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7601  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2022, 02:23:30 AM
dude its side ways and stuck in a 28.8-69k channel been in that channel since late December 2020

now do i guess it leave that channel this year .

yes i do  . then it wont be sideways. it will be as we both want uppity or as we both don’t want debbie downer.

I am prepared for it to leave the channel that it has been in for last 400 plus days.

either way.  but while we stay in the channel i dca 50 a day.
7602  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2022, 02:02:18 AM
sandwich
7603  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2022, 01:59:35 AM
hmm will we bounce up and over 43k while I sleep.

maybe. but I guess more sideways
7604  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2022, 01:23:51 AM
sideways seems like what is happening.
7605  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining 265 blocks solved! on: February 07, 2022, 12:30:43 AM
I tried to search and go through the thread as much as I can and can't find anything..

if I wanted to rent mining power could I use nicehash?
when I try to validate the pool, everything looks good but I get the following error:
Code:
Pool difficulty too low (provided=10000, minimum=500000)... Error

thanks

ShitHash aka NiceHash uses a higher port..

So use 4334 instead of the default 3333 for ckpool when using shithash and you will be fine... Also you have www.miningrigrentals.com which is also a rental provider.


I don't think it's possible, but if the block hits at 2.148Gh / s, isn't it great? It looks interesting, so I'll try mining for a while.

Stupidest shit I ever heard in my life, but your call.. waste of time imo..

So let me help you out, a 3090 farming ETH will make 7-8$/day, then you use those 7-8$ earned mining ETH and rent out ASIC miners which you use to mine bitcoin solo.

For 7-8$ daily you can have roughly 40-45TH hashrate on solo which roughly translates to 1 in 33k odds per day, compared to mining btc with that card at the odds of   1 in 620M..

Common sense and logic my friend... don't be so lazy and do some research and understand the stuff you are attempting.. might get better results in life..

this is the proper move as I type I have a laptop mining on nice hash and every 25 days it makes enough for a rental. so I rent  and point here or an other pool.

to directly point a gpu to ckpool is silly.

gave 8 merits keep posting and you will make rank


What do you mine on nicehash with the laptop?

It's the one and only correct way to go about it. Glad someone is on the ball and maximizing chances at every given opportunity.

People don't realize the math. I may point a bit more gpus at nicehash and then point the earnings here or
at another pool ck designed.
7606  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining 265 blocks solved! on: February 06, 2022, 05:10:34 AM
I don't think it's possible, but if the block hits at 2.148Gh / s, isn't it great? It looks interesting, so I'll try mining for a while.

Stupidest shit I ever heard in my life, but your call.. waste of time imo..

So let me help you out, a 3090 farming ETH will make 7-8$/day, then you use those 7-8$ earned mining ETH and rent out ASIC miners which you use to mine bitcoin solo.

For 7-8$ daily you can have roughly 40-45TH hashrate on solo which roughly translates to 1 in 33k odds per day, compared to mining btc with that card at the odds of   1 in 620M..

Common sense and logic my friend... don't be so lazy and do some research and understand the stuff you are attempting.. might get better results in life..

this is the proper move as I type I have a laptop mining on nice hash and every 25 days it makes enough for a rental. so I rent  and point here or an other pool.

to directly point a gpu to ckpool is silly.

gave 8 merits keep posting and you will make rank


What do you mine on nicehash with the laptop?


eth until it gets to 0.001 btc about 20-22 days I then rent 256 gear from nicehash and point it to solo pool or another pool that ck built.
7607  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining 265 blocks solved! on: February 06, 2022, 01:51:57 AM
I don't think it's possible, but if the block hits at 2.148Gh / s, isn't it great? It looks interesting, so I'll try mining for a while.

Stupidest shit I ever heard in my life, but your call.. waste of time imo..

So let me help you out, a 3090 farming ETH will make 7-8$/day, then you use those 7-8$ earned mining ETH and rent out ASIC miners which you use to mine bitcoin solo.

For 7-8$ daily you can have roughly 40-45TH hashrate on solo which roughly translates to 1 in 33k odds per day, compared to mining btc with that card at the odds of   1 in 620M..

Common sense and logic my friend... don't be so lazy and do some research and understand the stuff you are attempting.. might get better results in life..

this is the proper move as I type I have a laptop mining on nice hash and every 25 days it makes enough for a rental. so I rent  and point here or an other pool.

to directly point a gpu to ckpool is silly.

gave 8 merits keep posting and you will make rank
7608  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2022 Diff thread. on: February 05, 2022, 08:54:50 PM
Right now Antminer S9 in decent condition is available locally. I have some, but considering getting more. I am saving up for a M30S or S17 running somewhere around 40 W/Th. Used S17 prices seems to hover around 55 USD per Th and Whatsminer about 80 USD (but warranty included).

