S9 pricing on THEIR last batch.
If Bitcoin stays around it's current price, the 821 likely will end up selling close to $2000.
They can get away with higher pricing than the S9 even when the performance is lower due to the far lower FAILURE rate they have compared to the S9.
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Anyone else notice that "Seller Newegg" listings for the 1070 ti (AND 1080) are almost all gone entirely as of tonight (they had a BUNCH this afternoon).
Not "notify only" but NOT there at all (exactly ONE left).
Makes me furiously to wonder what's behind THAT....
Also found this in an article dated October 29....
"Nvidia’s manufacturing partner TSMC has confirmed that volume production of the upcoming Volta GPUs will begin towards the end of year, giving us major clues as to the release date."
Which would explain a lot of the current Pascal shortage, if TSMC shifted most of or all Pascal production to Volta about a month ago.
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Not THIS time around.
Nvidia was pretty much out RIGHT after Christmas other than "huge markup gougers" on anything higher than the 3GB 1060, AMD still had quite a bit of stock left at "pre-Christmas norm" pricing for over a week past that point before THEY got into the same position on RX 570/580 cards (Vega has been OUT for a lot longer, likely due to continuing issues limiting production on HBM 2 memory).
I don't understand it myself, unless NVidia had a HECK of a Christmas season while AMD's was only so-so, or Nvidia is already shifting production in the initial ramp-up to the Volta consumer cards that I anticipate being announced in late March (yes, there can and USUALLY IS that much lead time on getting chips out of a foundry, getting them distributed to manufacturers, and getting the cards themselves built and some "launch stock" built up).
OK... to be a bit more fair to the demand analysts at both companies... I agree that it's maybe not reasonable for them to predict the DEGREE of this mid-Nov to early Jan... but most certainly some kind of Q1-Q2'17 pump should have at the very least been included in their scenario analysis. I would give them almost a complete pass on that early '17 situation since there was no precedent for it. But that event itself should have been considered as a potential precursor for another such rise in prices, and hence, demand for GPUs. As someone who has done this type of work, I would be expected to at the very least to make management aware of these scenarios. Maybe they did and they were just quashed by moron directors that know nothing about crypto, we will never know for sure... but most certainly, somebody dropped the ball big time at both companies. Again, not saying they should have predicted the Degree of spike but they clearly ignored the possibility outright. As to the timeline of stock disappearing... this is what I observed: - I was able to get 3 Vega 56's from NewEgg in mid-Nov for $450 each. Maybe 7-10 after that I realized prices going up, then they were pretty much gone by first week of Dec - This is what started me looking into Nvidia cards. I was out of the country for about 11 days and back just after xmas and in the next few days, was able to get 4 1070ti's for about $500/each. - By the time i decided i wanted more just a few days later, they were either gone or way above retail. - That started me looking into rx 570s. Was able to get an MSI 570 8GB from newegg for $300 on Jan 3rd and 4GB variety for $270 on Jan 8th. Since then, nothing readily available at all for a reasonable price. So, it seemed that top-end AMD dried up first, then top-end NVidia (1070 and up - actaully 1070 & 70ti's seemed to go first closely followed by 1080s. I remember there still being 1080tis available for $800 when I was looking for more 70ti's), then AMD mid-range (570-580) was next to go. Granted, it seems very likely that a big cause of the Vega shortage is the shortness of HBM2. Once those intitial blower style Vegas were gone, it's just been way too long for any amount of custom ones to hit the market, and only a very very few have. I have no idea why you think they were supposed to predict this price surge, much less how much it would be and how "across the board" it would be. The last AND ONLY such widespread price surge was back this spring, not Q4 - and that was ITSELF "no precedent for it" as you say. Even the Chinese "markets re-opened to Yuan purchases" event didn't produce such a sudden widespread HUGE jump - it bumped Bitcoin up a lot fast and helped feed a long surge, but nothing else went up much at that time. The other factor to keep in mind - they might not be ABLE to bump production much if at all, given how swamped every 14/16nm production line has been during their entire existence (except Samsung, but the Nvidia move to produce SOME of their cards on Samsung seems to have eaten THAT spare production) there doesn't seem to BE much if any spare production left at that node. It's been a long-known fact that lead times on 14/16nm are measured in months, and have been for a long time now - AMD and Nvidia would have had to predict this surge LAST SUMMER at the latest, and in that timeframe coin pricing had flattened out to started drifting DOWN. Vega disappeared for 2 reasons - the widespread "this is a KILLER Monero mining card" reviews and articles that started showing up in early-to-mid November, and the extreme existing shortage of production on them probably due to continuing issues with HBM2 production. That PREdated the big December price jump and is not related (though the price jump certainly didn't HELP any). I have yet to see stock anywhere of Vega custom cards, though I've seen a couple of listings. Possible someone had a few and I missed it though. 1070 1070ti and 1080 dried up pretty close together, yes - and 1080 ti a day or two after that. AMD Polaris was almost a week later from what I saw. I'm not sure on the 1060 6GB cards, there WERE still a few 1060 3GB available for a couple days after the last of the AMD 470/570/480/480 cards at non-gouge pricing went poof. Unfortunately, Newegg has decided to start doing MILD gouging on what stock they're getting now - not DOUBLE, but 20-40% over normal markup level so far. |
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Avalon 841 release:
The 841 should start shipping in the March April time frame. Performance should range around 13TH and 12 Watts.
