I am in Atlantic Canada. The system has no place to tell it preferred contact method is Freenode IRC #bitcoin-otc  -MarkM- |
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No problem, that info is helpful. I would obviously grow itno at least one complete dedicated machine if the thing actually works out how to pay for itself, so starting with a virtual machine sounds good. I believe someone around here offers such things for bitcoins I just didn't realise you weren't one of those offering that.
-MarkM-
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At some point I will need hosting for Freeciv ( http://www.freeciv.org/ ) servers. The best configuration would probably involve decent amount of swap space since most planets (servers) would probably spend most of their time swapped out, idle (not idle loop; select statement waiting for connection on assigned port). I need to determine how much per world such hosting would cost, in order to put together a business plan whereby they will be able to pay their hosting. (A how to get the bitcoins from the players plan.) Normally public Freeciv servers tend to have about twelve servers running, allowing random players to specify a size of world and number of players; and when players leave for certain period of time the server dies and a replacement is spawned. What I want to do though is have much fewer such "random, player-specified worlds" and a potentially much larger population of permanent worlds each of which only certain players can play on using username+password login built into the server code. (This involves a tiny mySQL database that has the username+password pairs and maybe a few fields optionally useable for player ranking/scoring system.) The few "random" worlds would be the free loss-leader, since a normal Freeciv game ends when you wipe out all other players on the planet or get a spaceship to a nearby world (classically known as Alpha Centauri). The lure would be that now you have won a world, would you like to join the Galactic Milieu...  Best would probably be to try out running two servers, one with a "size 4" world (4000 tiles map) and one with a "size 29" world (29000 tiles map) so you can check what resources the smallest and biggest world each use, and maybe a middle-size (10 to 13 or so) world as an idea of a maybe-average world, in order to figure out what kind of pricing would be appropriate... What O/S do you use? Freeciv is in many Linux distributions and probably in BSD variants too, although in production use I would probably have to use a custom server because standard one shows all players the IP addresses of all players, which could have legal complications in addition to just basically being a bit of an invasion of privacy. I would also need some method of remotely running the shell scripts that do the movement of starships from one savegame to another to move them and the units aboard them from planet to planet. It must be a method that allows feedback of what the script says like no such planet no such nation no such starship insufficient warp jump range and so on. This would be needed to work-around the lack of ability to run an IRC bot, as currently I use IRC to tell those scripts what ships to move from where to where. (Basically they just use sed grep awk etc to remove units from one savegame and insert them into another.) Eventually in order to support large numbers of worlds it will probably be necessary to make a front end were pkayers identify themselves and specify which one of ther possibly many worlds to actually fire up a server for to play on at a given time, thus limiting max number of servers actually running to the numbe of players playing at that moment. (And usually probably less as hopefully a lot of time at least two players will be working on the same world at the same time.) -MarkM- |
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The checkout on my Amway "personal site" is run by Amway not by me, so I cannot add currencies to the checkout. Usually we either create people an account there if they aren't into doing the computer thing themselves and plug in their orders through that (like if doing home visits to people who hate computers, stuff like that) or if they want they can create their own account (making sure they sign up as my customer) and fill their shopping cart or set up their automatic orders then if they don't want to pay using a method Amway directly supports in it's checkout they can arrange another method (such as bitcoins) and as long as I have their login and password I can have my upline pay it with his credit card or I can pay it using PayPal. (The checkout might well apply your local sales taxes automatically so that it is all squeeky-clean legal. Amway is very careful about being legal...) Refunds due to warranties would be sent by cheque in your local fiat currency, returns are by post office mail usually and they pay the postage on such returns. (Many products have 180 day empty-box guarantee, as the idea is to make it very easy to dare to try things until you find the things you like enough to settle on as your family tradition things to buy forever. ) Although the company (and reps) like to have customers just go to the site and do self-serve the fact is many customers do not and often those who do forget their account and who their rep (IBO) is and just create a new account that gets credited to some random Platinum level rep in their region. So it is actually quite normal that our customers don't even know about their account at the site it is just the mechanism we use to have their shipping address on file and a shopping cart dedicated to them. (You can put zero quantity of an item in the cart so as to remind yourself what you might someday want and stuff like that, it is persistent cart.) At nanotube's suggestion I made a quick google sites page about accepting bitcoin: https://sites.google.com/site/bitcoinknotwork/*** NOTE the part about I can do lower prices on many items for people who use bitcoin *** -MarkM- |
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Quote: "You have to change the Makefile in utils/wxrc to include Pango-Cairo, Cairo and X11"
Aha! I had changed the main Makefile, I didnt realise some deeper one would re-define that.
