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7541  Economy / Economics / Re: If you were in desperate need for money.... on: February 14, 2017, 05:36:08 AM
if you really need the money, then the loan is the last way to it. but, to stay away from it, it is better to try to save and invest for the time being, because it will save you from debt. when you're in dire need of money, the savings that you have become the primary choice that you have to use it, and it could save you from borrowing, and risk.

Too bad because people actually see taking a loan is the best and first way to get money. It takes you just an instant, to get a loan using your credit card. It takes an instant as well when you're going to the bank and ask for a loan that's appropriate with your salary range.

People like instant solution to their problems so they take a loan. They can just work for it later. You wouldn't die tomorrow, so you'd probably be able to pay for that loan anyway. The only problem is that getting a loan or having credit solves your problem so quickly that people would start relying on it and use it whenever a problem goes in the way.

They are the people that end up in debt, but never in jail because there's no law about people that have debt. Only problem would be you might end up selling your house or other properties that you actually need just to be able to pay so much debt.
And everything is exactly what happens. All people are dependent on loans, but at the same time allow themselves to using them for a lot more than you did before. Just people aspire to live well and to live now and not later.
Probably they won't resort to taking loan if they have available money in times of desperate need. Though we can prepare for it by saving money for emergency situation in life, we cannot avoid we will need more than what we have saved. That would encourage as to take loans as it is the best way now to produce money, and of course, once you borrow money you have to pay it including the interest and the necessary fees as agreed.
7542  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: February 14, 2017, 05:12:39 AM
I would say trading and exchanges now that i see it not that simple in my previous advice.
Yeah trading because most of coins are scam now a days and exchanges because there is a tremendous competition in market and I wonder if a situation will come when exchange would be done at 1% fees because even 5% is considered as high now days.
Added to this I would like to say that the best source of income for average people right now is this forum itself either by signature camps or by so many giveaways and contests.
Well, it can be considered, we might be earning small income but that will give great results in terms of advertisement to the company we promoted. However, for me it is not something that I have to focus on, I'll consider that as part of my reward for staying in this forum and while earning small amount I can educate myself reading with may posts here that could help me grow as I go along with my journey.
7543  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: February 14, 2017, 03:14:35 AM
In the end the bitcoin price will affect your investments, soo at crypto world bitcoin does rule the most altcoins, even with potencial coins and whales around altcoin world. As  a daily traded any change into bitcoin does affect me directly since mine investments at mining are related to it.
I think the price is not only important in the investment alone. but in all kinds of interest in bitcoin, such as currency, remittance methods and so forth. rate or the price of bitcoin will be very important for the entire bitcoin
Without a price bitcoin has no value, this is not a currency as we think like fiat that has it's own value, the value of bitcoin depends on the support of the people. If the demand is high then the value will increase and that is the price that we are seeing now, whether we like it or not, it will not survive without the recognition of the government as we go more popular the risk is getting bigger.
7544  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you feel shameful for being a gambler? on: February 14, 2017, 02:53:36 AM
That will be a shameful if you turn into gambler addict, you will lose control of yourself, start to borrowing money to people around you, have a lot debt and could be end into jail.

Personally I'm not really often do gamble and since I used bitcoin only for payment people around me don't know my gambling activity.
If people know my gambling activity, I'm not ashamed, because I used it with my money.
WOuld it be okay to tell others?
There should be no problem with telling others, gambling is not a sin or a crime, so there is nothing to hide. People who think that gambling is bad is uneducated with the how the world is changing fast, they only look on the possible negative results of a gambler but they failed to see how much fun it can bring to the gamblers.
7545  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: February 13, 2017, 08:32:03 AM
I would like to vote for trading as trading is the best way from which you can earn using your experience and skill.

Yes trading is a good method to earn and its very easy to start as well. You can always buy some bitcoin and start to trade on bitcoin vs fiat. Keep and eye on the market and then buy at low prices and sell at high prices. All you need is to keep an eye on the market.