Nice typo (on Avalon's part). 8-O |
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Yeah, this is really a crazy situation. Again, both AMD & Nvidia's demand forecasters severely screwed up
Not a fair or accurate statement. There was NO WAY they could have predicted a SECOND massive price jump on almost all cryptocoins in the same year would lead to a SECOND huge wave of demand. The situation is not helped by CAPACITY LIMITATIONS at every 14/16 nm production line, to the point ALL of them have been running flat-out since they got up and running at ALL. Nvidia in particular had no reason to expect as massive a demand spike as they got - traditionally AMD gets the bulk of mining sales, but THIS TIME AROUND it was Nvidia that got hammered FIRST. I see your points, but I think these companies are mostly clueless regarding crypto. Corporations are slow to adapt, and I think they haven't acquired the expertise to navigate this market. I don't see how Nvidia got hammered first btw, AMD was completely out of stock before Nvidia. Not THIS time around. Nvidia was pretty much out RIGHT after Christmas other than "huge markup gougers" on anything higher than the 3GB 1060, AMD still had quite a bit of stock left at "pre-Christmas norm" pricing for over a week past that point before THEY got into the same position on RX 570/580 cards (Vega has been OUT for a lot longer, likely due to continuing issues limiting production on HBM 2 memory). I don't understand it myself, unless NVidia had a HECK of a Christmas season while AMD's was only so-so, or Nvidia is already shifting production in the initial ramp-up to the Volta consumer cards that I anticipate being announced in late March (yes, there can and USUALLY IS that much lead time on getting chips out of a foundry, getting them distributed to manufacturers, and getting the cards themselves built and some "launch stock" built up). |
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Yeah, this is really a crazy situation. Again, both AMD & Nvidia's demand forecasters severely screwed up
Not a fair or accurate statement. There was NO WAY they could have predicted a SECOND massive price jump on almost all cryptocoins in the same year would lead to a SECOND huge wave of demand. The situation is not helped by CAPACITY LIMITATIONS at every 14/16 nm production line, to the point ALL of them have been running flat-out since they got up and running at ALL. Nvidia in particular had no reason to expect as massive a demand spike as they got - traditionally AMD gets the bulk of mining sales, but THIS TIME AROUND it was Nvidia that got hammered FIRST. |
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Well Microcenter has determined they are the holy gatekeepers now and jacked all their prices by nearly 2x and are limiting cards to 1 model type per household to "protect the gamers" - Sheesh.
How the hell can we get new GPUs at this point?
Very slowly, sneaking in orders as you can when you catch a card restocked. If it wasn't for Bitpay and their ISSUES I'd have managed to pick up 4 so far this month, instead of 2 and 2 "messed up payments didn't go through because THEIR system is broken". |
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No local ads at all, only one in the "area" - guy selling a pair of 1070s that he says got upgraded to 1080 ti cards in "family systems".
Been pretty empty all along though, but this area tends to eat all the cards it can find for some odd reason...
9-)
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Thanks to everyone here who helped me get my 1070ti rig up and running. Let's just say that I have been very pleasantly surprised by the extreme ease of setup and use of these Nvidia GPUs! Makes me kick myself for waiting so long to branch out from AMD.
I've had this rig running on ETH+DCR for a few days without 1 single crash or issue. I know that ETH is not the best use for these but wanted to try it out with a miner/coin i was very familiar with out of the gate.
