I don't have another account.  Maybe one from 2011 but I can't remember the username.  Who do you think I am?

I worked on alternative currencies from 2007-2009 with cryptoanarchist and a famous bitcoin person who owns a jet -

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14775

In 2009, I went to Salt Lake City to visit a mine with cryptoanarchist and for the owner of Mulligan Mint (the Dallas RCO).  There I met a person who told me something related to gauge symmetries.

From Lex Fridman's podcast with Eric Weinstein, gauge symmetries and bitcoin 2/22/21-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifX_JnBfxTY&t=7411s

In March 2008, I responded to my mysterious Japanese friend's questions about what is the ideal money.  I explained standard philosophies, then I mentioned gauge symmetries. 

mysterious Japanese friend

I have some experience in non-traditional intelligence networks and financial investigations.

I also joined Liberty Dollar and Freedom Force International in 1999.  I later worked with the Denver RCO and Dallas RCO.  The Denver RCO also joined Liberty Dollar when he was young and met G. Edward Griffin.

I was involved in alternative currencies for years before bitcoin and later in libertarian circles in Colorado.  I discussed bitcoin-like ideas in early 2008 with people affiliated with the Sovereign Individual (1997) book.

In 2005, I created a website called UnitedElite.net where I promoted 5 steps to practical globalization.  This site was published in a question I sent to Thomas PM Barnett's newsletter in May 2005, which is widely read by the Intelligence Community-

http://web.archive.org/web/20050528005454/http://unitedelite.net/globalization.html

The 5th step: "Evolve the banking system to a global currency with intrinsic value and with individual economic value in the respective country."  

In January 2008, I met an interesting Japanese man at an ice cream social I was hosting for a Ron Paul campaign event in Colorado.  His friend and him were very into the Sovereign Individual.  And his friend had an interesting and radical view of consciousness.  A few months later, the Japanese guy read a blog I wrote on global currency in 2007 and emailed me asking me for detailed answers on "what is money" and other interesting questions.

He is the one who got me thinking about the issuance of currencies.  He was skeptical of gold and instead said the global currency should be volatile to showcase the threats from collectivist forces.  He also basically predicted decentralized finance and individual currencies.  But he said it would be perhaps a few hundred years before individuals would be able to issue their own currencies.  To be clear, we never discussed cryptographic-based currencies.

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Before I continue, please read Gün's great article below.

Logical Fallacies in the Hunt for Satoshi by Emin Gün Sirer 5/4/16 https://hackingdistributed.com/2016/05/04/logical-fallacies-hunt-satoshi

The most likely scenario is that the BitCoin project emerged from a NSA/SAD project.  The purpose of the project has nothing to do with finance, banks, currencies or surveillance.  It has to do with gauge symmetries.

A potential reason for Joseph Vaughn Perline's statements and Gavin Andresen's endorsement is because they have been lied to by credible people with an ulterior motive.  Or they think they're aware of a 'secret program' involving bitcoin and the Intelligence Community.  But whatever information or program they think existed, is false.

As ridiculous as it sounds, the way Craig Wright talks is very much like a 'plausible denial intelligence asset'.  Or otherwise, a bombastic egotistical person who has a friend that works for an intelligence agency.  The intelligence agency can provoke the bombastic personality via other channels, and get them to misrepresent facts or disclose classified information, in a chaotic but completely independent way.

Craig Wright talking about NSA, intelligence and Ross Ulbricht  4/27/2019 https://streamable.com/9y4maa Craig Wright: Mentions Ross Ulbricht then says: "Unless you have the conspiracy theory that the government and the banks are conspiring to make me Satoshi.  Never know, that will come next, it's a CIA plot, [more seriously] I mean there's maybe a SAD group, Special Activities Division, it's a SAD group, just one Satoshi yeah, haha" https://streamable.com/642fnh

Craig Wright had no involvement in bitcoin or the Satoshi Nakamoto group.  Craig and David Kleiman's early knowledge of bitcoin was random luck-

https://twitter.com/jimmy007forsure/status/1141305547158724608

So who is Satoshi Nakamoto?  Who wrote the whitepaper, the emails and the posts?

And if bitcoin is a project of the Special Activities Center (SAC/SAD), what's the reason?

No, that would clearly mean another change of ownership, so they could have bought it, hacked it, socially-engineered customer support or used other means to get ahold of the email account.

OTOH, wouldn't Satoshi periodically delete emails anyway if he was really privacy-conscious?

Yeah, shame on me for being lazy and not linking it.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.647.1.pdf   Items 319, 341.

Hopefully the communication between Wright and Andresen gets made public.

Kinda crazy that Wright is objecting to it on grounds of it being inauthentic, among other things.

There is a possibility that either CSW or one of his associates were able to hack/take over Satoshi's email accounts and use the info to fool Gavin by referencing the messages the two exchanged in the past.

I've considered that-- esp since we know the account was compromised at one point, but if that happened you would have expected gavin to say that Wright knew about that stuff and AFAIK he never did.

