hi,
Since last night lately my hash rate here dropped from 7~9 Th/s to 2~4 Th/s..
why is this happening?
my cgminer status shows more than 7 Th/s as usual
Could be a plethora of issues as you'll find on many pages throughout. Depends on what equipment you have first of all. I'm assuming you have maybe 2 S7's or something? If you have an asic it could be your controller, hash boards, power supply, cables, fan, heat, etc. Would definitely need more info than that if you're looking to get any sort of a solid direction. |
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Just decommissioned 2 S7's to make way for some S9's. It's been a battle trying to manage the heat in this tiny room. It is time to upgrade for efficiency. I will be phasing out the S7's and Avalon A6's little by little over time as long as I can find some S9's for reasonable prices.
MINE ON !!!! BLOCK TIME!!
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Haha, who's the sensitive one?
It's a double entendre.
It's a "good luck" as in that is what mining is...luck and also you're leaving to try out another pool, so "good luck". That's why I put it in quotes. If it doesn't turn out, then you'll be back. I'm not mad if you leave, that's all on you.
Though, if you think about it, taking terahash away from the pool when you know the pool needs terahash does hurt the pool, so don't be surprised if some are upset. I'm just hoping Kano's promotion will work out and drown out your hash anyway.
Good luck!
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I gotta say I started mining here at the beginning of the 600 block and I'm questioning my sanity. I want to contribute to decentralization and all but .......3 S9's isn't much but sheesh I'd like to make a buck.
Oh yea Mine On LOL
I was mining at Kano since Sep 2017, a couple hours ago took my 85THs to another pool. This month has been brutal. "Good Luck" |
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Mate the only point that you make is that you are an imbecile. Nothing you are saying is new to us "old heads" we knew about it years before you even had an inkling of it in your head. We knew, we consider and we plan our mining around our knowledge, anything you say is just bad gas. I am one of the few have put up with the rubbish spewing from your fingers but its just boring now, so from no on it'll just be when someone who doesn't know better quotes you that I'll have to put up with it.
The number of miners makes no difference, its just about the size of the pool. Its nothing to do with the pool per-se, its to do with the people mining at the pool, and their ability to increase their hash rate to keep the pool and their income viable. Its better to have less miners with more hash power than more miners with less hash power.
If people want to have a consistent income from mining they have to keep buying hardware to keep up with the difficulty, its the same since day 1 of mining and will always be the same.
If anything the difficulty to keep up is to do with the slow down in technology innovation around mining and the greed and control of a single primary supplier. In the past hardware has got faster, more efficient and cheaper, this has changed recently, that and the increase in value of bitcoin and the subsequent "gold rush" mentality of new miners means its tougher and tougher to maintain that steady growth.
People getting into it now are only just realising what we "old heads" knew 18 months ago. You can't do this at home anymore, you have to have your gear colo'ed somewhere with cheap and abundant power. Problem is that there is no room at the inn for most of the hosting companies.
100% Agree (especially the 1st paragraph!!). I've been meaning to post something very similar to this is what I think almost every time I read most of the new posts. Mine On!! Old heads.. haha my old account is from 2011 jackoff.. and looks like Kano is doing the gambling promo that I suggested yet he scoffed at me anyway... but not for small miners of course. But glad he is doing something. Good to try to grab hash from other pools.. I believe the better move is a temporary shortened ramp up time since as pointed out by many, long ramp up times only benefit current big miners since the diff almost always goes up thus your ramp down period isn't equal to your ramp up. But 'old farts' will complain it isn't fair even as the pool evaporates and they do nothing to bring people in Could you find that page where you suggested the offer he is promoting and where you were scoffed? Just to validate you are NOT completely full of shit. |
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What about the small miners?
Bonus for the larger miners again but no incentive for the smaller miners.
Block bonus should be available to anyone finding a block as you said yourself we are already outside the DIFF curve would seem unfair to pay larger miners extra 1BTC if they find a block yet the smaller miners get nothing for block find bonus??
I understand the attraction this would bring to larger farms but what about the little guys.. We getting squished even more?
There is no difference between me running lower hashrate and finding a block and someone running 9.5ph we are all in this for the same reason, and to reward one and not the other seems unfair?
Bonus structure coiuld be worked out much better way and it would have more reach in the community.. Just my 2 cents but seems little unfair.
