I've asked you to demonstrate where we've been deceitful or untruthful.  You keep claiming it, but you have yet to demonstrate this.  Therefore your are a troll.  Making mistakes and overestimations are not lies or deceit.  What you are doing, constantly claiming lies and deceit without any proof, is a lie.  You are being untruthful and deceitful.

You are quite certain of that, are you?  This shows that what you know is, in a word, nothing:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79637.msg1157524#msg1157524
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79637.msg1157583#msg1157583

This is why I say you don't know what you're talking about.  You say you are quite certain of something that is patently false, can be demonstrated to be false, yet you still maintain it as true and that you're "certain of it."  Really, the very definition of a troll.

As to why, it doesn't matter if it was a lie or not on the part of Tom.  To remain competitive, we had to match his bogus claims.  I stated as much that they were bogus at the time, but what can you do?  Nothing but forge ahead.  At the time, for us, it wasn't that big of a match.  It really doesn't make much of a difference in the end to us, either way we'd still be doing the same thing we are now.


Because we thought we would have the ASICs out by the end of October.  That seems quite obvious...


You'd have to ask the people who made that decision at the time, not me.  As you said, I wasn't working for the company at that time.  However, lets say your premise is true.  That's not underhanded tactics, that is normal business operating procedure.  Just about every major tech company does it.  I'm not saying that's what happened, merely pointing out the fact that it's normal procedure.  Regardless, though, given the other evidence (FPGA being discontinued, etc...) it would seem to indicate that we thought we'd have the products out much sooner than we did.  That did not happen, obviously, but that does not make it deceitful or underhanded.  It makes it a mistake and an overestimation.


Then don't post lies and BS and you'll never have to communicate with me.  I don't want to associate with nor do I have any respect for people who are unable to separate fact from fiction, but I'm forced to because you try to spew your false information out to anyone who will listen.  If you stuck to facts and were honest and truthful, we'd have nothing to discuss.  Instead, you choose to delve into fantasy and false information to further your agenda.

I like how you won't be responding to me any further, after your ass has been handed to you several times in the past few posts.  It's always the last resort of the troll: "I'm too good/busy/awesome/etc to continue this conversation" which is a translation for "My position is so weak, I'm going to run away with my tail between my legs."

Please, by all means, demonstrate where I've been untruthful or deceitful.  No?  Why not?  Because it never happened.  You troll crew like to trot this out, but to date not a single one of you have been able to demonstrate any lies or deceit. 

I don't feel threatened by you in any way, I said you were being threatening, that's why I'm telling you to get on with it and quit yakkin' about it.  Just because a chihuahua arches it back, growls and yips in a threatening manner at a person doesn't mean the person is threatened by the chihuahua.  Sometimes it's even cute.

Readily apparent?  What kind of drugs are you on?  Things were sour from day 1... where's your transparency?    You were talking about transparency, I was responding to your post about transparency.  What are you talking about now?  There was zero transparency.  If there was any transparency, then no one would have sent him a dime, since he lied about having a prototype from day 1.  


No, you said:


1) That Tom was transparent.  A blatantly incorrect statement by any definition.
2) That somehow Tom was more successful than BFL at shipping FPGAs when the number of ModMiners in the wild compared to the number of BFL units are staggering.  Do you even have any idea how many FPGA units BFL shipped?  Thousands upon thousands.  When I say BFL funded ASIC development with FPGA profits, I am not exaggerating or lying.  The FPGA line was very, very lucrative and successful.  Tom did fine as a hobby supplier, but as an actual business it was exceptionally low volume.  
3) I know you like to believe there are underhanded tactics, but that is simply not the case, you are just buying into the kool-aid at that point.  BFL made mistakes, sure, but unlike what some would have you believe, we've never lied or intentionally mislead anyone.  Call us incompetent if you want, whatever.  The fact is, we have built an assembly and distribution channel that dwarfs all other ASIC and FPGA offerings combined, several times over.  We've made missteps along the way and we are working to correct those as quickly as possible.  I've apologized numerous times for it and that's all I can offer at this point and move forward.  If I could go back in time to change things, I absolutely would, but the BFL Time Turner won't be ready for another 4 - 6 weeks.

I appreciate the apology, but it's pretty hard to take seriously when, in the same post (and many others), you continue to talk up how you're going to bring about an epic lawsuit against BFL.  


You're absolutely right, you're not.  You're just being threatening (in the legal sense).  Much like physical threats, I do not respond well to either.  Like I said, if you're going to do it, skin that hogleg and go to work; quit talking about it.  You have made your intent to initiate legal proceedings very clear, so there's nothing more to say other than "see you in court."

