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7521  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: "The Lower-Risk Gambling Guidelines" Is this a joke? on: September 25, 2022, 01:09:04 AM
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Don't get too serious on the guidelines, many of us here already considered that as a joke due to the same reason you stated.  I believe the one who propose  that idea has little to no experience of gambling stuff.  The article openly disregards the thoughts and actual experience of gambling thus creating those ridiculous guidelines.  Or probably the author creates those for the sake of just creating a guideline without giving any consideration to fairness and balance with the gambling industry.

I agree with you. I can't even imagine how those guidelines will be properly followed exactly as it is stated. Actually, if those will be followed then it will really give us the lower risk of losing but there's no fun on doing that. Better for me to force myself to stopped gambling rather than following those guidelines.

Anyways, I found that guidelines as a humor. We should not take it seriously.

Well yes, they can be taken like this knowing that we here have some experience in games, but there are many newbies and they want to do things well, so these guidelines are ideal for them, that helps them to have more control, not to fall into addiction and something that can be taken into account is that by following these rules they can forge a very good discipline so that they can carry out a good plan when playing, of course this is something that I think due to the guidelines found, some are very nice, but for example I am a player who already has his own rules, if I self-impose rules that I don't like, well I won't accept them at all, then I'll start making mixes and I don't like it.
7522  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: September 25, 2022, 12:52:55 AM
, Bayern will be the leader and will gradually increase its advantage over everyone.

Yeah that's classic Bayern  Cheesy.

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Will anyone bet on Bayern in the next round or should we wait for the result of the game with Barcelona to begin with?  Grin

I think it should be interesting to see what lineup Nagelsmann chooses. The game against Barcelona is not an easy one either so I expect Nagelsmann to go out with best. Their game in Bundesliga against Augsburg isn't a difficult one so I expect them to pick up the pace from hereon as they already have dropped points in 3 matches in a row.

I will say make bets after watching lineup. One won't get good value betting on Augsburg vs Bayern so if anyone is betting on goals market then better watch the lineup is what I would say.  Regarding their CL, game I am in for Barca as there is lot of pressure on Bayern as both CL and their league game is crucial and while the bookie might favour Bayern here but I think Barca has an equal shot here so I think if I would bet than I would go for Barca just with a likely low bet and enjoy the match.

For me, between Bayern and Barcelona I will always prefer Bayern, for me they have a better line-up, better players and above all their attitude is something that I like more, when Bayern loses I don't care, I will still support them, even more so when be against Barcelona, for me Bayern was not the champion of the UCL because they trusted and paid dearly for it, so in this area nobody can be wrong or have any kind of doubt, in the UCL there are only the best, there is no right to have some flaws, that's why I say, this year it is very likely that Bayern can reach the final, for me the final will be Bayern and Real Madrid.


I am with you on that, though i do not support any particular team in the Bundesliga, but i do not like it when one team dominates a league for too many years. Just like what happened in Italy, i was very happy when Juventus lost grips of the Italian seria a title, and now any team can win it, that is what i hope to happen in the Bundesliga from this season, now that bayern are not in their best rhythm, it is the right time for the other good teams around them to step up and challenge seriously for the title.
Bundesliga is one of the boring leagues compared with La Liga, EPL, Serie A, and others. There are only a few clubs that are big clubs. However the doinance of Bayern Munich is very high. But this is different this season why Bayern may not be able to fs more on the Bundesliga. Because they commonly will lose the match every time. And the position of Bayern right now is really not dominating. They are only in the top 5. It is funny right? because a giant club of Bundesliga can only be in the top  5, but they seem like being enjoyable in the standing  Grin
It is undeniable that the interest for the Bundesliga is actually very small when compared to Serie A and the EPL considering that the title of the farmers' league is still attached to them and we can also know who the champion is even before the season starts.
But now it's interesting because even for the last 10 seasons I forgot when Bayern were in the position they are in now considering in the previous season they always dominated even from the start of the season.

If eventually the Bundesliga is a league that does not have much fame, but nevertheless it is incredible, but I think that the 2nd Bundesliga has much more excitement, some say and affirm that Serie A, EPL, is more exciting and famous, but they also forget to some very important leagues such as the Espalos and the French League, but I think a league is much more famous when there are famous players in it, and in the French League there are only one team with top-level world stars and special candidates for that they can become champions of their countries in the QATAR cup, so for now I would not say that this league would be below, I think that after the World Cup everything will take a big turn.
7523  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: September 25, 2022, 12:23:32 AM
The good news is that we can still buy beer in Qatar during the 2022 FIFA world cup. because the FIFA has held intensive talks with the organizers. because this issue is important to FIFA. because after all the producer of Budweiser Beer has been the main sponsor of FIFA for almost three decades. And taking into account the World Cup spectators who also came from outside Qatar. then later there will be a stand selling beer near the stadium door. so the audience can still enjoy a beer while watching the game.

I think its not a big issue and football can continue even if there is a ban on alcohol and other restrictions. The world must understand that every country has its own values and we must respect those value. Alcohol is ban in Qatar since its an Islamic country but since Qatar has bowed then its good for alcohol lovers.
It is our moral value to follow the rules of every country. Since Qatar is going to host the best World Cup in history, they can make rules to end it successfully. It is our moral duty to respect that rule. Hope all of us who are going to watch the game live will watch the game with the rules in mind. Hope we all enjoy the World Cup.
This year's World Cup in Qatar will be spectacular. The country's authority is doing a lot of duty so that they can finish the World Cup successfully. Qatar can make some rules to manage everything properly which I think is normal. It is our moral responsibility to follow their rules. Hope those who will watch the game live will be very careful about their rules and regulations.

Well, the regulations can be many, but the fun does not have many regulations, as they have said before, the parties can enjoy them with their beers, they are also sponsors and really being in the stadium and seeing them drinking beer is something that has no price, because where I live it is not allowed, usually here people go crazy when they get drunk and everything can go out of control, this has happened, and it is for this reason that alcoholic beverages are strictly prohibited, however people sometimes They secretly put liquor and there are usually some problems, either from blows or from getting between bars.

After seeing the latest Nations League games I can conclude that the main favorites this time won't be from Europe,European bigger teams are being in not a good condition and the one who probably is somewhat better which is Italy didn't make it to this tournament for this time.I think this will be disputed between Brazil and Argentina and I also predict a final between them.There are no other teams except the big European ones who can defeat Brazil or Argentina but seeing these European teams in a lot of difficulties it is only natural now that the World Cup trophy is not going in Europe this time.
Actually I wasn't too sure when the Nations League became the benchmark now, but indeed for Brazil today they are very different from a few years ago.
The condition of their players is even and there are many potential new players for them at this time.
Call it Vini, Richalrison and Antony in attack and Militapo in defense.
Not to mention with the support of players who can currently be considered as caliber as Raphinha and Neymar, it is clear that Brazil is currently a strong candidate after several years of absence.

Well this is something that has to be recognized, for me Brazil is a country that has a lot of talent, the players are quite efficient, they have a lot of attacking output, they have a Neymar who, no matter how hard he is, is a player who can solve a game in 1 second, at the least expected moment he can score a goal, these Nations League games sometimes I see it as a double-edged sword, there is the tremendous blow that CR7 took with the Czech Republic goalkeeper, he shed a lot of blood and I think more than one in Portugal got nervous, these hits and any type of injury can mean that a player is left out of the lineup.

Cristiano Ronaldo left bruised and bloodied after sickening collision in Portugal match



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Cristiano Ronaldo was left dazed and with a bloodied nose after a collision during Portugal's Nations League clash with Czech Republic on Saturday. The veteran forward was given medical attention following the incident.

Source:https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1673877/Cristiano-Ronaldo-bruised-bloodied-sickening-collision-Portugal-Czech-Republic

This inning was tough, and it could have been worse, the players who are key to their teams shouldn't risk them, well that's my way of thinking.
7524  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 on: September 24, 2022, 11:51:45 PM
He will be tested again against Butler, expect him to perform the same
way as how he over power Donaire.

I think it's better to say that Paul Butler will be the one that will be tested instead, not Inoue. Cheesy

Inoue doesn't need to be tested on this fight as he is up against Butler at all factors. The chance of Butler winning this fight is really low. The only advantage that Butler will have is if Inoue will have an injury prior to their fight. But Inoue is very disciplined with his training and never pushes his body too far that's why even a slight injury will not happen on Inoue's side during training.

I agree with you, Butler will also have options to win, but I think the only option is the surprise, that he surprises him at any moment, either trying a knockout or something, but I'm sure that for now Inoue has a very high level , and I think that he has achieved this due to his high training and really because he has great experience in the fight, this determines him as a fighter and as a person who does not lower his level despite having many victories, I am also a supporter that the undisputed winner will be Inoue, but for me there is still a long time for this fight, anything can happen and Butler can have a very exhausting training to face him, and that can make the difference.

So I don't think that Butler can go the whole 12 rounds. It will really be a punishment and maybe his team will throw in the towel because they don't want Paul to get ruin by so much punches he will get from Inoue if ever it will go to the distance and they will still lost in the judges card.

His team might not get even a chance to throw that towel because Inoue is so quick that they will not know when is the right time to throw that towel to stop the fight. The moment they will throw the towel, Butler might already kiss the floor.

