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7661  Economy / Speculation / Re: The last leg to $100 on: March 28, 2013, 11:44:46 AM
This last leg to $100 could be tricky with weekend double dip approaching.

This time I am sure it will not repeat. Everybody I know has sold at least 10-20% in anticipation. This will stop any dip prematurely. If nothing happens, all this money will start buying back about noon Sunday.  Cheesy

Not inconceivable to see $120 next week and $200 in April. IF we take a breather at $100 it will just last 1-2 weeks and allow for big boys to ship some moar money in the exchanges.
7662  Economy / Speculation / Re: The last leg to $100 on: March 28, 2013, 09:47:21 AM
My take is still that Gox will not fall today. The shortsellers and easterfreaks are all there, holding the ground at $98.5.
7663  Economy / Speculation / Re: The last leg to $100 on: March 28, 2013, 09:26:08 AM
I've already seen foreign-currency transactions for over $95 come through the Mt.Gox ticker.

OTC, which means, "unmanipulated trades between people" was 81 € - $103, about 30 minutes ago.
7664  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 28, 2013, 09:01:37 AM
How is it going with your plan to sell silver for bitcoins? Grin

1oz Silver American Eagles:
1oz Silver Canada Maple Leafs:
90% circulated U.S. coins per $1 f/v:

EU only. Add BTC.300 for s/h. Ordering via PM. Maples you can lock in without seeing me online, for other products currently contact first. I am working on releasing the automanual ordering for them also. Details.
7665  Economy / Goods / Re: 1OZ SILVER MAPLE LEAF / CHECK BEST PRICE IN OP on: March 28, 2013, 08:53:32 AM

I cannot manually issue such an address if I am not online, and the automatic issuance incurs a one-time investment of my time and/or money and/or risk. I can sell cheaper this way. All transactions are now public and visible which increases trust as people can see exactly how much I have sold via this method, and that I am in no dire need of bitcoins as they are all sitting there Smiley


Yeah, I just thought you might like to know if you didn't already.


By the way my sales are currently BTC1400 annualized, that is more than $100k  Grin

Nice. If you weren't limited to the EU, I might be in for some.

Hi, thank you! We will soon be offering also 90% circulated silver (Silvervault: AGD type), and American Silver Eagles. Please reply in this thread if you are interested!
7666  Economy / Speculation / Re: The last leg to $100 on: March 28, 2013, 08:37:54 AM
My bet is we'll reach $100 (@mtgox) today or next tue/wed. The run has been exciting. After $100 is reached I'd give odds: 20% for crash @$30, 40% for crash @$50, 40% for continuous rising.

You want to insure against the crash? I am willing to bet you A LOT that it will never go to $20 or $50 anymore. See, if it rises, you lose a little. If it crashes, you win a lot. Interested?
7667  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 28, 2013, 08:34:59 AM

Are you sure you would have kept holding, no matter what all kinds of jackasses were fucking around with in the pandemonium that is the illiquid bitcoin market between August 2011 and August 2012?(I believe you have heard about the Bitcoinica farce and the BTCST saga)

Yes, likely. After all it was just $1k, and I had plenty of other things to do during 2011-2012. Just bothering to think about selling it would have been too much.. I almost never sell anything. I still own mining stocks that peaked in May, 2006, you believe me now?!  Roll Eyes

What I am saying about the recent trades, this is just a sorry silverbug trying to play catch up, and no chance I will be numbered with the large holders ever, that train is long gone  Cry Cry Cry
7668  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 28, 2013, 08:25:12 AM
OK! Here is that thread when bitcoin market cap passed $ 0.001B https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1672

Interesting read. My friend tried to convince me to buy bitcoins that time, but I thought it was too small, and too risky, too illiquid, too much hassle. Well I got what I wanted, buying it now at 500x the price  Tongue

You were right with that decision, or I would be pointing finger at your nose right now:" So you were that fricking goddamn manipulator?"

No chance. What I am doing now is to eat the loss of $999000 when bitcoin went up from $0.1 to $100, but buying the same number of coins regardless. This way I can cap my losses at the said amount. If I bought any less than I considered back then, my losses would likely amount to infinity (when dollar is scrapped and bitcoin tends to infinity in terms of dollars).

Yes it hurts to make a $1 million mistake. Good that I didn't consider investing $10k back then, the mistake would be too big to bear... Cry
7669  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: March 28, 2013, 07:22:49 AM
What are the current terms of the paid subscription?
7670  Economy / Economics / Re: Krugman makes some good points on: March 28, 2013, 07:19:07 AM

Learn about time preference. It's one of the most important and relevant concepts in the Austrian theory. There is no such thing as money that just sits there forever. Saving money means having a low time preference for current consumption, which means delaying the consumption for future needs. For situations where the time preference for consumption has increased. Therefore saving, or "hoarding" as some idiots call it, is not putting money away for good. It's saving money for future consumption.


