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741  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin hacking, How long would it take? on: December 15, 2015, 01:04:00 PM
It will take along time no matter what it will be nearly impossible to get it.
but with quantum computer,nothing impossible on the internet,even the most security thing on the internet must have a hole or bug

Again you're right with quantum computer nothing is impossible.
But quantum computers are not invented yet, we're faaaaaaaaaaaaaar from being able to only store more than a few bytes of data so don't worry too much. In addition quantic computing has an exponential difficulty, it takes more and more time and effort to make each step, and scientists become more and more skeptical about it.
742  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin hacking, How long would it take? on: December 15, 2015, 12:58:35 PM
It will take 100 more years at least I think before anyone can hack btc.

I think we'll have sufficient quantum computing power in 10 years to crack it. 

I have to say I strongly disagree. i studied a bit quantic computers and more and more scientists are saying that we can't go further. Quantum computing power may be just a dream for humans, there is a physic impossibility that we can't break.
743  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $450 - $500 means many of us are now even or ahead on: December 15, 2015, 12:45:33 PM
I bought 150 Bitcoins @ 450 about a year ago.

What a long time to wait huh.

Duuuuuuuuude... 150 btc is a lot of money, you were really trustful about this ^^
Anyway your time has come! I suggest you sell everything if we ever reach the 600, it will be a huge benefit but if you greed for more you might be really disappointed :3
744  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $450 - $500 means many of us are now even or ahead on: December 15, 2015, 12:35:37 PM
Funny reading these thread's where everybody seems to be 'up'. Where are all the murdered sheep?

I think all those people have just quit Bitcoin altogether which will mean good news for us, if you remember when Bitcoin crashed because of MT.GOX there were swarms of angry posters calling Bitcoin a scam etc. but now it's just us lot left really who were intelligent enough to buy at the lows.

I'm sure though there will be some idiots who if we get Bitcoin past $500 will immediately panic buy into it and then start bitching about Bitcoin when they lose money though, it's pretty much guaranteed.

Moreover you're not going to come in and say "hello, I'm the one who paid for your benefits"  Grin

Even if those people are here I don't think they'll show up.
745  Economy / Services / Re: Earn 0.0002 BTC for following on Twitter! Lucky-Luke wins 0.1 BTC at 24.12.2015 on: December 15, 2015, 11:39:04 AM
Just FYI guys, the OP has "claimed" the Bonus for himself with his alt in his last thread, so don't have any high hopes that you will win the 0.1.

Really? Well good to know xD
Anyway even without the bonus, he still pays 10 cents a day just to follow him on twitter. It's not too much effort in my opinion =)
746  Economy / Economics / Re: Why You Should Never Sell Your Bitcoins Ever on: December 15, 2015, 11:36:07 AM


I don't agree. Why do you think the price will drop after christmas?

If the price of Bitcoin were over $500 now, then, yes, it would drop a bit, but around $500 is a fair price for Bitcoin for the year which is coming. I have explained many times why I think so (and other people did that too), so now I would say that that just my opinion.

I'd very interested in your explanation. It seems really arbitrary to me, would you be kind enough to give me a link to your 'or another one) explanation as I understand you're a bit tired to repeat yourself ^^
747  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Basic trading tips on: December 15, 2015, 11:32:45 AM
Begin easy, go only to the BTC/$ duo at first, it's hard to trade altcoins without experience.

Get your hand in btc/$. You want to know how much you should buy? Just ask yourself how much you're willing to risk and how much you can hold.

The important in btc trading is to hold to your position. If you bought thinking prize will rise, then hold your btc. If you have $ and want to buy, wait for a huge decrease.

Price is volatile, you'll have an occasion at a moment don't worry Wink
748  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Sell $4 BTC To PayPal on: December 15, 2015, 11:27:08 AM
I don't understand what you're proposing sir, to buy 4$ btc?
749  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $450 - $500 means many of us are now even or ahead on: December 15, 2015, 11:21:03 AM
I have learned about Bitcoin when we broke $1,100! Smiley It was waaaay to expensive for me so I didn't buy in! I got myself only a small amount in order to get started in the crypto world. Instead I started trading effectively and earning bitcoins in different ways. I must admit that I did very good!

I have a nice stash at the moment and I must admit that my average buy in price is about 47 euros per bitcoin!

47? Like Hitman? Really?
Not 470? Cause 47 is not only cheap, it's incredibly cheap!!! That would mean you got 10 times the amount you paid, you no longer call that profit, it's called raining coins  Grin
750  Economy / Services / Re: Earn 0.0002 BTC for following on Twitter! Lucky-Luke wins 0.1 BTC at 24.12.2015 on: December 15, 2015, 11:09:51 AM
Payment received, thank you sir.  Cheesy
751  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $450 - $500 means many of us are now even or ahead on: December 15, 2015, 10:52:45 AM
I bought 4 btc when it was at 325. I have to say I'm rather happy I did so  Grin

Sold half of it already but I keep the rest, can't know where this rise will stop.
752  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [VIDEO] Craig Wright, inventor of Bitcoin (Satoshi Nakamoto), speaks on Bitcoin. on: December 15, 2015, 10:41:25 AM
Satoshi probably doesn't exist. I can't believe Bitcoin was invented by one guy, Satoshi is probably a team, not just one person. I don't see it possible otherwise, unless he's a fucking genius.

But what I don't understand is that you're all talking about a "mathematical proof". What kind of proof are you expecting?
753  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So...bitcoin is now a national currency on: December 15, 2015, 10:23:20 AM
This is... Rather amazing in fact.

I just wonder how it can be dealt with foreign exchanges, isn't it a bit hard to plan anything for a company if they use a currency so volatile?

