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7561  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Patience and Holding on: October 14, 2017, 04:50:05 PM
There are methods that I apply for patience. A deposit you want is invested in a bitcoin value. Then you can only withdraw the amount you earn. So your principal will not change. And at least you will always profit.

But with this method you loose the deposit over the time as your value is increasing very slow and you will be withdrawing money at faster rates than anything else. I mean if you putting x bitcoin as fixed deposit on which you are earning y profit after specific period then that's perfect. But, you will be withdrawing the y profit which means you will have x-y bitcoin left (not the fiat). Then this will continue until you have 0 btc left if you don't reinvest the principle.  Cheesy
If he do only see on Fiat investment and he do rely on its value then he wont really mind if he lose up bitcoin value as long he do gain money anytime if price would go above on the price that he do set.
Patience and holding would really be a good thing but depending on the situation if you are on long term projection or short term.
7562  Economy / Gambling / Re: Sports Betting Site Question on: October 14, 2017, 03:00:01 PM
Will there ever be a sports betting site that can beat Nitrogen?  I don't know how the rest stays in business because Nitrogen offers the best odds, offers the safest and most secure service and has one of the better selections of sports to bet at.

Tho they could use some prop bets to add some spice.  But still, I'm asking the rest of the BTC bookies, how could you beat Nitrogen?  I mean honestly...
In the disappearance of Directbet most players did actually go to Nitrogensports (this is just my observations) which it did actually boost up their popularity even more.I agree on the thing that they do have the best odds as of now on all the sports betting i have tried out.Main thing here for sites to focus is on promotions and an effective marketing strategy that would really caught up players interest to play on the site.
7563  Economy / Gambling / Re: Why rollin.io closed their service ? on: October 14, 2017, 02:19:01 PM
I'm pretty sure they were making a nice income of 100,000$ / month.  if not more.
why they close ?
Not really for 100,000/month. Remember (sometime casino have a lost).
Why they close? Did you read an information from Rollin.io (BTC casino) is now for sale! ?


Basically, they worried about the high rollers who can eat up their bankroll so they closed the site. I also don't think casino profits are always constant and they will be gaining every month because sometimes if any big whales win then their profits will be minus side. Also, it looks like they failed to sell the site as well because of the high price.


Stop making up bullshit dude ? That's the lamest answer ever.Had you known the actual facts why did the website shut down you could have given a less ignorant answer.Rollin.io is in the game since a long time and they definitely didn't shut because automatically everyone started winning big.

No idea why but guess it is due to maintaining the site vs making profit. Such a shame, easily one of the best gambling site out there.
Could be.They did the business fairly and easily is as good as very few gambling sites in the market which value their players.
They stated in their selling thread*, that they have other (more profitable I assume?) projects going on, and they can't afford to risk their bankroll to highroller bets anymore, hence they are shutting down or selling the site, and focusing on the other more profitable projects.

*https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2115806.msg21156790#msg21156790
I have read in the past on a thread that they are actually selling out their site.I didnt further read on whats the reason but im sure they didnt say the actual thing. Gambling site earnings isnt really constant just like been said above we wont know if they are still gaining profits or they are already on negatives.They are here quiet long time which they are definitely one of the reputable sites.Whatever the reason is then let it be.
7564  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Regulated Cryptocurrency Betting Just Got a Big Boost in Europe on: October 13, 2017, 02:40:38 AM
Pretty exciting news! Bitcoins are indeed the money of the future, and even these European countries are now realizing it. The government itself has allowed for such a platform to exist and gave license for it to operate under such circumstance. I think the world is slowly accepting the existence of cryptocurrency and soon we would likely be able to see a mass adoption to cryptocurrency.

European gambling industry knows that there are tons of money to make in the bitcoin gambling industry. They want to take a small portion out of it. They don't want Americans to have the monopoly of bitcoin gambling industry. Well its still a big boost to bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, so considered this a welcoming news.

Regulated is not the word I like when I want to gamble, regulated betting seems like not a good idea,I like when bitcoin is under the radar from government, if I wantbthe regulated gambling I will just used fiat, but this will be a good news for bitcoin, more places to spend bitcoin, bitcoin will become more useful and valuable
yes we need more merchants in that kind field , it is a good business with huge money circulation , once bitcoin developed more serious i think it will become a big jump for the value and popularity , in the end bitcoin adoption will become mainstream.

a lot of people from any society level come to buy and use bitcoin easily and especially for the sake having fun play some games and put some money.