Altcoin trading and altcoin mining are good as well. Specially for the early traders who buy at very low prices and then dump them at high prices. Mining is good for those who have low cost electricity.
There are a lot of things we can do to be considered as a our source of income, but for me, the best source is when you work for it. Trading on the other hand is good but you cannot do it with risking your money, hence, without a job you cannot have a capital to trade. Maybe, it is better to work first then afterwards start to trade, that's a good plan to be followed.
7546  Local / Others (Pilipinas) / Re: [helping thread]Tanong mo sagot ko on: February 13, 2017, 05:44:21 AM
hello po mga kababayan pwede ko po bang tanungin kung ano magandang promo ngayon sa globe para tuloy tuloy ang bitcointalk kase ngayon pumupunta pa ako ng computer shop para mag bitcoin eh medyo hassle kaya gusto ko sana sa cellphone na lang para kahit anong oras maka dalaw ako dito sa bitcointalk maraming salamat po

Kung ako sayo wag ka na magcomputer shop o mag data. mag invest ka sa pagpapakabit ng internet. Mag background checking ka lang dyan kung ano internet na gamit ng shop dyan at yun ang ipakabit mo. Kasi sulit naman yan kapag kumikita ka na, saka madalas ang internet sa cellphone pa pataypatay.

agree, mura lang naman magpakabit ng internet at may stable pa kesa sa data or VPN ek ek na yan na madalas pa napuputol ang connection. imagine kung 999 ang plan monthly bale halos 30pesos per day lang at sulit pa yung speed at stability na makukuha mo unlike sa data connection. pag ipunan mo na lang para sulit na sulit ka dito sa forum
That's actually correct, you do not need to hesitate as you will get a good return with your internet connection. You can do jobs online and that will bring your more than Php 1,000 per month. Even small jobs like signature campaign offers a minimum fee of equivalent to that amount and take note, that is on a weekly basis, you are in profit of Php 3,000 per month already if that is the case.
7547  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can trading be considered as gambling?? on: February 13, 2017, 05:11:01 AM
I want to know what you guys think about this, I have stopped gambling but still trade so does this mean I am still gambling?? I don't trade on basis of luck I trade using my skills would it still be considered gambling??

Please tell me what do you think.
No, trading and gambling share some characteristics, like the possibility of losing your money, but in gambling once you pout your bet there is nothing you can do, but in trading you can reduce your losses, or accept some losses with the hope the markets changes direction and put you into the profit zone.

Trading is more easier than gambling if your seek for a source of income. Gambling is only good if you are an expert and you have played a game and able to prove that you can make a living with gambling. This two should be different, trading is not fun but it can give you good income if you do your job educating yourself, while gambling even how much time and effort your spent searching for the technique, it does not guarantee a success.
7548  Economy / Gambling / Re: BITDICE CASINO - CONGRATULATIONS TO WONTON FOR WINNING 300BTC on: February 13, 2017, 04:32:03 AM

Biggest risk with investing is same as with any crypto services, like holding your crypto on exchanges is that they get hacked and you lose your investment.


I dont think it is not good comparison, lose your investment on gambling site because there are many whales win big is not the same with you lose your coins on site that get hacked. When you lose your investment on gambling site, you still have the chance to get what you have lost back plus some profit while you cant get back what you have lost on hacked site.

Therefore you have to put your money in a site that is trusted, the longer they operate that means there internal control is strong and they it will prevent hacking by those hackers. Putting your money in the bankroll of a site will give you dual effect, it will grow your volume while the value of bitcoins is increasing. Do not compare the two actually because gambling is for fun while trading is a serious job.
7549  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: New casino vs old and trusted one on: February 12, 2017, 01:16:07 PM
The new casino has the chance to popular today as long as it can keep the popularity and still have trust, and it takes time. I am sure the new casino attracted by events such as bonuses, cashback, etc. Signature campaign also helps to introduce casino on bitcoin users, so I think it could help.
I can say that new casinos needs to be aggressive enough in advertising and promotions due the big competition in the bitcoin world, they need to gain the trust of the people and that is not easy here.
While for old casinos, they just have to maintain their reputation to continue to please their clients, what makes them successful is their ability to retain their gamblers and to attract new players. Trust is vital for them so they have to protect it all the time.

7550  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Giving up gambling is not easy on: February 11, 2017, 06:52:37 AM
Giving up gambling it is easy if you find something else to do with your life, there are so many things you can do in this world, that are either free or that can give you a net benefit, so don’t think giving up gambling is difficult because if you do that will make giving up gambling even harder.

In short, be positive and have a strong will, that would help you give up gambling easier. if you keep on thinking that you are already an addicted gambler and that is no hope for you to get away with it, then you are burying your self in it. Most importantly, have a job, work in real life and make money, so you don't have no reason anymore to gamble.  Smiley

