Well by defn, the BUYERS of PRISTINE BTC want to be anonymous, what would the point of seller bring GOV to their attention? NADA

The BUYER must be assured that NOBODY knows they're even talking to seller, but here's the deal, say you mine BTC, why would you sell at face value and cash-out at public price, when you could get +2X from a money laundering rich guy?

In the MAFIA world, they want to hold wealth that NOBODY can ever know they have it, what better way than to hold the private keys to PRISTINE BITCOIN, ... very valauble shit it is,

To answer your question, yep lets see craiglist ... "Attention Ex-CIA WetOP Killers and sex slavery auctioneers, I have pristine BTC's for sale, please contact nimbo@gmail.com, and make offer", ... yep this would be called a HONEY TRAP

The way it works is you have to deal with the BIGGEST mining firms on earth, and tap into those anonymous bitcoins that are found all the time, funny how that is that china does 90% of the mining, but majority of found blocks are found by anonymous

There is NO point of owning BITCOIN if the COIN is not pristine, cuz once its used, it can be tracked, and it has been tracked, and most likely cracked once they have the public-key post use

Even the NSA can crack BTC's that have been used, but PRISTINE coin's have no reference, I don't even try to crack pristine coin, too many unknowns, in the eqns to solve

Talk directly with Chinese ASIC firms that mine it, ... very big premium for non-traceable btc-blocks, that are never seen by GOV,

I would suspect that if you had to ask you wouldn't know, perhaps you should buy 1,000 ant-miner s-9's and collect some yourself?

Just bare in mind, that pristine BTC's are worth much more than used, or stolen

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In switzerland there are the bitcoin banks in the mountains gaurding priv-keys in cold storage, u think those not be pristine btc?

One of the main reasons price goes up is these blocks found every 10 minutes, ... are kept by private collectors, highly coveted money by money laundering organizations, think HSBC

what tier do you buy?

1, 2, or 3?

Mining for 1 is easy, and mining for 3 is easy, but harder as you must roll your own code, and know the discrete math, I see the idiots "non technical' ppl doing #2

If you can't mine it, then run algos to crack it, but never put in real cash,..

Well that is the problem, the TECH has already failed, but the newbs didn't get the memo.

The sky has been falling on the BTC tech-failure since 2012

What kind of catastrophic failure? Me thinks a massive orchestrated transfer of coins, by the broken ecdsa sig algo, then core will patch code, and roll out a new sig algo, it will take weeks and exchanges will panic,

Transpire something like this it will,

GOV doesn't collapse overnight, etiher will BTC

Collapse will be slow, years to zero, maybe in ten years ppl will still use it, there will be BTC collectors, but majority 99% of our day trading parasites will have moved on  to a new host

SO wait, they GUY who gave us PAYPAL

Who owns PALANTIR the software used by CIA to track bitcoin transactions

So he has invested in his own child?

Give us some news pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze

Ripple is NOT minable, so what's the  comparison?

Given Ripple must be bought it means NO privacy, it means that 100% ownership is tracked by GOV since birth, what's the point of this?

ONLY one point comes to mind, a replacement for US Dollar could be ripple, so replace one shit fiat, for another, good game,

If it can't be mined, then its ownership aint' private, then its not a crypto,

What the hell is RIPPLE? Its a shit-token, and its worth is less than shit

I give it about two more years, unless there is a major rewrite, and sha256, and secp256k1 are flushed out and replaced by secure algo's

Same now as the SDR its worth about $50k USD, and only banks can exchange an SDR, BTC could end up the same, a financial 'currency' so that elite can move/store wealth, but hardly a currency for day-traders or toilet stall cleaners

BITCOIN is a parking-lot for rich ppl, its a place to park your wealth until the smoke clears,

Everybody knows the reset is coming ( US DOLLAR  COLLAPSE ), and nobody knows where it will be safe to live in future ( post war ), so now safest bet is crypto, so when you flee your country, you don't have to carry 100LBS of gOLD

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BITCOIN even in CHINA is called the "currency of the gods", it was never intended to be used as pocket change to enter a toilet in china or india, BTC is a safe haven for the rich, and that's the way the elite will keep it!

