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81  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Believe Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 24, 2022, 03:14:27 PM
This forum does not force everyone to believe in bitcoin or not, but Satoshi opens up opportunities for everyone to earn from bitcoin, the problem is you believe it or not that's your business, if indeed you are not interested in bitcoin, my question is why you,  using this forum, which without you knowing this forum is made by Satoshi, for users to discuss and find news about the growth of bitcoin from year to year.
True! It is a personal choice to believe or not in Bitcoin. People who have good knowledge about Bitcoin and the crypto market believe it to be real unlike those who don’t.
Beliefs are something in your mind. No one cares about what happens in your mind. This is discussion about what is outside of minds, and that's reality. In reality no one is able to show bitcoins, just numbers.
82  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Believe Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 24, 2022, 08:24:57 AM
Numbers can be displayed on my mobile phone screen, not electronic coins that people call bitcoins

Only if you can believe in your fiat digits reflecting the units of your assets on your mobile through alert and same way you can deem fot by going to the bank or bitcoin ATM or p2p to claim those digits into fiat cash that you spend daily, then i see no reason why you should doubt on the digital version of currency that is more improved and decentralized than fiat to be a unit of your account, whereby you can convert your stash or bitcoins into fiat, withdraw it, make use of p2p, and have every digital units of coins from your wallet into a currency you can spend anywhere any time, then why not save yourself the unnecessary stress and give am attempts first and dee if it's monetized or not.
Yeah, that's a classical bitcoin propaganda and language manipulation that is used to lure people into believing bitcoins are real.

You literally ignored everything in the OP, and just repeat the propaganda. Pretty pathetic.
And here you have practiced two textbook examples of a propagandist:

1.  Keep repeating a lie, "bitcoins aren't real", and hoping it sticks and that some will believe the BS.

2.  "Accusation in a Mirror", as a quote taken from the French psychologist's 1970 book on the topic:
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imputing to the adversaries the intentions that one has oneself and/or the action that you are in the process of enacting

That is, you are the one using "language manipulation" to lure people into believe an untruth, and yet you blame others for such actions.

... except that, as you can see, no one here is falling for it.

You know, the same as I, and the same as everyone else who read the OP, that bitcoins don't exist. There's no person on Earth that saw anything else in their wallet but numbers. The whole system, on the other hand, just stores data from which those numbers are calculated. So factually, there are no electronic coins called bitcoins. There's nothing in the ownership of number holders that would be counted with that numers.

So, why are you lying? What are you trying to achieve?



83  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Believe Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 23, 2022, 10:10:16 AM
Numbers can be displayed on my mobile phone screen, not electronic coins that people call bitcoins

Only if you can believe in your fiat digits reflecting the units of your assets on your mobile through alert and same way you can deem fot by going to the bank or bitcoin ATM or p2p to claim those digits into fiat cash that you spend daily, then i see no reason why you should doubt on the digital version of currency that is more improved and decentralized than fiat to be a unit of your account, whereby you can convert your stash or bitcoins into fiat, withdraw it, make use of p2p, and have every digital units of coins from your wallet into a currency you can spend anywhere any time, then why not save yourself the unnecessary stress and give am attempts first and dee if it's monetized or not.
Yeah, that's a classical bitcoin propaganda and language manipulation that is used to lure people into believing bitcoins are real.

You literally ignored everything in the OP, and just repeat the propaganda. Pretty pathetic.
84  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Believe Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 23, 2022, 09:17:39 AM
My two ears shouldn't hear anything wrong about bitcoin, so I have to shut them out of misinformation.
Of course all this time there has been a lot of misinformation being spread online whether it's for the purpose of creating a FUD or maybe because someone really hates bitcoin. You cannot trust all that information until you verify its veracity by reading further on the official bitcoin site. I advise you to ignore such people instead of making speeches.

Often see it, strange news bin magic, about FUD news not without reason they make someone panic and want the bitcoin price to crash, of course that's the goal, if we mention there are some communities who don't really like it, with the emergence of bitcoin around the world, it  such as banking, and some that are connected to the economy, because the emergence of bitcoin hinders their growth, it is most likely news news on some social media, there is a possibility and has something to do with news there for bitcoin to plummet.
I have one simple question for you. When you have this written in wallet: "10 BTC" this suggest that you own 10 units of a product called bitcoin or BTC. Now the question:

where are those 10 units exactly located and what exactly is that product?

 Let's me help you. In "10 TSLA", TSLA is equity of company Tesla headquartered in Austin, Texas. In "10 USD" USD is debt created in the US banking system and located in loan contracts signed by borrowers. In "10 iPhones", iPhones are smartphones made by Apple and located in various warehouses.

Now you: in "10 BTC" BTC is .....  located in .....

