For those interested in some daily mining statistics about NLG, feel free to head over to http://nlgstats.iblogger.org (appologize for the crude html, not my thing). This has been my scratchpad to learn about / interact with the blockchain. Will gladly try my best to add any additional info to the daily stats if it will help. Just shoot me a PM with ideas. If additional products are needed I'll see what I can do. There is also an NLG richlist (top 100 addresses) for those interested in those types of things. I'll update at least daily, just remember to refresh (F5?) for the latest info. Chrome likes to cache. RE: Long block gaps: In my humble opinion regarding large scrypt multi-pools, I'm against IP blocking. In the immediate short term let's reach out to clevermining and try to tweak their NLG targeting to avoid these long block gaps? Based on his previous posts they seem reasonable and willing to work with us. It is probably is more efficient for clevermining to have a dialog with one 1 NLG rep (dev?) and hopefully the information coming out of those talks will flow here in a timely fashion? Appreciate the NLG devs are being cautious and providing more frequent updates on progress. Investigations, simulation and analysis take time if done properly and nobody has unlimited free time. |
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First sticker has been sticked!   "in the elevator of my office"  Very impressed at the sticker placement.  seems perfectly centered between the two panels with perfect allignment. nice work. Assuming scanning the barcode brings you to guldencoin.nl website? I am one of many who appreciate your efforts promoting NLG. |
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Pity the temporary richlist is not working anymore. Would be nice to have a richlist and see how many Gulden millionaires there are by now edit: sorry, now I understand you are really building this club1680.com . That is great! NLG richlist updated daily go to http://nlgstats.iblogger.org/ and click 'Richlist' on top. |
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Is there a delay in the withdrawal of Bittrex? One hour has passed and still nothing.
it takes a while.. hang in there, it'll come you already have the transaction id right? |
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As others have mentioned it, things look to be improving. Let's hope the trend continues. Assuming clevermining is tuning their hashrate towards NLG to avoid creating these these big block gaps? +-----------------------------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| NLG blocks mined per day | longest block gap of the day |
+---------+---------+-----------+----------+-----------+----------+-----------+-------------------+
| date | total # | Gf7wGA # | Gf7wGA % | GNDA5M # | GNDA5M % | block | gap |
+---------+---------+-----------+----------+-----------+----------+-----------+-------------------+
| Sept 26 | 566 | 517 | 91.34% | 40 | 7.07% | 123995 | 146 minutes |
| Sept 27 | 540 | 489 | 90.56% | 41 | 7.59% | 124706 | 228 minutes |
| Sept 28 | 559 | 496 | 88.73% | 27 | 4.83% | 124999 | 125 minutes |
| Sept 29 | 529 | 437 | 82.61% | 34 | 6.43% | 125941 | 130 minutes |
| Sept 30 | 308 | 222 | 72.08% | 62 | 20.13% | 126087 | 48 minutes |
+---------+---------+-----------+----------+-----------+----------+-----------+-------------------+
Gf7wGAwJGDLfoHcNCRLKZqpk2EQU5ixA6c == clevermining.com
GNDA5MZWcm4AjLtNuEmYpgH8qsxo4vrnY8 == nlg.hardcoreminers.com
DGW3 implemented September 25. KGW prior
Report generated Tue Sep 30 13:42:40 2014 UTC
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thanks for the site! very handy! Another mining calculator for your list: http://www.whattomine.com/coins/64-nlg-scryptI believe the site owner visits here from time to time. Of course with the way clevermining is jumping in and out and the difficulty bouncing around, not sure how valuable these mining calculators are.. |
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Is it just me, or is anyone else watching Clevermining rape NLG right now? Difficulty drops, they mine 15 blocks in a minute. Difficulty spikes because of them, and we get stuck with the 40 minute block time until a different pool mines the block that block that drops the difficulty back down. Can anyone confirm the DGW3 update is WAI? Is this what we were shooting for? No offense to the devs or the community, please don't take it that way. I'm just stumped as to why no one is making note of this.