Now that I know it's super stable, I was about to start mining ZClassic via MPH. But, I just realized that Claymore's Equihash miner is AMD-only, so I would like to ask for some recommendations for good Nvidia miners.
The 3 I have seen mentioned are EWBF, Silent Army, and Nicehash (I am not using NH is that makes a difference)... so was wondering what your experiences have been with these 3 and any others. Thanks!
EWBF, DSTM, and BMiner are the current Windows-based contenders. Silent Army (zawata) is quite a bit behind the curve on equihash. Nicehash uses EWBF as an external miner (and I think they added DSTM support in a recent version) and stopped developing their own equihash miner months ago. |
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citronick, I've only used EWBF with Windows 10. You suggest DSTM is better for Win? Right now I'm at nicehash with my nvidia rig so I cannot test, but I will give it a try soon  DSTM is noticeably faster than EWBF and is actively being updated. DSTM is widely reported to be faster, but it's not ALWAYS so. Test for yourself, which is faster seems to be dependent on a lot of factors, including model of card, GPU, and even SETTINGS for the card. It also has a fixed non-changeable 2% fee where EWBF fee can be configured lower - which often makes up for any speed improvement on the DSTM side where it has any. Not saying don't try it - just don't take "it's faster" as a given, TRY IT YOURSELF on your own cards and configuration. |
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"GMO’s 7nm ASIC Chips
The design logic of the 7nm chip has already been completed
Which is a long EXPEN$IVE way away from having working engineering samples to prove working silicon, much less PRODUCTION silicon. Do I expect someone (probably more than one someone) to come out with an S9 beater on the 7/10 nm node? YES. Do I expect it in 2018? Not only "NO" but "PRETTY MUCH DEFINITELY HELL NO". Do I expect it in 2019 sometime? Probably. Samsung appears to be in production (in small "trial proof of technology" mode) on their 10nm node, so I expect their next smartphone design will probably use a 10nm chip. Intel has already announced production of 10nm CPUs for later this year - they HAVE been working on that longer than pretty much anyone else, so it's not a shock if they get to market first. GF and TSMC "7nm" looks to be hitting small scale engineering proof production levels late this year, and probably won't hit full production levels for months to a year after that. Also expect YIELDS to be very poor for the first year at least, based on experience with the LAST TWO production nodes. Then we get to start thinking about the issue with the "next node" and both Intel and IBM stating the CURRENT node is "end of the road for pure silicon".... |
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TSMC 7NM is defintely an improvement over current 14/16 nm processes.
While ASIC chips might be "simpler" in basic design than smartphone chips, the are a LOT higher power density and push the limits of the process JUST as hard if not harder.
They also aren't noticeably lower DENSITY if at all - which actually pushes the power density harder 'cause there is less "not in use right this second" circuitry using up chip space.
I can't read that article that was posted because of the bloody "pop-up that covers the entire page AND WON'T GIVE YOU A TURN IT OFF OPTION.
I hate web sites that DO that sort of garbage, even when you CAN turn the irritation garbage off.
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https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-NP104D5X-4G#sp That is NOT a 1080, which has 2560 cores - it's a 1070 with 1920 cores but GDDR5X memory instead of GDDR5 memory. The early RUMOURS were 1080 with GDDR5 but that turned out to not be the case. Still doesn't explain how it manages the announced high ETH hashrates claimed for it. The 4GB vs the 8GB on a regular 1070 isn't a factor, and probably won't be before ETH goes Proof of Stake.
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why do mining cards work in addition to nvidia cards? the mining cards use the same driver dont they? so what makes a mining card work vs a geforce card? Anyoe try quadros?
We don't know ask ASUS, yes, no clue ask ASUS, I don't have any to try. |
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2324651.msg28452733#msg28452733 Short form - got my ASUS blower model 1070 ti card in, not real impressed but it's good enough I'll consider buying more. Runs 5C or so COOLER than that MSI blower junk card, probably due to the cooler design as they appear to use IDENTICAL fans, but it's a hair low on hashrate at the same settings as any of my other 1070 ti cards (including the MSI).
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Why don't miners look for water cooled video cards? Shouldn't they be better?
A few do - but water-cooled or hybrid cards normally cost A LOT more than air-cooled. They WOULD be a good option in hot+humid climates where evap cooling isn't an option, like most of Florida or full-out tropical areas. |
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