You talk about bitcoin, so you must be able to answer my question. What those 10 units are and where are they located?
85  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Believe Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 23, 2022, 07:56:08 AM
It's only natural for you to share posts from sources who don't understand Bitcoin, since you were on the forum on March 15, 2022. If I suggest you read more, it sounds like I'm tutoring you. To me, they are a group that doesn't like Bitcoin. Bitcoin was born long before you were present in this forum with various stories that have been experienced by many people with Bitcoin.

I think we don't need to discuss and explain in detail about this, because those who don't like Bitcoin will not believe in the explanation that will be given.

Don't forget to eat friend so that you are healthy and can carry out activities as usual.

And another one that is obsessed with educating me, completely ignored the proof in OP that bitcoins are not real, and just repeats fantasies abot the magical powers of non-existent bitcoin. Hilarious.
86  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Believe Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 23, 2022, 06:35:40 AM
For that matter, the internet isn't material either, but there are many sites on it, this forum for example. Stocks in the markets have long been digital, not physical, which, like bitcoin, can be displayed on your mobile phone screen. Sending a telegram message also consists of numbers. In fact, a lot of things are digital now, but for some reason bitcoin is the only scam. Strange.

It's funny that OP doesn't seem to realize we live in a digital world where these numbers matter and have value.

Op said: The thing which we have just described is a kind of collective delusion, where people, based only on Nakamoto's post, consider themselves the owners of electronic coins, or generally, a digital asset. But all they have, and see with their own eyes to have, are numbers next to their addresses.

Following this thought, we have domains, we have sites, we build companies on these sites, we play online games and sell characters and items for a lot of money, we have digital photos, we buy digital art, we chat and date online, we work online, finish schools and get degrees online, but none of it matters because it isn't real. It's just code, numbers, right?

You got it all wrong. Those that you mentioned are the existing digital things. When we count those things, we get numbers that can be written digitally or on paper. If you buy 10 digital products you can have number 10 written on paper or digital invoice.

So you must be able to distinguish between the two things:

A) Real digital product
B) Number that counts the units of that product

In Nakamoto's system you have B) without A). A) is not real but exists only in people's imagination. You have numbers written on digital media(blockchan), but there's no digital product whose units would be counted with that number. The product is imaginary and mentioned in Whitepaper with two words: "electronic coin", that people now call bitcoin. Bitcoin is not real, but when you write "10 BTC" this creates the illusion it is. It creates the illusion that there's 10 units of an actual product. But no such product exists in reality. You people are the victims of that illusion. Read the OP.



 
87  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Believe Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 22, 2022, 03:54:29 PM
For that matter, the internet isn't material either, but there are many sites on it, this forum for example. Stocks in the markets have long been digital, not physical, which, like bitcoin, can be displayed on your mobile phone screen. Sending a telegram message also consists of numbers. In fact, a lot of things are digital now, but for some reason bitcoin is the only scam. Strange.
Numbers can be displayed on my mobile phone screen, not electronic coins that people call bitcoins. Those are not real. Stocks are not digital, but the numbers that count shares in stocks can be written on digital media. I recommend you to read the OP instead of just repeating usual nonsense.

Hey Snowshow, why don't you create a forum called bitcoinnotreal.org or something like that and preach that crap there? Seeing as our meager intelligence here fails to see the light that you clearly see, surely you will be very successful preaching that philosophical bullshit there?
So basically you need an echo chamber.

By participating in an echo chamber, people are able to seek out information that reinforces their existing views without encountering opposing views, potentially resulting in an unintended exercise in confirmation bias.

Btw, why do you speak in the third person?
88  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Believe Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 22, 2022, 02:07:07 PM
For that matter, the internet isn't material either, but there are many sites on it, this forum for example. Stocks in the markets have long been digital, not physical, which, like bitcoin, can be displayed on your mobile phone screen. Sending a telegram message also consists of numbers. In fact, a lot of things are digital now, but for some reason bitcoin is the only scam. Strange.
Numbers can be displayed on my mobile phone screen, not electronic coins that people call bitcoins. Those are not real. Stocks are not digital, but the numbers that count shares in stocks can be written on digital media. I recommend you to read the OP instead of just repeating usual nonsense.
89  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how Nakamoto Lied in their Whitepaper on: August 22, 2022, 11:06:31 AM


Nobody is insulting you here in this forum. It is you, who has insulted Satoshi Nakamoto by saying " satoshi nakamoto is a liar",

I am old enough to be your grand father. Now, I educating you about money, economics, coin, bitcoin and number.

Money, is property, product and services. To count money you need numbers and math. Economics is the faculty in relation to financial system and its broader scales of literacy. Coin is something round in English it is known as coil. Example gold coin or slver coin. Bitcoin is digital and math base counting unit of cash as well as an electronic service system. It is a financial product. Now your problem is how number can become a coin ?  Numbers are the representation unit of calculation which is an index. In economic sense Bitcoin literally is an economic index number which is computationally mined by logic base algorithm. To understand it simply you need some education. You know who is your father ?  He has a name. Now your father is not really that name but the person who has been given that name. Bitcoin or cryptocoin is a representation name of financial product call asset or money or currency. It is unique and ledgered by index number known as coin.