As a small pool operator, I'm kind of at a crossroads right now. I can't compete with Clever and Hardcore pegging 95%+ of the blocks everyday, but I'm still hopeful that my pool will find it's place with this coin. I'm not saying all this so people can say, "oh poor Fuse". I'm just a little frustrated with the fact that Clever is still raping the coin, and small pools can't compete with only dedicated NLG pool.
Should I just give up trying to compete?
-Fuse
EDIT- Let me go on record as stating I was all for the DGW3 update. Please don't think I wasn't. I'm just wondering upset Clever is destroying us right now.
my 2 cents.. if you read back the last 20 days of posts.. many are making note of this.. some have thought this was a bigger deal than others.. some were talking about this much earlier.. but eventually everyone is coming around.. Last update from the NLG dev team, I believe they said clevermining cut back the total hashrate periodically pointed at Guldencoin to 1/12th the their total hashrate.. problem is total clevermining hashrate is currently 350GH. so 1/12 of that is ~29GH.. meanwhile, our largest dedicated pool to NLG (HC-miners) has a hashrate of 0.7GH. I don't think clevermining is angry.. if they wanted to screw us over, they could point that entire 350GH at NLG for an hour straight.. then we'd really be in trouble.. the clevermining op is willing to work with us to avoid long block gaps, and we are very appreciative of that.. but there is a more systemic problem.. clevermining wants to grow, and they have a responsibility to their users to pay more per day than if they would just be mining litecoin. if they don't, another switching pool will, and clevermining users will say adios and flock to the new best switching pool in town. I'm surprised there isn't a service that enables miners automatically switch between the most profitable switching pools. Anyways, this obviously isn't good for small market cap scrypt alt-coins.. popular sites like gawminers don't help either.. where you buy a cloud scrypt miner but you can only point it at a few switching mining pool.. not a dedicated coin pool of your choosing.. ironically I believe I saw an ad for gawminers at hardcore miners website a few days back. BTC is large enough were they don't have to worry about this.. (debatable).. However, for the rest of the scrypt coins, there is a network effect occurring against them and money talks.. a scrypt miner may be better off pointing their rig at a switching pool to earn btc, then buying NLG on an exchange with that btc as it's dumped by the switching pools.. so respect to the pool ops and miners (small and big) 100% dedicated to NLG. Also thanks to CIG for trying to keep those pools going with a little extra NLG incentive. let's keep the discussion going and be open to new approaches to solving this.. learn lessons from other coins.. if this is not the best place for the discussion then on a dedicated forum page.. apologize for the wordy post. nlgstats.iblogger.org will continue to track clevermining and the block gaps. Edit - also apologize if i'm way incorrect on some of these things.. new to crypto.. |
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Hi,
BTW great coin, but before I buy some NLG up I just want to make sure on something. I gather the below addresses is for your spacedrop to the dutch people. I notice all 150 million is still in those addresses? Has no one claimed or...
Cold Storage 1: GYhkHEHFSwjVaq7Bt9Akm9EHDMamiWkPZb
Cold Storage 2: GLjU6est4NXFri3Rmx2SnA9PzFdYsm1Tcb
Cold Storage 3: GK3g74iYY5cCHF8AscMgPUBSRV7kicwRR4
there were 170 million NLG created in genesis block for development / giveaway. some of that has already been given away, some was sold off to fund the development of the ios wallet. I'm assuming the team can account for the entire 170 million.. they just need time to come up with a good way of presenting the info I guess.. I believe it's on the team's to-do list.. otherwise it's a good community project.. it's all there on the blockchain. |
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Hi! updated http://nlgstats.iblogger.org/ to include hardcore mining solved blocks per day. Also I think I got all the bugs worked out of the richlist.. was including orphaned transactions previously.. I know zip-zero about html, so I apologize for the crude website. please go to the main site and click on the top links to get to stuff.. more coming soon time permitting. --Mark |
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Some still mining on the old chain with 5,8 Gh/s according to http://www.guldencointrader.nl/hashrate.php, which repesents still the old chain. DGW3 still stabilising from the hold, with some spikes. Will take a while, but blocktime will smooth more and more in time, when hashrate stays stable for a couple of hours, I think. See how the race goes: GND=hardcore, Gf7=nicehash. https://explorer.guldencoin.com/#/blocksAbout the other chain, dont forget that less blocks are being mined and the network still thinks it has that hashrate (even though no one is mining) since there are no new blocks found. Gf7 is clevermining I think. I will add GND to the daily tally at nlgstats.iblogger.org starting tonight. |
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All - this is definately beta. It's a work in progress and it definitely contains errors. If anyone wants to work with me on what I'm doing wrong, send me a PM. It's just an ugly nested SQL query that runs against the abe database daily and gets uploaded. I'm sure GJ could come up with a much better solution but he's got bigger fish to fry right now PS: my hunch is rank #4 and #6 are bittrex wallets.. pools don't typically hold large balances. |
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Hello everyone,
DGW3
A few days ago I posted that we were thinking about changing our difficulty re-adjustment algorithm from KGW to DGW3. The main reason for this upgrade is the swing in blocktimes caused by jumping miners. I promised to give an update today.