No disgrace to Butler or to any fans here that we are throwing speculations like that. It's just that, that's the close thing to happen. Yes, Inoue is also a human and they have the same weight as Butler but the former's built is really something that no one in Bantamweight can match against him.

That only shows that Butler is just too far from Inoue's current prowess, we cannot be throwing some low speculations to his end if we don't know the real score between. That is just sad for Butler and I bet that even him knew and cannot deny that he can't really keep up with Inoue, even Donaire can't keep up, so it is quite safe to assume that Butler won't be fighting for long with Inoue in the same ring.

I agree about that! Butler is nowhere near Inoue's league, I know somebody might argue with me on this especially Butler's fans but that is the truth and I definitely think that majority here would agree with me. Butler's only chance to get out from the fight safe is to get his camp throw in the towel at the end of their selected round, he might get criticized for playing safe but there is no other choice.

What happens is that when a boxer fights it safe, it is something that cannot be applied all the time because that steals a lot of attention and the people and the fans do not like it, more so if they make it all a fight attached only to the technical, because if that is the case, it is better that they do not do it because it would be very boring, if Inoue fights very, very defensively and Butler too (I hope not) it will be a fight that will bring disappointment, but in my personal opinion, I think Butler leaves iur with everything towards Inoue, that's what I think, he won't leave anything up in the air, and he's not going to leave like a loser who didn't want to give everything out of fear, that's the worst thing that could happen to a bnoxer, from my point of view I consider it a great failure.
7525  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing: Dmitry Bivol vs Zurdo Ramirez on: September 24, 2022, 10:48:35 PM

What do you guys think about Ramirez claiming that this fight took so long to materialized because Bivol's camp is afraid with him.

Is it LOL or it makes sense? Might be true that there are hindrances but I think it's not about Bivol is afraid with him.

That's too much to think on their side. Smiley

If we disregard the boxer's ability and just look at the boxer's record then it makes sense.  Since Ramirez record shows more fighting experience and KO percentage.  But patching all together, it is somehow like LOL.  But who knows, often times manager and promoters often avoid matching an opponent that may defeat their boxer.  If it isn't for the WBA ordering Bivol to have a defense against Ramirez, I doubt this fight will happen.
Well, according to what I have seen, Bivol is a very hard and radical boxer, from what I know of the Russians it is very rare for ekllows to be afraid of someone, in general they are not afraid of anyone, no matter how good they are well they get excited to fight with someone who they say is stronger than them, they are very competitive and have many strategies, besides what he showed with Canelo was a great level, in part that was why the fight between Canelo and GGG did not It was very exciting, because it would have been epic if Canelo had beaten him, however Ramírez is a born boxer who has everything to win, I don't know very well how his preparation is, I don't have details, I couldn't say who could lean me to bet.

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I don't think Bivol cares much about the money. Former Soviet fighters are more glory hunters rather than money. Bivol already rejected Canelo's offer for the undisputed titles at super-middleweight. Bivol is a small light-heavyweight and I believe he can make the super-middleweight limit with no difficulty. But he opted to stay at 175 and openly mentioned that he wanted to fight 3-belt champion Beterbiev for the undisputed championships.

No one fights for charity. Bivol is putting so much time and effort in to this, and he deserves a decent payout. If I am not mistaken, he is yet to receive any payment for his win against Canelo. Bivol is a Russian citizen, and there is a blanket ban on wired bank transactions to Russian citizens from the United States. The organizers should have taken care of this, but I guess they never thought that Bivol would win the fight. It is not the question of whether Bivol cares about the money or not. He deserves that amount and it should be credited without much delay.
Yes, we are in the modern era of boxing, every boxer now goes for the money. And it's just just to hear that Bivol hasn't received the money that he deserved after winning against Canelo.

They should have done something by now that they have made the money to Bivol's part. And so the next fight, in cases he won against Ramirez, everything should be settled already.


Something that Bivol's camps need to make sure by now before this fight against Zurdo, like what you all mentioned, it's no longer the old day where fighters are more to fame, nowadays, after the success of those prime legends like Mayweather and Pacquiao, it's more on the money side, fighters are willing to do everything to enjoy the luxury of being the champ and having lots of money to enjoy life.

And I'm pretty sure Bivol also loves to enjoy that privilege after beating Alvarez and put his name at the top.

On his upcoming fight, he might collect more money now and if he will win the chance of making more once Alvarez calls
for the rematch.

Bivol didn't got his money until now? That's harsh! The government should stop interfering from the activities in the sports industry because the people are trying to make a living while putting their lives at stake, Bivol shouldn't be an exemption even if he's a Russian boxer. Unfortunately, I think Bivol will likely receive his paycheck from that fight when the war cools down because until now there's still some conflict going on in Eastern Ukraine. I guess that's exactly the reason why the Bivol-Ramirez fight will take place in the Middle East.

That is likely the case for Bivol, the sanctions of the US against Russia is still up until now, pressuring the Russia to withdraw the war. That said, it is affecting the Russian athletes as it's very difficult for them to get what they deserved. Sports and politics shouldn't be mixed, it's just too ugly.

Well, I understand why the organizers chose Abu Dhabi because the place is neutral and Bivol won't have some difficulties getting his paycheck after the fight.
This is very interesting, I didn't know that in Dubai they were neutral, so this is a paradise for Russians, I think it's excellent that they can do something like this to be able to have fights with the best boxers in the world, I don't really care if it comes from Russia or wherever, I think that here it should prevail that they are good athletes and nothing else, however I think that before this, as always, the first thing is the business model, if the fight attracts many people, it is obvious that it will happen It will not matter that it is Russian, in this type of event I think that the fights can take place, because if it is a lot of money, the one that moves, I do not think they will say No.

Things are heating up because the boxer says the following:


Zurdo Ramirez: No one can help Dmitry Bivol in the ring against me



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“I am very ready for this,” he said at a media day on Wednsday. “The entire world will see Zurdo Ramirez and all the potential I have.

“At the end of the day, it’s just going to be me, him, and the referee inside of the ring. No one can help him once he is in the ring with me.”

Source: https://www.badlefthook.com/2022/9/22/23367977/zurdo-ramirez-no-one-can-help-dmitry-bivol-in-ring-against-me-dazn-boxing-news-2022

Things are getting hot, and this is very good, because it makes the bets interesting, this can change all the bets that you want to make, maybe Zurdo doesn't eat the Russian, this is what I like about boxing, that there are no fears of any kind.
7526  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: September 24, 2022, 09:56:37 PM
A fight against Thurman would be great, and I think Thurman will win and that would make him one of the top contenders to fight the champion. Imagine, if the fight of Spence vs Crawford will not happen, then we can still see Thurman fighting one of them if the promoter will agree.
I'd say it's 50/50

Thurman lose against Pacquiao, but Ugas won. Ugas lose against Porter, but Thurman won.

I think the lose from Spence before will giving Ugas a good lesson because this is the first time he got KO'ed and would make him to improve his chin. However if the fight will happen, it's not surprised if Thurman will be favorite because he have better record.

Well, the fight between Spence and Crawford must happen for me, they have to be very stupid not to take advantage of this business to generate more money, on the other hand, many forget that this November and December will be full of emotions from the best sport in the world or the most favorite all over the world which is football, the world cup will monopolize all the attention of the people, or at least of the majority, then that is where you should take advantage of doing everything possible to do all the fights to keep fans aware of boxing and above all to make the respective bets, this is something they should not give up doing.

No news yet about Canelo yet on whom he will likely face next because he just came out from a trilogy fight against his long rival, Golovkin. Some rumors saying that he will activate his rematch after Bivol-Ramirez fight but I guess Canelo will not activate that if Ramirez will win because Bivol won't have belts by that time.

Recent rumors are saying that Canelo might activate the rematch if Bivol succeeds on his title defense against Zurdo and that might pursue because Bivol has nothing to do afterwards as Beterbiev is currently injured and he also have his own title defense he needed to win.

Also, if you guys remember our past discussion on Canelo's contract, I think it was written somewhere in that said contract that Canelo will face 3 boxers this year or hopefully next year 1st quarter, we already know the 2 boxers namely Bivol and Golovkin. Now, can somebody here guess who's that 3rd boxer? Or can someone confirm that there's indeed 3rd challenger?

Don't have any idea about that but considering that Bivol has his own upcoming fight, it might not be him for this year. But if it's coming next year, the chance of him and Canelo to have their rematch is possible if Bivol will take down Zurdo. We might see Canelo's camp to pursue that intention to have the rematch, for sure it might be more money for both fighters even this time Bivol can ask for more cut compared to what he got last time.

with Canelo's win over GGG, wondering here if he will still be the favourite if he fights Bivol. because last time, bivol was underdog. so am thinking that bookies may favour canelo here. but the odds will be tight. this will be an interesting re-match if this will happen early next year. since bivol is the belt holder, high likely that he will get the bigger cut over canelo.

I think he will still be the favorite against Bivol in this will have their rematch, although it might be closer this time, specially if Bivol will win by knockout against Ramirez or if he dominates him just like how he beat Canelo.

So it's important for Bivol to show another great performance so that he will be fighting Canelo next. And for sure I'm thinking that it will be greater that their first fight because people wanted to see if Canelo can avenge his defeat or if Bivol is really too much for Alvarez.