The world's poor, is best kept poor, and the elite want nothing more

CHINA is 90% of the BITCOIN mining, worldwide, most of these pristine mined coins are sold at 10X face value to anonymous investors ( chinese billionaires ), why perpetuate the myth that CHINA ain't involved, hell BITCOIN is china, like it or not.

99% of all BTC's mined, are mined by ANT-MINERS, a CHINESE Firm, like it or not.

China has cheapest electricity on earth, free to mining billionaires,


CHINA never banned BTC, they banned ICO's that were stealing from old ppl, they shutdown exchanges that were selling alt-shit-coins

Hal is dead, so its the perfect GOV foil, to place BTC on a dead-man, who himself admitted prior to death that "HE WAS NOT NAsh-Sakamota"

Near death interview, why would Hal deny it? Fear of what upon his death?

There are many people suspected, but BTC is clearly an NSA operation that involved many ppl

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Most interesting is that the day NAsh-Sakamota dissapeared, is the same day first-gen 'team core' met at CIA HQ, ... funny how that worked out

Once BTC caught the eye of CIA, NSA was done, they knew CIA ( idiots ) would take over BTC raise it as their own.

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PPL who want to know the real, go to thepiratebay.org, and download the torrent 'bitcoin papers/btc email log 2009-2011, those entire two years all NAsh-Sak notes are saved from the crypto-blog, read carefully learn something about the real early history of BTC, not the fabled bullshit taught on this forum by day-trading myth-makers.

NAshamoka Satoshi is NSA, and the NSA doesn't bring 'gifts', they bring handcuff's, BTC white-paper was a 'cookbook'

"How to Cook Man" - NSA 1996, 2009 "How to Make a Mint"

"Good Technology" that's a good one, got to leave it to the none-coders to call a 'hack' as 'good technology',

I think it was better to quote 'death & taxes' from this forum, "NAsh-Sak" was neither a crypto-man, or a very good coder, the explanation for BTC CORE 1.0 is that it was deliberately created by a team of engineers with an explicit goal.

All algo's used were NSA proprietary, and weak ones at that,

Most troubling is that NAsh-Sak's 'white paper' is a mirror image of the NSA-1996 doc "How to make a mint", yet NAsh-Sak fails to credit the 1996 paper, in his 2009 white-paper. Got to wonder why, if he wasn't NSA then he would have had no problem, after all he used NSA SHA256, yet his doc is a copy of a NSA doc with no credit, only one explanation, he didn't want people to connect the dots that it was an NSA operation.

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Lastly, go to google-youtube, search the Hal Finney interview before he died, he had no reason near death to not admit if he was, he was not, and he said he was "NOT".

I have tried, but will try again

There are 3 types of BTC

1.) Pristine blocks, never used, clean for virgin these are worth +10X of FMV, this is the shit that CHINESE miners sell to MAFIA

2.) Normal BTC's that you buy for $100 on your credit card from exchange, these are used BTC's

3.) STOLEN BTC, scammed BTC's, BTC involved in CRIME; Gov already knows they keep a list of all these coins, they have 20% of FMV cuz they're hot, but there are buyers, there are always buyers

To say that BTC type "HOT" Address # should be in a database is a joke, its been done, its just that its a LEXIS-NEXUS service available to GOV & RICH ppl who are willing to pay for this info.

I have tried, but will try again

There are 3 types of BTC

1.) Pristine blocks, never used, clean for virgin these are worth +10X of FMV, this is the shit that CHINESE miners sell to MAFIA

2.) Normal BTC's that you buy for $100 on your credit card from exchange, these are used BTC's

3.) STOLEN BTC, scammed BTC's, BTC involved in CRIME; Gov already knows they keep a list of all these coins, they have 20% of FMV cuz they're hot, but there are buyers, there are always buyers

To say that BTC type # should be in a database is a joke, its been done, its just that its a LEXIS-NEXUS service available to GOV & RICH ppl who are willing to pay for this info.