Meanwhile, there has been some discussion about other methods that could also be beneficial to Guldencoin. BTM’s long coin maturity is an interesting idea that might make it into the coin when more discussion has taken place. For now we believe the change from KGW to DGW3 is the first thing we need to do and we hope it will be enough to stabilize the network blocktime.
The word 'we' is used often in this post. Just for clarification, when you say 'we' you mean the 5 people at ' https://guldencoin.com/who-we-are'? Or were other people involved in this decision to hardfork? Please don't take this as a negative remark.. just trying to understand what exactly the process is to decide on implementing a major change like this. With "we" I mostly mean the team yes. But the decision is based on multiple factors: results from our own research, external persons/devs that we have asked for opinion, and rhe feedback from the community. Thanks GJ. I was half asleep after a very long day when I wrote the original post.. I read it this morning and thought to myself.. what a crappy post. let me expand my original post a bit.. it should have included: "the work you and the rest of the team do is amazing work. I have complete confidence the transition to DGW will go smoothly". I'll continue to post the daily tally of blocks mined by Gf7wGA and the longest block of the day to nlgstats.iblogger.org. We'll see how DGW does. Cheers! --Mark |
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Hello everyone,
DGW3
A few days ago I posted that we were thinking about changing our difficulty re-adjustment algorithm from KGW to DGW3. The main reason for this upgrade is the swing in blocktimes caused by jumping miners. I promised to give an update today.
Meanwhile, there has been some discussion about other methods that could also be beneficial to Guldencoin. BTM’s long coin maturity is an interesting idea that might make it into the coin when more discussion has taken place. For now we believe the change from KGW to DGW3 is the first thing we need to do and we hope it will be enough to stabilize the network blocktime.
The word 'we' is used often in this post. Just for clarification, when you say 'we' you mean the 5 people at ' https://guldencoin.com/who-we-are'? Or were other people involved in this decision to hardfork? Please don't take this as a negative remark.. just trying to understand what exactly the process is to decide on implementing a major change like this. |
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Excellent work Mark! Do we get updates now and then?
I have set aside 20K NLG to support mining the 'hard blocks' for 10 days. I hope it's enough until the conformation time is more stable.
I'll donate 2000 NLG per day to anyone that close the longest gap.
Exceptions:
- The closed gap must be at least 60 minutes
- That address hasn't received a blockreward in previous 15 blocks where the time to find was less than a minute.
I presume pooladmins will distribute it after taking the normal pool fee. They may give it to the block finder or distribute it under the contributors or a combination of that.
Let's start with sept 16:
GgiTmq thank you for finding block 118414. You helped the Guldencoin network a lot. I donate 2000 NLG for that.
GLgBPz, GKaP57 and Gcpzph thank you for finding block 119148. You did a great job. Pro ratio I donate 42.69012692, 1957.30987306 and 0.00000002 NLG.
