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7901  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: June 27, 2018, 08:00:58 PM
I'm not in Vegas, none of us are in Vegas that's not an excuse.
Where's the ground rent you have to pay and the taxes and the staff that need employing?
Who's a troll, I can't tell anymore. Is it you, is it them, is it wetsuit? You're all just spreading FUD everywhere.

We are not in Vegas but we use the same business model of giving away free stuff to bring customers in. We don't run a massive progressive slot jackpot funded by a 17% edge, we run a faucet, lotto and rewards program funded by a 5% house edge.
 

So like Vegas you're now using plumes of smoke to hide stuff... Shame the forum is without a flashing lights functionality...

In other words you're just avoiding answering me.
7902  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: June 27, 2018, 06:50:24 PM
It ISN'T being run at a loss. If that's what you and wetsuit are saying @thequin then quite frankly you are both lying (though I don't have an algorithm to run through the data and check).

The lottery is run as a loss leader. Most of the tickets are either given away through free rolls or lotto RP bonus or bought with free rolls winnings. As I explained to Kakmakr earlier.

THE LOTTERY IS NOT RUN AT A LOSS. I KNOW YOU DONT HAVE MUCH DATA TO RUN OFF AS YOURE JUST GOING OFF WHAT WETSUIT TELLS YOU.

That's how the site runs. The 5% house edge pays for all the other things that attract users to the site. It's the same model they use in bricks and mortar casinos. If you walk down the Vegas strip you won't see billboards showing how low their house edge is you'll see they compete to have the highest progressive slot jackpot and comps. Free drinks, meals, tickets to a show or a penthouse suite for high rollers. That's a business model that works in the gambling industry and part of the reason why we have a turnover as high or higher than all the 1% house edge crypto casinos.

Vegas casinos run an edge anywhere between 5% and 17% on their most popular games.

broken_record just wants to make a lot of noise and call us out for running a successful casino using the same business model. I've already answered all his bullshit countless times. He just goes back to the start and tries and fails to make the same arguments again.





I'm not in Vegas, none of us are in Vegas that's not an excuse.
Where's the ground rent you have to pay and the taxes and the staff that need employing?
Who's a troll, I can't tell anymore. Is it you, is it them, is it wetsuit? You're all just spreading FUD everywhere.
7903  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: June 27, 2018, 06:43:37 PM

You don't have to lost the multiply game to get tickets, I can get them just by multiplying with a few sats it's not that difficult and you can do the captchas otherwise.

Or you could use your reward points to try to get more tickets per free roll also?

How to get them is not what I was referencing.  It's how the capitol for those free rolls is created.  Free rolls only exist because the dice game causes people to lose on purpose (it's purposefully rigged AGAINST players with a massive 5% house edge).  Therefore those "tickets" are also coming from that massive 5% house edge.  Since the players are the ones footing the bill for the house edge and not Freebitco,  it's the PLAYERS that are losing,  not freebitco.  Wetsuit no longer has his own capitol in the site.  He got that all back years ago.  He started it with 5BTC and has since made that back and then some.  Like.  A LOT of then some.  They might say "Oh but the cost of the servers" yada yada is just utter BS.  I'm a systems administrator and I know that a server only costs $20/month max for a site like this.  The bandwidth wouldnt be all that bad either because it's all text.  No videos, images,  etc.  The cost to pay TheQuinN might be something to consider but unless he's making a few mill/month,  his cost isnt really that much compared to what he site does in profit anyway.  Casinos are extremely profitable.  Thats why they are banned nearly everywhere (including online,  freebitco isnt exactly legal in the US because it does no KYC among other requirements heh) because if they could,  they'd have a casino in every town causing a large percent of the population to become completely poor due to gambling habits.  So if you realize that they are already operating with less than legal/honest status,  you need to question everything else as well.  https://www.gamblingsites.com/online-gambling-jurisdictions/us/  Quite a few states just outright ban online gambling all together regardless (Since that time, state law related to gambling has continued to evolve. Some US states have gone so far as to outlaw online gambling outright. The states of New Jersey and Nevada, for example, have declared that all non-state regulated online gambling is illegal. The other anti-online gaming states outlaw Internet betting in all forms.)