I am one of the people who should be most in favor of Canelo, but seeing all the events, let's put in context that Canelo has a very strong injury in his hand, after the fight he said that he wants his hand surgery quickly oprque the pain is unbearable, and no matter how good he is, a boxer with a bad hand is not a good thing, so Bivol is not just any boxer, the Russian has a lot of strength, a lot of strength and his technique is not just any, he has very good strategies and that's it He beat him, so I think that when Canelo is done he should postpone it, because fighting with a hand injury is very hard.

Kind of crazy that Mayweather is saying him and McGregor are going to rematch and McGregor is saying he’s not interested. Starting to seem like Mayweather is losing his shine a bit if he’s chasing MMA fighters around for fights. I sort of thought he’d be retired by now but he keeps fighting exhibitions. He’s addicted to boxing.

Can't really blame him because that is Money Mayweather's passion and he is doing his best to do some exhibition fights anywhere in the world while he still can and while he's still known to the public. No denying that doing some exhibition fights is one of his easiest way to make money because of what he had achieved in his time. Sooner or later, that fire that keeps him fighting will burn-out and even Mayweather can't evade that.
That's true, Remember the Mayweather vs Logan Paul fight? I didn't believe that Mayweather would fight Logan Paul even on an exhibition boxing match even their weight differences are far different from each other. It's about money and it's what we are all thinking for the reason why Mayweather agreed. Mayweather is retired but I think he is still utilizing his strength and take a chance in making money thru his boxing skills. Shall we expect another Mayweather odd exhibition match?
Who could turn down easy money, right? I don't know who's the mastermind behind that exhibition fight is, but it's a win-win situation for both of them. Logan Paul has large fan base just like brother and Mayweather has the same because of what he attained in the boxing industry before he retired, so it's a good equation that resulted to a million-dollar revenue.

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Shall we expect another Mayweather odd exhibition match?
Recent speculation is that there may be a Mayweather vs McGregor 2, don't know if it's true but maybe both camps are already talking behind the scenes especially now that McGregor didn't get some fights in UFC since he was injured and defeated by Dustin Pourier last year. He looked so buffed in his recent pictures and seems that he is planning for heavyweight in his comeback in UFC, but even that is not yet confirmed by any sources.

Well, to tell the truth, I have a very vague position when it comes to exhibition fights that have to do with Mayweather, because he is a very controversial boxer, and he does not stop doing things so that everything goes his way, to My nadi gets me out of my head that there had to be a lot of money to have won the fight with Pacquiao, so those things, in particular, I will always have mistrust when it comes to him, because before being a boxer, I see him as a businessman, too He's a good boxer, but it's like we say in South America, he's very "mañoso" to get things, so that makes the sense of boxing decline, at least that's what I think.



Plus there's something you need to know just in case if Bivol doesn't want to fight Canelo:

The best three options for Canelo Alvarez if the Dmitry Bivol rematch doesn't happen



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The face of boxing does not have a shortage of opponents to face if Dmitry Bivol somehow gets removed from the menu. Here are three options for Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez in the case a Bivol rematch doesn't work out.

Gilberto Ramirez, Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez...


Source: https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/the-best-three-options-for-canelo-alvarez-if-the-dmitry-bivol-rematch-doesnt-happen/7t6es92o1veu1qy90tg43y74v

It's a very good article, informative because I don't know if Bivol will give him a rematch or if Canelo doesn't want to fight him, although the Russian is very jealous of how he is.
7527  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: September 24, 2022, 08:51:50 PM
Sad to see Tuchel got fired because the beginning performance of Chelsea wasn't good and Tuchel reject Ronaldo while Chelsea chairman e.g. Todd Boehly want Ronaldo. Since Tuchel already got replaced, is there any chance Ronaldo might join Chelsea?

All can happen, but if according to the gains I think it is only for the short term. Ronaldo's experience is beyond doubt, but his physique has greatly declined. For a premier league that runs a lot he won't be effective. I think buying him for that champion would be useless. But if it is for business, it may be profitable. If Ronaldo goes there, maybe he can play in the UCL. But they are also in transition. It seems difficult if you have to adapt. Whereas Man United they have started and are already looking better, I think Ronaldo just needs to settle in at man United. If he leaves maybe they will also have to wait for the transfer market next season.
Like Tuchel, almost all current coaches prioritize team performance so it is no longer like it used to be where one player is the main center. That's why Tuchel has repeatedly rejected Ronaldo and other coaches from doing the same. In addition, Ronaldo is only able to provide short-term prospects with his age which is no longer young and increasingly losing his productivity on the field. Meanwhile, coaches are now prioritizing long-term performance. We can see that the young players who are recruited show that the demand in the transfer market, managers and coaches is turning to the prospect of long-term players. What happens is that the coach wants the players to work hard, chase the ball, provide assists in every line. It's no longer like Ronaldo who just waits for the ball, is in the penalty box and scores goals.
Well, Tuchel was never good for me, that's my perception, I think he's a coach who is very similar to Ten Hag, I think he's very resentful, and obviously people think that CR7's physique but it's not like that, I just want him to The QATAR World Cup arrives to see the performance of CR7, and see how much he has fallen, there CR7 will have nothing else but to put the team on his shoulders, I hope that Chelsea reconsiders it, I think that the criticism towards CR7 is because he achieves his ability with work, when it comes to Messi he has had a very bad performance, he let himself be guided by an Mbappé who is hardly a weeping and capricious child apart from being very immature, but nobody criticizes him, they do not criticize him because he has a Neymar who covers all the mistakes, if they give him the position he deserves in a team, I'm sure he can do a great job.

More and more rumors for a potential Conte Bis to Juventus at the end of the season.

For these rumors Conte is not renewing his contract with Spurs.
For me Conte is one of the best technical directors there is, if he goes to Juve he wouldn't like it at all, besides a coach of that level is what they need to be able to get ahead, as I said before, they need to get ahead anyway, and for me the players have a lot of problems, and I think that personal problems are just what have slowed down those teams, Juve is one of the biggest teams in the world and it wouldn't be bad if they could sing with the best from Italy. Besides, we all know that Juve is one of the great teams in the world and that they have been champions of the UCL, so it would be a shame if they don't do a good job in Serie A.

7528  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🤯 Trust Dice | sorry but we reduced your winnings by 90% but it’s okay 👌 on: September 24, 2022, 07:36:54 PM
@Blockchayne have a lot of bad experiences in casino especially casinos in this forum you can check the history of his posts
Is this just a coincidence? impossible  Roll Eyes I often see extortion efforts like this and try to damage other casino reputation
I don't accuse anyone of just talking about the possibility  Tongue
OP could reply these questions here if he's clean or not since most casinos that are already here has a long history to tell and the amount we are talking about here isn't too big just to cause enough trouble, yet OP couldn't answer.

We really need the OP's explanation here since we are committed to know the truth of what was actually happening but if OP couldn't answer or tell us something then the side of the casino the truth.

Sometimes businesses have the right to change the rules of winning but if this was the casino's fault, then I think there's a misunderstanding that should be fix by calm communication since the amount involved isn't just worth the trouble.
I support this motion, if we all know that here the most important thing and that it radicalizes to guide us is reputation and when there is something that tarnishes a casino, everything that is necessary will be sought to be able to be well, in order to clarify things OP should answer everything that is asked, and have enough time to be able to establish a good communication between the users of the forum and the site, this is something that must be taken into account in order to establish a link of trust and possibly build a good reputation , this is something that you should build first, otherwise you will hardly be able to succeed, it is just a suggestion so that you can do things well.
7529  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: September 24, 2022, 07:12:27 PM
I think we both agree that Bayern is currently ahead of Barcelona, and in terms of game organization, experience, team cohesion etc.
Everyone wondered how Bayern would play without Lewandowski, but in fact, you can hardly see any difference in their game, they are still a great team, maybe even a better team compared to last season.
I watched their game against Inter and it was a rarely seen dominance from an away team against Inter in Milan.
Barcelona is slowly raising the level of their game with Xavi, but it will take them some time to reach the level of Bayern.
I don't think I can say that it took long for Barcelona to reach the level of Bayern Munich (what does level really mean in the game of football?). The reason is, that the match has not happened and can not measure how far the difference between the two is and how far behind Barcelona from Bayern Munich is. In football, nobody always wins right? Well, this also applies to Bayern Munich when it comes to dealing with Barcelona.

We all shall watch Barcelona dismantle Bayern Munich on Tuesday night
Bayern Munich could not win thier game in Bundesliga well and you expect them to do against Barca
Barcelona played beautifully well, they just have to repeat same in the next few days against Bayern

Well, now we have seen who had the best experience, and it is known by nature that Bayern will always have advantages, it is a much more compact team that has top-level players and what I like most about Bayern is that in Germany there are stars do not give them as much importance as in other teams, the stars learn to do things better for the team and not everything revolves around them, for example, I was a fan of PSG but the attitudes of a player like Mbappé disappoints me , and having said no to Real Madrid is something that will affect him his whole life, and I'm sure he let go of a great opportunity that I'm sure he'll never be given again, but not only because of that but also because of the attitude of the list against his teammates was unethical.