Yes, I recall you mentioning that now.  So you basically lied above, then, huh?  Not surprising.

Anyway, I'm sure I've already done it, but let me thank you again from the bottom of my heart for canceling your order.  I really appreciate you not inflicting yourself and your friends upon my CS team for a whopping $683, it is sincerely appreciated.

Been there, tried that.  Doesn't work.  When you have inheriently irrational people like PL, Frizz, etc... who's sole purpose is to denigrate BFL, regardless of facts, truth and honesty, it doesn't matter what you say.  They will fabricate whatever information that need to make their statements.  Like I said, any time you try to get them to back up their ridiculous statements, they deflect or ignore.  Go ahead and try it... go pick out one of their ridiculous statements then get them to provide some proof or convincing evidence for their position... you'll get nothing in return. 


Yes Xian, we've all heard, ad naseum, about how you're going to mount the awesome legal offensive against BFL.  Nobody cares, haven't you figured that out yet?  Just get on with it, all this posturing you are doing is just making you look like more of a tool than anything else.  Like someone already said, if you really had legal council, you wouldn't be posting on the forum.  You're a joke, man, move on.

I would love if someone did... then there'd be a central place that I can point to and say "You're full of shit, this is what I said, not your mindless bullshit you keep peddling."  Instead, right now, people post all sorts of mindless bullshit they make up, I ask them to prove it with quotes/links and they fail and go on with their crap.  I mean, just look at any BFL thread and anything that comes out of PuertoLibre, Frizz, et al is 90% manufactured bullshit with nothing substantive to back up their ramblings, yet they keep peddling it as if it were truth.  If you try to get them to back up their claims, they become strangely silent.

Yes, please make it so!

Except, you now, the part about... umm, all of it, you mean?

The point of my post: 

1. Tom was unable to handle creating an ASIC.
2. BFL had the intention of making an ASIC, Tom apparently did not, although this is speculative, maybe he did, but he did a piss poor job of it.

Contrast to BFL who A) Is and was able to handle creating an ASIC and B) had the intention of making an ASIC.  So your post is complete nonsense.  Is does not describe BFL in any way, shape or form.  Try again.  You are at 100% fail so far in this thread, can you maybe make a single post where you don't fall flat on your face?

This is epic.  MooC Tals: BFL is a scam!  They should be given a scammer tag on Bitcointalk.  They suck!  They are liars!  Oh... by the way, I'm going to keep my order with them.  lol... what a hypocrite.

I just looked at all the correspondence with your email address and don't see anything like that.  Was it under another email address?

If you ordered a 60 GH/s unit, that's what you'll get +/- 10%.  I don't know where this 64 or 65 GH/s came from, we've never sold a product like that.  If you were told that, it was a mistake and I would like to see the email.  Actually, you can send me your email address and I can look it up in the system, what we sent out to you.

What, the transparency where he explicitly, willfully and with full knowledge lied about having a prototype that was hashing, when in fact he had absolutely nothing what so ever?  And maintained that he had a prototype and was in the process of developing this mythical ASIC with these absurd power numbers, when in fact he had done exactly NOTHING.  Not a single thing towards developing an ASIC?  You mean that kind of transparency?

Don't try to rewrite history. Tom was and is a drunk piece of shit.  He's one step away from a scummy used car salesman, nothing more.  He lied from day one about his ASIC bullshit and strung people along with no clear ability or path to delivering.  BFL has made mistakes, yes, but at least we've always had a clear path forward and we've always intended to deliver a product.  Tom... not so much.

Transparency... heh.  What a joke.  Stop trying to rewrite history to bolster your pathetic little argument.

Hmm.. that I'd like to see. But it's unlikely you'll get a 64 GH/s unit.  We've never offered anything above 60 GH/s, other than the Minirigs, which are 1500 or 500 depending on the date.

BFL never offered 64 GH/s units.  Just sayin'

It's normal variance.  You want to look at it over the long term.  If you look at the last 50 blocks, we are doing better than the average, at 54.7%. 

Came for the

Left disappointed.

They are more like feral cats.  They collect in a place, scratch it up, shit all over the place and then leave when it's a wreck, to find a new place to ruin for everyone else.

There's my little liar again, k9quaint.

What our dear friend k9 has neglected to mention in the above quote is that:

1) I was not working for BFL at the time.
2) I was referring to the FPGA equipment, which was in fact shipping.

But don't let context, facts and honesty deter your ranting K9.  Just keep piling up the BS.