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761  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What will be the Bitcoin Price If..... on: September 10, 2019, 08:42:45 PM
do you think bitcoin will be zero? does that mean to die? not at all like that and I think there will be better, because no one can manipulate the market, there is no more centralization as in exchange and everyone is free to buy and sell directly, which means mass adoption has been achieved.
Even OP did not think about bitcoin backing to Zero but he was just asking

And who told you that “No One can Manipulate the market”? Whales holds/owns thousands or millions of Bitcoin in which enough to make a market movement if they move in or out so yes there can be manipulation.

I start to undestood slowly how this game works:) 

This is no game mate I’m telling you that,cryptocurrency is very serious since it involves a lot of money



Its a game but just serious game!

And im sure whoever can take a pain and stay Strong can be Successful.

And we Know the Price is depending on how Much Capital are Going in or Actually how how the Stanley coins creators owners Will manipulate btc price with buy Orders.
762  Economy / Economics / Re: Average savings across the globe on: September 10, 2019, 08:36:28 PM
The average personal amount of savings are between $ 2,900 for the USA and ¥ 5,806,554 for Japan. The USA comes last in our ranking, but their neighbor Canada is one of the richest countries regarding personal savings.

https://www.expertmarket.com/focus/research/countries-that-save-the-most-money


Interesting list, but I wonder based on what that list has been made or how those data were collected. Anyways, you can't compare which country is rich based on personal savings. The personal savings of a country depends on various factors such as interest rates, future expected profit, future inflation and other tons of other stuffs. If people see that there is an opportunity to make some good profit due to some reason or  event taking place, people won't be keeping their money in the bank. They would rather start investing in order to maximized their future profit. So a country with good economy might also have a low personal savings. Remember though, this low savings will eventually reach equilibrium in the long run.


I Think the list is pretty accurate
Countries Where savings low People are in debted highly too.


Some countries People live in -200 a Monthly like it means  Every Monthly they have missing some ammount of money in Order to survive someone have borrow the money!
763  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Alt coins bleeding on: September 10, 2019, 08:31:35 PM
So Everybody talking about Altcoins bleeding and btc dominance....can the top altcoins can just disapere?  In my opinion its a best time to but altcoins coz Panic sellers are selling?

But can Some coins just disapere?  Or Go to Zero?
I Think If market is Red its a Good time to buy!


I Don't undestood that Panic about altcoins!

Altcoins who are on top ranking cant just disappear that easily.They might plummet their prices to the floor but its hard to believe that they would end up into that scenario.
Unless if the masses leave out that coin due to some hack or exploit on the entire platform or serious reasons/issues towards it but if we do talk about that casual market
movement then its hard to make a conclusion. Market do bleeds and this isnt only applicable on altcoins only but also on BTC as well.For now its not really a bad idea to buy up some top altcoins in the market which they are indeed cheaper by now and accumulating while its cheap does matter with your risk management.Just dont go with all in and always mind up on your money management.



Good answer!


But Yes i Think its a Good time to buy Alts
And Even those alts wich might be Not top altcoins but falling a most coz anything whats falling Will atracting investors coz investors Think that they buy with Low Price!


But there is rumours like a altcoins wounth survive...
764  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Alt coins bleeding on: September 10, 2019, 06:08:51 PM
So Everybody talking about Altcoins bleeding and btc dominance....can the top altcoins can just disapere?  In my opinion its a best time to but altcoins coz Panic sellers are selling?

But can Some coins just disapere?  Or Go to Zero?
I Think If market is Red its a Good time to buy!


I Don't undestood that Panic about altcoins!
765  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What will be the Bitcoin Price If..... on: September 10, 2019, 06:01:35 PM
I start to undestood slowly how this game works:) 


766  Economy / Economics / Re: Average savings across the globe on: September 10, 2019, 05:58:01 PM
Norway and Australia are the Same level on savings thing!
767  Economy / Economics / Re: Average savings across the globe on: September 10, 2019, 09:48:53 AM
Switzerland   $58,389   19.03%   $11,109.09   $925.76   $30.44   $1.27



Switzerland People save most money!
768  Economy / Economics / Average savings across the globe on: September 10, 2019, 09:47:47 AM
The average personal amount of savings are between $ 2,900 for the USA and ¥ 5,806,554 for Japan. The USA comes last in our ranking, but their neighbor Canada is one of the richest countries regarding personal savings.




https://www.expertmarket.com/focus/research/countries-that-save-the-most-money







769  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin and exchangers this is getting interesting Now guys!! on: September 10, 2019, 09:41:50 AM
When I first read you opening statement I disagreed, but then I saw the rest of your statement and understood.

I do P2P a lot as well but I still consider that an exchange. I think what you mean is that few people now buy from companies, and go directly to each other to get their crypto.