S9 is about 20 USD per Th.

Trying to use braiins insight to make a decision.

Given 2 years investment horizon:
Setup 1:
50 % difficulty increase every year.
50 % price increase every year.
Hodl all.
6c power (2c power. 4c taxes and expenses)(expected to stay at same level in next years)

Scenario 1: Buy 6x S9: 1800 USD
Hashrate: 90 Th
Power: 7200 W

@24 months: 0.211 BTC
Power cost: 7560 USD power cost
Average cost of production 36294 USD per BTC.
Net profit: 7600, IRR =940%

Scenario 2: Buy 1x S17 pro 59th: 3400 USD
Hashrate: 90 Th
Power: 2900 W

@24 months: 0.139 BTC
Power cost: 2424 USD
Average cost of production 17604 USD per BTC.
Net profit: 8800 USD, IRR=490%


Different setup:
Setup 2:
50 % difficulty increase every year.
100 % price increase every year.

Scenario 1 with S9 now :
@24 months: 0.211 BTC
Net profit: 17200 USD, IRR =2000 %

Scenario 2 with S17 pro now:
@24 months: 0.139 BTC
Net profit: 16600 USD, IRR=950 %


Different setup:
Setup 3:
100 % difficulty increase every year.
50 % price increase.

Scenario 1 with S9s now:
@24 months: 0.169 BTC
Power cost: 7560 USD
Average cost of production 50337 USD per BTC.
Net profit: 3700 USD, IRR=640%

Scenario 2 with S17 pro now:
@24 months: 0.111 BTC
Power cost: 2424 USD
Average cost of production 24529 USD per BTC.
Net profit: 6300 USD, IRR=400%

I am planning to invest in mining equipment in the next years, but the prices right now for efficient gear are very high. Will we see another crypto winter? Will bitcoin spike and every piece of old mining gear suddenly be valuable again? Will difficulty growth outpace price growth? If mining becomes tough (and difficulty decreases) and bitcoin price increases - S9 investment will be better than saving for more efficient gear.

What are the best predictions with regard to difficulty development in the short term?

Hmmm no-one knows 24 months from now.

last 13 months we grew 43 %   but  April 2021 to now we grew 3%

You can try long range numbers for diff  growth but it is hard to say in 12 months we will grow 40% or 30 % or 50 %

You can do 3 or 4 guesses for 24 months of diff growth

say 25% 50% and 75%
or 25% 50% 75% and 100%

You can mix your gear as you add it.

add 3 s9 and 1 s17 today

or add 6 s9 and 2 s17 and 1 s19

or add 6 s9 and 2 s17 and pre pay ⅓ for a s19 xp

all cases above are losers unless btc whales.


Quote
https://www.bitrawr.com/difficulty-estimator

Latest Block:   721946  (9 minutes ago)
Current Pace:   86.1064%  (219 / 254.34 expected, 35.34 behind)
Previous Difficulty:   26643185256535.46                            
Current Difficulty:   26690525287405.5                            
Next Difficulty:   between 22998977294890 and 25838415152374

Next Difficulty Change:   between -13.8309% and -3.1926%

Previous Retarget:   last Thursday at 9:32 PM  (+0.1777%)
Next Retarget (earliest):   February 18, 2022 at 8:40 AM  (in 12d 16h 44m 58s)
Next Retarget (latest):   February 20, 2022 at 3:45 AM  (in 14d 11h 49m 31s)
Projected Epoch Length:   between 14d 11h 8m 20s and 16d 6h 12m 53s
...



and we are 35 blocks off pace which combined with the price jump is nice.

but only 219 into this jump.  we need wait to see if we drop off more.
7609  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining 265 blocks solved! on: February 05, 2022, 03:06:36 AM
Hello everyone!

I just bought a "Halong Mining T1 DragonMint 16TH ASIC Bitcoin Miner" that i want to use for Solo mining in the solo.ckpool.org

I just wanted to know if this pool is legit, and if it reports found blocks properly, and if it indeed pays to the miner who found them.

Is there anyone that can testify that this pool is legit?

Thank you!

Best of luck to you all!

