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741  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 25, 2013, 02:01:14 PM
We have liftoff Cheesy

Ta muchly!
742  Economy / Speculation / Re: price action this week on: March 25, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
It certainly doesn't look like the $80s will be very memorable. Looks like we can cut through them like a hot knife through butter.
743  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC/USD: Ready for "The Running of the Bears"? on: March 25, 2013, 09:28:14 AM
1mBTC = $0.07

^ Quite right. Give it a few days then.
744  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC/USD: Ready for "The Running of the Bears"? on: March 25, 2013, 09:14:10 AM
All I'll say is, this isn't a stock we're talking about, nor is it a traditional market.   Bitcoin is its own beast and typical trading rules, market analysis and TA (which I often have issues with at the best of times) simply do not apply. 

You're not the first person to say this, and not the first person to be completely wrong about it. TA is about market psychology, and it works on anything that humans buy and sell; even tulips.  Wink

It bewilders me how people can think bitcoin has some property of "magical exemption"...  Cheesy

Sure, market sentiment between stocks and BTC speculation is analagous. However I think you have misread the fundamentals. This market is still at the nascent stage... it's just been bootstrapped. We're still at 1mBTC = $0.7, and users are flooding in. The ratio of speculation to overall transaction volume appears to be high but decreasing.

Most exciting are the new BTC-related business opportunities. Look at how a "Magic the Gathering" site has become the biggest and most trusted exchange. The ecosystem is just beginning to grow. The protocol has many new features that no-one is leveraging yet. As BTC rises and newcomers flood in, they will have a vested interest in adding to this ecosystem.

It's a positive feedback loop in the very early stages. The tulip analogy is utterly spurious (aside from the fact that tulips brought us modern stock exchanges, and Bitcoin will be equally revolutionary).
745  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it me, or is the market tanking right now? on: March 25, 2013, 05:57:48 AM
Tip #1: Zoom out the charts.

Tip #2: Pour a drink and get on with life.
746  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC/USD: Ready for "The Running of the Bears"? on: March 25, 2013, 05:52:54 AM
I think the problem is you talk too big a game. I looked at some of your other posts... "small conglomerate startup"? Indeed.

I apologise for the ad-hominem, and pointing out your age -- but I felt I had to. Persona and ambition is all well and good... and you are numerate and literate, which is good. Unfortunately your post lacked substance.

Good luck for the future.
747  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 25, 2013, 04:47:42 AM
Can someone explain to me what the current extremely shallow looking depth graph means?


It's the weekend and dollar reinforcements haven't arrived yet Smiley

Does it mean there is a high risk of it dropping rather than raising in value?

Yes -- it's been squeezed all weekend (I assume you noticed?)
748  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: About the Bitcoin trading platform website source code on: March 25, 2013, 04:26:54 AM
^ Really?

Seems a bit stupid, as the BTCChina price just follows the GOX price anyway (albeit a bit higher). All that would do is decrease the liquidity on his exchange.
749  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC/USD: Ready for "The Running of the Bears"? on: March 25, 2013, 04:21:23 AM
Point taken -- if the market is that jittery, then that would mean we were near a top anyway.

But when there are a bunch of new hands, probably directly inbound from Reddit trying to chase the train, I wouldn't underestimate the power of this speculation forum.
750  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wow, when did bitcoin become so expensive? on: March 25, 2013, 04:18:29 AM
I bought my first bitcoins at £4.50, about 2 weeks after discovering it. Over the next few months I spent a lot of time reading up about it, how the protocol works and the safest way to store coins. A few months later I felt confident to make a reasonable investment, by which time the price was £7.50. It's been a lot of fun since then   Grin

Recently, however, I think the price has been rising too quickly. Too high too fast is bad news, as it increases the chances of another major crash. I'm hoping we can settle down for a while so people can get used to this price, before we carry on upwards. Unfortunately I won't be at all surprised if we continue to see a stupid amount of growth next week.

Long term however, I remain optimistic - I see no reason why we shouldn't see coins go for over £1000, so long as there are no major flaws discovered in the protocol. Based on this, I would say that the simplest strategy is to invest an amount that you're willing to lose, and then forget about it for the next few years. You may well be pleasantly surprised when you return to it. I think trying to follow the market and sell the tops is a bad idea for most people, you may win once or twice but eventually you'll get caught out and could lose quite a lot. I'm sure many others here would second this opinion.

I agree, but all growth comes in fits and spurts; it's unreasonable to expect a straight line on a small scale. I think next week will test where bitcoin prices can go ($100+), but there will then be a pull-back. These pull-backs help people regain confidence. The spurts are just as important though, as they test the ceiling.

Definitely agree it is pointless to day-trade; the risks are too high. As a long-term investment though things still look solid.
751  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC/USD: Ready for "The Running of the Bears"? on: March 25, 2013, 04:13:03 AM
ATC I want my 6 minutes of life back that I lost reading all that bull crap!


Chill my friend.  He's just posting his analysis.


Out of the goodness of his heart?

Or in order to precipitate a sell-off and shake down some weak hands?