This could be another step closer for bitcoin to become mainstream. EU has been quiet regarding bitcoin adoption, though there are few who are bitcoin friendly but most of them are against bitcoin. It this "regulation" will put into place, EU will bitcoin gamblers will soon rise up in numbers, as we all know there as a lot of high rollers from that region, opening the door for bitcoin closer to global adoption.
IN short gambling industry would really be more on success and booming because of such step. We know EU is influential and once they would start up such adoption i know some countries would really follow for sure but not all because not all of them do really like bitcoin.I agree on what you have said on the part that there are lots of high rollers from that region which means if they saw its being regulated then doubts on using bitcoin would be removed for sure.
7565  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots Strategies? on: October 13, 2017, 02:14:21 AM
I don't think there is slot strategies available out there. I mean, if there is something like that, wouldn't it be used by almost all of us to empty all the casinos that's existing today?  Grin But seriously speaking, yeah, there's none. It is basically a luck-based game and will not guarantee you consistent profit over time. You should treat this as a recreational activity wherein you'll play this for fun and excitement. Oh, and always expect that you'll gonna lose.  Cool
If thars the case then there would be no casino sites at all that do have slot games and all of us gamblers will surely be rich on hitting easily on those fruits or patterns but we do know this thing is only possible on our dreams since it doesnt really exist on reality and this game is really just designed for pure entertainment.
7566  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is the best way to quit gambling and start trading?? on: October 12, 2017, 09:25:05 PM
As most of the gamblers think gambling is the easy way to multiply their money in short amount of time. But inside they all know that trading is the safest way to make profit but sometimes it takes some time. But still they all are gambling and making/loosing money.

So what's your reason to quit gambling and start trading?
This is actually a real situation on most gambler which they are already aware that trading is really much better to earn money specially on longer runs but the thing that blocks them or having doubts is that the results are too long which they would find it boring specially to those people who do love to see instant or fast profits which they can find it on gambling this is why they end up on playing gambling in the end. Stopping and quitting? It would be impossible as long that gambler wont really have the eagerness to quit and switch into trading.
7567  Economy / Economics / Re: it is possible fiat currency will crashed? on: October 12, 2017, 08:32:46 PM
Speaking of the fact that in this world nothing is impossible.
If so, the world government will find a new currency and not rule out bitcoin as its successor. But i do not think that's possible, because fiat is stronger than crypto currency.
fiat is controlled by the government in a country, has a fixed value and quality and the position of its value is assured.
 
Anything backed by the government would remain still and strong.Crash could possibly happen but not today or even tomorrow and same as you said they wont really let this thing to happen.I cant see that cryptocurrency would play a big role on future years when it comes on financial state on every country.It may progress but only into its particular field which they wont really collide with local fiat.
7568  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why trading is better than gambling? on: October 12, 2017, 08:02:09 PM
Gambling was well expalined with an practical example.In gambling you can make hige profits but in trading the profit percentage is less.But the loss percentage in gambling is very very high when compared to trading.So if you have excess amount of money then you can go for gambling but if you depends on your capital then you must conectarte on reading.happy trading.

Alot of people choose gambling because it is easier. It is not easy to trade but it is easy to gamble. I choose to trade because if I want to make money then trading is much better. I have suffered alot from gambling and lose alot of money that is why I could come into this kind of decision but some people wont choose trading unless they have suffer like me
There are still people who do choose trading even they dont suffer which these people do already see the risk on playing gambling thats why they decide on such thing.It is really normal to think off that trading is an investment and would potentially give you earning opportunities that would last a lifetime once youve learned it unlike on gambling which totally depends on luck.
7569  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is it a sin to gamble? on: October 12, 2017, 07:39:00 PM
It is depend on the people believe. For me as christian, is sin.
For some people gamble is fun for them. can play together with their friends.

Relating it to religious beliefs most of them are treating gambling as a sin. And for the atheist ones it is not that really a sin but it is a form of entertainment where you can have some time to win. There are rich people that are treating gambling just a form of game and they just want to spend their cash for it. But for some people that are in need of money they are treating bitcoin as a source of income that leads to greediness and others thinks it as a sin.
As a matter of fact, it really depends on the faith of a person whether gambling is a sin or not but according to my definition of sin, gambling comes under it. Anything that can harm a person or cause suffering to any living being is an evil deed. Gambling is nothing different from it so as an activity, it is not the right one but still, it won't change the minds of anyone what we call it.
Gambling isnt really a sin at all but when the times you are already being involved on bad intentions or emotions like greed then thats the time it can be considered as sin and also if you do already commit bad doings because of it.This is why as a gambler or people who do play gambling we should really be responsible on his actions.
7570  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Android app for trading on: October 12, 2017, 06:57:46 PM
Hi,

which Android app would you recommend for trading cryptos and why?