Add up all of the "little guys" hash and and contribution to finding a block and reconsider how valuable they actually are. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way at all, I'm just saying to make it seem like it is an unfair treatment, add up the total investment and compare it to other's investment. This isn't saying the little guys don't add value, I'm saying to compare apples to apples. I was envisioning a small bonus to smaller miners by those who were willing to chip in, but the more I think about that, the more I see how that could potentially hurt the pool and attract too many new miners still complaining about the payouts and to be honest, the small miners are not really the goal. Bottom line, there shouldn't be much complaining about payments unless the pool was shrinking or losing hash. I like Kano's idea more and more to get the big miners here and see where that goes. Anyone who can't seem to help themselves from complaining has no obligation to stick around and I really don't understand the point in trying to convince others that the system doesn't work. Why not just go peacefully? Anyways, I've said it before, this is my new home. I'm not leaving unless I quit mining all together for whatever reason. Otherwise, this is my home and I don't take kindly to vermin trash talkin' my home. Life aint' fair nor is lady luck. I hope my post was not taken in the wrong light I fully understand why the pool would benefit from some larger whales pointing some hashrate here in the long run its good for us all more blocks = more pay, + more hashrate helps the pool stay competitive. Already seen the hashrate rise a touch so that is a good sign. + I know its out kano's pocket which dose show how much he cares about pushing the pool up the ladder. Come On Block... No, it wasn't. I just added more to my general response. I understand where you were coming from. My own takeaway has evolved as well. MINE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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What about the small miners?
Bonus for the larger miners again but no incentive for the smaller miners.
Block bonus should be available to anyone finding a block as you said yourself we are already outside the DIFF curve would seem unfair to pay larger miners extra 1BTC if they find a block yet the smaller miners get nothing for block find bonus??
I understand the attraction this would bring to larger farms but what about the little guys.. We getting squished even more?
There is no difference between me running lower hashrate and finding a block and someone running 9.5ph we are all in this for the same reason, and to reward one and not the other seems unfair?
Bonus structure coiuld be worked out much better way and it would have more reach in the community.. Just my 2 cents but seems little unfair.
Add up all of the "little guys" hash and and contribution to finding a block and reconsider how valuable they actually are. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way at all, I'm just saying to make it seem like it is an unfair treatment, add up the total investment and compare it to other's investment. This isn't saying the little guys don't add value, I'm saying to compare apples to apples. I was envisioning a small bonus to smaller miners by those who were willing to chip in, but the more I think about that, the more I see how that could potentially hurt the pool and attract too many new miners still complaining about the payouts and to be honest, the small miners are not really the goal. Bottom line, there shouldn't be much complaining about payments unless the pool was shrinking or losing hash. I like Kano's idea more and more to get the big miners here and see where that goes. Anyone who can't seem to help themselves from complaining has no obligation to stick around and I really don't understand the point in trying to convince others that the system doesn't work. Why not just go peacefully? Anyways, I've said it before, this is my new home. I'm not leaving unless I quit mining all together for whatever reason. Otherwise, this is my home and I don't take kindly to vermin trash talkin' my home. Life aint' fair nor is lady luck. |
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That's either a block I heard cracking or this piece of shit chair I'm sitting in...
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I'm curious who has the least amount of hash and has found a block here on Kano Pool.
Depends on the year you are talking about. Valid point. Let's go with 2017 or the last 88 blocks on the list. |
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I'm curious who has the least amount of hash and has found a block here on Kano Pool.
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What I was referring to with Biffa is getting more miners here on this pool and getting more of the network hashrate. Not going out and adding to the hashrate. He is stating that we should go out and "add" to the hasrate and thus add to the increased difficulty. I would rather take from the current total network and transfer a larger percentage over to us. That is why I am asking after he said he agreed with Biffa.
Either works, but the latter would be best. |
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Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool...
Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself.
I guess not everyone agrees with you...  No I agree with Biffa. It's about getting the hash rate up a lot. While adding losta small miners means more hash rate, we don't want to fall behind the Diff rate rising, we want to get ahead of it a lot. The only way I can see that happening is getting a number of large miners on board - but that wont be a lot of miners. This will only attract a small number of miners, but make a big difference to the pool if we do get some. Biffa's idea works also, but I don't think everyone is trying to keep up with the Diff changes, so we need to keep ahead of them somehow. Break it down for me. It is blowing over my head. If you wanted to add 1000 S9s what is the difference between 1 person owning them and 1000 different owners. We all get paid for our share relative to the whole pool, not the number of owners correct? Or am I wrong? Because it would be adding that much more to the total network hash rate instead of convincing that already existing hash to move pools. More hash is more hash, but it would be ideal to not add more to the network to keep the diff lower. |
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Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool...
Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself.
I guess not everyone agrees with you... No I agree with Biffa. It's about getting the hash rate up a lot. While adding losta small miners means more hash rate, we don't want to fall behind the Diff rate rising, we want to get ahead of it a lot. The only way I can see that happening is getting a number of large miners on board - but that wont be a lot of miners. This will only attract a small number of miners, but make a big difference to the pool if we do get some. See, I wasn't aware it was about the number of miners. I thought it was strictly the hash rate that affected the diff. Interesting. I think what he means is that there is only a small number of people who own 9.5PH or higher worth of gear vs you, me, DPos2, and others buying up enough gear to combine for 9.5PH or higher. It's easier to get a bigger fish to move over than for all of us to do it collectively. Ahh, my mistake. Transferring existing PH over to this pool, not encouraging more to join mining, got it. Sometimes it pays to sit back a bit before posting. That definitely makes more sense hahaha |
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Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool...
Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself.
I guess not everyone agrees with you... No I agree with Biffa. It's about getting the hash rate up a lot. While adding losta small miners means more hash rate, we don't want to fall behind the Diff rate rising, we want to get ahead of it a lot. The only way I can see that happening is getting a number of large miners on board - but that wont be a lot of miners. This will only attract a small number of miners, but make a big difference to the pool if we do get some. See, I wasn't aware it was about the number of miners. I thought it was strictly the hash rate that affected the diff. Interesting. |
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I guess that's one way to bring in the big dogs. Damn!!!
I still wouldn't mind paying a small amount more like raising the fee to .095 % to pay anyone who finds a block an extra reward. It could still be optional for whoever wanted to participate. Still just throwing simple ideas out there. I'm sure that could be coded in somehow? lol not my strong suit.
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Alright everyone... If you've got hate in your heart...let it out. I am by no means a graphic designer but we've all been saying we need to do SOMETHING to spread the word. I've come up with a few graphics and as of now I'm just wanting input or if you can do it better then by all means, please do it better. I just wanted to do something because my measly hashrate is not doing anything apparently  I haven't discovered a single block. So please give me your thoughts and let's think of ways to spread the word. If someone can let me know the specific sizes these images need to be I don't mind creating banners, signatures, whatever you need to spread the Kano word. Without further ado...I will be adding images one by one and editing the post to see which ones actually post and which you have to follow the link for.      First one is hard to read IMO, rest are fine. I will say for not being a graphic designer, these are actually pretty damn good and better than I could come up with, as far as that goes. |
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So for example, this is off the top of my head, but if some of the larger players (or anyone for that matter) was willing to VOLUNTARILY pay a VERY SLIGHTLY extra fee percentage (say roughly .01% or whatever) to be redistributed (god, I hate the way that sounds) to the smaller miners --OR-- an even smaller percentage that could go to a random lucky miner under and over a certain terahash or time frame commitment , it may be interesting enough for others to stick around to hit that second lottery. This would be a completely voluntary program to those who wished to donate back to the pool community. I for one would be on board. Just an idea......though I don't have any cool graphics to back it up.  |
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I don't hate them, but I don't see the point. I understand that SOME are attracted by these, but those type of miners aren't the ones planning to stick around because of the "cool design". If you've read the posts and I'm sure you have, a lot of miners are looking for the frequent payouts and that is something you can't control even with more hash, unless you had a significant amount of hash power, you may be able to sway some more chances (still luck). I also understand this is what you're hoping to accomplish with a different design, but I'm used to the Kano site and I have no problems with it. I do think it wouldn't be such a bad idea to have something like this to work in conjunction with Kano such as minergain, ckpool status, etc. I just personally don't feel like it would make the slightest difference in keeping people in the pool. Not to mention the smaller payouts if we were to say double the hash rate. I'll admit I'm cynical about the idea, but I feel it's for good reason. Just my opinion, nice graphics though. EDIT: I would like to clarify that I am for more hash power, but I also understand that it is not a direct correlation to increases our block count. I don't want to "hate" on these ideas and discourage anyone. I'm just waiting for an approach that makes the most sense and I believe Kano would know best on how to achieve that. On that note, If Kano has any suggestions that may help, it would be great to share. |
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My calculations are the same. This pool needs to hit 8 blocks a month for the payout to be more. 1.1% is a big difference if you are making a fixed amount per month but that is not the case. I understand we look back at the history but what history doesn’t take into account is the amount of new hashing power that has come online and will continue to drive the difficulty to the moon. We need to promote the crap out of this pool and start now. It is the BEST pool here hands down but we are not going to win anymore miners here until WE step up and make it happen. When it becomes unaffordable for the larger miners to mine here, they will slowly leave too. It is more than just money to some but eventually everyone will have a breaking point for one reason or another. I love this pool and you guys are the best but we need to get off our asses and come up with a solution.
Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool, what should be happening is you and everyone already on the pool should be buying more hardware to keep up with the difficulty, getting the rest of the pool bigger but staying the same yourself means you will just get smaller and smaller rewards. Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself. This isn't something new its something everyone has had to do since mining began. I pointed this out months ago and got all kinds of 'stupid native yelling' thrown back at me... enjoy mining your smugness We will enjoy it......except for DPoS2 |
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My calculations are the same. This pool needs to hit 8 blocks a month for the payout to be more. 1.1% is a big difference if you are making a fixed amount per month but that is not the case. I understand we look back at the history but what history doesn’t take into account is the amount of new hashing power that has come online and will continue to drive the difficulty to the moon. We need to promote the crap out of this pool and start now. It is the BEST pool here hands down but we are not going to win anymore miners here until WE step up and make it happen. When it becomes unaffordable for the larger miners to mine here, they will slowly leave too. It is more than just money to some but eventually everyone will have a breaking point for one reason or another. I love this pool and you guys are the best but we need to get off our asses and come up with a solution.
Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool, what should be happening is you and everyone already on the pool should be buying more hardware to keep up with the difficulty, getting the rest of the pool bigger but staying the same yourself means you will just get smaller and smaller rewards. Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself. This isn't something new its something everyone has had to do since mining began. If we all had the money to double our mining operations we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Essentially, since December, each and everyone one of us would have had to double their operation. I am out of power at my home. I can not add anything more. So while your statement in theory is the correct approach, real world application is not possible for some. I am currently setting up a mining facility to do just that and have 3 partners also included in the effort. Together we have purchased 100 additional S9s on the March batch. I understand what you are saying and I am in agreement and also actively doing something about it but that solution is not as easily implemented in the real world as it is on paper. He is right its now arms race with hashrate. first the CPU/GPU miners were kicked from bitcoin to make way for the ASIC... Since asic arrived on the scene we have seen the DIFF explode. It is not almost impossible for new miners to come into the space without massive investment. It really is pushing the smaller miners out the game I mean come on 400+ days ROI for antminer s9? I think there must be other miners being used higher than 14th but only being used by bitmain or others while they jump the chain diff higher and higher then sell off the lower models back to public when they "no longer need" or want them. Bitcoin was supposed to be a fair system I though where everyone could be a part of it but now I see this vision is no longer bitcoin. When you take away the chance for everyone to take part in the network you remove the fundamental of bitcoin DE-centrialisation. As far as I can see I guess the DIFF "attacking" Is for one thing only to push out the home miners from the equation leaving the path open to the larger company's who are steadily grasping more and more of bitcoin for themselves while pushing out the rest. I fear in the future we will know the truth about the network and what is really going on with the DIFF but as far as I can see we are all being pushed out of the earning tree to make way for the few... To me that is distructive to bitcoin and we should not and cannot allow it to continue.. While some sit in silence knowing full well what is going on here but making out in public that there is nothing wrong.. Step back.. Think about this.. Is this really what we want bitcoin to become?? Anybody can participate, even with GPU, but don't expect to get rich. The fairness isn't the making a profit part, it's participating in the system. I think you have the whole idea wrong. Miners weren't "kicked" from bitcoin. All you have attested to is even more reason why you should support a smaller pool if you believe in BTC. The more people panic and jump to slushpool, BTC, antpool or whatever, the more they are encouraging what you fear. The market is controlling the outcome. Bitcoin is still in it's infancy when you think about the potential it has. |
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