it will help us to give up from gambling but we should continue to do this otherwise we can comeback in gambling and still playing gambling without stopping the games. i realize that giving up in gambling is not easy and we need to think about this seriously and we need a time before we can really stop from gambling.
It's actually a process and should be done in a continuous way, if you heard of a drug rehabilitation center, their job is to here the drug dependent and a drug addict should stay in the play for a certain period of time. That is how gambling addiction should be treated, depending on how serious it is, if too serious then we have to submit ourselves to the experts and let them help us to change.
7551  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The reason why people do not get Bitcoin. on: February 11, 2017, 06:39:35 AM
One reason why people do not get bitcoin is lack of knowledge..., and they are not interested.... Here in our place most of my friends are interested about btc... We still need to educate people here for btc is not that popular in our place.... Discussions and seminars would be a great start... Hopefully more people involving bitcoin would organize events, seminars discussing about bitcoin, crypto currency, blockchain ect...
I have no doubt that these events could help to increase the knowledge of the bitcoin ecosystem on the world, but this would not ensure that all that informed people would be interested in investing their money in acquiring bitcoins because there are great sectors of population that are not interested in technology. Perhaps the first step would be to inform them about the interesting possibilities that new technologies offers to improve our economy, where bitcoin is only one of the multiple options.
Everyone who are interested with bitcoin can adopt but not necessarily they are investors, only few who have the mentality to invest that is why we see the circulation of bitcoin is increasing. We spend and we hold but what matters is we will encourage more people to spend to create demand which would result to price increase.
If we look at, the user of Bitcoin continues to increase every years,
this means many people who understand and accept this digital currency.
And it can create a bitcoin will be better in the future.
Even now, bitcoin price is high and people is noticing it and getting curious with bitcoin then they start trying to use it. Bitcoin is very promising crytocurrency. Some countries starting to accept it and make bitcoin a legal payment method.
We are back, the price started to rise again and that is good signal to buy. Right now, we are in $1,000 again and I pity those who panic during the price fall back. As if they are not here before, it has happened in the past and the trend will continue. If they will not adopt with bitcoin, they will not get the benefit of investing now, money is easy here if you take bigger risk and you are educated on what you are doing.
7552  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you use analysis when play gambling? on: February 11, 2017, 05:30:20 AM
I've tried using the analysis to gambling sports such as soccer, basketball, boxing and several other types of sports. But I've experienced is just the same. Opportunities won and lost is same, so I've not been interested in using analysis for gambling and rely more on luck.

But some time your predictions will come true when you are betting with sports, but where as with dice, slots etc analysis will not work. Even i tried strategy with sport many time it worked for me. But we should give up because either in many cases we may won through sports whn compared to gambling.
Yeah as mentioned most of the time people involve into sports event gambling only after making a strategy. We cannot be sure that our strategy always wins. The result will be based upon the luck we have, dice is the one that is completely based upon luck.

what you use in sports betting is not called strategy, or at least it is not exactly an strategy. it is more like a lot of information and speculation. because what you do in sports betting is that you check the team and their record and if it was good and you knew the players had edge you bet on them and from this point onward it is all luck.
Remember that we have different strategies in sports betting, it may not look like an strategy to you but in such person's understanding, it is. What matter here is the results, even if we do not study hard the information and data we have, but we achieve a good winning rate, I can conclude what we are doing is right.
7553  Economy / Services / Re: BitDice Casino Signature Campaign [WILL START 1 DECEMBER] on: February 11, 2017, 02:45:23 AM
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7554  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: February 11, 2017, 02:41:04 AM
The price of bitcoin really matter because i have invested my money into it and when ever the price rallies i do have my worries and i would book my profit when ever i can and buy the coin at a later time and so the price is important for those who have invested in it.

The price movement is just normal and you don't have to worry about it. Because the experts and enthusiasts said that the price of bitcoin is going to keep on moving until it come up to all of its supply. And price is really important so when you see price rally downs, just take the advantage and buy a lot of bitcoins that you can afford.
It's not normal for you if you do not know the reason why the price move. I guess everyone especially those who are a holding big volume of bitcoin should be updated with the recent news so they will be fully aware of what is happening. If now, they will do panic selling and the only people will benefit from their loses are the whales who will directly grab a cheap price.
7555  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your new year start in gambling! on: February 10, 2017, 06:42:12 AM
Though i'm not a regular gambler but this year has probably not been a great start for me in terms of gambling because i lost around $100 or more in this year in only one bet and after that i stopped doing that. I actually wanted to get some bucks by putting the multiplier at 1.01 but as it is the game of luck, i lost a bet after a few and given all the capital to the house.
That's very sad for sure, when you are too sure you will get free money but the outcome surprises you. That would only make you realize that no sure thing in gambling even if you choose the higher chance of winning, it's all about the chances and when you are unlucky, you have to pay for the play.