Thanks.
Most of the trading platform also have mobiel version which is really smooth to use with your mobile browser why you want app for trading. I haven't seen any apps for trading platform yet.

Blockfolio the best for me and easy to use
Its crypto portfolio management app and not app for trading crypto.
For now i havent tried on crpyto trading site which do have an APP since i do mostly trade on Desktop and also i have tried forex trading which they do have mobile version which you can actually trade with the use of mobile i dont know if this is applicable or available on crpyto exchanges too.I havent checked it yet.
7571  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: BiggBoss let's Bet with the Boss on: October 11, 2017, 03:06:51 PM
Always good to see more tipsters here, I agree with your pick btw & good luck in the future. You need to have a high win ratio at the start of your thread to be respected Smiley

I don't understand what is the advantage of having many tipster thread on the forum, They are all posting prediction but their thread is scattered, Maybe it is better to create a general thread for tipster so that we can see all suggested bets in only one thread and also it is easy to compare all the prediction of different person and choose the most efficient one. Just my thoughts to properly organize the gambling discussion thread.
Anyone could give their tips into particular games and i agree on what you are proposing here which there should be a specific thread for solely on tipsters so that we wont see scattered threads on people giving their tips.Its not actually an advantage since people do have the free will to follow someones betting choices.
7572  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling Excuses on: October 11, 2017, 02:30:26 PM
Gambling with other's money is suicide as you will feel a lot more pressure than you normally does. This does not increase your chance of winning games. In fact, you will lose more than you win as you have the need to bet more frequently or on games that you are not confident. You will not know how to answer to the person if you lose a percentage of the money. I would bet with my own money which is fine if I lose my capital.
definitely right. how can you focus on your game if you are thinking of anything else. In the end it will ended up losing everything because if the luck is within in you on the first, second and so on round of the game the tendency is you want to double your money since the one you gamble was not yours. Until it is all gone.
In my part it would really give me some pressure on using those money which arent ours specially we know that those funds are totally borrowed to someone and should really be paid on due time.
This is why this kind of decision or options on playing gambling is not advisable because you are the only one whose digging into your own grave.
7573  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin to hit the $30.000 mark before 2020 on: October 11, 2017, 02:01:56 PM
One of the user has quoted that the price $30000 is something too much. I never have such a thinking, because on adoption from a single country the price grew as high as $5000. So when more countries make active use of bitcoin, even without legalized manner surely support in the growth and the same might cause the price move higher.
It is somehow exaggerated to speculate such thing because 30k usd price per bitcoin is too much because adoption wont really be too much on 3 years time as of now. We even hardly surpass or break 5k price on 8 years time on bitcoin and presuming on 6x more on its price for the span of 3 years would really be hard for sure.
7574  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How did you started to gamble? What was your beginning like? on: October 11, 2017, 01:38:20 PM
I always staked the lottery but never won, then i decided to do sports gambling because most of my friends were into it and they were actually winning so i decided to get involved as well. In my first bet i placed a small amount and made some good money and that got me hooked up very well. Since then its been a series of losses with some wins in between them.
Since people around me love to watching sports they mostly start to gamble on sportsbetting.
And i think people anywhere favorited to gamble on sports , after that you will know another games such as card games poker etc.
At first time you might always feel so lucky , win the game here and there.
If we do win on our earliest days on playing gambling it would really make us feel that we are lucky but those are just normal chances but later on you would really got frustrated because you will break your expectations on making money.As a gambler you would eventually discover gradually new games on the field but well this would really still vary on your interest either on casino games or sports betting or card games.
7575  Economy / Gambling / Re: Top PROVABLY FAIR Casinos on: October 11, 2017, 01:03:16 PM
Stake.com - I might be a little bias though haha.
Is it true that stake.com is included in it? so far I'm still not sure and I also rarely playing (betting) too in it because still make not yet sure whether the site is really including a provably fair gambling site or no.
Theres no doubt on the fairness of stake.com and as being said above this is just like a sister or brother of primedice so theres no question about on its fairness and you can check out dude above me on how you gonna verify the fairness of the site ^^
7576  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do you care? on: October 10, 2017, 04:39:34 PM
We cannot blame the casino, Casino is made so that people can have fun while risking their money trying to win. Not all gamblers are losing in Casino some of them are winning why? because they know when to call stop unlike most of the gamblers they continue to play even if they are winning until they lose and after that they will call the casino a scam. 
Casinos are not made for the sake of people. It is a business and the owners only want to earn money this business demands entertaining its customers. That is why casinos offer a lot of joyful games and ladies. This way they can keep the players for long. The gamblers that win are very few and the winnings are not very huge ones always but the only way to have a profit is to not gamble again.
Casinos are indeed a business, it was developed to cater to people that itch to gamble. It nevertheless attract a lof of people that think they can profit from casinos games and they would always be a winner, thinking that casinos are just some kind of magic ATM that when they deposit money afterwards they will pull out thousands of dollars out of it.
Not correct at all,  it's just the wrong thinking, in fact the casino is created for people who are looking for fun. you do not believe ??
as an example: we think that casinos deliberately give a limit of bets to maintain balance but we always say that no gambler can win, well, if the casino knows about this. why they give maximum limit of bets if they know will win.
Limitations on bets would only be seen on those gambling site who are just starting or do have only a small bankroll but we do know on most reputable casinos as of now doesnt really set any limit which means they are confidently enough that they would really win on longer runs which we should really be aware anytime we do play gambling.
7577  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does bitcoin's price volatility affect your gambling habits? on: October 10, 2017, 04:12:28 PM
For me it does not effects my gambling habits. When I gamble the base bet always depend on the total balance . As I always prefer to play with less total balance my bb is about 100 sat always.
For me the ever increasing price of bitcoin is a problem as i have not a ton of coins when it was easy to acquire and so every time i plan to gamble i have spend my money to purchase the coins and that is not always looking promising since it is really hard to make enough profit while i used to have in the past,the leverage is certainly restricted.

