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7421  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] Netflix and Hulu 1 Year Subscriptions at 75% Discount [netflix4btc.com] on: February 03, 2014, 05:49:57 PM
Be very wary of purchasing these gift codes. They are typically purchased with stolen credit cards or stolen accounts. Netflix cancels the subscription when the payment for the gift code is reversed.
7422  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] 12 Month Netflix, Pandora, Skype Memberships | Windows 8.1 Professional on: February 03, 2014, 05:48:54 PM
Be very wary of purchasing these gift codes. They are typically purchased with stolen credit cards or stolen accounts. Netflix cancels the subscription when the payment for the gift code is reversed.
7423  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [Cheapest][Vouched]Netflix Account Shop on: February 03, 2014, 05:48:21 PM
Be very wary of purchasing these gift codes. They are typically purchased with stolen credit cards or stolen accounts. Netflix cancels the subscription when the payment for the gift code is reversed.
7424  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTB] Netflix 12 months cards via PayPal on: February 03, 2014, 05:47:48 PM
Be very wary of purchasing these gift codes. They are typically purchased with stolen credit cards or stolen accounts. Netflix cancels the subscription when the payment for the gift code is reversed.
7425  Economy / Digital goods / Re: $12 - 1 Year (12 Month) Netflix Gift Code on: February 03, 2014, 05:47:21 PM
Be very wary of purchasing these gift codes. They are typically purchased with stolen credit cards or stolen accounts. Netflix cancels the subscription when the payment for the gift code is reversed.
7426  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: alternative proof of work on: February 02, 2014, 11:51:45 PM
"Whoever comes up with lowest local minimum within 10-minute block time gets block reward."

How do you get around the need for synchronization, or detect someone spoofing the timestamp?
7427  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Understanding Bitcoin security on: February 02, 2014, 11:43:25 PM
4: What happens if 2 people create the same brain wallet? Are you expected to check blockchain to see if the account has 0 transactions?
4. Literally impossible.

Very possible. If a few million people create brain wallets that are easy to remember, the chances of two people coming up the same private key is high. If two people create the same key, then they share it and can spend each other's bitcoins. Checking the address won't help if you are the first to send money to it.

Read this for more information: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323055.0
7428  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-02-02] Costumers Unhappy With Virtual Mining Company Cloudhashing on: February 02, 2014, 11:24:15 PM
What a worthless site. Who writes articles about Reddit posts? Someone that can't spell "customer", that's who.

"Costumer"


"Customer"
7429  Economy / Economics / Re: The Value of BTC, in terms of Hardware Purchased and Installed on: February 02, 2014, 10:35:47 PM
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If miners stopped selling mined bitcoins, there would still be 12 million bitcoins. The price would not go to infinity. Are you claiming that when the last bitcoin is mined, the price will go to infinity or zero?
... Price will go to infinity only theoreticaly when last bitcoin is mined. Sum of all bitcoins price will be just equal to energy and resources that were required to produce all of those. ...

The price can't go to infinity because then I could buy everything in the world with a single satoshi ... and so could everyone else.

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A sane person would use 40k$ to buy 40k$ worth of bitcoins instead of buying something that will mine only 20k$ worth of bitcoins.
Not exactly because you not only mine 20k$ worth bitcoins but you also increase the hashspeed of the pool that will eventualy drive the price up so your bitcoin will be worth more than 20k$ eventually.

My 40k$ worth of purchased bitcoins will always be worth double your 20k$ worth of mined bitcoins regardless of what happens to the difficulty. Spending 40k$ to buy 20k$ worth of newly mined bitcoins makes no sense when you can buy 40k$ worth of previously mined bitcoins.
7430  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Bitcoin Specie Project sponsored by the makers of New Liberty Dollar on: February 02, 2014, 09:59:28 PM
It is ironic that the fake coin on Ebay costs more than 1 oz of silver.
7431  Economy / Economics / Re: The Value of BTC, in terms of Hardware Purchased and Installed on: February 02, 2014, 09:37:10 PM
Well if there would be a single bitcoin mined at the cost of 100000000000000000000000000000$ it would be worth exactly that. For example one gram of a moon dust is worth aproximately 5mln dollars... not because everyone wants to have it but because it's scarce!!! Get it? Smiley

If nobody wanted that bitcoin, then it might be worth 100...000$ to you, but it would be worth 0$ to everyone else.

If none of them would sell and just kept their BTC price would grow expotentialy to infinity because Bitcoin is finite resource!

If miners stopped selling mined bitcoins, there would still be 12 million bitcoins. The price would not go to infinity. Are you claiming that when the last bitcoin is mined, the price will go to infinity or zero?

Call me crazy man but if i could buy a 40k$ miner right now just to harvest 20k$ worth BTC i would buy it right now (unfortunatly i dont have 40k$).