All it would take is for one disgruntled player to contact their state with a complaint and shit would change in a hurry for wetsuit.  This is why I have absolutely NO respect for any illegal online casino (such as freebitco) or anyone who works for one.  I'll abuse them until the cows come home (with my bot of course lol) because I know there is nothing they can do legally about it without getting themselves in hot water as well.  So dont believe anything Wetsuit or TheQuinN have to say.  They are just as much of a crook as any one else doing illegal things.  They dont get to call the kettle a cooking item when they are themselves a stove and will burn you at every opportunity possible.

Report them then?
It would be quite interesting to watch...

And the issue you have is with casino's not this one in general. The 5% house edge is quite high but that's how gambling works, but 5% is EXTREMELY high I'll give you that one.
And the bandwidth thing is right, it probably doesn't take much to run their servers.
7904  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: June 27, 2018, 06:06:03 PM
@broke, every time you click roll you get two free tickets.

Yea but I dont consider those as a "loss" because someone had to deposit and lose in multiply game for me to get those,  so it's not anything freebitco had to fund themselves.  The users of the site fund it,  not freebitco.  Thus freebitco cant claim it as "a loss" to them because it's not.  So thats why I was asking where one could buy tickets for less than 1 sat Smiley (the point is you cant heh).  TheQuinN has a bad habit of trying to paint things in snake oil speak (classic marketer,  he likes to call others snake oily instead of looking in the mirror so I call him snake oil in return lol).  He purposely leaves out important details that users should know

OK. Other than the bit of craziness at the end... Erm what?

You don't have to lost the multiply game to get tickets, I can get them just by multiplying with a few sats it's not that difficult and you can do the captchas otherwise.

Or you could use your reward points to try to get more tickets per free roll also?
7905  Other / Meta / Re: Tool to run online SQL queries over Full Merit Data on: June 27, 2018, 06:01:14 PM
if you didnt block some operations, do it fast
block

- INSERT
- UPDATE
- DELETE

for avoid trolls and vandals

I mean, considering vod's database previously got hacked, I'd be surprised if those commands weren't already blocked.
I was interested in SELECT all query.
Code:
SELECT * FROM MeritData;

And...
This things are getting really interesting for me. May be I want to start learning how to scrape data  Smiley

Good job mate.

PS: It took long time to pull-up the entire table (Letting you know only - hoping you can do something)
I'd suggest against doing this unless you want a copy of the database.
Unless all commands run with more than a few seconds/minutes lag then don't do anything op.
7906  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: June 27, 2018, 05:50:18 PM
Do the satoshis algebraically add up to the number of tickets? This must be set to prevent the lottery from being rigged.

You are right, it is rigged. We giveaway far more tickets than we sell so we run it at a loss. It's rigged in the players' favour every week.

Can that be proven?  I find this an interesting statement.  I pay zero attention to the lottery because it's pointless but saying it runs at a loss is interesting,  I'd like to see how thats calculated.  I took a quick look at last week's Lottery and I see it had 10.50793433BTC worth of tickets (1,050,793,433) sold but it appears that only about 5.13095333 was actually paid out.  That's suspiciously close to the 47.5% rate of the multiply rolls.  So how is the lottery any different.  If 1 ticket == 1 Sat,  then 1,050,793,433 / 100,000,000 == 10.507....  So how do you figure it's run at a loss?  From where I sit,  that looks like a MASSIVE profit to me.  Where can you buy lottery tickets for less than 1sat?  Free rolls dont really count because that capitol was paid for by someone depositing and losing on the dice.  So how can you say you run it at a loss if the capitol you give out was not yours to begin with?

It ISN'T being run at a loss. If that's what you and wetsuit are saying @thequin then quite frankly you are both lying (though I don't have an algorithm to run through the data and check).

I imagine it's probably more like you breakeven on the lottery than don't get a profit from it.

@broke, every time you click roll you get two free tickets.
7907  Other / Meta / Re: Are scam site exposure threads deleted/ on: June 27, 2018, 04:53:53 PM
First Ponzi scheme I can think of from 2015: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072949.0.