He's shorted BTC; he's on the sidelines. The way this analysis was worded was intentionally to have the biggest beneficial impact to himself.

I think he's mis-called this one; Friday was the day to do that.
752  Economy / Speculation / Re: Place your predictions for this week! on: March 25, 2013, 04:06:03 AM
I'm going to change my earlier prediction, as Sunday night (US) is surprisingly positive.

I think Monday we will be fighting against $75 most of the day, with a breakthrough late in the evening, probably helped by a new large investor. After that, panic buying from people sitting on the sidelines will set in, and we will race through the $80s, with no walls until $90. Through Wednesday and Thursday, we'll be pushing through and eventually be up against a huge wall at $99. If there is a repeat of past patterns, then we will be through $100, briefly breaking through to around $105 before falling back to new support in the high $80s.

The hard work will then be done. With $100 no longer being a psychological barrier, anything could happen. It really depends on news and fundamentals as to whether the new paradigms will result in decreased stability, or a redoubling.
753  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 25, 2013, 04:00:52 AM
Given a weak weekend, I think this is boding very positively for the next week or two. We'll still be in the low $70s Monday evening US time, and Tues and Weds will be crackers. Once we're through $75, there are only minor step-ups to $100. Looks like $80-$90 will take all of 5 minutes of panic buying.
754  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC/USD: Ready for "The Running of the Bears"? on: March 25, 2013, 03:27:50 AM
I don't gamble; I make calculated investment decisions. No way I'm sending my money to either of your addresses to bet against you.

To newcomers: These guys are betting against the market. Hence this thread. Hold firm.
755  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC/USD: Ready for "The Running of the Bears"? on: March 25, 2013, 03:14:45 AM
Does your point about Bitcoin adoption have any solid numbers behind it?  I can tell you that gox is flooded with new users, coinbase is flooded with new users, and blockchain.info is flooded with new users.  What do you have to show for your assertion that the user base has not even doubled?

PS: Good analysis, learned from it, but it's a technical one, I think you make a mistake in saying news is not fundamental because as more people becomes aware of bitcoin, demand will rise and so will price.

I believe my last reply perfectly fit this part of your posts guys

Not really.

I just see a lot of words by 24 year-olds extrapolating irrelevant past events to the current market. The way he wrote about MACD tries to make him sound like a market veteran. It's not only misleading (you've seen this "nine times out of ten"? What an illustrious career you must have had!); This is pseudo-technical mumbo-jumbo.

I hope that people reading this advice will do their own due diligence and realise what you two are trying to do here. The shakedown already happened this weekend. You're late to the party. As usual, another week comes and brings new liquidity and buying pressure with it.
756  Economy / Speculation / Re: Cypriot banks open in 4.5 hours... Who wants to make a prediction? on: March 25, 2013, 02:59:57 AM
The Cyprus news is important for Bitcoin, but it won't be this simplistic; No-one is going to drink the kool-aid that much. The effect will be a gradual acknowledgement of the lack of safety of traditional savings methods.

Furthermore people who have all their eggs in one basket (in a Cypriot bank), and are appalled by the EU move, are unlikely to move all their eggs into a speculative currency.

However, this is a good thing. Overall, the news is massive, and has a long, positive tail for Bitcoin. It will improve buying pressure for many months, if not years, and will speed adoption.
757  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC/USD: Ready for "The Running of the Bears"? on: March 25, 2013, 02:55:31 AM
You say in your fundamental analysis that "the math doesn't add up". But you don't provide any math. Let me provide some for you:

Bitcoin speculation as a % of overall bitcoin usage has been decreasing since the end of last year. I see this as a very positive sign:




Furthermore you base your initial reasoning on looking for "fundamental changes". This is a big bang. A new market. Not a static one. Fundamentals don't have to improve in order for the market to follow -- they have to remain the same.

Anyway...
FACT: inbound money flow to Gox is huge. FACT: The user base is growing exponentially. FACT: Analysis of online sources shows that this trend is strengthening. This renders your following observations utterly irrelevant:

- "Our stochastics are also pointing towards the over-bought condition. It's all been BUY BUY BUY for weeks on end, and this tells the tale of the weakening money-flow." --- not applicable to a nascent market

- "no one has infinite money to keep pushing the price to infinity, so a correction is going to happen" --- completely irrelevant

Given this, the rest is just "blah blah blah".

If you want to turn a profit, do it. If you want to buy in lower, write this post 3 days ago. But this thread is pointless now.

TL;DR: I think your fundamental analysis is off, and your conclusions are wrong. Furthermore if this post is timed for manipulative impact, you're about 3 days too late.
758  Economy / Speculation / Re: Looks like we are going to hit 1000 usd this year on: March 25, 2013, 02:10:26 AM
And so that begs the question...what will you do if it does?

Wait for 10k
759  Economy / Speculation / Re: Place your predictions for this week! on: March 25, 2013, 01:51:26 AM
Bouncing off $95. But $80 or $125 wouldn't surprise me either...
760  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is $70 the new $12? on: March 25, 2013, 01:35:52 AM
If $70 is the new $12 then "volatile as a firecracker" is the new "stable".
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