Don't worry mate, we are still in the 2nd month of the year, you might be in a losing situation now, but certainly there's plenty of time to recover.
7556  Economy / Economics / Re: If you were in desperate need for money.... on: February 10, 2017, 05:07:47 AM
If I was starving and desperate from money I'd get off the internet and work more  Wink
When you're a day job working personality you won't get that leisure time to spend on internet to earn more. I personally borrow to compensate the need and after that used to do additional work to pay the interest for the borrowed amount.
We actually get in desperate need of money if we do not prepare for that certain possibilities in life, we need to save for the future but we cannot save if we do not have a good amount of income. The first thing we have to improve is our earning, we have to increase it by doing every opportunity that will generate money, if we are just working, we should not be focus with on job only, let us utilize our time effectively.
7557  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you feel shameful for being a gambler? on: February 10, 2017, 04:31:47 AM
Nothing to be ashamed about as long as you understand the odds of the games and you gamble moderately. It is just for entertainment really.

There is something to be ashamed of, especially when you are gambling others people money and when gambling is already ruining your lives with your good relationship with your friends and relatives. But if you are not that type of gambler and you know how to handle responsibility then yes, there's nothing to be ashamed of.
in fact some addicted people become extremest in gambling, and they do not care for any relation, social values, he just know how find money for gambling. some time he even sell his one mobile set and some time even sell the jewelry of his wife, he even do not care for his children education and but after long time when he loses everything and when ever one start hatting him then he a little realize the realty and then regret but  the it became too late

It is true that there are people who are coming onto that point. And when those gamblers are doing those things, it is a shame for him because he is surely has a major problem when it comes to gambling. He can't quit gambling alone if he has that type of attitude and actually I did that before but I felt ashamed when people knows that I did sold some of my things for gambling.
At least for me I never came to the point that I have to sell something just to do gambling, I can say the addiction is already serious and when you are in that state, you can expect your life is starting to get ruin. It's your fault and not gambling. Gambling here for recreational activities to give us some thrill and enjoyment, if we will not accept it that way, it's either we will quit being a millionaire or lose everything.
7558  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2016/17 NBA Season on: February 10, 2017, 03:30:36 AM
As we saw the latest NBA estimates made, away from NBA. I look as far as I can. Unfortunately, there are writers who are mistaken in every cup without exception.

What? I don't understand what you tried to say. Maybe you should stop using Google translate service.

We're heading to the last week before All-Star weekend. It's not exciting like it used to be. Late 90's and early 2000 All-Star games were great but I didn't really enjoy 10's. Teams are unbalanced, West has great players but strange enough, East teams have more balanced winning rates. Playoff race in East is tougher than West. You can make playoffs with %442 in West but you need %472 in East. On the other hand West has 3 teams that has more wins than Cleveland (East #1).

All-Star game is not physicality at all. A player who have the ball most of the time has a more chance to shoot and will become the All Star MVP if his team wins. Last year was Westbrook and this ball hog guy has a chance to make a repeat this year as he improves a lot compared to last year.

If you want to bet in this game, go with the west, they have a lot of talents compared to the east, but we are not sure if they can hit the point spread.
7559  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin make Banks disappear? on: February 10, 2017, 01:17:37 AM
Maybe yes because bitcoin is increasing rapidly. people are using them and saving their money on wallet. banks are risky due to robbers but we can save bitcoins on our hands

Price alone is not enough to take down banks. We need a bigger reason for bitcoin to make banks disappear. IMO, if bitcoin, has a physical structure/offices which can shoulder and compete with what banks are doing, that's the only time banks might start to close one by one, provided that bitcoin offices is legally permitted to operate like a bank.  Smiley

Exactly, it's quite impossible that bitcoin banks will disappear,  there might some changes in some banks accepting and using bitcoin transactions. But it will not replace the fact that it will always be the same bank that people uses for their money.
It's not bitcoin bank what we are talking here, we are referring to a usual bank that caters fiat deposits. Bitcoin is not yet regulated but we can do banking with it. The fact that we can do banking without a bank, that makes a threat for the legal banks to be replace but that threat is not that big and they do not consider that possibilities.
7560  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2016/17 NBA Season on: February 10, 2017, 01:00:38 AM
Today there are big matches, the westbrook vs lbj would be the most interesting game between the top two take-over players -with it working for lbj and not for wb-

Cleveland will play without LeBron James, Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving.

For some reason they decided to rest everyone and just gave up the game, they will lose by 20+ points
Revenge factor for the Thunder, this is a gift from Vegas, let us take this free money. I like Westbrook to go triple double again this night easily.

Another interesting game will be between the Dallas Mavericks vs Utah Jazz, in this game, I like the Dallas since they have been hot lately and having 2 losing streak is something that would make them work in this game hard. Remember, Jazz played 3 games in 4 nights, they might be tired already.
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