Being inexperienced in big tournaments like this one might be a problem for Graham Potter maybe. They couldn't beat Salzburg for example but it was his first Champions League game at the same time. Chelsea still have four more games to play here. Nothing has ended for them yet but on the other hand they are going to play against Milan two times in a row now. This is the most critical time period of the group stage for them. If they don't get at least four points from these games then their chance to move on can be much lower depending on the results of Dinamo Zagreb - Salzburg games.
Chelsea have actually made the transfer they need for solving their scoring issues. But let's see how good Aubameyang will be able to perform. If he doesn't perform like he was at Barcelona then they might still have serious issues.
Inexperience during champions league shouldn't be a problem because their opponents are not that much amazing aside from maybe Milan, so they should be second at worst no matter what. The fact that they are not shows that it is not just inexperience in UCL, but inexperience with a big club like this before.
Potter has been a manager for a while now, but he hasn't really managed a team at the size of Chelsea before, and definitely never been with a club that spent 200+ million in a single off-season. That type of size definitely requires a bit of experience, which you gain by doing it for the first time, because nobody grows knowing it, it just so happens that Potters first time will be with Chelsea.

Qualifying for the next round of the Champions League will not be too difficult for Chelsea if they are able to perform consistently well. Chelsea will still have the opportunity to play 4 matches. If they are consistent and stable they can easily qualify for the next round from second place in the table.

I'm not calling Potter a bad coach. But he is not experienced enough to manage a big team like Chelsea. And so I don't think he will be able to change the team's performance very quickly. But given enough time, he might be able to stabilize the team.

For me Chelsea has everything to qualify, I know there are those 4 games left, but for me they will win them, and I really admire the work of all the players and the technical director, and it is a great job that they have done and for me it will be one Of the surprise teams for the competition, some had no faith in them, but I really admire their ability to start and be about to qualify, the work of the technical director has been impeccable, raising a team from nothing and making their players understand each other and give their best is something that few achieve, I believe that the motivation that the players have has also had a great influence.Everyone hates Tuchel's work but for me it has been very good, the only thing is that it is no longer giving results and when that happens, it has to be replaced, but for me it did its part.


I don't expect much from Chelsea this season. Chelsea's squad is not strong enough to win the title. They have several talented players in their squad. But a stronger squad is needed if they want to win the title. Also, Chelsea's new coach can stabilize the team but we don't know that yet. I look forward to seeing Chelsea's performance in the next few matches.

Chelsea team as individual players are good very good but when you put them together as a team they are not very good. That is to show that Chelsea problem can be coaching problem. Tuchel got it wrong because some few players that understood his type of play left the team. It was as if his defence line was just new and they didn't adapt so fast to his pattern of play. I wish that same thing will not happen to Graham Potter.

I don't think he was wrong, because Tuchel's work was good, but we all know that when a technical director no longer gives results, it is obvious that he is replaced, but I think that one of the things that we sometimes do not appreciate is good work of what some have done, then it's time to change phase, and they achieve that through a technical director.

Here is one of the stories that can continue to push Chelsea forward, will it be the solution? The genius tells him:

Graham Potter's tactical genius and how it can benefit Chelsea in crunch Premier League matches



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Graham Potter's Brighton & Hove Albion side produced a wonderful performance against Manchester United on the opening weekend of the season

Source: https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/graham-potter-chelsea-premier-league-24984962

Well now it's time to wait and see how everything continues to develop.

7530  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: September 24, 2022, 06:12:43 PM
Lille are still terrible at defending. They weren't having any problem with scoring but they were conceding goals very easily at the same time. As a result I was expecting the Marseille - Lille match to end over 2.5 goals which happened just as I expected. Marseille are on a really incredible run as this 2-1 win made their winning streak five matches in the league.

This is when I start betting against teams like this, odds will probably get worse and worse for their opponents as they rack up the win streak, so I'm hoping to see special flavouring odds but still annoyed it's only just above 3/1 with Rennes... though in 2 days Frankfurt is over 4/1 to win against them in Champions League.

Or is this time to double on the money on Marseille?
Well for me, Marseille and Lille were the teams that I thought were going to stand out the most in the French league, I thought they were going to face PSG, because a team like Marseille has everything it takes to be able to stop a team like PSG, my epseranzans changed in that direction, and it's not because I don't want PSG to stay in the league again, not at all, I just want a rival to come out that doesn't make it easy for them like it was last season, to That is very important to me, just as I think that for now these teams will hardly get out of where they are stuck, and PSG the only one that can give them a fight is any team from the UCL.

Yes, they are very different when compared to Paris Saint Germain, they not only lost in terms of players, money, also all aspects that the team needs. This makes it difficult for us to find competitive competition here. How is it possible that a team that doesn't have everything that Paris Saint Germain has will be able to provide stiff competition. I can't think of that in Ligue 1 competition.
Ligue 1 doesn't have more big investors going into each team, so only Paris Saint Germain are showing up more because they have the money and good players that the team needs. Because it will be very difficult for a team to be competitive if the team does not want to spend money to get better players. That's why Ligue 1 is not so exciting and competitive in terms of competition when compared to other Leagues in every season. This season in Ligue 1 I have only seen a slight difference in the Marseille team from several teams with the same performance as last season.
Marseille is only able to provide competition in the top flight but cannot break PSG dominance as Ligue 1 champions. From year to year only PSG are able to win the Ligue 1 title, other teams are only complementary. The quality of Ligue 1 is still below other top European leagues, for that reason investors are less interested in looking at Ligue 1. So it is not wrong if Ligue 1 is called an agricultural league because only PSG always dominates the standings.

All teams in Ligue 1 are very weak compared to PSG. While PSG has plenty of money, the rest of the Ligue 1 teams are not financially strong. And so they cannot buy star players to strengthen the squad. As long as clubs don't find rich owners, they won't be able to build a team as strong as PSG. As long as the teams are not able to strengthen themselves, we will continue to see PSG reign.

if you are partly right, it is very difficult to compete against a sheikh who has so much, so much money, but of course this gives room for teams like Marseille and Lyon to shake it off and that not all football should revolve around the stars, that they could also shine, it's like that time when Real Madrid had all the stars of the moment playing together, and Barcelona showed him that not everything was money but football that with good football they could win, something like that should be psyched up, you only need 1 or 2 stars in a team to shine, it all depends on the manager and the approach you want to give it, but Marseille and Lyon have the material to master.

It is not easy for the Ligue 1 to attract sponsorships and investors too much while the English Premier League is the focal point for those. As long as the Ligue 1 doesn't do extra things which might draw the attention of people from that league more to themselves, there won't be anything changing. But as for how they can do this, it is a big question mark of course. To tell the truth I find Ligue 1 football quite boring except PSG's performance. While teams aren't rich it is impossible for them to build a squad similar to PSG's.

It looks like there are only two ways to increase the popularity of this league:

- Some more teams to be bought by very rich people to increase the competition level
- PSG's starting to win some Champions League titles to draw the attention here

Well, it's no secret to anyone that we always see PSG as one of the top teams in the French League, but they don't show the football they should, with a team with such a high number of stars, it's for them to have won the UCL, and they didn't, so this is an index that they lack a lot as a team, Real Madrid, which is a team that has veteran stars and beat an Mbappé in the prime of his life, a veteran Messi who can win up to a World Cup, next to a Neymar who can do whatever he wants on the pitch, this is something that PSG leaves a bad taste in the mouth of its fans, we have to wait, one thing is the French league, another is the UCL.
7531  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: September 24, 2022, 04:31:26 PM
I think Liverpool must be patient, let Klopp fix this, don't let Klopp be sacked. This is a case similar to Barcelona where Messi lived and Real Madrid was left with Ronaldo in the beginning, they lost Barcelona and Madrid were also playing poorly but over time they could improve their game even though Liverpool lost the Mane Liverpool could definitely get back up

I think it's only a matter of time because if the problem of Sadio Mane's move to Bayern Munich, the replacement they get from Benfica Darwin Nunez isn't too bad, it's just that Nunez doesn't have much playing time which hinders Darwin Nunez's developments in Liverpool. And I don't think the management will sack Jurgen Klopp just because Liverpool have drawn three match and lost one of the six match played.

What happens when results get worst and nothing gets better
Jurgen Klopp needs to take fast decisions before it's too late
Nunez can never be a replacement for Sadio Mane, Diaz trying but still not equal to the task
If Mane is an important and influential player, then Bayern Munich should be able to get good results, but what is happening now is Bayern Munich is not getting perfect results. This proves that Mane is not the only player who has a big influence on team performance, because after all there will always be times when a team will experience a decline in performance. This is a normal occurrence because maybe new players at Liverpool still need time to get the desired chemistry, after all this is Liverpool not Chelsea who do not hesitate to sack their coach suddenly.

For me Klop is not doing badly, and I think that very rarely do I support even a technical director, for now in many clubs there are good technical directors, and they really give good results, Klop for me is one, like Ancelotti, Mou with Roma, this is something that should be recognized, also Xavi's work with Barcelona, this is something that should not surprise us, for me Liverpool should get ahead with the material they have, just like Mane at Bayuern , he does not only do Bayern but all of them, Muller is a player who has a lot of relevance, the team in general has a great commitment, not all the weight should fall in the hands of one player, because otherwise what CR7 is experiencing will happen to him .

Before met with Manchester City I think have important match for Arsenal after break out from FIFA matchday against with Tottenham Hotspur on London derby and next week later Liverpool have waiting to know about how consistent Arsenal performance this season met with bigger team. Last 6 won of 7 games dominance with small team from Crystal Palace, Leicester City, Bournemouth and other small team success won by Arsenal.