Very cool of you to reward the ones solving the hard blocks! Instead of posting the table you requested here it will be uploaded daily to http://nlgstats.iblogger.org (free webhost with ftp) --Mark |
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Hi all, The last few days i have been busy setting up a dice website for Guldencoin. This game is very populair amongst other coins, so i hope to bring some attention to Guldencoin with this. All new players get 20 NLG FOR FREE to start off with by clicking on the present icon. Off course you can always deposit more guldens of your own. If you have any feedback regarding the website, feel free to contact me on Twitter: @patrickkivits. Have fun and never gamble more than you can afford to lose! http://guldencoindice.nlGreat job Patrick! Was a lot of fun. Got my free 20 NLG up to ~55 before I lost it all! |
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Nice. See no mistake here. My results were about the same in the post on September 08, 2014, 11:22:02 AM. I screen scraped the data from the chainexplorer with timezone +2.00 and calculated the % against the average found blocks per day. You took the actual found blocks to calculate the %. That's more accurate. I like to have a site like https://blockchain.info/pools. And ... a charts with the longest time between blocks per day. I'm willing to donate to the one that finds that block. Added a few additional SQL queries to the report. Let me know if this is what you're looking for. Cheers --Mark +------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| NLG blocks mined per day | longest block gap of the day |
+---------+---------+-----------+----------+-----------+-------------------+
| date | total # | Gf7wGA # | Gf7wGA % | block | gap |
+---------+---------+-----------+----------+-----------+-------------------+
| Sept 01 | 573 | 333 | 58.12% | 110053 | 37 minutes |
| Sept 02 | 616 | 429 | 69.64% | 110424 | 37 minutes |
| Sept 03 | 604 | 448 | 74.17% | 111317 | 44 minutes |
| Sept 04 | 577 | 503 | 87.18% | 111860 | 50 minutes |
| Sept 05 | 595 | 517 | 86.89% | 112528 | 147 minutes |
| Sept 06 | 526 | 473 | 89.92% | 112672 | 153 minutes |
| Sept 07 | 593 | 518 | 87.35% | 113430 | 81 minutes |
| Sept 08 | 572 | 485 | 84.79% | 114282 | 79 minutes |
| Sept 09 | 574 | 443 | 77.18% | 114427 | 43 minutes |
| Sept 10 | 597 | 536 | 89.78% | 115055 | 111 minutes |
| Sept 11 | 552 | 444 | 80.43% | 115997 | 77 minutes |
| Sept 12 | 596 | 480 | 80.54% | 116501 | 64 minutes |
| Sept 13 | 524 | 450 | 85.88% | 116956 | 151 minutes |
| Sept 14 | 603 | 511 | 84.74% | 117684 | 107 minutes |
| Sept 15 | 589 | 555 | 94.23% | 117701 | 143 minutes |
| Sept 16 | 572 | 542 | 94.76% | 118414 | 278 minutes |
| Sept 17 | 543 | 505 | 93.00% | 119148 | 103 minutes |
| Sept 18 | 87 | 85 | 97.70% | 119446 | 10 minutes |
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First off, I'd like to reiterate the appreciation others have directed to Fuse for reaching out to Terk, and to Terk for adjusting clevermining's algorithms. It's nice to see changes were made with both cleverminng's and Guldencoin's best interests in mind. Hopefully no more 4+ hour gaps in the blockchain. I ran a few queries against the Abe database to see what % of newly created NLG blocks were being mined by Gf7wGA. The results are cut and paste below. I found them interesting so figured I'd share. Disclaimer: I'm not a developer and still figuring out Abe's schema, so take these results with a few grains of salt. I did manually check the Sept 17 results against explorer.guldencoin.com and the numbers matched up. --Mark +------------------------------------------+
