But in a broader sense we would not expect perpetual rise in V to avert deflation because their is simply a practical limit too how fast people can transact. V is not the rate of transactions, it is the "reuse" of the money supply. If Bitcoin were efficient enough (and modified somewhat), a single satoshi could be enough to support all transactions. Increasing the efficiency of the payment system lowers the demand for the currency, and prices rise as a result.
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Following advice from a financial newsletter, I decided to open an account with Coinbase. I listed, and verified, one of my credit cards as a back-up source for transactions funding. I also provided banking information, but didn't verify the account, because the verify transactions hadn't posted yet. Lucky me they weren't. After the credit card was verified, someone went on a shopping spree using that account. ALL transaction were done in CA. I live in NY. I was contacted by the credit card company, and I was were able to stop this. I'm convinced someone at Coinbase IS responsible for this. STAY AWAY as far as you can.
It's not clear which account was hacked. Did they use your bank account, your credit card, or your coinbase account?
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I think the most obvious constraint to its growth will be regulation. Bitcoin is not invulnerable, it could be crippled by regulation.
Regulation is not global.. Unless you ban bitcoin it will keep flourishing in the regions where its not regulated. Flourishing in third world or tiny countries won't mean much if Bitcoin in regulated into obscurity in the first world countries. I also think that it will be challenged by competition in the finance industry. Bitcoin may be good for a lot of things but it isn't necessarily the best choice for everything. It has limitations that other payment systems don't have, and others will take advantage of BItcoin's weaknesses.
Agreed, however keep in mind that the finance industry is happy to take up to 10% from you, bitcoin does things at a fraction of that. The is a whole lot of things that they can do, however now they are forced to innovate rather than to sleep and collect what they have been doing for the past 50 years. (people will become much more aware of cost) I think that many companies could be killed by Bitcoin, but many will survive and compete directly, limiting Bitcoin's market share. 2/3 of bitcoins are hoarded (a recent estimate). When the value finally starts leveling out, those hoarded bitcoins are going to be spent, doubling or tripling the bitcoins in circulation.
These don't all get dumped out at the same time, everyone has their own price, and almost all early adopters understand that dumping a whole lot of coins on the market at once, is gonna sink the price... Someone wanting to purposely hurt bitcoin, could momentarily do so... End of the line, if bitcoins have already been proven valuable it doesn't matter... it will take a little dip and come back up. I'm not talking about dumping. Even a slow controlled release of bitcoins that doubles or triples the amount in circulation will constrain its rise in value. Also, consider that fractional reserve banking will increase the bitcoin money supply by possibly a factor of 10.
Uhh... history has proven that if you give money to a bank that does fractional reserve banking, is that if the bank crashes, you lose your money. I really wouldn't trust my bitcoins to a bank that does fractional reserve banking... And thanks to bitcoin I actually have a choice in that matter. Most people don't understand it as well as you do. Fractional reserve banking with Bitcoin is a certainty. Finally, a major constraint of a bitcoin's value is Bitcoin itself. Bitcoin is much more efficient than other payment systems. Bitcoin's efficiency will increase the velocity of money by many times, perhaps by a factor of 10.
No idea what you are talking about... The fact that bitcoins get transported faster is a good thing right? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Owh and in case you missed it, the price goes up, and transaction volume goes up, while theory would say otherwise. Because Bitcoin is more efficient, less is needed to support a given transaction volume. For example, if a $X is needed to support a certain transaction volume, then only $X/10 worth of bitcoins is needed to support that same transaction volume, so demand for bitcoins won't rise as fast as expected.
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Thesis: In a Bitcoin economy, V may increase faster than M/Q decreases in the equation of exchange, MV = PQ, resulting in rising prices.
For the sake of discussion, let's relax the definitions of inflation and deflation as changes to the money supply, an consider prices instead.
It is said, and generally accepted, that bitcoin is a deflationary currency. The argument is that the money supply is constant or falls slowly while the economy grows. In other words, in the equation of exchange, MV = PQ or P = MV/Q, M will be constant or falling and Q will rise, so P must fall.
Notice that one factor is left out: V, the velocity of money. We are assuming that V is constant, but what if it isn't?
Bitcoin is an efficient payment system, and that is its advantage over the status quo. A direct result of Bitcoin's efficiency will be a rise in V. Furthermore, suppose that Bitcoin's efficiency improves at the rate of Moore's Law, which is at least as fast as the economy will grow. If that is the case, then V will increase faster than M/Q will decrease, and prices will rise.
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Andreas does a great interview, but I think his view that bitcoin will either take over or it will fail is naive. There are many scenarios where it could just end up limping along as a niche product.
I think the most obvious constraint to its growth will be regulation. Bitcoin is not invulnerable, it could be crippled by regulation.
I also think that it will be challenged by competition in the finance industry. Bitcoin may be good for a lot of things but it isn't necessarily the best choice for everything. It has limitations that other payment systems don't have, and others will take advantage of BItcoin's weaknesses.