Defeated by Manchester United seem inconsistent performance from Arsenal if met bigger team, how come later if Arsenal met with Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur? How much percent ability for Arsenal can win if met with bigger team? will get loss again after defeating by Manchester United looks not really bigger team after start this primer league season with bad performance.
The next 2 EPL matches will definitely determine whether Arsenal deserve to be in first position because the next match Arsenal will face Tottenham and Liverpool

If Arsenal lose to these 2 teams, it is certain that Arsenal will be shifted easily by Manchester City. arsenal is not stable yet and just lucky because they face a team that you can say is not so favourite

Arsenal is a team that for now is misleading to me, it has a lot of potential and sometimes it plays unstoppably, sometimes I think that Arsenal can be the undisputed winner because now Bayern has many problems, and they don't have good strikers who can respond as they want,  the Pep Guardiola does his best. If Arsenal decides to make the right moves and the players decide to go with everything, it is likely that we will see Arsenal in first place and the truth is that I don't think they are going to lose first place so easily, for me it is one of the main teams that can win the PL, this is just speculation, it remains to be seen how Manchester will react, which in fact are doing very well in the UCL.

because it is still very early, of course, it is still very difficult to predict the winner. the difference in points is still very small. This shows that currently, the Premier League is still very competitive.
when other strong teams get their best game again. I think the Premier League will come back very exciting. we certainly saw how Manchester United, Liverpool, and Chelsea performed poorly to start this season. but when they've got their best game again. there will be more teams for the best place. this will create more fights. the more consistent one will win.
The premier league is highly competitive presently and predicting the winner is definitely a difficult one currently. Arsenal are topping for now, but other clubs have not gain their best form like Liverpool, cheslea and Manchester United. When these teams comes back, there's definitely going to be high level competition in the premier league. So I think arsenal should take their chances and top the table to their fullest capacity because they might not be able to stand the strength challenges on their way.

It's like I was saying, if Arsenal stay with a 6-9 point lead over the others, it will be very difficult for the other teams to catch up because it's a fact that they will be very motivated and nobody likes to lose the first place, I only think that the players have in their minds the awareness of what it means to be the first in the PL, that it is a very fought position and that it means and makes the difference, they have very strong teams, Liverpool is another team that you have to have a lot In this regard, I think they have been organizing very well and are hungry for goals and to climb much higher, of course I know that all eyes are on Manchester, they are the most emblematic team and have a lot to offer.

7532  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: September 24, 2022, 03:40:38 PM
Here's a surprise. The current leader, Atalanta, only drew at their stadium with the weak Cremonese, for whom this is only the second point which they got this season. Lazio, Udinese and Juventus can take advantage of Atalanta's point loss today. If these teams beat their lower-ranked opponents, it will get really tight in the top of the Serie A table.
a fantastic result for the Cremonese Club. looks like they will be hard to beat this season. they defended really well and could have stolen a point from Atlanta. Cremonese isn't that bad compared to the other two promoted clubs. I'm sure they can get their first win soon. They deserve a higher position in the league this season.
Well, in football I would not call any team bad, I think it is an inappropriate description, much less weak, because if it tied for first place, which is Udinese, I think that Cremonese is a team that can have everything for climbing, besides it's not that far, if they start to win and win they can climb quickly, of course they have to go over Milan AC and they also have to overcome a Roma team that has really been doing things well despite of their losses, but Mou is there for anything, but I liked how Cremonese played, they could have won, but a draw at this point is very good.

By noting that Cremonese is a quite capable team, many things can be presented to the other teams, perhaps they no longer see it as the easy one, or the weak one.

In the next round a really interesting game between inter and roma it will be critical for both teams considering the position they are on, they both lost their last game and if they lose this one they can kiss goodbye their chances in competing for the serie A statisticaly inter team is the favourite since they are playing home and roma team is unable to beat them since 2017 but i think in this game it will be different roma team are having a decent performance lately.
In terms of quality, Inter and Roma teams are currently almost on par with their development this season but until now these two teams have not been able to be consistent, so I think this battle will be very fierce of course and both still have the same chance to win the match .
if you look at the previous match between the two teams at the beginning of this season, I think betting on goals over is better than choosing to win one of them, the chances of winning the bet are much greater.
This is a fierce match that Serie A will be waiting for next week.
3 defeats and 2 wins for Inter and 2 defeats 2 wins and 1 draw for Roma obviously this is not something good to be considered as a challenger in the current championship.
Right now, it's very likely that in the big match I still feel like I'm going to draw but it's possible that there will be a slim victory for one of the teams that are currently competing.
Regardless of it all when there is one team that manages to win this game will definitely be a good thing in my opinion.

Well, neither Inter nor Roma are so bad, if we take into account that we can do more with respect to the UCL, Serie A is going very well, when comparing with the other leagues we see that the teams that are favorites to win their championships they are going through similar times, now well, with the exception of Italy (which is not going to the World Cup) the other teams have players who will go to the World Cup, but for their part in Italy there are players who will also play in the World Cup, I think, the players They are taking great care of themselves and this may be a consequence of not being 100%, don't you think something like this could be happening? Of course it's just speculation.

Juventus may be interested to sign Conte as the replacement for Allegri but I doubt Tottenham will allow him to leave. Since Conte managed Tottenham, there is a good improvement in this club performance. Tottenham management must try to keep Conte, they will offer an extension for Conte's contract. And I am sure Conte probably accepts the extension to ensure Tottenham plays well until the end of the season. I don't think Conte to leave what he just begins in Tottenham.

Juventus is better to look for another option to replace Allegri. The chance to sign Conte seems rather small.
Even things are not good in Juventus but still there is no fair chance for sacking Allegri and bringing new coach because few days back Juventus management already announces they have faith in him, and they are looking for positive development in coming weeks which is good decision from them because sacking coach in hurry is never been bringing positive results.

Conte is not leaving Tottenham until end of this season with this most chances if Juventus management feels to have some changes then surely they will do this all at the end of this season with there could be some more options also available but right now doing like this is surely more mess up not good for team as we all know having extension was Conte's decision, so he will not leave just after few weeks of this season.

According to what I have seen so far, Antonio Conte is only recruited by teams who are in trouble. During the time when he was appointed as a manager by Chelsea, the club was in a dire situation at that time. Next, when he moved to Tottenham, they were in the midst of a great deal of trouble as well.

Due to Juventus' current struggles in the league, they are also now considering Antonio Conte as their next manager. I am sure that Antonio Conte will be able to do the same if Juventus decide to appoint him as the new head coach, just as he has proven to everyone that he can bring a team back from the brink of oblivion.


Regards

Duke

The Antonio Conte thing is something that has been going around in my head if it really suits Juve, for me and in my personal opinion I think that the team in general have problems, whether they are personal problems and they take them directly to the games, I know they are professionals, but lately personal problems have been attacking the players a lot, for example: CR7, Piqué, Mbappé, Neymar, many people expect a lot from them and there are times when the circumstances don't work out, so it's a matter of learning To understand, for me the basis of a good team is that everyone understands each other and sees each other almost like brothers, because that harmony fixes any difficult situation in a game.



On the other hand, Inter wants DYBALA but...

Zanetti: ‘Inter were negotiating for Dybala but then we signed Lukaku’



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“Yes, there was negotiations, but when we signed Lukaku we already had an important forward. I think he’s well at Roma. I know Mourinho and I know he can make the most of him.”

He gave his thoughts on Lukaku and his return to the Lombardy capital.

“Together with Lautaro Martinez he did well, let’s hope Lukaku returns as soon as possible because we need him and everyone. They are two important players.”

The Inter vice president discussed the growth of Lautaro and his development at the club.

“We had been following him for a long time, I was talking to Milito who was manager of Racing at the time. The great thing is that when you buy a young player you don’t see what he can give in the immediate future, but what he could give in the next four or five years.

“He is taking the steps that a great player must take, he is a reference point for Inter and the national team. Many compare him to Bati, I’m happy and proud of this because I contributed to getting a player who is now an Inter asset.”

Source: https://football-italia.net/zanetti-inter-were-negotiating-for-dybala-but-then-we-signed-lukaku/

We can understand that things happened very quickly and in fact in the article they also talk about the DiMaria Fideo.
7533  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: September 23, 2022, 11:46:10 PM
Real Madrid were able to maintain a perfect start to the season, having won over Mallorca 4-1. Late goals from Rodrygo and Rudiger firmly put Madrid in the lead. With this victory, Ancelotti's team remains at the top of the standings.

Real Madrid host Leipzig in the Champions League on Wednesday ahead of the derby against Atletico Madrid four days later.
Yes, so far this season Real Madrid is the only team that has had perfect results with consecutive wins, but maybe Real Madrid's first obstacle is against Atletico. Because even though Real Madrid are unbeaten so far, Real Madrid still haven't played against tough teams. So yes, with Real Madrid having to play against Leipzig in the Champions League it is still not easy even though the opponent is Leipzig, because the match in the Champions League certainly has high prestige so Ancelotti is required to make the right rotation so that the results obtained are still good results when playing against Atlético.

Madrid have a perfect record so far, six wins, one of which was in the Champions League match against Celtic. although in this match Madrid did not play Karim Benzema but Madrid was able to conquer Mallorca with a landslide score. next, Madrid will host Leipzig in the Champions League match although it is not a too heavy opponent but it looks like Madrid will not relax the game in the match later.