For me, it is almost the same anyway except if you buy from exchanges you are just using an extra middle man to find your trading partner,,, that is all.



If that so then  Price of btc Will stay 10k
But the Bakkt Launch Will Bring btc Up im sure, and then it might crash Again like a dotcom bubble was
770  Economy / Economics / Re: Fed and Europe and Even Australia did rate cut but btc Still low on: September 10, 2019, 09:38:13 AM
Fed, au and europe is about to cut rates.
But Why Bitcoin is Still low?
2017 was Even less rate cuts but btc was 20k.

Now everywhere is rate cuts but btc Price is Still low



Anyone knows Why its like that?
You have answered your question by yourself but you did not notice, if the price of bitcoin was at its all time high when the cuts were lower and now the price is lower than that despite the bigger cuts then that means that bitcoin has no relationship whatsoever with whatever the Europeans do with their economy, in a way this makes sense since bitcoin is not a national currency, in fact it will be interesting to know why you thought otherwise since I do not understand how you came up with that theory.


There was, just thanks to rate cuts the Bitcoin was Going Up!
Remember many People borrowed money to buy Bitcoin at the 2017.
So 2017 was huge money printings.
Now the rate cuts are Even bigger, but the people Don't Invest just Through Exchangers they buy private ways!

That's the Only Reason what makes any sense!


If the btc investors Will Buy the btc Same ways like 2017 When many Middle class investors took a loans then by Now the btc Price would be at least 30k. 

My Only Question is what Next? 



Let's see the facts here:
Investors have stored a lot Bitcoins out of Exchangers... If they want to liquitade their btc then they Will transfer btc to Exchangers.
Large sell Orders Will crash the market! 
771  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What will be the Bitcoin Price If..... on: September 10, 2019, 09:24:25 AM
If no Exchangers from. Where the coinmarketcap Will Take price from?


If i do Private Deal with my neighbour nobody Don't know! 

I Don't Still undestood how the exacly the btc price Will be it seems to me that it comes from Only manipulation in Exchangers buy and sell order.



Its all pretty much like a fools game,  today someone dictating the price to You and You have to buy it with that price.

772  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Btc is last exit Once the cryotomarket start Falling? on: September 08, 2019, 07:22:02 PM
Btc will be the Last exit once the crypotomarket start Falling?

If so then After altcoins falling Everybody will run Up to btc?

The btc Price Can hit like 5k Up per day...
if the cryptomarket starts to fall, people will run back to USDT and very few investors will run to BTC.
The bear market like 2018 has shown us, stablecoins are a solid fulcrum for us.
The market will not be able to reduce its value and we just need to wait for a good price and continue to buy coins to hold. Grin



So If thats the Case then USA dollar Will remain strong and those who predicting usd collapse are Wrong!
Even btc goes Up People start liquidate... Into USDT.
So the End goal is to Get USDT.
773  Economy / Economics / Re: Fed and Europe and Even Australia did rate cut but btc Still low on: September 08, 2019, 07:18:50 PM
Bitcoins is not the only option where the money can be invested as the others have already said we have more stable things considering how real estate is a boon for new naive investors and also how gold is easy and secure .. therefore we cannot expect all the money to actually go in cryptocurrencies and bitcoins.
Therefore it is not necessary that it would go hand in hand ..



The Market Works by FOMO, once the People Will see the BTC Price goes Up like a 14-15k. They Jump in Same thing with GOLD market bull run the gold market is just a lot more bigger then Bitcoin thats Why Gold bull is so Long.


When investors Invest into something they Want to be confident about where they Invest... The People have no faith in stock markets coz People have lost faith into governments, Banks and corporations.  


Corporations, governments, Banks Will be less and less popular People have lost Trust and faith.

Investors Now Looking for new things and cryptocurrency and Gold is an option.

Banks and stock markets is about collapse Even governments are about stop functioning like they use to be its just a normal process, no regime or some sort of order cant exist for ever, changing is normal
As life is like alchemical process, When you have used  something then its used the energy of old object Will not disapere but it Will go into new things.

Like hot day the Water will Go to the sky and then it Will Come Down Again.


So Nothing is permanent Same with the markets and investment
774  Economy / Economics / Re: The New World Order with Crypto and Blockchain Technology on: September 08, 2019, 06:52:29 PM
If a New World Order takes effect soon, do you think that all of the world's governments will make use of crypto and Blockchain technology to their fullest potential? Imagine if one world digital currency existed, where every single country makes use of it worldwide. Central Banks will act as nodes and miners of that digital currency, which is backed by the Blockchain. The single, unified Blockchain will prove to become highly scalable for the world, especially since it'll be extremely centralized.