I made the fix, but that just moves along to another error:
[root@desktop buildgtk]# make
(if test -f utils/wxrc/Makefile ; then cd utils/wxrc && make all ; fi)
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/wxWidgets-2.9.0/buildgtk/utils/wxrc'
g++ -o wxrc wxrc_wxrc.o -L/usr/src/wxWidgets-2.9.0/buildgtk/lib -pthread -lexpat -lwx_gtk2ud-2.9 -lwxregexud-2.9 -pthread -lz -ldl -lm -pthread -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpng12 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lcairo -lpango-1.0 -lfreetype -lfontconfig -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lrt -lglib-2.0 -lX11 -lXxf86vm -lSM -lpng -lz -ljpeg -ltiff -lz -ldl -lm
/usr/bin/ld: /usr/src/wxWidgets-2.9.0/buildgtk/lib/libwx_gtk2ud-2.9.a(monolib_displayx11.o): undefined reference to symbol 'XineramaIsActive'
/usr/bin/ld: note: 'XineramaIsActive' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1 so try adding it to the linker command line
/usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[1]: *** [wxrc] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/wxWidgets-2.9.0/buildgtk/utils/wxrc'
make: *** [wxrc] Error 2
Adding -lXinerama doesnt fixes that.
So thanks! Looks like it compiled.
As to using the distribution wxWidgets, it is the wrong version, one specifically said not to work. The one required is missing, I can yum the previous one and the latest one but not the required one.
EDIT: to make bitcoin compile I also had to add all those lib specifications to the makefile.unix - maybe not all were really needed but trying to pick and choose which was too painful, putting them all in worked.
-MarkM-
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Would use of "food banks" to avoid starving be acceptable? I offer various foodstuffs and nutrition items for bitcoin, but that doesn't help me myself to attempt a challenge like this as I am the merchant. I have a house in Sheet Harbour Nova Scotia that has no electricity so no problem with temptation to use electricity, vandals have trashed the main power board/system enough that I'd need a LOT of bitcoins to get an electrician to fix it and re-certify it. There is a food bank within walking distance, and I have already established that I am qualified to avail myself of their services should I need to. No electricity poses a challenge to the online documenting though. Does anyone offer mobile internet of some kind that will work in Nova Scotia, and supplies of batteries, for bitcoin? I can ship good nutrition to people in return for bitcoin, so no need to live off teas and coffees, although I can also supply those. (I can also offer internet connectivity and travel/accomodation products too it seems...) -MarkM- ( http://www.amway.ca/MarkMetson/Shop/Product/Category.aspx/Batteries-Light-Bulbs ... ) |
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In the past I always assumed each planet's local currency is mostly useless elsewhere. In fact starports in Digitalis Data Cluster assumed all local currency left in your account at the port was left to them as a tip, the idea being only actual "cargo" had much chance of being of an use at some other starsystem.
So having many currencies has always been part of my plan. Cluster had trillions of currencies. But it did not trade the currecies directly. Instead you saw a price list of all goods one could buy/sell, and could choose any item from that list to view all other items "price" in. For example tons of fuel was a popular choice.
With the Galactic Milieu there are now even more local currencies, as "balkanised" (multiple nations present) worlds are the usual starter worlds until some nation actually manages to gain complete control of a planet.
So there will not only be trades to American currency but on each planet that has a nation named American there will be a potentially quite separate "American local currency".
It is only Bitcoin that has made me start looking seriously again at the idea of a currency that would potentially be useful on widely separated worlds, and that is because Bitcoin can be transmitted. In Cluster the "traveller" type assumption applied, that nothing travels faster than ships so all communication is essentially cargo carried by ships. But in the Galactic Milieu faster than light "subspace communicator" tech is in the tech tree. So potentially even if there are blockades preventing what you buy in one starsystem from being transportable to another star system your actual bitcoins could be transmitted.
So basically have no fear, each nation's attempts to promulgate a currency of their own is expected to be as important a part of the game as the banks and stockmarkets and so on that potentially might choose to (or be militarily forced to if within the currency fiat-er's territory) honour such currencies.
A currency that can work in more than one starsystem could potentially allow you to trade umpteen tons of a commodity on one planet for umpteen tons of the same or a different commodity on another planet without any tons of commodity actually having to move between the starsystems involved.