He paid me 25 + 25 + 25 btc  to this address

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje


we hit those blocks back in 2016
7610  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 05, 2022, 01:00:32 AM
Memories.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX30xJN3eL4


Hmm interesting, news of new much better mining equipment and partnerships with Intel. Bitcoin price skyrockets goes up ~10%....probably just a coincidence. Who would ever think that the mining infrastructure defines the price (or a basis for).

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/numiner-announces-next-generation-nm440-211000611.html

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/bitcoin-miner-discusses-intel-asic-chip



Oh please, don't start that again  Roll Eyes  Or you'll just receive once again exactly the same responses you had about 20 pages back.

Probably should just put me on ignore.

Not my fault that sometimes logic is more than thinking outside the box.

Well I am not against you.  And on this thread we would be in the minority.

If I also were to explain that eth could flip btc this thread would likely want to kill me.  But if you look at btc mining growth vs eth mining growth it is beginning to happen already.

btc gear has increased by a factor of 1.43 to 1  jan 1 2021 to feb 1 2022
eth gear has increased by a factor of 3.30 to 1 jan 1 2021 to feb 1 2022

btc price has increased by a factor of 1.43 to 1  dec 31 2020 to feb 4 2022
eth price has increased by a factor of 4.11 to 1 jan 1 2021 to feb 4 2022

the biggest factors are LN for btc is POS
and will eth go full POS

and of course eth is fully centralized
while btc is partially centralized.

basically this is me saying franky1 and poolminor  have some points on value of btc


but if you look at Facebook the pe is 16 to 1
and if you look at Tesla the pe is 187 to 1

so what do any of us know>

btc = 41.5K plus baby
7611  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 05, 2022, 12:47:09 AM
COVID found me too….

First time…. It took a long time ….

Still coughing up Flem myself but have felt good otherwise for the last week.

As has been said fluids and keep those sinuses clear!

GL Br0.

*Binge watch Reacher! Smiley

he just pull a gun on picard episode 2

it is decent show so far.

I'm on episode 7, a few things unrealistic but for tv shows its in the top tier.

Did 1 ,2 + 3 still watchable .
7612  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 04, 2022, 11:11:58 PM
COVID found me too….

First time…. It took a long time ….

Still coughing up Flem myself but have felt good otherwise for the last week.

As has been said fluids and keep those sinuses clear!

GL Br0.

*Binge watch Reacher! Smiley

he just pull a gun on picard episode 2

it is decent show so far.
7613  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2022 Diff thread. on: February 04, 2022, 08:33:23 PM
Well buying coin vs mining are a different tax animal in the USA.

I am not against buying coin.
In fact I mine eth to have the ability to buy BTC and cash to fiat while I leave the btc I mine alone.

I hold 25x btc value over eth Value.

Simple reason is not because BTC is the first coin it is most diverse mineable coin spread around to many hands. and ETH is not that way.

But asic mining of btc has been weakened two fold. LN network has made BTC staking a reality and it cuts into the asic miners of btc fees. Will it kill mining down the road? maybe when blocks drop to  0.09765 btc in 23 years the harm of LN to asic mining of BTC will be obvious. Also eth being around as a pow maybe end.  The next 2-10 years should be a blast.



I am older 65. So  23 years from now I would be 88 and very likely not care as much as I do now. Would be nice to be about 35 right now You would have a shot at see btc 50 anniversary and 75th anniversary.

2059 I would be 102 based on family history no one got to 100 I think 99 for 1 great aunt.
2049 I would be   92 based on family history 1 out of 100+ men reached this age.
2039 I would be   82 based on family history this could happen.

So for me in 4-7 years I will shop mining and sell my share of the business to my partners.

Peering into long range difficulty numbers = really hard and kind of pointless.

 Edit : pointless for me.  Just me and the wife no kids.
7614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 04, 2022, 07:02:46 PM
Longs continue to be at the bottom and shorts at the top. I guess after the multiple long squeezes in the last year, those douchebag decided to open short positions. Hahaha, this is how Bitcoin punishes all those who bet instead of investing in it. As the price grows, so do shorts on Binance. I expect a massive short squeeze in the next days.  Grin Grin Grin

It would be really nice to see a dead solid monster levitational type set of three 10 candles up and over that stubborn 70k number by valentines day.
7615  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 04, 2022, 06:19:16 PM
Observing $40,000.

We still alive in this bull run or dead cat?

Well don't care as long as we stay over 40k for the day.

Tomorrow we can push up and over to say 45k.


Maybe it is Facebook  stock money running to btc safety!
7616  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2022 Diff thread. on: February 04, 2022, 04:19:00 PM
I know this is BTC exclusive. I have some leeway and do allow some other coin talk .  But I see a real disconnect between all asics for all coins and for gpus.