There was a group of investors from this forum that out 75+BTC into the site and obviously lost it.
7908  Other / Meta / Re: How does this account have an avatar? on: June 27, 2018, 03:23:45 PM
Why did the 2013 hack stop avatars being removed?

From when it happened:

It was initially suspected by many that the attack was done by exploiting a flaw in SMF which allows you to upload any file to the user avatars directory, and then using a misconfiguration in nginx to execute this file as a PHP script. However, this attack method seems impossible if PHP's security.limit_extensions is set.

It was disabled while they were still investigating the hack and then just never turned back on. Removing avatars is done from the same page as adding one:

Quote
To remove your avatar, submit this form without choosing any file to upload.

If you are not a Full Member or above you can't get to that page. I think it is just how SMF works rather than deliberate. ie the permission setting to add or remove an avatar is the same thing so you can't grant permission to one without the other.

Ahhh so that was why it was done. Just due to SMF being slightly temperamental.
& admins can change sigs if they wish so the avatars can be changed.
7909  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: To newbies and juniors running full nodes. on: June 27, 2018, 11:48:51 AM
So it seems that there aren't any new Bitcoiners that are running full nodes. This is unfortunate if it is a general problem, as we need a supply of fresh nodes to preserve the decentralisation of Bitcoin. Running a pruned node is not so much of a hardship, but downloading the blockchain is a bit of a barrier. I'll see if I can think of a way to avoid having to do this.

I was hoping to find a solution to that also though I'm still waiting for my chain to download (I'm about 50 weeks behind). On my slow laptop, I have to say that I'm finding it an issue to keep it running - the full blockchain should be there in a few weeks. I'm using a 500GB HDD, my dbcache is 2gb with 4gb RAM and a dual core 2.5GHz processor.

@,jet cash, the download speed is A LOT faster now than it previously was when I  and probably you first installed it.



Bump!
7910  Economy / Lending / Re: need 3$ BTC on: June 27, 2018, 11:24:21 AM
posting here and lending $3 worth w/o collateral isn't a wise idea specially when you are still a newbie.  you risked you reputation by doing that.  you are lucky someone helped you out.  wouldn't it be better to get that $3 out of you own wallet?  or get it from relatives/friends?


While its nice to help people, I would usually not suggest doing it when someone new asking for a loan with no collateral because then more people will expect the same or maybe think its free money (especially since OP claimed to only need it for a hour or so but it been about a day since he received it).

1. It's only been about half a day.
2. If the money doesn't return, that's not really an issue for me.
3. $3 here and there isn't bad to get a my bi-annual newbie test.
4. There is not reason for either of you two to weigh in here.
5. If you go to all the effort of sending screenshots of transactions you have done to someone via pm and post here quite a few times to scam someone out of $3 then you must be really desperate and poor so the money has gone to do some good.


You are right with most of your points but the truth is that not everyone plans to scam from the begining. This ideea usually occurs after someone obtained the funds and has no incentive to pay back.

Also, in most cases, the money that he received didn't do any good in the long run, because the person saw that it's possible to get money and never pay back and start pursuing this road. In the end will not end well.

Thanks for that piece of useless logic also.
There's not much point in any of you three posting here however. The fact that these requests don't come up so often is one of the reasons I may find them along with "evidence" op sent via PM.
I'd hope someone's conscience should force them to repay but apparently I'm judging people poorly.
If you want to reply to this DO SO VIA PM.

It may be useless in your opinion but it may help others with far less experience.

I can see that you know exactly what you are doing and you have calculated the risk so the point of my posting was not targeted at you, but, as I said, to others less experienced in lending. It seems that you felt offended somehow by my post and overreacted, but, by all means I didn't told you what to do or not to do. I just explained the mentality and behavior in a specific scam case (don't missunderstand and think that I'm refering to this case exactly, I'm reffering to this exact situation where a scam may occur).

You have the right of your own opinion, but if by my posting I help at least one person to avoid beying scamed, then I don't see it as useless nor as with "not much point".