A sane person would use 40k$ to buy 40k$ worth of bitcoins instead of buying something that will mine only 20k$ worth of bitcoins.
7432  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tax on mining due to soil and water conservation. on: February 02, 2014, 08:53:34 PM
First you have to explain your goal, and then explain how taxing miners will accomplish it.

End word hunger! Tax computer users! What?
7433  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Adoption = Bitcoin Price Stability? on: February 02, 2014, 08:46:23 PM
It is important to note that adoption itself doesn't affect the price. It is the effect of adoption on supply and demand that affects the price. It seems obvious that increased adoption will increase demand, which will cause the price to rise. However, increased adoption could also increase the supply of bitcoins available to spend and reduce the demand, and that would put downward pressure on the price.

Here are ways in which increased adoption could increase the supply or reduce the demand:

1. Velocity -- increased adoption will make bitcoin transactions more liquid. Fees will drop and it will become much easier to obtain bitcoins and exchange them, and there will be less need to hold them. So, where it now takes 11 million BTC to power the economy, in the future it could take much less. Demand will drop as a result.

2. Fractional reserve banking -- At some point when Bitcoin has become more mainstream, a fractional reserve banking system may develop and the supply of bitcoins will double or triple, or more.

3. Reduced savings -- As the exchange rate begins to stabilize, the return on holding bitcoins will drop and people will be less inclined to hoard them. Spending hoarded bitcoins will increase the supply.
7434  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Throw Charlie under the bus and wash your hands clean of your biggest advocate on: February 02, 2014, 08:21:18 PM
I don't think anyone threw him under the bus -- I think he walked in front of it.
7435  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Netflix to accept Bitcoins soon on: February 02, 2014, 08:13:47 PM
Coinbase and Bitpay and their VC investors start rumors like this to pump up business. Max Keiser passes these rumors along because it is good for his business too.
7436  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Netflix to accept Bitcoins soon on: February 02, 2014, 08:02:27 PM
While it may be possible that Netflix will eventually accept Bitcoin, it is unlikely for a very simple reason. Netflix depends on subscriptions and people paying every month whether they watch or not. People paying bitcoin would have to decide every month if they want to pay or not, and Netflix would lose subscribers every month.

One solution would be to sell 1-year subscriptions that could be refunded at any time. They might also accept bitcoin in areas where credit card fraud is high and where credit card usage is low.
7437  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-01-29] The Emerging Bitcoin Civil War on: February 02, 2014, 07:44:57 PM
I don't care so much about whether my neighbors or the mainstream use Bitcoin except that if they don't, then the demand for bitcoin never grows to support its present valuation, much less the valuation I'm hoping for. 

People that care only about the price of bitcoin are no better than the Wall Street banksters that it will replace.
7438  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2014-02-02 World Bank & Gates Foundation Sponsored CGAP Gives Bitcoin Thumbs Dow on: February 02, 2014, 07:41:42 PM
I think both sides are both right and wrong.

The basic arguments are:

Believer: "Bitcoin is a huge boon to the poor and unbanked."
Skeptic: "Bitcoin is too small, volatile, and inaccessible to be useful to the poor and unbanked."

I believe the truth lies between the two extremes:

Skeptic: "Bitcoin is currently too small, volatile, and inaccessible to be useful to the poor and unbanked."
Believer: "Bitcoin will be a huge boon to the poor and unbanked when it becomes bigger, less volatile, and more accessible."
7439  Economy / Economics / Re: The Value of BTC, in terms of Hardware Purchased and Installed on: February 02, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
The cost of mining has very little (if any) effect on the price of Bitcoins. Instead, the price determines the cost of mining (except these days when people seem to be happy to mine at a loss).
I totally disagree! The model you are talking about works for fiat currency. It's not going to work with cryptos. Cryptos are the exact oposite of fiat so you have to reverse your thinking aproach.

This has nothing to do with how currencies work. It is basic microeconomics. Price affects mining because if the price drops, then fewer people mine because it is no longer profitable for them. The difficulty drops and the costs go down. If the price rises, then more people mine because they can now make a profit. The difficulty goes up and the cost goes up. In the end, the cost of mining is around the value of the bitcoins mined (in theory).

Now, please explain the mechanism behind how the cost of mining affects the price. Keep in mind that the amount of newly mined coins is only a small fraction of the trading volume on the exchanges.

I don't understand why people continue to cling to your belief. Perhaps it is because the miners that are currently mining at a loss (which is most of them right now) pray that their mining will cause the price to rise so they don't feel so bad about it.

Its the scaresity that drives it price not the present market usefullness (which is great by the way).

Scarcity is a factor, but you have to be careful because demand is an equal factor. If there were only a single bitcoin it would be extremely scarce, but if nobody wanted it, its value would be 0 despite its scarcity.
7440  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: QRK is climbing crazy like on: February 02, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
It may be climbing, but it is still less than half of what it was after the Bill Still/Max Keiser pump in December.
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