After this explation if you do not understand you may need some more help.


Your rant is showing you're pissed off. But that's because you created things in your mind.

First, I said that Nakamoto lied in the Whitepaper. Not that they are a lier. Lier is a personal feature. There's no person that could be accused of such feature. No one knows who Nakamoto is. So, you're imagining things.

Second, what you did in the rest of the rant is interesting. You rightly distinguished a thing(money - property, product, service... from a number (math abstraction) that is used to express the quantity of the thing, but you didn't say what thing do you own in the quantity of, for e.g. "10" when the number 10 is attributed to your address in the Nakamoto's system. You just used generic terms: currency, money, asset. And you did that because there's NOTHING expressed with the number 10. Bitcoin/coin/asset/money/currency ... is nowhere in the Nakamoto's system. This system manages numbers. It's a primitive communication system. It has nothing to do with payments. It's simply a means for people to access modern pyramid-style scheme.

Payment method and ownership of property require a system which must be calculative mathematically and without numbers it is I.possible to calculate the bloody capitalism base financial product such as currency printed by the central Bank. All the central Bank are main pyramid scheme created by the plutocrats. We need to find a way to by pass those crook pyramid schemes of central Bank and Bitcoin and blockchain are the two components to challenge those evil central banking institutions. Government are scapegoats just for five years. You said Satoshi lied in the White Paper and you denying that you did not said that Satoshi is  liar. Funny !
Greatly funny !

Bitcoin is not pyramid but it is something simply new and innovative methods of payment system and new wealth, which you do know it but your job is to confuse other in this forum as you have been sponsored by Warren Buffet like Persons or bankers.



Your personal opinions on fiat currencies or on me are irrelevant here. Fiat currencies are debt units. Debt is something that exist and that is returned as explained in OP. End of story.  What is important here is that none of you who use the word "bitcoin" as some mantra, are able to actually show bitcoins. You simply believe in Nakamoto's Whitepaper, just like children believe in fairytales about unicorns. Sure you can write down numbers in some database and then claim that this is the quantity of unicorns or coins, but that's just doing and talking nonsense. Saying that this is some kind of alternative to banks that create, manage, secure, and collect debt, is craziness of a high order.
90  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Believe Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 22, 2022, 07:21:27 AM
The internet is just numbers. Maybe this means that the internet isn't real, I guess. Grin
Websites, that are build with HTML code are just a bunch of HTML code, but they have value and they can be sold for a lot of money.
Having a bank account is basically owning a bunch of numbers. You get your numbers when you withdraw cash from the ATM.
OP, you sound kinda butthurt. If you are so disappointed by Bitcoin, just buy gold, real estate, commodities or just keep your cash under your bed. Nobody is forcing you to use Bitcoins, when you clearly hate Bitcoin.
We live in a world of concepts and the definition of "real" can be pretty relative.


Numbers exist everywhere. In mathematics they count abstract objects. In fiat currencies and stocks they count real debt units and real equity shares. In companies they count real product units. Numbers also exist in Nakamoto's system, where they count non-existent electronic coins. You can use numbers for counting things that are not real. For example, in your mind you imagine a group of unicorns, and then use numbers to count them. That's basically what you people do. When you get numbers via Nakamoto's system you're imagining some electronic coins and believe the received numbers count them. But the only place these coins exist is fantasy. They are not real. Just like unicorns.
 
91  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Accepted Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 22, 2022, 04:37:09 AM
What a load of crap… Another clueless moron pictures bitcoin as a ponzi scheme. Nothing original. No matter how much you scream, people will keep using bitcoin in their daily lives and lots of people will keep making money. There is a whole new industry built on top of bitcoin. You think that’s going to vanish easily? Thousands of people study blockchain technology and this helped them to have a full time job. Bitcoin creates wealth. It doesn’t just make the holders rich, bitcoin provided jobs. Without bitcoin the economy would suffer. There would be thousands of new unemployed people. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Bitcoin is inevitable.
Please stop with that nonsense. I know you people have to promote this ponzi-style bs in order to get you money back.  But it's obvious that people are not "using bitcoin". They are just registering into Nakamoto's system in order to send each other numbers. There are no electronic coins called "bitcoins", like there are debt units called "dollars", or equity units called "Tesla shares", or product units called "iPhones".  "Electronic coin" is just a word used in Nakamoto's Whitepaper.  It's not something that is real. You people look so funny when you keep mentioning that you "use bitcoins" but all you do is receive numbers after giving your debt units, products, labour or services to existing users of this ponzi-style bs.
92  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how Nakamoto Lied in their Whitepaper on: August 21, 2022, 01:02:17 PM


Nobody is insulting you here in this forum. It is you, who has insulted Satoshi Nakamoto by saying " satoshi nakamoto is a liar",

I am old enough to be your grand father. Now, I educating you about money, economics, coin, bitcoin and number.