What concerns us is the game next week, against Atletico Madrid. and not an easy one for Ancelotti's squad, Diego Simeone's squad are slowly starting to get into shape. This match is a formidable opponent for Real Madrid because ATM will provide quite a fierce resistance in the match later.


Yes, you are right, what seems to be true is that Ancelotti has a very good strategy to be able to be in the games successfully, however in the UCL and in the League I think that Madrid can finish with a very good position, and be careful if I don't know if he has the orejona again, for now the League is dominating it, Barcelona already has a very good team and apparently they have good confidence in their coach and that is something that is very important, the players are getting along and they have enough to prove

I think that the UCL is the perfect opportunity for Real Madrid to be the main monarch and show that they are the best, they already did it, but now if they achieve everything against the best clubs in Europe, nobody will be able to say more.

Next month, Barca will face Madrid in El Clasico, but what is worried is the health of the players who are currently playing for their respective countries. the news that was heard was that he was seriously injured while playing for his country, hopefully it won't affect his performance in the el clasico later.
Which players are injured from Barcelona squad? I didn't hear any issue related to injury players from Barcelona squad. I think you are too worried about the matches of the players' respective countries. I am sure that Xavi already tells the players to keep their fitness considering the upcoming EL Classico. Lewandowski, Raphinha, and Dembele look in a good condition to play in the upcoming El Classico. But Real Madrid really has a problem with Benzema, he seems still gets injured.


I don't carelessly post here, I read news about injured Barca players here;
https://www.malaymail.com/news/sports/2022/09/23/barca-duo-kounde-and-depay-suffer-injuries-in-nations-league/29780

in this article what is called the "FIFA virus". and we know that kounde has become one of barca's mainstays in the back line, he is a defender that xavi really needs in the el Clasico match later.



This is one of the things that sometimes worries a lot about the players who are in the big clubs, it is a pity that it is difficult for that player to play in his national team, for me these things like how they are handled in PSG, many fans began to criticize the PSG coach when he began to take Messi out to rest as a substitute, then they also began to take out Ney, and in a press conference the mime said that he was taking them out because he also thought that they are a fundamental piece of his countries and that their countries need it, that they should understand that, and that they should not harshly criticize it for it. Regarding this, I start to think and I think that Ten Hag has done great favors to CR7 by not putting him on occasions to play for punishment, that punishment may be a blessing.

Why do you think that, have you forgotten that there are better players in other teams than Lewandowski at Barcelona? What do you think about Haaland, Kevin De Bruyne and some of the other players in the Premier League, do you believe they don't have good chances?

Lewandowski's target is to be the top scorer, that's much more realistic to be true than the Ballon D'or. Lewandowski is currently the top scorer in Laliga, so if he consistently scores goals then he can win it this season.
Haaland or De Bruyne has a chance to win Ballon D'or if Man City wins both EPL title and UCL title. It is also the same as Lewandowski, I doubt he will win Ballon D'or if Barcelona can't win any title this season. In my opinion, Ballon D'or isn't only determined by the goal numbers or assist numbers of a player but the success of his team will be also considered. So, which player who probably wins Ballon D'or, will be determined by which team to be the most successful this season.

Of course the Ballon D'or does not only look at the individual performance of the player, but also the appearance of the club and also the player's
country into consideration. If we look at the candidates for the Ballon D'or there are a few names that catch my eye, I have no doubts about
the quality of Haaland, De Bruyne and also Lewandowski. But I think there is one more player who deserves the Ballon D'or, the player is
Karim Benzema, unfortunately in the last few games he could not strengthen Real Madrid because he was still injured. But if Benzema recovers
from injury and can put in a great performance like the previous season, I believe Benzema is the strongest candidate to win the Ballon D'or,
especially since Real Madrid's performances this season have been very consistent.


Well, I wouldn't trust much with FIFA's decisions with the Ballon d'Or, how many times by FIFA's preference did they give the Ballon d'Or to Messi and not to the others who most deserved it? If they are consistent in what they proclaim, the Ballon d'Or should go to Benzema even if he is + injured, he is the League champion, he is the UCL champion, what else can he expect? With all this, it is reason enough for them to give him the Ballon d'Or, now it would be too much to dismiss it if they gave it to someone else, because if that is the case, let's just remember the time that Lewa deserved the Ballon d'Or and they gave it to Messi, because there if FIFA was noticed the total bias.



Well here this article is good to remember all this and take a walk through the history of the current ballon d'or:

Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern? Which club do you join if you want to win the Ballon d'Or?



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The 34-year-old -- who did win back-to-back men's FIFA The Best awards in 2020 and 2021, while also picking up the 2021 Striker of the Year award at the Ballon d'Or ceremony -- signed for Barcelona for €45 million this summer and has said that his decision was at least partially influenced by a calculated plot to improve his chances of finally getting his hands on the Ballon d'Or itself.

"I know that Barcelona is the team where the most players have won it. I think the path is shorter from Barca than from Bayern," the Polish poacher told Marca.

Source: https://www.espn.com/soccer/blog-the-toe-poke/story/4751875/barcelonareal-madridbayern-which-club-do-you-join-if-you-want-to-win-the-ballon-dor

This is going to be very interesting, will it be Benzema or Lewa? these things are getting very interesting.


Lewandowski has more attraction than Messi right now.
Messi time is gone even if he is playing good since attention on Ligue 1 is less than La Liga. Nevertheless, winning CL with PSG while performing great could let him get a chance to grab Ballon d'Or again. World Cup is the other opportunity but harder to achieve. Getting these two will grant the gold Wink

The problem is can he do something like that? The Champions League matches its current name, and is filled by every club that is indeed the best in their respective leagues.
Putting everything else aside, the EPL and La Liga teams currently dominate quite a bit in the Champions League and even though PSG is a big team and there are a lot of star players there, the Champions League is not that simple to win.
It is not that he is better than Messi, that he is in a team that is giving all the possible support, it is something else, it is taken into account that here any player can be the best with the help of his team, but Benzema due to the recent injury It does not mean that it is painted on the wall, for many the name of Lewa shines a lot because they are fans of Barcelona, but I think that Lewa still lacks many merits, it would be good to wait.
7534  Economy / Gambling / Re: Poker tournaments why tournaments in other games on: September 23, 2022, 07:07:55 PM
Professional poker players are more dedicated and well-focused on the game or should we say that they have an advantage when it comes to experience. Anyone could play poker but not anyone could be professional in it. It needs a further understanding of how to deal with the risks of this game and having a sense of responsibility at the same time. People prefer poker over other gambling games because its risk is more manageable than others.  
When they want to learn to be a professional poker player, they must spend more time learning various poker lessons and how to control themselves. Becoming a professional poker player means that they can also earn money from the game while continuing to learn. It is not easy because they should prepare many things before becoming a professional poker player, especially the time that must be spent to become a professional. But all gambling games have risks and the size of these risks varies depending on several things.

I think that they do get over the psicological aspects very early or else they simply have to abandon. Most professionals take the game level to a point that is pure mathematics. In the same interview, she explained that during the game she just thinks of the money on the table as "firing power" or "fuel left" to be burned and decissions are purely intelectual.

Yes, that is the most correct and I think that this is the only way to see poker as one of the games that can be compared to chess, because it has a lot to do with its calculation, seeing poker in this way I think it is much deeper where emotions are left aside and it gives you that tranquility and peace of mind when playing, something very similar to when playing chess, the player does not think if he will win or lose, he only calculates each move and studies at least what he can do it in 3, 4, 5 or if I could see more moves, it's much better, I think that level of understanding refers, but to get there I think you need a lot of knowledge and experience.

A skilled poker player tends to win in the long run. There are only a few exceptions:

1) That he moves up levels and ends up playing at a level where he has no edge. Therefore, assuming he manages his bankroll well, he has to go down a level.
2) He is going through a bad psychological moment in his life, which leads to alcohol or drug consumption and that affects his gambling.
3) In the case of big tournaments played live, the variance can last for months or years without significant results. Thus there have been a few players who quit the modality or poker altogether.

But a winning NL100 SH player, settled at the level for years and who wins at 6bb/100h, and hasn't dabbled in alcohol or drugs is always going to win in the long run.
You are thinking of a professional poker player, but not all poker players are professional, so the one that wins on the long run is a guy like Phil Helmut or Daniel Negreanu or Phil Ivey. Of course, those people will always end up earning some money when they get in, hell they are offered entry fee by others, just to share the winning pot if they win, meaning they may not even have to pay for anything anymore, they either win something or win nothing but not even lose anything.

So, if I start gambling poker, I would be terrible at it, and would lose in the long run, but those famous poker players would win, there is a big big difference.
What you say is very interesting and it makes a lot of sense when we play poker in a tournament that is online, that is like an all against all, we do not know who we are playing against, if they are professional or not, but there is something that must be taken into account that we can be novices and we can face a poker professional who lives from poker, then this is something that is both fair and undeserved, just because we are all in ideal conditions, and it is not deserved when it is up to a player to face a professional because obviously the professional would win, although in cards and poker much depends on luck.
7535  Economy / Gambling / Re: What is a game you would like to see in an online crypto casino? on: September 23, 2022, 06:32:32 PM
It seems to me that I may be wrong, but fairly simple games with not intricate rules attract the bulk of gamblers, really complex games should be considered from the point of view of the interest of professional players.