| NLG blocks per day |
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| date | total # | Gf7wGA # | Gf7wGA % |
+---------+---------+-----------+----------+
| Aug 15 | 582 | 0 | 0% |
| Aug 16 | 571 | 0 | 0% |
| Aug 17 | 596 | 107 | 17.95% |
| Aug 18 | 567 | 350 | 61.73% |
| Aug 19 | 578 | 385 | 66.61% |
| Aug 20 | 583 | 320 | 54.89% |
| Aug 21 | 598 | 312 | 52.17% |
| Aug 22 | 569 | 380 | 66.78% |
| Aug 23 | 577 | 398 | 68.98% |
| Aug 24 | 557 | 362 | 64.99% |
| Aug 25 | 585 | 387 | 66.15% |
| Aug 26 | 568 | 371 | 65.32% |
| Aug 27 | 576 | 356 | 61.81% |
| Aug 28 | 582 | 369 | 63.40% |
| Aug 29 | 570 | 367 | 64.39% |
| Aug 30 | 577 | 366 | 63.43% |
| Aug 31 | 581 | 367 | 63.17% |
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| Sept 01 | 573 | 333 | 58.12% |
| Sept 02 | 616 | 429 | 69.64% |
| Sept 03 | 604 | 448 | 74.17% |
| Sept 04 | 577 | 503 | 87.18% |
| Sept 05 | 595 | 517 | 86.89% |
| Sept 06 | 526 | 473 | 89.92% |
| Sept 07 | 593 | 518 | 87.35% |
| Sept 08 | 572 | 485 | 84.79% |
| Sept 09 | 574 | 443 | 77.18% |
| Sept 10 | 597 | 536 | 89.78% |
| Sept 11 | 552 | 444 | 80.43% |
| Sept 12 | 596 | 480 | 80.54% |
| Sept 13 | 524 | 450 | 85.88% |
| Sept 14 | 603 | 511 | 84.74% |
| Sept 15 | 589 | 555 | 94.23% |
| Sept 16 | 572 | 542 | 94.76% |
| Sept 17 | 63 | 55 | 87.30% |
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In the early comments about this wallet there was some talk about using it to order food with BTC at http://www.thuisbezorgd.nl/Maybe they can accept NLG as well? |
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... knip ...
People that know me know I'm the last person to make stupid panicked decisions. That being said, I think a form of Digishield, or similar, needs to be added to the roadmap ASAP. That, or you just ask the pool to stop mining NLG. Pool OPs are usually pretty respectful of coin devs. The other option is to flat out block the IP range of the pool in the wallet code, and effectively just shut them out. 12 second block times aren't normal, regardless. Especially with a difficulty of 300+.
-Fuse
If you have 100 GH/s, then 12 seconds at 300+ diff is a joke. As said, we're looking into solutions (edit: yes, maybe digishield). Blocking an IP range is not on our list, it's not a solution. If it is clevermining, maybe make a request to clevermining operator to not mine NLG like this? or at least slow down how often they hit NLG? worth a shot? pooled hashrate is up to 200 GH/s according to clevermining.com. |
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@markanth: Your help is appreciated.
The fact that there is in total 8M+ NLG received on Gf7 and not kwowing the intensions is scary isn't it? I can't query the blockchain at the moment for the accurate received NLG. If there is another Gd adress it's even more scary. BTW I have no problem with honestly mined coins.