By making use of Blockchain technology for everything, global control will be enforced as it's much easier to track every single transaction made worldwide. Those transactions will not only involve money, but also transfer of ownership, certificates of birth, driver's license, and other services within the global Blockchain system. This may sound crazy, but if you look at the current situation where many Banks and governments have become interested in the technology, it shows us that it will be implemented in every area worldwide within the not-so-distant future.

Nonetheless, what are your thoughts? Huh


What is interesting is that FINTECH Company have developed digital banking system like online banking.
Now they are Behind the Blockchain Technology.


And Theter associates have close ties to KPMG and Fintech Company.
Theter is currency wich dictating the btc price.

So in cryptocurrency we see Bankers dirty hands more and more...
Where it all Will lead us?
But Let's ask from the Bankers, they answer Will be
Ouuu we Got Nothing to do with cryptocurrency...


Then You look at the coinbase Circle poloniex, its all wall street players and they are the bankers.


So clearly bankers have Plan with cryptocurrency








775  Economy / Economics / Re: Fed and Europe and Even Australia did rate cut but btc Still low on: September 08, 2019, 06:38:03 PM
Okay, If the money not Going into btc where?
Its a Construction/real estate/gold/...i dont think its a stock market coz When we look at the Geo political situation investors talking about safe hedge against everything against Fiat currency Bad reputation and against stock markets...


The most trusted hedge is somehow the Gold.

776  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto replacing fiat? on: September 08, 2019, 11:13:25 AM
I don't think so, that crypto can replace fiat because the original currency is fiat and many people used fiat ever since that's why it's difficult to happen.




Fiat currency comes from DEBT
Debt is liability, responsebility.

The Debt Gives value to Every dollar or Euro.


Now Let's Say we Don't have debt, and You are Federal reserv or Central bank, You need to provide your currency to People to use it.

So how u gona do that?
You print money, Right?  But how do You Know how much?  Let's Say the population in Country is
900.mil so will You print half like a 450.mil?
That means half People must be in absalout Poverty!! 
Right You print 800.mil. It means 100mil. People must be in absalout Poverty!

So You print exacly 900 mil. Or more  So then If Everybody Will have enough money or more then the money Will have no value!

Debt is Liability so the debt intrest Will make People to pay Back more then they Got... So Principal plus interest,  so People Will start fighting with other People in order to pay Back loan that what Gives value Now to Fiat!




Cryptocurrency... Is debt free, then it Can be Only with value When its less then People.

In this Case the cryptocurrency Can be Only currency in the World When are Only  rich and poor!

The Debt is Only factor what Will let Everybody to feel rich buy the things what they Can't afford.


If the cryptocurrency Will be world currency we Will have full communism Regime or Even totalitarism of fullest
777  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / What will be the Bitcoin Price If..... on: September 08, 2019, 10:54:44 AM
What u Think what will be the Bitcoin Price, If the Exchangers does not existing like binance.. Polo kraken and others 😀


Will it be Zero?  Or just as much someone is willing to pay to buy btc
778  Economy / Trading Discussion / Btc is last exit Once the cryotomarket start Falling? on: September 08, 2019, 10:49:56 AM
Btc will be the Last exit once the crypotomarket start Falling?

If so then After altcoins falling Everybody will run Up to btc?

The btc Price Can hit like 5k Up per day...
779  Economy / Economics / Re: Taxless society idea on: September 08, 2019, 10:44:26 AM
It's good in paper but it's more complex at it seems, you need full cooperation for public and private sector so most likely they will clash in the end. Plus will government allow that kind of setup? I don't think that they would allow old and traditional just run over by crypto is this is what you are trying to drive out here.



Taxless, Right look at the Examples:
Monaco_Rich People, Even workers who serve rich People Get Good salary. (The little% saved by Not paying taxes goes to workers from rich)

Now Other Example: Finland and Norway they have heavy taxes.
But Country is well developed government have strong social security system.


Now look at the countries where taxes are not high and not low, they have problems!


So the best way is either no Taxes at all or high taxes like Finland.


You look at the countries like Moldova, ukraine... Baltic countries, those countries the tax is not high but its not low... Its something between, Are they doing fine?  No! 

If the taxes are high then the government must be strong to make sure the tax payers money goes for benefits of citizens!


Me personally will prefer no taxes, we should privatize everything  just   Some% for insurance funding in Case Something goes Wrong the all Country have insurance!

If something is privatized it means someone will have responsebility When someone have responsebility its a thing what Can be Functional.


When Everything is owned by Everybody then nobody will not care about Nothing nobody seems to not have responsebility/liability so that Kind of system Can not last long!
780  Economy / Economics / Fed and Europe and Even Australia did rate cut but btc Still low on: September 08, 2019, 10:29:32 AM
Fed, au and europe is about to cut rates.
But Why Bitcoin is Still low?
2017 was Even less rate cuts but btc was 20k.

Now everywhere is rate cuts but btc Price is Still low



Anyone knows Why its like that?
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