-  It is really better to play a game that is simple but you can earn a lot, as long as you have self-control and don't be greedy for money.

Now, if there's anything I want to see in casino games, maybe it's the color games, a game where you guess what color will come out and then you bet your money on the color you want, and what's even better here is that there are with players who will also bet on the color they want and they can also bet on the color you chose but you will be paid in cryptocurrency.
The truth is I don't know how they can program that I hardly understand what you explain how the game wants to be, but I like the concept that it is easy and fast, something like that if they can give good results and it can be pleasant for a casino, every casino looks for it a game that is quick to play and that gives results at once, we as players are always looking for games that give us more fun and that we can play for a long time, I don't know if they can be games more focused on adventures or something like that, maybe yes it is what some are looking for, but others are not, others are looking for just the best to make money fast, the concept of tossing a coin and that it is heads or tails is a very good thing.

It also seems to me a good option if the casino devs try to make the design and style of some games the same as it was in 1990-2000. There are a lot of people who were kids or teenagers in that period 20-30 years ago and played Mario or Worm Jim.
This design will clearly revive the nostalgia for childhood, when a person was cheerful and carefree. And this will affect the overall atmosphere of the game.
I understand that many people might like it and attract new players.
So many games that would be interesting to play if those of our childish games that we played during a tender age would be on a casino. Casinos should try and look for new games that will be more interesting for gamblers to play on without having to play same old games over and over again. I think gamblers need to be seeing new games on casinos often that will make user's experience to be concrete and fun. Just imagine playing same old games many times which will not make us explore more of good and amazing features that could be found on a casino.
I still mean not an exact copy of these old games that players used to play on a computer or on an old game console.  I mean, of course, it is worth thinking about new versions of different games that meet the capabilities of modern online games, but at the same time at least partially use the design and elements from old games.  I think a lot of people and players, those who are older, might like it.  And, accordingly, it would contribute to creating a good mood when playing.
 I think developers of new games should think about it.

Well, the truth is that I would like them to be able to implement some games that are implkm computers, put them in casinos, I don't know, it's just an idea, what happens is that I don't know how feasible it is at the time of the devs to do it , because as I have said in previous comments, casinos are interested in fast games where it is said whether the player won or not and that the transaction is fast, when they are adventure games or something like that, things change, because we will have options different to choose from, if we focus on what a casino should have games focused on strategy that are very long, I think this would attract other types of players, I don't know how profitable something like this is.
7536  Economy / Gambling / Re: The History Of Gambling. on: September 23, 2022, 05:34:10 PM

We have a luck as long as we are still alive. It can come out sometimes like in gambling and we can win something but luck doesn't last long so we must learn how to quit before it ends.
I think you are missing something by saying, "We have luck as long as we are still alive," but you are right that it does not last long. Also, know that luck is just an expression when someone is being lucky, not that anyone possesses it whatsoever. It is just an expression to qualify the narrow escape or opportunity/chance that was visible in an event. In gambling, no reasonable gambler will ever think of luck, though they need it, they should rather think of a working vice and plan.
Talking about when we have to stop before the luck ends will not be easy and will tempt us to continue playing because we think that luck is still on our side so we have to use it to play. But no one knows when the luck will end and when we lose in one round, we still think this is just a coincidence and we will definitely win the next round. But when we lose again, it also doesn't make us stop and instead continues to play, making us lose the winning money we got earlier.
Yes, you are right, sometimes when we are in a casino and we have losses in a row, at least I stop playing and do not go anymore, because I know that I am in a very bad streak, for me it is enough when I lose the money that I have allocated to lose, however I have seen that in some cases players insist and manage to recover an oppo and then they recover everything and even with very good profits and this instead of giving up and leaving with good money, what they do is continue betting because they believe they are invincible, and that nothing can defeat them, that is when the strongest blow comes and they lose everything, I think that these cases are very common in every casino.

I think that in the last 20-30 years in the history of gambling there have been quite strong changes that have significantly affected the very history of the development of these games.  The fact is that before the era of online games, rivals were almost always physically in close proximity to each other.  They could even quarrel and even fight if they saw the opponent's fraud.  All these features added an element of risk and excitement to the game.  But in online gambling, this is no longer the case.  And no one will give you a face if you suddenly began to cheat.  This is also why online scams are rampant.  
And thus, as it were, a new page was opened in the history of the development of gambling.
It's all because of the rapid development of technology so that the game can also develop and become something we have used until now. Maybe later in the future, when technology is more advanced, the form of gambling, whether offline or online, will be different.

And that's why the gambling or gaming competition is fierce because they want to attract more people to join and play together. This is an advantage for the game industry so it can become even bigger because the younger generation is also involved and playing.
In the nearest future gambling will take another shape especially online. 20 to 30 years is too far to count from. If you check from 10yrs ago, you will notice that gambling has changed. Before 2010, there is nothing like cryptocurrency gambling, or gambling with cryptocurrency, but today we gamble with different cryptocurrencies and even some gambling companies has their own tokens that they gamble with. This is a change in the gambling industry and recorded in history.
That is true because, with the support of advanced technology, the form of gambling will change even in the next 10 or 20 years. And nowadays, gambling has grown tremendously along with the existing technology so that people can choose to gamble at fiat casinos or crypto casinos. This gives many options for people to explore what a crypto casino is and maybe they will like it more. Changes like today will continue and will add to the long history of gambling.
We might think that gambling nowadays is too different from gambling that we had before because of the impact of the developing technology, but let's expect that more could re. We have emerged from physical to online casinos there will surely be more changes that could happen because more casino owners and developers want to focus on improving and finding ways to attract more players since the competition these days is too high. As technology develops, gambling is also taking higher steps towards more innovations.


It is very true, this has a lot to do with what you say, the development of technology has innovated a lot in the casino industry, if we do not start to see, there is still a long way to go, we have not seen anything that is missing, as I have said in similar threads, when everything related to metaverses is done well this will be on another level, casino games will be much more real, nothing else in video poker games looks very real, then when an experience with the metaverses will be something much more sensational. We all always expect innovative games, and for those of us who like slots, I hope it's something much fresher and with more emotions, of course that's what I hope...

7537  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bit555 - Crypto Casino! Find More Unique Games! on: September 23, 2022, 04:42:55 PM
the casino is a scam, people should definitely not use this casino scam
So far there is only one valid tag accepted by the OP for his service or platform. It might be better if more people tag it if it is proven that this platform is a scam, it will help a lot of people to know that this site should be avoided. Perhaps the flag is also worth it if the accusations are really valid.

Whatever the gambling site, I think the gambler should take responsibility for himself. Scams are not moderated on this forum, so a user's valid tag will probably be the reason that helps gamblers choose a legitimate site.
^ I think it is already a red flag when a gambling casino copies the user interface of other casinos which is very suspicious on that side.
The forum negative tag and the flag will really help those new members here in the forum because it is visible to them and they will see that there is a warning. That is right, this forum is not scam moderated so I hope there is no one of their victims soon as I think if everyone is aware.
However, for alternative gambling casinos, there are too many of these sections you will find active ANN threads in a reliable gambling casino.
Well, this means that it is an alert and for me I usually put it as a maximum, I have seen that people here rarely get confused with making some feedback on reputation, when it comes to putting it in context I like to analyze the site, but I think which is not very good when the interface of another casino is copied, this is something that does not look very good and it is also not very ethical, I know that many people can set up a casino, pay for the domain and can echo it to take advantage of the good faith of the players, this is something that is used a lot to steal, and already with that negative feedback, at least for me it is enough to get away.
7538  Economy / Gambling / Re: Casino Game on: September 23, 2022, 04:23:27 PM
Casinos are a place for people who want to gamble, and nowadays, many online casinos attract gamblers. Now there are crypto casinos that are increasingly popular among gamblers. I suggest you not visit gambling sites too often because it can attract your curiosity to feel like playing gambling. If you don't have good control, you will face the addiction problem afflicts many people. Having self-control is what you must have before you decide to play gambling.

You have just said my mind, I appreciate your information. I almost fall them, there was a I was searching for information online and an ads (msport)  pop up and said I would win $50 as a first deposit sign up bonus. What I needed was just to send them my cell phone number for the registration. And I did it. But I did not deposit and this company now is sending me messages everyday. One thing I discovered from this gambling sites, they lure people through free or first deposit bonuses to attract people. If care is not taking, from the way they present they bait on the ads, people will definitely fall for them. And what I will also say to those who always fall for the traps of these casinos should use their spare money to play the games so if they lose out, it will not pain them.

What you're saying mate, gambling platforms are not new to me. Almost most crypto gambling sites use this marketing strategy to attract gambling enthusiasts online.

The only thing that is surprising about your story is that after you created an account, why did they still ask for your cellphone number? Also, your deposit on their platform is sure to have a minimum amount, you didn't even mention how much money you have to deposit on their platform.

But what they say is a 50$ bonus when you sign-up is true, it's a trap, there are tasks or you must do something that will favor them before they give it, their trick is a bit tricky but in the end, the bonus they give to the newbie is also from the pocket money of the newbie.

It is not very good when they offer big things for nothing, usually things end badly, it is a good marketing case, because it attracts many players with high hopes of winning, however I have seen sites that offer things like this they end up being scams, although I am not saying that it is like that all the time, they may be doing tests, but when it comes to free money, or having a bonus without any deposit and wagering requirements, it is very difficult for it to be true , I prefer to believe in the casinos that do contests and there are winners because of what they prove their luck, whether on social networks or something like that.