This is exactly how it all ends, say I run my home-rolled block-chain parser, and collect all pristine coin address, then I NARC to the black-list authoriity's, I say that these 'addresses' are used for child-porn, BINGO now I can lock down any address/coin I want,...

This is how it always ends, the "ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS"

But as soon as you black-list btc addresses, then it will be misused

Besides you think GOV doesn't already do this? They have done it with silk road, ... there are dozens of companys that trace BTC addresses, and know all that is linked back to 'dark-web' transactions, GOV isnt' stupid every state in the USA is looking for 'tax evaders', and wants to prove that those $10Million USD are in their jurisdiction, what better way for GOV to fuck HODLER's than to MARK accounts 'as' BAD, and then hold them as BAD until the idiot gives 90% to GOv.

Shit like this is how they will force HODLER cold-storage coins into the system, ...

All going according to plan,

Lastly, how could a 'pristine' never used coin, but used for CP? It couldn't logically as by defn, it was never used, but then nobody said that FEAR&GREED was going to be logical.

So far we have had 3 stages of BTC, birth, growing pains, and rocket-ship

2009-2010 was birth of btc, hackers, crackers & anarchists, tinkered and bought pizza, 2013 was a 2nd layer adoption year, early scammers entered and ran up on new sucker money, and 2017 was third wave, with serious exchange outfits bring in 10's of 1,000's of suckers to fleece

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The parabolic problem is the real danger point, nothing in human history goes parabolic, without coming back down, ( 2017 btc went parabolic )

There is a real problem with BTC, is that 300+ Billion is capitlized, with no hope of exit, for now its a real nice way to launder and hide wealth for the coming collapse of US-DOLLAR/EMPIRE/GOV, but say the collapse does come and all of a sudden all the HODLER's since 2009 come forward, where r the buyers?

Much of 2017 was an ASIAN trading frenzy, and they're fickle,

The biggest wild-card in my humble opinion will be the inflection point where its common knowledge how to crack ECDSA, then CORE will have to either move fast, or a new-alt will be waiting to take up the flow, but for certain there will be a HUGE exit from BTC

The thing is despite lies and BULLSHIT which is 100% of what BTC is about, the thing is NOT long term secure, NSA doesn't issue public algos where they don't hold the key, they're not going to let this thing stay this way forever, as we go into 10 years, with the same ALGO, and CORE stays conservative, the thing is heading over a cliff

I'm assuming there will be a BTC 3.0, a third party not of core, or ethereum, not Monero, or the z-(coinzionist) family of coin, there must be some new real coin that is secure, and anonymous to become the BTC 3.0, and right now I don't see it out there.

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Smartest thing to do is diversify into solid secure coin that have known good ppl running them, CORE simply can't keep patching the one-trick pony forever, I don't see a valid BTC 2.0, and 1.0 has run its life cycle, we need to jump to BTC 3.0, but it needs to have NO NSA algo's, it needs to be super-secure and unhackable for another 20+ years

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BTC block-chain is just a bunch of SHIT glued toether, lots of retards talk about 'math', or other bullshit, or limited coin, but hell there are a 1,000 clones that are ignored that all diminish the value of the ONE CLASSIC BITCOIN

Now that BTC is ten years old, its code is like dinosaur shit, its legs are based on NSA algo's that even the NSA say's are 'dated' The minions just keep marching on based on the MYTH that an anoymous NSA engineer name "NAkamoto Satoshi" was INFALLIBLE, yep right,....

BTC was designed to be hacked, it was designed to create crypto, a cash-less new world order, where gov could control everybody on earth 24/7

BTC was designed so they could PULL THE PLUG anytime they wish, just in time to REPLACE it with a "SUPER GOOD CRYPTO", that they most likely have in the 'waiting'

Given that nobody in the public has created a BTC 2.0/3.0, and given that 99% of the CLONES are just lazy cut&paste copy of btc 1.0 2009 source, it  fairly obvious that BTC 3.0 can ONLY come from GOV, and will never come from open-source community, given that especially most open-source now coming out from the mining communtiy it no longer open, but is compiled and collects taxs/fees on it use, the BTC environ has KILLED the very open-source environ that open-source was supposed to resolve

The early egalitarian nature of BTC is GONE, now BTC is 99.9% day-trading selfish assholes as seen on this blog.