If you have so much money that you could indulge all of your present wants and needs and still have money left over, then effectively, wouldn't the remainder "just sit there forever?"  Is it really worth entertaining the notion that the money will enter the economy in 100 years so it's still productive?  What about 200 years? A billion years?  It sounds ludicrous but if you had a certain quantity of money that you didn't need to spend, and it continued to appreciate just by your holding onto it, then wouldn't you just hold it, and if so, how is that productive?

It is productive in that it keeps the economy solid and honest.

For example, it can be used to steer the interest rates. If the rate of interest rises high enough, the owner of the megastash can start lending them out to the market. This gives the new entrepreneurs more cheap loan-capital that would not be there otherwise. This facilitates growth of the real economy. Also the contrary is true - if the owner has already maxed out lending, and the rates keep on going down, he can smell rotten and decide to withdraw his lending from the market, and put it in a cold wallet instead. (The "rotten" he smells, might be for example fractional reserve lending that feeds the market with illusion that credit is available although in fact it isn't). This way he cools down the bubblish economy.

If you consider what is happening in the fiat world, we are in the very final stage of the credit bubble illusion. The interest rates are the lowest in world history, still nobody wants to borrow (I mean nobody with the actual ability to pay back the loan). Only governments and individuals who are broke, do borrow these days. Wealthy people and productive businesses either avoid borrowing like a plague, or are disqualified.

I own more income generating businesses, gold, silver, 500 euro notes, and bitcoins than most of you. I asked for a 7-year loan to buy a EUR 420k house, I would have put EUR 120k down and the rest in monthly installments that were within my family's monthly net income. The bank did not even bother answering me! Also my friends report about similar things.

So I smell rotten here. I won't keep my money in the bank earning exactly 0.0% interest if they are not doing what they should, loaning it out to the most creditworthy borrowers imaginable. If they keep on buying treasury bonds instead, it tells in plain letters about their appetite for ponzi and scorn for the productive economy.

Buying bitcoins now, for some it is a way to riches. For others, it is the ultimate manifestation of distrust in the banks.
7671  Economy / Speculation / Re: When is it not a bubble? on: March 28, 2013, 06:26:22 AM

It is cyclical. Bitcoin will have to live several cycles like the one decribed above. The first bubble already was in 2011. The second we will in all likelihood see April-May. It is currently growing 20% per week, you can do the math, in the end of May we are at $1000 if we continue like this. Then it is a bubble, an overextension, which will crash to the baseline.

It is up to bitcoin's long term solidity and usability, whether a bubble and a crash will be followed by order(s) of magnitude bigger rise, bubble (and crash), or whether it will continue low.

Japan's real estate was a bubble in 1980s, because after 25 years, it is still trading for 25% of the then valuation. If bitcoin rises to $1000, and it is still trading in $250 in 2038, then we can say for sure it was a top.

Interim bubbles such as 2011 should be traded with wisdom. After all, the ones that bought in at $31.9 are now sitting on 4.9% monthly gains.  Wink
7672  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 28, 2013, 06:18:31 AM
OK! Here is that thread when bitcoin market cap passed $ 0.001B https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1672

Interesting read. My friend tried to convince me to buy bitcoins that time, but I thought it was too small, and too risky, too illiquid, too much hassle. Well I got what I wanted, buying it now at 500x the price  Tongue
7673  Economy / Economics / Re: European Union is robbing its citizens' bank accounts. 9.9% to be confiscated. on: March 28, 2013, 06:13:12 AM
If a bank goes bankrupt, you would loose all (uninsured) savings

Not correct.
Bankrupt bank always have assets to be divided between its clients and lenders upon liquidation.
The highest priority to get compensation usually have holders of current accounts (ones not generating interest) and they usually recover up to 100%, after them, with descending priority go savings accounts, then time deposits, then bonds, shareholders, etc.

But in the case of Cyprus, it is going to be in absolutely different way. They plan to steal every penny over 100k on rich accounts and then use it to pay compensation to "insured accounts" under 100k in communist style.


In Iceland the government did make a difference between itself and the banks, saying: "the banks fucked up, we didn't and won't insure anything, the people lost money, so we help them sue the bankers, we don't socialize the losses".

In Cyprus, allegedly: "the banks fucked up, we insured some of the deposits, we don't want to make good on our obligation (to insure all losses up to $100k), so we twist the rules to make sure the other depositors pay as much as possible, and taxpayers as little as possible".

Of course this is wrong. If you guarantee my loan to a third person, you cannot demand my other lawful creditors to take the hit before you cover the losses on the part you guaranteed. At least here in Finland. I can understand why your government wants it this way, though. I even believe it is fair as a principle, but wrong because it breaks the agreement that was in force at the time.

To think of it further, you can even say it is right. After all, government has an obligation, so they are "taxing" people who have money in the banks. They call it tax, right. Of course taxpayers pay, in one way or another. Hint: in most countries, only about 10-20% of people actually are taxpayers. Others either work for gov, or earn so little that they get more from the state in return.