_after losing $20 you suddenly want to win it back, you should know you are stepping on the wrong road.

That is the gambling spirit. I don't really know why the thing is like that. When you loss money there is another spirit would come tell you to play back and win the lost plus extra amount. ~

I know what you mean. This very spirit keeps visiting me from time to time Smiley , and it's so hard to say no, I know. It's so hard to banish that spirit, but that's what we, gamblers, should be doing to avoid painful consequences of following it.

~ if you gamble for gain then that is where you would always enter problem.

Not always, but there's a high probability of that. When we say "always" some people may argue that it's a fact that there are many cases of successful gambling by those who wanted to win a huge amount of money. And that's true. In the history of Powerball alone, 393 tickets have won jackpots, many millions of USD each. Also, it's true that people win millions of USD on online slots, but if we think we can be one of them just through being persistent, it only means we can't calculate probabilities properly.
It all depends on the character of the person. And also from his mental abilities. If a person is good at mathematics and knows something about probability theory, then he will certainly understand that the probability of winning in the long run is always much less than the probability of losing. But still, some people believe in their luck, in their good karma and play risky.
And of course he loses as a result. But sometimes it's not a disaster, but just a life experience and a great lesson for the future. Smiley

What you say is very real, and has a lot of logic, but it is understandable if and only if when you realize that the gains are in the long term, they are not immediate, this reminds me when I went with a friend to a casino near the university, and we took care of some details in the roulette, I learned some more color patterns, with 0 and 00, he learned the odd patterns, with that information we only shared the info right there, sometimes we won, but other times we lost because everything changed, there would come a time when no pattern was repeated, it was somewhat difficult to win when that happened, oh and very important we only played when there were many people playing roulette.

~ It all depends on the character of the person. And also from his mental abilities. If a person is good at mathematics and knows something about probability theory, then he will certainly understand that the probability of winning in the long run is always much less than the probability of losing. But still, some people believe in their luck, in their good karma and play risky.

You know, that's not the worst thing that can happen here. I mean believing in "their luck, their good karma" and stuff. I personally wouldn't recommend this kind of thinking for gamblers, but that's not the worst that can happen to them. The most terrible thing is to think that you've figured it out, you know exactly how to win, all calculations done, you just need a larger bankroll for that.



Your opinion is very correct, I know that there are many people who do certain mantras in order to win, it is something that goes by the beliefs of each person, if there are people who believe that they do well doing something like that, then it seems good to me, but of course, it is not good to pay total attention to something like that, it has been something extrasensory that in fact, I know that there are many things, the energies and all that, but it is not everything, etnnoces is already something that is not to be trusted or trusted only That, I have friends who raffle cars, houses, and go to the so-called "wizards" to do jobs for them so that the numbers don't fall and they keep the prizes, so that's something that doesn't matter to me much sense, if it were so, a sorcerer would be rich and millionaire.
7539  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🎲BetFury.io|Trade & Share 270 000 BFG|🚀Stake & Earn $BFG on BabySwap on: September 23, 2022, 02:00:21 PM
I don't think the Betfury team checks each user manually. Betfury probably has a special algorithm that analyzes the behavior on the site, cookies, and user IP addresses. It seems to me this should be enough to successfully detect abusers using multiple accounts. In addition, the rules of the Funfury competition indicate that if Betfury detects multi-accounting abuse, they can seize the winnings from the abuser's balance.
You're right, I believe every casino has a special algorithm to prevent multi-accounts and filter every IP or cookie that is the same to make it easier to identify suspicious accounts, if abuse is found it will violate the TOS about multi accounts so that the account can be suspended. I'm sure the team has been monitoring in real time to prevent multi accounts on the new user registration path because usually to get welcome bonuses or other certain promos for new users.

If you mean FunFury Competition they won't have too much control because the prize is $150 for all winners they will take it as a traffic bonus
It would just be a waste of time provide a team to watch over it while they have real players who need more help and service
I myself haven't participated in the promotion for a long time because bored and never win even top 10 never Cheesy

Well, I couldn't believe that they do the verification manually, because I'm the first one who would leave knowing that they do something like this manually, for me I have many bad experiences when things are done manually, and even more so when it comes to of withdrawals, for me it is the worst, because in general the casinos tend to be of very strange origin and I do not like how they do it, the few casinos that I have had the opportunity to experience something like that, things went wrong and some fell and They were classified as a scam, this is something that, as far as I am concerned, I see it as my first rule of never entering sites like this, so I say that Betfuiry does not have that style.

When someone is completely addicted to gambling and when gambling completely consumes someone, his mindset is that he always thinks that gambling will change his life and gambling will make him a big rich. But something like this never happens, the opposite always happens.  And slowly gambling destroyed every hamblers  life

It's obvious that most gamblers lose more often in the long run due to house edge. However, gambling and any other risky activity will not ruin a life if a gambler is disciplined and follows bankroll management. Unfortunately, there are many inexperienced users who take losses too emotionally and end up losing all their money trying to grab the jackpot.
Most of those who indulge in gambling are not disciplined.  They cannot keep themselves under control . Especially among those who have a strong desire to get rich in a very short time. They are mostly forced to lose all their money . They don't even realize when they will lose their money.
Only here it is worth considering that those players who thoughtlessly bet in a state of excitement lose quite quickly and for many of them this becomes a good lesson for the future. 
But since the following novice players are replacing such insane players, this pipeline of "disillusioned" never interrupts at all. 
But there are also experienced players who can really control their deposit and how much they can spend.  And these players make up the second part of all lovers of gambling.
 But such people are not disappointed in the game, but simply enjoy the game.  And these players, one might say professional ones, are not very upset by losses. Smiley

Well a player or any player never likes to lose, no matter how much he looks for a reason, a loss will always be a loss, when a player is addicted his situation is very difficult, because the symptoms to present are very diverse according to what it is each person, it is known that each person has a reaction to situations of pressure, games, or any event, so it must be taken into account that a player who is addicted, does not like to lose, will always want to win, does not measure consequence with his losses and apart from that he is a person who at the moment of playing puts aside all logic that is important, those are chaotic to take into account.

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The review is good, although it is very brief, there are some things that should be highlighted, such as the case of the tokens that the whole community is always interested in their development, where they are listed, and in everything that has to do with the casino in In general, for me it is a very good casino, if it is very good that they have said what they lack, I would also say that a casino of this level should have a good signature campaign in the forum, here in the forum it is important to appreciate that these casinos that are really good have constant representation, of course it is just a suggestion and many users have suggested it, therefore these things are important, I consider.
7540  Economy / Gambling / Re: Some Crazy Fun Facts About Casinos And Gambling You Might Not Know. on: September 23, 2022, 05:16:35 AM
Reading about the risky adventure of the FEDEX CEO I was pushed to imagine what will have happened fo the global shipping company if the whole money the CEO gambled with was lost.

But thank goodness he made it out and that action have to change the faith of the company for life now FedEx is a global name and all thanks to the CEO who understood the place of risk in every aspect of life and was courageous enough to take the bold step and risking everything
It is not really difficult to imagine what would have happened to the company in the case he had lost, most likely no one would have ever heard of FedEx and instead we will have another company doing the same function, maybe not as efficiently as FedEx does it but we will have a decent replacement, but without a doubt it is way more interesting for the founder of FedEx to have saved his company by playing blackjack, and even if this is obviously something that should not be recommended or encouraged it still makes for a hell of a story.

It's like that, I think that what that player did is something that no one should copy to try to imitate him, at least I don't see him as trustworthy, but he played it and I think he had no choice, it was win or win, otherwise everything was it was going to the trash, but it is as you say, another company would have taken everything that FeDex has earned and they would have taken over the company, for this there are many more things, perhaps a service with another name that would do exactly the same thing, for some they can stay to think that it would have happened, well like the multiverses maybe if they exist, only there they know what happened with that loss, but as far as here things went well.

Totally agree with you mate, gambling should be for fun, but it's rather unfortunate that some people have taken it up as a profession, and it doesn't really make sense if you ask me, I always feel its an act of laziness that makes a man to rely on gambling for daily, weekly or monthly income, without having any major business as a number one source of income and gambling as a side hustle.

The story of the founder of FedEx is a matter of luck, we talk about it today because he took the big risk and got lucky, maybe if he had lost, the company, FedEx will not be in existence today, and we will not even know a man like him exists.
Stories like the one of the FedEx owner are not that rare, what happens is that most of them do not have a happy ending, an owner doing something like that is probably desperate and it is using gambling as their last resort.

And once they begin to bet and the cards are not in their favor they will begin to get desperate and make a few plays which will bankrupt them, so while the success story of FedEx makes for an interesting story we must remember that the majority of those which tried something like that most likely lost everything they had instead.
Yes, it is as you say, many have tried but they do not have the luck to achieve what that company achieved at that time, there is also something that when a person decides to take that risk, is that in case they do, they must take into account that this take the money that you are risking as lost, this so that you do not have illusions that it will multiply, because the blow is usually very hard, that if you lose, keep in mind that it is under your responsibility and that you then have to answer for that money that you risked and he lost, although I think something, with $5k and if he knows how to play, it is difficult for him to lose unless he starts betting like crazy.
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