Also, consider that other factors will reduce the value of a bitcoin despite its adoption:
2/3 of bitcoins are hoarded (a recent estimate). When the value finally starts leveling out, those hoarded bitcoins are going to be spent, doubling or tripling the bitcoins in circulation.
Also, consider that fractional reserve banking will increase the bitcoin money supply by possibly a factor of 10.
Finally, a major constraint of a bitcoin's value is Bitcoin itself. Bitcoin is much more efficient than other payment systems. Bitcoin's efficiency will increase the velocity of money by many times, perhaps by a factor of 10.
So, keeping these factors in mind, if you come up with a prediction of $X, maybe you should divide X by 200 to 300 to get a more realistic value. The Winklevii predict $40k bitcoins, but that prediction is perhaps really $1500 to $2000.
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That guy in the tutu looks awfully familiar. His pass shows a big P and G. I wonder who he could be?
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Summary: I don't know much about bitcoin and I don't like it.
The article is full of FUD, myths, misconceptions, and inaccuracies. It says nothing meaningful. It's not worth anyone's time to read.
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Posted in a few other sections but with no response. Any one know how to create a paper wallet for alt currencies - mainly Anoncoin and Unobtanium? Thanks
A paper wallet is basically a piece of paper with a public address and a private key written on it. If there is no application that will create key pairs for you, then here is a roundabout way. Install a wallet on a computer you don't intend to use and then do a dumpprivkey (assuming it is a bitcoin-qt clone). Then print one of the key pairs on a piece of paper. That should work, but there might be an easier way.
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Destroying fiat money is pointless. The Fed can (and does) create dollars faster than anyone could possibly destroy them.
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I know the whole deal is "solving math problems" so I just liken it to solving crossword puzzles or sudoku when explaning it to my mom ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) The "solving hard math problems" explanation is a stupid analogy. A better analogy is picking lottery numbers, but even that is not really the point. The point of mining is validating transactions.
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Anyways, the confirmation line is in regards to how many confirmations occur for a transaction to be considered complete. In the same sense as Bitcoin's network utilizes 6 confirmations. I have little doubt you know this already though.
I was asking about the confirmation number because its inclusion indicates your level of knowledge. Please read this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Confirmation and this: https://bitcoil.co.il/Doublespend.pdf
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+bitcoin+mining&l=1Maybe that's too basic. Here are your answers: Transactions are added to the block chain a block at a time. When mining in a pool, a successful hash earns you a share of the next block reward that the pool receives. The difficulty is lower, so many hashes are successful even though they don't solve a block. Best share is the one with the lowest hash converted to a difficulty value. You give the mining software the address to receive the reward. Shares that qualify are accepted. Hashes that are out-of-date or invalid are rejected. Mining is all about transaction processing and nothing else.
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This article isn't even remotely related to bitcoin. I wish people would stop posting articles in this forum that don't mention bitcoin.
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Probably the only way to buy with a credit card is to get a cash advance and then buy the bitcoins with cash. Sellers generally don't accept credit cards or paypal because there are too many scammers.
In the U.S., the most convenient sources of bitcoins are Coinbase and LocalBitcoins.
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... Yes, it's expensive at around 0.068 btc per GH/s. I started with a 2 GHs and quickly ramped up to over 12 GHs, just buying and selling and putting all proceeds back in. ... Cloud mining the cex.io way is convenient, instant, and reliable. Yes, did I mention they are expensive? You get what you pay for.
In this case you don't get what you pay for. 1 GH/s is costs 0.0614 right now, and it has not mined 0.0066 BTC since you bought it. You are losing money. At best, trading these shares is a gamble. The price has dropped 75% in just a few months. A few people may have made some money, but everybody else has lost 75%. BTW, the graph at cex.io doesn't go back more than a month back because they don't want you to see how much it is dropping. I have using Cex.io - really hope it does not go down.
Hope is a very poor investment strategy.
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Now I have another question regarding the difficulty: Why does difficulty go up and down on certain alt coins? For example digital coin is changing its difficulty between 5 and 18 up and down.
Miners switch between coins to mine the most profitable ones. If a coin is no longer profitable to mine, then miners will stop mining it and the difficulty goes down. When the coin becomes profitable again, miners start mining it again and the difficulty goes up.
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The answer I was looking for was that there is more processing power required by the higher difficulty level and if that stays the same, it takes longer for the bounty to be paid out.
The difficulty determines the probability of "solving" a block. Your hash rate determines how many solutions you can try over a period of time. If the difficulty goes up and your hash rate stays the same, then the number of times you solve a block goes down. The result is that you make less money over that period of time.
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I believe Quark and Primecoin are CPU-only.
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I don't agree on that point. Bitcoin is a store of value. It doesn't loose its value with time contrary to FIAT money. You cannot get stolen if you use an offline paper wallet. The variation on the short term doesn't matter as long as it get value on long term which is the case.
Yes, but it would lose the value IF the Bitcoin network would stop operating, right? You can't say that bitcoin isn't money because something might happen. The U.S. dollar would no longer be a store of value if someone at the Fed accidentally (or on purpose) pressed a button and increased the money supply by a factor of 100. Does that mean that the dollar is not money?
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