It certainly has the potential to be very interesting. Before bitcoin I always had strong reservations against having local currencies move from world to world. Bitcoin has inspired me to give it a try. American money from a planet so far away that you cannot ship stuff you buy there with it to where you are might be worthless, but maybe bitcoins might somehow manage to jump that gulf. Maybe by in effect having stockpiles of goods on many worlds all potentially useful for "backing" bitcoins with the goods never actually being shipped, mostly being like vaults or at most ultimately being consumed on the same planet the good originated on. Speculators owning real estate on many planets is maybe the ultimate example of that, the real estate would not be shipped from planet to planet but maybe could still somehow store value to back currencies that could jump from world to worl by offering people the use of real estate on any world the currency backers have properties on.
A key category of shares would probably be real estate companies.
For other categories I was thinking of assuming each "improvement" one can build in a city has some kind of industry involved in it, with each such industry being on the stock markets and making more or less profit as more or less cities build or maintain such an improvement.
Then from those base types (plus mining companies, terraforming companies etc) branch out into hybrid companies, so many percent invested in libraries so many percent in universities so many percent in research labs or whatever combo a designer or CEO or board of a company wants to set up...
-MarkM-
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Software for it could be tested in a game context.
This is something I was going to do anyway, I happened upon bitcoin when doing research looking for already existing open source code that could be useful for such a project.
Basically I have a whole bunch of Freeciv worlds, and among the standard "improvements" one builds in the cities of such worlds are Marketplaces, Banks and Stock Markets. As I want to use these worlds as backdrop for RPG characters and finance/business game players more than as playthings of immortal spirit-of-a-nation players I set out to find code useful for fleshing out the market banks and stockmarkets, which ended up causing me to discover bitcoin...
-MarkM-
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Has anyone managed to compile wxWidgets under Fedora 14 ? With some messing around I managed to get the command line bitcoind to compile, but nothing I can find with google helps in getting wxWidgets 2.9.0 to compile. Some suggestions about pkg-config --libs indicate some libraries are not mentioned that should be but no amount of adding them in works. ( http://groups.google.com/group/wx-users/browse_thread/thread/506221a2b84c7505/cb86f1b4247d9e50 ) wxWidgets site itself doesnt seem to really know how to compile for Fedora, one message said something was deliberately cut out way back when from git, but that is just about the pangocairo libraries and adding all them back in does not fix the problem. -MarkM- |
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Haha, that seems like a really clever piece of antimiscegenist-baiting! I'll be surprised if it turns out you're correct. If not, nice trolling!
-MarkM- (Its an interesting excuse for antimiscegenism though. Thanks.)
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Trollfood, trollfood! Hahaha.
If you were actually that concerned, surely you would have applied "don't feed the trolls" rule...
...Creating a separate thread entirely, with maybe even a cunningly contrived title designed to attract journalists to the thread as least as well as this thread's title attracts them but taking a slant you feel will more properly condition journalists who read it.
My mind isn't tuned in to making a sufficiently titillating title right now, I am coming up with boring titles like "Notice how illegal product threads simply die from lack of response?"
-MarkM-
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My take on Ripple was that I would want to disallow giving people more (bitcoin-) credit than you yourself actually have, except for the admin account which would give credit denominated in bitcoin based on bitcoin actually already received from the person the credit is given to.
Even then things could go weird, but at least the credit given by the admin would (well, could) actually be backed.
-MarkM-
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Aha, Iraq does use them. Cool, I thought I was more likely to confuse Iran and Iraq than either with Kuwait.
I think the goldgame folk were pushing Iraqi dinar when they were dirt cheap or maybe even newly invented
(if newly then maybe almost before they were really or much "out there" / "in use").
-MarkM-
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What decides the font it uses? Our browser defaults? Or is it deliberately telling our browsers to use a phishing font?
-MarkM-
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That is interesting because I think it was dinars that were being offered by the ponzi/gold game folk a few years back as the latest greatest ponzi to invest in. Hmm. Maybe that was some other nation's dinars or is that the only nation who calls their money dinars?
-MarkM- (Or am I thinking of something other than dinars entirely, some other money from out east somewhere?)
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Nice. This could be shaping up to be quite an educational thread.
Is it done using alternate fonts that look alike or what?
-MarkM-( I still think Netponders could better than Bitcoiners help such websites get exposure though. (& even content too!))
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Maybe it is better / more convenient for people who are against nuclear proliferation to be able to find all the offers relevant to their bias (and involving bitcoins) right here instead of having to wonder where else it might be happening that they don't even know to look for it at?
-MarkM-
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Maybe having some other site specialise in such things could be useful, and might please those people who would just as soon not see job X or product Y advertised here at all...
-MarkM- (Planet X now offering nuclear arms! Special deal if your target planet Y lacks such technology!)
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Porn pretty much pioneered internet commerce.
Mainstream commerce didn't let that stop it from moving in, instead they took advantage of all the work the pioneers had already done.
-MarkM-
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