If you find out that it is hard then why you are still continuing to do such thing? You are just wasting of your bitcoin and at the same time you are wasting up your local fiat money. Bitcoins price volatility would not really be a major problem on playing gambling as long we are basing always on the equivalent or value of fiat but thinking off on piling all the loses you made on playing gambling on bitcoin form would really make you regret.
7578  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is bitcoin associated to the underworld? on: October 10, 2017, 02:49:50 PM
Basically , as the ideas have been coming as to the reasons the bad guys would prefer bitcoin is borne out of the positive features of the currency. It is highly secured and thus, not traceable once transaction is completed and this makes it a safe heaven for dubious follows. For instance, I read recently that armed rubbers when buggle the house instead of requesting for cash would ask for transfer because they understand it can't be located.

This is actually why the saying goes that there is always an disadvantage to every advantage
For us people do really love anonymous thing which we dont really want to disclose ourself to anybody and bitcoin is the answer on this kind of transactions which is indeed and advantage for us users and also to those criminals.I do believe that bitcoin is already being used on illegal stuffs since it was just starting and slowly boomed up and gain popularity which somehow give negative image on it for some people or into governments.
7579  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What actually is Provably Fairness?! on: October 10, 2017, 01:56:57 PM
This is a nice explanation but it will not do you any good if you don't know how to manually check by yourself if a gambling website is really provably fair or not.

I've found an old article that will teach you how to check each of your bets to see if they were fair. He's checking a Blackjack game, but you can easily apply this to other games on different websites yourself.

http://www.provablyfairplay.com/blog/how-to-manually-verify-provably-fair-games.html
This is why most people wont really bother at all to check for themselves manually because it is somehow complicated specially to those gamblers who do have zero knowledge when it comes into hashes or any other related thing.Thanks for the effort made by OP which it would really enlighten some people who doesnt what provable fairness means and also to the link you provided.
7580  Economy / Gambling / Re: DO NOT play at Bitstarz.com on: October 10, 2017, 01:19:20 PM
List of scam accusation threads against them
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2102981
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1929667
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1802917

And probably bitstarz representative will not help you here too as his/her account is inactive since August https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=307265

This all proves they are shady casino and we should avoid playing there. However I always try to opt out any bonuses casino will offer to not get stucked with lots of hidden bonus terms like this one.
If op did able to read up those links for sure he would really have a doubt on playing.This is why i dont really trust any loyalty bonus or whatsoever because once you would able to make big money they would already make excuses.If bitstraz representative isnt active since august then probably they are avoiding such issues on the site which is really a big flag for me.
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