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81  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: A Bitcoin Mining Company - SkepsiDyne Integrated Node on: June 08, 2011, 12:37:22 PM
Update: Today is a good day, we've successfully gotten all seven rigs up and running!  Tomorrow we will be migrating from btcmine.com to other pools (mining simultaneously on more than one pool with each card.)  I will also be continuing work on a cooling system to allow for better overclocking.

Once again, thanks to everyone for your support and advice!  We rode out the bumps and have entered production mode!  Next on the agenda: dividends!
Great job getting more rigs up and running.

As for dividends: I'm for dividend payouts. It will boost investor confidence and hopefully encourage more new investment to fund expansion. Dividends will also reward your early investor who took a risk on your when the detractors were saying no. I still pledge to reinvest any initial dividend payout into SIN.
82  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - A Bitcoin Mining Company on: June 07, 2011, 05:38:14 PM
All shares orders were cancelled during the last GLBSE update. I guess tawsix will put the SIN ones back up for sale soon.

bing: I think it's dividend_per_share = total_dividend_payout / ownedshares
83  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE's latest updates (an early Christmas present for non-techies) on: June 07, 2011, 04:46:37 PM
Good work!
84  Economy / Economics / Re: Capital gains and Bitcoin on: June 07, 2011, 03:42:35 PM
I think this varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and I'm about to ask my accountant a similar question to yours.
I have wrapped/am wrapping my bitcoin activities in a seperate tax entity. The reason for this is so that I can claim legitimate expenses against income.

I could use the "no value until liquidated" rule which would be fine if mining was all I did. But since I made some btc via speculation (on GLBSE) I suspect I'm probably liable for capital gains as a trader. I'll probably need to value all my accounts associated with bitcoin in my native currency then treat that as income. If I do things this way then I'll have to pay capital gains every tax year but I also get the benefit of a taxation loss if the value of bitcoin falls.

I'll see what my accountant says. I suspect that I can treat mining activity like "inventory" but all other sources of bitcoin income would need to be converted to a value in my native currency, either on the day of the transaction or on tax day.
85  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - A Bitcoin Mining Company on: June 07, 2011, 03:26:54 PM
Update: Six of the seven rigs are currently up.  I'll be fiddling with the seventh tomorrow morning, I'm pretty sure I know what the problem is but I'm exhausted!  Tomorrow I'll also be looking into a better cooling situation so we can overclock the cards to their maximum potential!
Congratulations on a job well done.

Please ignore Weinerk until he gets his math right.
86  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: A Bitcoin Mining Company - SkepsiDyne Integrated Node on: June 06, 2011, 04:44:02 PM
The IRL stock brokers I use only accept sell orders for up to the number of shares you presently hold. That's fair.
They will accept a buy order for any number of shares (subject to credit controls) and then bill you for whatever excess is not in your account should the buy order complete. They do have interest rates, the right to liquidate your other positions and a lien over your firstborn. I don't think GLBSE can do this and maintain it's anonymous nature so best to stop buy orders that are not matched by funds at hand.
87  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: A Bitcoin Mining Company - SkepsiDyne Integrated Node on: June 06, 2011, 04:31:34 PM
Feedback is appreciated.
Good move!
88  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: You know what would bring about the destruction of Bitcoin? Underage pornography on: June 06, 2011, 03:44:38 PM
news of drug trade do not register on most people's mind, so when bitcoin is linked to that area most people just shrug their shoulders - they just think it is something that happens to other people.

but when something is linked to underage pornography, society gets very, very emotional (whether that is appropriate, is another debate).

sooner or later, if not already, bitcoins will be used by some people in the trade and making of underage pornography. and when that happens, expect bitcoins to be attacked with overwhelming forces by governments and law enforcements and lobby groups alike.
Freenet is full of the stuff (unfortunately) and that the powers that be haven't yet cracked down on Freenet. Still flying below the radar? I don't think so.
89  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: CALLING ALL SHORTS on: June 06, 2011, 03:33:38 PM
No! Expand to allow put/call options in different currencies as long as BTC is one of them. I'd prefer to hedge my btc in btc.
90  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - A Bitcoin Mining Company on: June 06, 2011, 02:20:59 PM
I'd like to add that I pledge to reinvest the first dividend payout that I receive into purchasing more SIN shares at the going rate on GLBSE rounded up to the nearest share.
I am likely to extend this pledge for future dividend payouts.