Anyway I find it really cool that a government decided to do it. I'd like to see that in France, and the government could even go mining, with all our useless nuclear electricity  Grin
754  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: December 15, 2015, 10:05:26 AM
Idealistic point of view if I may...

Problem being that not respecting the agreement and not doing any kind of effort to reduce pollution will give a strong concurential advantage. Imagine everyone respects the agreement and tries to reduce its country pollution. Then it needs only ONE government in ONE country to say "just fuck off, climate change is just a Chinese invention" (I'm not aiming anyone  Grin ) and the incredible advantages it will get will lead the whole world to get back to our current status.

Not polluting means less consuming means less growth means more problem in our capitalistic and liberal countries.
The only way we can save earth is first by finding an economic system that is sustainable, and not just based on an absurd theory of infinite growth in a finite universe.

You mean, that these Astute World Leaders are bumbling idiots about basic economic theory that any woman in a supermarket knows?

And then you conclude that the only fix is World Fascist Eco Totalitarianism?

How about that.

"bumbling idiots"? I don't understand why you're saying that.
These "Astute World Leaders" are the same that are financing their election campaigns with shady funds, that are sending their own people to war without even asking for their consent first. The same that are allowing the wealth gap to become larger and larger. The same that allow banks to rule the market by letting them spend more than 10 times the money they actually have, then give them money back when they go bankroute.

I don't think they're stupid, I think they don't have the same interest than us. And that it would be stupid to count on them.

[/quote]And then you conclude that the only fix is World Fascist Eco Totalitarianism?[/quote]

So that's your only choice? Our current system or a Fascist Totalitarism?  Tongue
Cause I never said so, I just said that our current economic system is so dumb than even a child can understand it doesn't work...
755  Economy / Economics / Re: Why You Should Never Sell Your Bitcoins Ever on: December 15, 2015, 09:55:43 AM

Buying BTC now is too expensive, I got them cheap. I was mining a bit 2 years ago and then when it became unprofitable I stopped. Forget about mining if you don't have free electricity and money to invest!

Well I've got both ^.^

But the fact is I'd like to build a btc income, I'm afraid that it's hard to get such income but lot's of people said the same thing than you...
Maybe I'll find another way, but hard to invent something through bitcoin without the proper technical knowledge!
756  Economy / Economics / Re: Why You Should Never Sell Your Bitcoins Ever on: December 15, 2015, 09:30:44 AM


What is there to understand man? Live and let live!  Wink
If you think you're good enough to take advantages from price movement do it, no one is gonna stop you. Maybe some have bitcoin for another reason which you don't see now. Personally, together with gold, it's a perfect store of value in difficult times. That's why I don't do trading.

Of course man, and investment in btc seems rather safe. I don't see btc just disappearing, it's just too awesome ^^

But the main goal of the thread is to convince us to never sell btc, as I disagree I argue for the sell of btc, that's all  Wink
And still I find hard to just store btc, are you paid in btc by any chance? Maybe you're mining. I'm currently wondering if I should go mining a bit, I like btc a lot and it would be a btc income!
757  Economy / Economics / Re: Why You Should Never Sell Your Bitcoins Ever on: December 15, 2015, 09:22:40 AM

I know the risk of it being worthless tomorrow due to a network failure or something alike, nonetheless I've invested all of my money into it. If you understand how it works, you realize that if this network had a critical bug, we've most likely already discovered it already. There are no shortage of people trying to break bitcoin. I'm holding just because I'm the worst trader you'll ever meet.

Then it's a perfectly reasonable argument =)
I just find it hard to hold totally your btc as I'm paid in fiat, so every $ I transform into btc is a bit of a waste of money (with fees and all).

758  Economy / Economics / Re: Why You Should Never Sell Your Bitcoins Ever on: December 15, 2015, 08:40:50 AM

Well if you look at the overall picture, then Bitcoin has only seen a steady increase in value over time, accompanied with a few bubbles, the largest one being the 2013 one, when prices went over $1000.
So in that regard, this is indeed the time, and I think it will last for a while.

That may be right. And I understand the fact that you hold your btc. What I don't understand is all those people with a clueless belief that btc will only rise and nothing can happen as it's just the true graal of economy whereas the fiat money is just shit.

And even if btc is on the rise, I think there is more money to do by buying/selling it at each bubble than just holding the btc ^^
759  Economy / Economics / Re: Why You Should Never Sell Your Bitcoins Ever on: December 15, 2015, 08:28:51 AM
you should be crazy to sell your BTC now
mainstream adoption time.

bitcoin prices are now rising, I would say crazy to you if you sell now, because in the year 2016 bitcoin prices would definitely go up, so just wait

Well if you say so. Hundreds of people say that every months, they will be right a day or another ^^
Maybe it will be this year.
760  Economy / Economics / Re: Why You Should Never Sell Your Bitcoins Ever on: December 15, 2015, 08:22:39 AM
There is NO FIAT MONEY that goes from simple to double without a fucking crazy event like a crazy enc of WWI  Roll Eyes

And it was not in one day Wink

There are plenty of currencies that have halved in value in a very short period of time. The Brazilian Real is currently halving in value every 7 months.

There was no crazy event to cause the Zimbabwe dollar to crash, just bad monetary policy. It took a few years.



Again, I perfectly agree. The difference being that it took, as you said, "a few years" or at least "a few months". Bitcoin changes in only a few days, so I find it hard to get convinced that "no this time is the good one, it gonna be stable".

I don't even know how many times I saw that btc is going up and is going to stay up ^^

Not saying you're wrong, just saying that as everyone is screaming "this is it this is the time" everytime btc gains 100$, I find it hard to believe that this time is the one.
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