Think business and here goes. You want anonymous btc to a blind address.

So Buyer a buys a s19 for 11000 I will skip all tax like usa of 35%.


and say a 105th s19 = $11000 and burns 3500 watts. that means 84 kwatts a day and 11k out of pocket. I will pretend bitmain gives a 6 month  good warranty with shipping to a place in your country (they do not)

so 105 x 18.89 cents =

 19.83 earned free power that is 555 days
 17.31 earned 3 cent power that is 635 days
 15.63 earned 5 cent power that is 703 days
 11.43 earned 10 cent power that is 962 days

look at gpu's

I can get the pny rtx a4000 for 1111 real and true 3 year warranty
Buy 9 of them for 9999
Buy a server case for 1200
cost of 11199

burns 1400 watts or 34 kwatts

earns 22.88 a day free power  this is 489 days to paid off
earns 21.86  a day 3 cent power this is 512 days to paid off
earns 21.18 a day 5 cent power this is 528 days to paid off
earns 19.48 a day 10 cent power this is 574 days to paid off

and a real 3x 365 = 1095 day warranty


So If you are pitching a 1 million dollar setup to a businessman

Do you think he will invest in BTC gear or in GPU's


This is a real issue for BTC miners vs gpu miners.

look at that 5 cent dynamic

11000 for  btc asic   703 days to break even only 180 day warranty
11199 for gpu           528 days to break even with a 1095 day warranty.

and I left out

noise = asic worse
heat = asic more
wiring = asic more
tax = in usa asic is 35% more than the 11k I put in.

this is a relentless pressure that has lasted all of 2021 and part of 2022

btc diff 1-1-21 = 18.5
btc diff 2-4-22  = 26.6 

growth is 26.6/18.5 = 1.43x


eth diff 1-1-21 =  3.74
eth diff 2-4-21 = 12.35

growth is 12.35/3.74 = 3.30x

this is a serious issue for BTC and it may resolve this year.

Not sure how it will :

does btc take off
does eth crash

or

does eth take off and pass btc



enough about eth diff growing way more than btc diff from a business viewpoint it makes sense to math shows it should continue.


so factor of 3.30 eth diff growth vs 1.43 btc diff growth 

over last 13 months

if you mine track this it is important.
7617  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: n0nce's Steel Washer Backup jig (customisable) on: February 04, 2022, 04:09:11 AM
you only need assemble a nut 24 correct washer bolt
Without numbers, you lose your money if you drop the washers. I wouldn't like that risk.

true good point
7618  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2022 Diff thread. on: February 04, 2022, 04:05:43 AM
so +0.1777%  not bad.

still means a new all-time high of 26.69t  vs 26.67t
7619  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: n0nce's Steel Washer Backup jig (customisable) on: February 03, 2022, 06:20:52 PM
If you were to give a list of 60 words from below knowing that 48 of them covered 2 wallets you could have someone make the 60 words for you.
I am lazy but would think you would be fairly secure making 2 wallets and using 48 of the 60 washers.
Would be very hard to crack. It could be affordable for a buyer and makable for a fabricating guy. I wonder what the math would be on 48 of 60 good words for 2 wallets.
Just 24 words give 620448401733239439360000 possibilities if you don't know the order, but there's a bigger problem: you need to remember the order by yourself. So if you ask someone to make very nice looking washers with perfectly spaced words in there, you'll need to hammer in the numbers 01 to 24 by yourself.
And for OPSEC it's much better to buy normal washers than have someone hammer them with wallet seed words.

If you give a list of 60 words.

48 good words for 2 full seed backups. you only need assemble a nut 24 correct washer bolt

you don’t need to punch.  but the fabricator would know you sent  for the set of 60 words.


So you would be safe more or less from the two wallets getting cracked.

but the risk of five dollar wrench attack is heightened
7620  Economy / Speculation / Re: Second Largest DeFi Hack Ever on: February 03, 2022, 06:10:38 PM
I swear these EthTards just can't code!

I really can't wait until it goes fuill retard with the Piece of shit protocol and implodes.



Quote
In Second Largest DeFi Hack Ever, Blockchain Bridge Loses $320M Ether

The network has over $1 billion in total value locked and supports six blockchains: Terra, Solana, Ethereum, Binance Smart Chain, Avalanche and Polygon


https://blockworks.co/in-second-largest-defi-hack-ever-blockchain-bridge-loses-320m-ether/

niceeeee 👍
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