The bottom line is, Cyprus is small, and if the government accumulates "enough" debt, the entrepreneurs move away as they don't want to pay the interest via taxes. Otoh, if the government hits them hard one time, they will move away in disgust. So no matter what happens, the same people will not trust the government any more.

Finland was a net creditor in the 1980s. Then the politicians wanted us to integrate to the western financial system. Of course there has been some progress during the 25 years (as well as the previous 25 years 1963-1988 also saw some progress which would have happened regardless of the welfare socialist tendencies) but the net result is that gov now owes 86 billion, which is more than 100,000 eur per taxpayer. I would rather take financial liberty. And I will, there is no chance in this world that I would pay the taxes on my global businesses to Finland. My limit is 10% of realized profits. If some country wants it, I can consider. If not, I will not realize the profits in any country.
7674  Economy / Speculation / Re: Prediction: $100 by April 31st on: March 27, 2013, 06:12:47 PM
Man when I first posted this it looked crazy and people laughed but now it looks positively tame. Simple extrapolation of the exponential seems to be working uncannily well as a conservative estimate, although maybe this can be thought of more as a base for support, with anything like Cyprus just bumping it up to a new set point from which to continue at the same exponential pace.

No kidding, ahead of schedule by a month or so. (yes I know we haven't hit it... yet)

I wonder what the price will actually be on April 31st. Over $130?

If we continue this pace, between 200-300. And then it will crash.
7675  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 27, 2013, 02:27:31 PM
I might sell in bitcoin.de once I have finished the most urgent purchases first Smiley

Did you mean "buy"? Not sure because it might make sense for you to sell there, too.


Sell means "sell". Maybe I will start doing it in a distant future, after my core position is established.
7676  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 27, 2013, 02:18:36 PM
hey rpietila (and other who need to buy loads).

I want.

I know it's high price, but there's quite the liquidity on bitcoin.de:



a plus for bitcoin.de compared to other exchanges: no wait for SEPA, you can lock in the trade right away and then make the SEPA transfer to the seller afterwards (you have 24 hours to initiate it).

that's 1900 BTC below €79.50 you can take right now without first moving the 150K EUR to some exchange.


My last operation did suffer a slippage of 9,7% in about 3 business days. So that is roughly on par with GoxEUR+10% now...

Bitstamp current price $87 + 10% extra would be 150kEUR -> 2000 BTC. It is marginally cheaper, and less hassle I hope.

I might sell in bitcoin.de once I have finished the most urgent purchases first Smiley
7677  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 27, 2013, 01:39:31 PM
All the action seems to have come from the Eurozone today -- all movement was during morning hours in Europe and afternoon in Asia.

During US daylight hours, things seem to have slowed down.

Quite a milestone in China, we breached CNY500. That's quite a chunk of change.


Random theory:  A lot of the new money is coming from Asia and Europe while most of the old Bitcoins were mined and held by Americans. As the new money comes in the old, weak, feeble hands of the Americans dump.

America was given a second chance, and now, AND NOW, they are using it to buy back DOLLARS!  Shocked Huh
7678  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 27, 2013, 01:38:19 PM
In the grand scheme of things this run from the teens to ~$90 will appear very short lived and ridiculously bubble-ish.  Years from now at the bottom of the coming correction we'll all recognize how absurd it is that BTC traded at this level.

How do you not hate yourself for having such bad judgement?

More convincing, is your account and the 3,000 posts an act?

A while back when he was bullish for a day or two, Proudhon claimed to have a stash in cold storage. I suspect this is true and he is actually holding.

I saw him smoking a cigar in a recent Vladimir Club meeting. I suppose he is holding to qualify...
7679  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 27, 2013, 01:12:04 PM
In the grand scheme of things this run from the teens to ~$90 will appear very short lived and ridiculously bubble-ish.  Years from now at the bottom of the coming correction we'll all recognize how absurd it is that BTC traded at this level.

In The grand theme of things this runup will look like a flat line just a hair above 0

Yeah. Bitcoin is designed to have 2 decimal places, just like the other currencies. They put the extra 6 there just for those with little faith in the beginning.

So we are soon touching $0.0001 per UltimateBitcoin. 1 UBTC = 100 satoshi.

I think the name "great runup" will be reserved for the time when UBTC price goes from .01 to parity with the dollar. Then anyone investing $10k into bitcoin will find himself millionaire!
7680  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 27, 2013, 12:48:22 PM
The rally is actually incredibly muted, for the reason that there exists an unbelievable flock of sheep-bears, who don't know math, and are willing to sell after every tick up.
The various payment processors have to sell bitcoins in increasing volumes as they sign up more merchants who want local currency.

The net effect of that is 0.

So there must be offsetting sellers for the new entrant + doubleup buying pressure.
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