Also, I have no reason to reply to this VIA PM, because I don't want to start a debate about this. You are entitled to your oponion and I am entitled to mine. In no way I want to convince you to agree with me, but there is no need to use words like "useless" and "not much point".

People should have intelligence to know that if you giveout free money, you probably won't get repaid.

I have to say, I only wanted to give this loan because I was trying to combine a lot of inputs I have into one large one so it costs less to spend if the network gets a large volume in the blockchain again.

I'm also more referring to jonsi who seemed to suggest the OP shouldn't pay back because he has no reason to. As OP was probably not convinced on a possibility of actually repaying, something like that would rationalise it for them.



I didn't say your point was useless, I said posting logic is
7911  Other / Meta / Re: How does this account have an avatar? on: June 26, 2018, 06:45:06 PM
You could use an avatar at any rank back in the old days.

OP added his avatar when it was possible for him.

That was before the 2013 forum hack. That also means it is impossible for them to remove that avatar. In this case, that means they are most likely stuck with someone else's photo.
I think a PM to theymos/Cyrus or probably a global mod would allow for the image to be removed.

Why did the 2013 hack stop avatars being removed?
7912  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: June 26, 2018, 04:43:10 PM
Hmm, I never seem to have any luck with the lottery here even when I have a lot of tickets. I have been in here since 2015 and in that time I haven't won a single prize so my luck is very bad lol I don't mind as I know winning any lottery is very hard with the massive odds against us but it would of been nice to at least win something in the 3 years I've been in here.

I'm the same. Registered three years ago just before making this bitcointalk account and still haven't won anything. Even winning the smallest prize there would be quite a nice change.

Hopefully the build up for both of us is that we're going to win the top prize instead at some point.

Same with me, no luck in FreeBitco.in lottery. I don't remember when I registered (and I couldn't find the info in my profile) but it's been quite some time. Smiley I'm not sure I have the right to complain though. I've spent 0.00009754 BTC on lottery tickets during the whole time. I even spent more on jackpots, 0.00025109 BTC, which I haven't hit either. Smiley 

Nevertheless I enjoy visiting the site because it's free and it's fast, and there's always a chance to win $200 in freerolls or even much more in the lottery.

You are 100% correct, you do not have the right to complain about NOT winning the lottery, with a combined total of 9754

 tickets bought for the lottery. Have you worked out what your odds are with 9754 tickets on a Lottery that sells over

1,000,000,000 per week? Like you said, just enjoy the site and write the experience off as entertainment and you never

know, one day might just be your lucky day.  Wink

I mean that's not just 9754 tickets as free rolls are included also.
7913  Economy / Lending / Re: need 3$ BTC on: June 26, 2018, 04:40:05 PM
posting here and lending $3 worth w/o collateral isn't a wise idea specially when you are still a newbie.  you risked you reputation by doing that.  you are lucky someone helped you out.  wouldn't it be better to get that $3 out of you own wallet?  or get it from relatives/friends?


While its nice to help people, I would usually not suggest doing it when someone new asking for a loan with no collateral because then more people will expect the same or maybe think its free money (especially since OP claimed to only need it for a hour or so but it been about a day since he received it).

1. It's only been about half a day.
2. If the money doesn't return, that's not really an issue for me.
3. $3 here and there isn't bad to get a my bi-annual newbie test.
4. There is not reason for either of you two to weigh in here.
5. If you go to all the effort of sending screenshots of transactions you have done to someone via pm and post here quite a few times to scam someone out of $3 then you must be really desperate and poor so the money has gone to do some good.


You are right with most of your points but the truth is that not everyone plans to scam from the begining. This ideea usually occurs after someone obtained the funds and has no incentive to pay back.

Also, in most cases, the money that he received didn't do any good in the long run, because the person saw that it's possible to get money and never pay back and start pursuing this road. In the end will not end well.