I think your right, 2013 was a 2nd layer adoption year, and 2017 was third, early adoption (2010) was still rare,

The parabolic problem is the real danger point, nothing in human history goes parabolic, without coming back down, ( 2017 btc went parabolic )

There is a real problem with BTC, is that 300+ Billion is capitlized, with no hope of exit, for now its a real nice way to launder and hide wealth for the coming collapse of US-DOLLAR/EMPIRE/GOV, but say the collapse does come and all of a sudden all the HODLER's since 2009 come forward, where r the buyers?

Much of 2017 was an ASIAN trading frenzy, and they're fickle,

The biggest wild-card in my humble opinion will be the inflection point where its common knowledge how to crack ECDSA, then CORE will have to either move fast, or a new-alt will be waiting to take up the flow, but for certain there will be a HUGE exit from BTC

The thing is despite lies and BULLSHIT which is 100% of what BTC is about, the thing is NOT long term secure, NSA doesn't issue public algos where they don't hold the key, they're not going to let this thing stay this way forever, as we go into 10 years, with the same ALGO, and CORE stays conservative, the thing is heading over a cliff

I'm assuming there will be a BTC 3.0, a third party not of core, or ethereum, not Monero, or the z-(coinzionist) family of coin, there must be some new real coin that is secure, and anonymous to become the BTC 3.0, and right now I don't see it out there.

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Smartest thing to do is diversify into solid secure coin that have known good ppl running them, CORE simply can't keep patching the one-trick pony forever, I don't see a valid BTC 2.0, and 1.0 has run its life cycle, we need to jump to BTC 3.0, but it needs to have NO NSA algo's, it needs to be super-secure and unhackable for another 20+ years

Not much is mentioned, but let's talk about tiers of BTC, most people are buying the 'used' BTC the stuff that trades in exchange over&over, but criminal GOV's are paying 10X for the mined stuff that has no record, you buy it directly from the chinese mining firms and pay cash, no record of it ever being transferred, escrow keys are transferred to new owner, and multiple keys are required, but essentially clean PRISTINE bitcoins that are mined and never used in the blockchain have TREMENDOUS black market value, this keeps the price UP as most new blocks are sold to black-market high price 'investors', where GOV can never know owner, or most likely GOV is the owner.

Second tier is the shit ppl buy with their $100 cash/credit card, normal used bitcoins

The the third tier is the hot-shit that must be tumbled, and mixed in with the used. Say I crack a 1,000 BTC account, figure out its private keys using my favorite ALGO, and I transfer (sweep) those coins into a fresh random private-key/address, but then what? Well I can't cash out, cuz the owner of that $10Million USD is looking for his money back, so what do I do? Well U go to the black-market and you find a BUYER of 'hot-coin', perhaps you only get 20% on the dollar, but still good, new owner can take risk, if its in a jurisidction of friendly GOV, then they can 'launder' the hot btc, or tumble it with exchange coins,  a little guy can't really clean hot-coin, but like HSBC most real money laundering is done by BIG-BANKS, same with BTC, the exchanges and gov-banks can launder the hot BTC,

Just to think about "Not ALL BTC are equal", also note that your btc, may not be worth what you paid, for majority of here doesn't matter they don't BUY a block of 12.5 BTC and paycash on black market, but I think that many ppl are buying hot-coins that are resold to the suspicious exchange sites.

HODLERS are the biggest problem at the moment, that's why they brought out non-minable tokens, when the entry to crypto is via a bank/exchange, then they know who has wealth to steal

But HODLERS hold pristine BTC, which is untrackable, thus the BIG PUSH is to get ppl to bring their btc out of cold storage, like these forks and giving out free coin, it just gets BTC out of cold storage and into the ledger so they know who owns what,

Once they have full knowledge of most BTC, they will bless it, but for now, they're still trying to figure out how to track 100% of ownership of all crypto