I say this simply because I would like to see long-term expansion via new investor funds, but believe that new investor funds will not happen without a dividend payout. I aim to make any dividend payout to myself as neutral for SIN as possible.
91  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - A Bitcoin Mining Company on: June 06, 2011, 01:00:34 PM
Equally dividing generated BTC into the thirds of dividends, share payback, and rigs is equivalent of saying 66% of generated BTC should be paid out in dividends and 33% should be towards growth (66% will be the actual growth percentage however, as my dividends are directly reinvested in the business.)  Just to clarify.
Okay scratch that then. Only a third in dividends, the rest in expansion. Given the number of sold shares a third is plenty a dividend enough.
Review the position again next week.... hopefully the dividend renews investor confidence and new money comes in for expansion. We'll know a week after the dividend payment is in and can talk about it again then.
92  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Gun is Civilization on: June 05, 2011, 06:41:02 PM
Through his action, he makes a morality judgement: it is acceptable to use violence if reason fails.

I see no way that he could claim that it does not apply to others against himself.
What is that morality judgment based upon?
93  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Gun is Civilization on: June 05, 2011, 06:31:22 PM
That's assuming that person won't settle for reason but forcing the other person to their bidding.
So that implies that there is some other ethical/moral value at play here. What is that?


Anyways, the first person that shoots would probably be shot by others.
What stops a chain reaction of shooters progressively taking out those that fired first?
94  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Gun is Civilization on: June 05, 2011, 06:24:03 PM
I moot a counter-argument for the sake of debate. (I'm generally in favour of guns)

I have gun, you have gun. The first to shoot wins. Therefore the first to abandon the reasoned debate for violence wins.

I don't think that's very civilised.

95  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel on: June 05, 2011, 06:19:19 PM
Security does not spring from might, but from all people having access to the necessities of life.
I wish this was true. My country has welfare that provides the necessities of life but crime is still a problem. The definition needs work.

Even applied to the Palestinian situation it's an incorrect oversimplification that implies poverty as the root cause of Palestinian terrorism. If so, then why are suicide-bombers generally male, middle class, better educated and generally with better prospects than the general poor?
96  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Morality of Bitcoin on: June 05, 2011, 06:13:02 PM
A thing (like bitcoin) does not have an inherent morality. I guess one way to project a morality onto things would be to look at the human usage of bitcoin. In that case the morality is not less than that on any other cash currency.
97  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Revolution ongoing in Europe? on: June 05, 2011, 06:08:32 PM
Sovereign debt is at crisis levels in Greece and Portugal. Other countries are not far behind. If the people on the street get into power what will they achieve once they see the empty coffers?

I wonder why everyone seams to take people as freeloaders, expecting only to scratch the coffers a bit and see what can still be taken from there...  Huh
The need for action is to prevent us from work to pay the debt, get it done and after we stay with the same "enter poor and get richer than rich" sort of guys in the power... which would mean; if we don't get it done, we will have the same parasites generating endless debt.

i.e.;

Here in Portugal, at a time everybody was already speaking of the overwhelming government debt, the state-running water company decide to expend several millions to buy new cars for the management (no, not working fleet or trucks, "nice cars" like top-edge BMW, Mercedes and so on).
If we don't do nothing what we will expect after pay the debt?! More of the same?! No way! If it doesn't go by improving Democracy, then we rather start thinking about hanging some bastards.
I'm not saying the people are freeloaders - merely wondering what they would do differently. While a few million on new cars is indeed wasteful, it is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the debt being faced. I'm interested in the Portugal situation - just what are the govt's biggest areas of expense?
98  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: The mining focus is bad - we need better clients ;) on: June 05, 2011, 05:15:37 PM
OP: If you think we should/need this then get to building it. If you can't do this yourself then put together a solid business plan, recruit people and issue shares. Who knows, I might even throw some BTC your way.
99  Other / Politics & Society / Re: trading with slaves on: June 05, 2011, 05:13:11 PM
Yes - finally the btc community invents it's own hate-lingo. Love people.
100  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Revolution ongoing in Europe? on: June 05, 2011, 05:09:52 PM
Sovereign debt is at crisis levels in Greece and Portugal. Other countries are not far behind. If the people on the street get into power what will they achieve once they see the empty coffers?
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