Thanks for that piece of useless logic also.
There's not much point in any of you three posting here however. The fact that these requests don't come up so often is one of the reasons I may find them along with "evidence" op sent via PM.
I'd hope someone's conscience should force them to repay but apparently I'm judging people poorly.
If you want to reply to this DO SO VIA PM.
7914  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: June 26, 2018, 12:09:28 PM
Hmm, I never seem to have any luck with the lottery here even when I have a lot of tickets. I have been in here since 2015 and in that time I haven't won a single prize so my luck is very bad lol I don't mind as I know winning any lottery is very hard with the massive odds against us but it would of been nice to at least win something in the 3 years I've been in here.

I'm the same. Registered three years ago just before making this bitcointalk account and still haven't won anything. Even winning the smallest prize there would be quite a nice change.

Hopefully the build up for both of us is that we're going to win the top prize instead at some point.

You are calling that bad luck, while what happens is that it is the most likely scenario. The vast majority of people play the lottery for their whole lives and they never hit the jackpot.

Ever the optimist aren't we? (Lol).
And @thequin was right, the lol was implied before.
7915  Economy / Lending / Re: need 3$ BTC on: June 25, 2018, 12:21:55 PM
posting here and lending $3 worth w/o collateral isn't a wise idea specially when you are still a newbie.  you risked you reputation by doing that.  you are lucky someone helped you out.  wouldn't it be better to get that $3 out of you own wallet?  or get it from relatives/friends?


While its nice to help people, I would usually not suggest doing it when someone new asking for a loan with no collateral because then more people will expect the same or maybe think its free money (especially since OP claimed to only need it for a hour or so but it been about a day since he received it).

1. It's only been about half a day.
2. If the money doesn't return, that's not really an issue for me.
3. $3 here and there isn't bad to get a my bi-annual newbie test.
4. There is not reason for either of you two to weigh in here.
5. If you go to all the effort of sending screenshots of transactions you have done to someone via pm and post here quite a few times to scam someone out of $3 then you must be really desperate and poor so the money has gone to do some good.
7916  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcoin Pizza Day - Why old members are no longer active here on: June 25, 2018, 12:34:36 AM
perfect example being Shorena/Mexxer-2.

I think they're both still here aren't they?
When I started, Mexxer-2 wasn't posting so much it was only about 2016 I think when I started noticing their posts/name.
Shorena also was involved quite heavily in the technical discussion board but I think DannyHammilton took over from them along with a few others (hcp, tryninja, thirdspace - and I when I found an empty thread).
7917  Other / Meta / Re: [Request] [Report to moderator] Limit unhandled reports to the last week. on: June 25, 2018, 12:13:18 AM
I get the same issue but for me it's not an issue.

I know I have 10 that are premenantly unhandled, the rest are the ones that are waiting to be handled or a report that is right but a moderator doesn't see it fit to remove that post.
7918  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: June 25, 2018, 12:00:45 AM
Hmm, I never seem to have any luck with the lottery here even when I have a lot of tickets. I have been in here since 2015 and in that time I haven't won a single prize so my luck is very bad lol I don't mind as I know winning any lottery is very hard with the massive odds against us but it would of been nice to at least win something in the 3 years I've been in here.

I'm the same. Registered three years ago just before making this bitcointalk account and still haven't won anything. Even winning the smallest prize there would be quite a nice change.

Hopefully the build up for both of us is that we're going to win the top prize instead at some point.
7919  Economy / Lending / Re: need 3$ BTC on: June 24, 2018, 11:46:34 PM
Funds sent:
https://btc.com/82ccc4a4284119126218dcd11511b4932f97e3a4fa8b5f0d4153405855ce0572

Please return 0.0005BTC if possible to: 13yJptq5EhUekbsTVPP6BdZPA4daJBCGgK when you want to repay.
7920  Economy / Lending / Re: need 3$ BTC on: June 24, 2018, 11:26:39 PM
Since you have been waiting almost four hours to get this filled, is it not possible to continue waiting until you get the eth through - or is that not possible?
i have paypal at the moment if you want to make a exchange though, 2.85$ paypal F&F (me going first) for 2$ btc.

I don't have paypal though and even if I did it woudn't be particularly good becuase it is reversible.

I'll send you the full 0.000489BTC anyway though if you can post your address?
Pay me back if you can, if not, I have done something to help someone here.
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