@CIG: I pointed cgminer at clevermining.com and logged for a few hours.. seems to correlate 100% to Gf7wGAwJGDLfoHcNCRLKZqpk2EQU5ixA6c. see the activity log snippet below (i filtered out a lot of the garbage). The highlighted hashes and difficulty match up to the guldencoin blocks 114389 to 114397. Clevermining switches to NLG and keeps mining NLG until crossing a high difficulty threshold. With 120 GH of hashing power available they can churn through blocks like butter.. then switch off to something else, leaving the hardcoremining pool and others stuck mining the more difficult blocks. I can see why honest miners would get discouraged mining NLG. The only bright spot (for traders at least?) is the coins are likely dumped onto the market for BTC on a regular basis as clevermining has BTC payouts to make.. which I guess is a good thing as waterloo suggests?.. cheers --Mark PS: I'm fairly confident I got this right, but someone feel free to double check me.. i only got into crypto a few months ago so maybe I'm misinterpreting what these logs represent. [2014-09-09 03:18:34] New block: bdf110b6ed0742c9be99ce5b7a846fbe1b655345d72a07bd4d34bad3d0c4b95b... diff 1.04K [2014-09-09 03:18:44] New block: 0b7f5e13ed17539db79950388804a7f74bd50276ef508b15fbc4fe908ed91679... diff 1.18K [2014-09-09 03:18:54] New block: 00000000002064c64e9192a0cca9c90a4fd75a31b9113ccddfa40af6fdd6fe0a... diff 578 [2014-09-09 03:19:56] New block: d1a0342942bae2b24836a3d88bf1f2f3481010f8a57a111380e4956272dd5eb3... diff 484
[2014-09-09 03:20:04] New block: 3495c4d44fde97cb57d9f0286ec330be4b2df0d560e7d3f352fc8743615d6b90... diff 487
[2014-09-09 03:20:07] New block: c37b75429e160e663a7281c76a70a29ca19c95b0e2c8ed23cfa3aca2a851e6cc... diff 488
[2014-09-09 03:20:13] New block: 62e10980608630602ad608e64dd12cf050c6d5faba59959e70afcab49c3c017b... diff 491
[2014-09-09 03:20:47] New block: 5847dda9ca3f2ae47e49069e248fb99086803671bd905e446da3c7f744871804... diff 489
[2014-09-09 03:21:40] New block: f68bfd72427ca6957cdceba74e271bae2bfd285e23d6c63af3e3bdf8c3748092... diff 491
[2014-09-09 03:22:12] New block: 38807a39c5636287dd82db21d65ce6ef582a0d833388c8183b075bb0146a0628... diff 492 [2014-09-09 03:22:42] New block: b16bde9360ab9e530c1ee4cfe841b81b6efc14f752b603bf76da245d2bebe089... diff 26 [2014-09-09 03:22:45] New block: 4dd83b30ce6fb71c3fe295242bf02c0566891ea6198479653ee3159570a7ef9b... diff 24 [2014-09-09 03:22:46] New block: a7f0ac54fc70dd82cbcfa747929de7120928a718c70d575809b4f613dc6ecf4a... diff 22 [2014-09-09 03:22:46] New block: e0ddaf56c729cc5ff0a89a8d3d5ef8e0a799cd440a5d3fcfb8a45ad2bfe128ab... diff 20 [2014-09-09 03:22:49] New block: e63634cb74c246557006be2cf65d7dd6171265ab95644bc58fe210a0c9819331... diff 19 [2014-09-09 03:22:51] New block: 46b062d916c1fb999e7331f9b2652c7ff615b0647c9f0961df63adc9f1f6df5a... diff 17 [2014-09-09 03:22:51] New block: 79a7fea4a3f116d0d11637ca3a9b5908b88daef2f45c1f4c630a6d15fcd2d586... diff 16 [2014-09-09 03:22:52] New block: bd4933f450b940761b8011e2cb975bb1b7dceb776574e713e04d3ec14798a7e9... diff 15 [2014-09-09 03:22:53] New block: 0c8ab6b4d8aae11cf949bb7df0ae9a10f19f097b06a4de99ed3631b0703d2c84... diff 492 [2014-09-09 03:22:56] New block: fab7f75978b4efd724915cd1f5f603d6333edbd8219fde20c493563fda1b5343... diff 12 [2014-09-09 03:22:56] New block: e02cb1e2ee80c29c07487dbfb61aa758b5c52dce7f282b01811e3f1ca26a47f9... diff 11 [2014-09-09 03:23:00] New block: a78577949cc102827e43476e21661e0506285a738a3bc7fa17e13b057dca68a1... diff 543 [2014-09-09 03:23:02] New block: be29a6c639eba7132cf8bc877cd57035e6112d382073b4dc7da526b9e53c9625... diff 578 [2014-09-09 03:23:11] New block: 99a2742a499be3946fb2ec2b4e24a767a4b863dab48a6c36deed96b9f5e9f72d... diff 37 [2014-09-09 03:23:13] New block: acaccf3ab3652c3b87f8cee31f60972ac9fbe0c2ef176a58e4634bda4326c296... diff 40 |
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