One thing people don't know is that the idiots at the bitcoin foundation named 'satoshi' a board member (without his consent, obviously) and as a result copied the satoshi mailbox on all their board communication.  So perhaps there was an opportunity for a hacker to exploit that information without directly showing that they were aware of it----

At least three BCF board members were bamboozled by (or complicit with) wright, now this might be because BCF's composition was unusually rich in idiots and scoundrels but it could also be because after monitoring years of their presumed private communication wright knew exactly which buttons to press for each person and was able to hack their confidence by echoing their own opinions back to them.

Thank you gmaxwell for providing the contract information. Reading what you and dkbit98 said about the relationship between the three wild cat I think it could be the plan between them (Gavin, Ver and Craig) just to play with the mind of crypto currency enthusiast maybe they will succeed. Besides, Ver once make a statement this year that "I cant believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin"  so it loom like a group plan and the last time I check Gavin is the only one I know that could have the knowledge to be yhe brain of Craig.

Yeah, shame on me for being lazy and not linking it.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.647.1.pdf   Items 319, 341.

Hopefully the communication between Wright and Andresen gets made public.

Kinda crazy that Wright is objecting to it on grounds of it being inauthentic, among other things.

Dunno why you'd assume it was hard.

Turns out Andresen had a contract with Wright-- it's one of the pieces of evidence in the florida trial, but Wright is trying to get it suppressed.   It will be interesting to find out what it says.

we won, but lets not make that same mistake as last time.
I for one am selling my 26 bitcoins and laughing at the buyers to be honest

Well, if one is rich enough and mad enough, he can ask for having built something like Voyager probes and launch it to the void  
Or one can mix the gold with aqua regia and probably throw away the result (but I have enough knowledge on the matter).
The result would be pretty much the same  

Well, if one is rich enough and mad enough, he can ask for having built something like Voyager probes and launch it to the void  Wink
Or one can mix the gold with aqua regia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_regia) and probably throw away the result (but I have enough knowledge on the matter).
The result would be pretty much the same

For the sake of analogy, just think on what banks do with gold.
Do they use it to manufacture good electric conductors? Do they manufacture jewelry? No, clearly no.
They simply store it as a "store of value" because it's known that gold doesn't change its properties and it's believed that gold is scarce.
If the banks would sell all the gold staying for no actual use, it may not be any longer such highly valuable.

Now Bitcoin. It clearly doesn't change its properties and it's known for sure it's scarce. So it already becomes something better than gold, exactly for store of value.
The fact it can be also used like a coin makes it even more suitable for the job.
What else it gives value? Its security. Unlike banks that have to pay for heavily guarded storage, you can hide billions on a piece of paper, knowing that the underlying math and the huge mining difficulty makes it a safe asset (as long as you know how to keep safe the information from "that piece of paper").

And same goes with Bitcoin as with gold. The price is high because of the demand. If there will no longer be demand, if whales sell, the price can also fall.
The "digital gold" choice of words is pretty well chosen and tells a lot.

reverse engineering to your pc

maybe we can get access to hacker server and steal all he have

since i am security expert i can easily find how your funds gone

do you have a telegram ID? Message me, I might be able to track who holds your funds now. Cannot guarantee anything yet though.

Here is ATL each year from 2012-2020

Year   Price
2012    $4.00
2013    $65.00
2014    $200.00
2015    $185.00
2016    $365.00
2017    $780.00
2018    $3,200.00
2019    $3,400.00
2020    $3,780.00
2021   

I have two predictions...

2021    $7,786.00        <----- average of ATL  since 2014


2021    $14,477.40      <----- average of ATL since 2012

Is that a good way Bitcoin could end up though? If Bitcoin cannot scale to sustain this much load and ends up with a huge exodus of users because of it, then it'll fail as the currency/asset we currently want it to be. Remember that the number of people using BTC around the world is still very, very low. Over the years, if the number grows, then it'll just be today's issue but only worse.

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As one of the co-hosts on the show, she was introduced to Bitcoin by Gavin Andresen who had begun to promote Satoshi Nakamoto’s fledgling project to libertarian activists.

Here is a very quick rundown (for those of you that did not have the pleasure of being around in 2015) of the “version of events” that most people seem to believe:

    Craig contacts Bitcoin Belle in early 2015. Convinces her that he is Satoshi. The two begin a relationship of sorts.
    Bitcoin Belle introduces Craig to a bunch of other influencers and uses her own credibility in the space to get him onto panels and conferences. People like John Matonis, Roger Ver and Gavin Andresen believe Craig is Satoshi and risk their reputations to support him.
    Craig drops Bitcoin Belle once he has enough contacts and introductions. The two stop speaking until Bitcoin Belle arranges a panel event later that year with a host of big names including Nick Szabo, who until that point had not made a public appearance in forever.
    Craig takes the bait, accepts a place on the panel but does not use the conference to announce himself as Satoshi. Bitcoin Belle does not press further with her questions (perhaps still believing he might be Satoshi) and Nick Szabo only has a limited tussle with Craig much to Bitcoin Belle’s chagrin.
    Craig Wright once he has seduced enough of the community eventually announces himself as Satoshi … but as mentioned earlier, the proof he provides is found to be not sufficient and as a result the community turns on him and Bitcoin Belle for facilitating his introduction.