Money, is property, product and services. To count money you need numbers and math. Economics is the faculty in relation to financial system and its broader scales of literacy. Coin is something round in English it is known as coil. Example gold coin or slver coin. Bitcoin is digital and math base counting unit of cash as well as an electronic service system. It is a financial product. Now your problem is how number can become a coin ?  Numbers are the representation unit of calculation which is an index. In economic sense Bitcoin literally is an economic index number which is computationally mined by logic base algorithm. To understand it simply you need some education. You know who is your father ?  He has a name. Now your father is not really that name but the person who has been given that name. Bitcoin or cryptocoin is a representation name of financial product call asset or money or currency. It is unique and ledgered by index number known as coin.

After this explation if you do not understand you may need some more help.


Your rant is showing you're pissed off. But that's because you created things in your mind.

First, I said that Nakamoto lied in the Whitepaper. Not that they are a lier. Lier is a personal feature. There's no person that could be accused of such feature. No one knows who Nakamoto is. So, you're imagining things.

Second, what you did in the rest of the rant is interesting. You rightly distinguished a thing(money - property, product, service... from a number (math abstraction) that is used to express the quantity of the thing, but you didn't say what thing do you own in the quantity of, for e.g. "10" when the number 10 is attributed to your address in the Nakamoto's system. You just used generic terms: currency, money, asset. And you did that because there's NOTHING expressed with the number 10. Bitcoin/coin/asset/money/currency ... is nowhere in the Nakamoto's system. This system manages numbers. It's a primitive communication system. It has nothing to do with payments. It's simply a means for people to access modern pyramid-style scheme.
93  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how People Blindly Accepted Nakamoto's Nonsense on: August 21, 2022, 07:03:49 AM
Your confusion is very understandable, different people have different brain capacity and sometimes they can't fathom new technologies that revolutionize the world unless they are dictated about their usage by some centralized authority. Since bitcoin doesn't have that, nobody told you anything and you are not equipped to understand it on your own either.

What's interesting is your persistence in convincing others with your 368 witless remarks for the past 5 months.
There's nothing revolutionary in people sending each other numbers via Nakamoto's system. There's only a giant waste of resources. It's not my fault if you believe in bitcoins but see only numbers and you're pissed off because of that. So there's no need to insult me. The problem is in you beliefs, not in me. I am helping you to see the truth and to wake up from collective delusion. You should say: "thank you" instead of insulting.
94  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how Nakamoto Lied in their Whitepaper on: August 21, 2022, 04:30:33 AM
snowshow

if your months of blab about that satoshi promised a coin
and you're waiting for a physical metal disk that has a face of some well know person engraved onto to.
then you really are going to have a long wait.

because if all of your knitpicking of saying that bitcoin doesnt work because you expect a metal circle disk. then you have missed out on alot of things about what bitcoin actually is

as for your endless rants about "a number". you are ignoring all the cryptography about ownership security and proof of possession control.

you are also forgetting the COST of acquiring the units
Whatever, a person still owns no asset but just has number next to their address. And like I said. I am not interested in the system that manages numbers nor I care about people accessing asset redistribution scheme via this system. I am simply saying that they own no coins, no money, no asset, no commodity....
95  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how Nakamoto Lied in their Whitepaper on: August 21, 2022, 04:03:33 AM
Satoshi Nakamoto is reading your Post,  Dr Snowshow. He is just saying, what is the problem with Snowshow, who is scared to come to the Forum with his real name, instead using a fake name and writing all nonsense for many months. Nakamoto is saying, Snowshow is accusing me as liar. If some one accused someone as liar in a public forum is offensive. Snowshow might be banker, who thinks his fiat banking is going lose financial power because of mass Bitcoin adoption soon, so he is trying his best attack Satoshi Nakamoto. He might be sponsored by one of banking Elite or he might be Mr Warren Buffet disguising as Snowshow and posting all nonsense over period of times.

I think, Satoshi Nakamoto needs to reavel his identity to take Dr Snowshow to the High Court. Snowshow thinks using a fake ID will protect him from being caught up. That is not the case. Frankly has tried his best over many months to educate Dr Snowshow but he does not want to learn. It will two minutes for Satoshi to find your IP and real identity. Remember Satoshi Nakamoto is a benevolent God of Money. His duty is to make sure that new weather should be redistribute justifiably. He is very much tolerant person so, may forgive your offense against him.
When you create a system that sends people numbers and you post publicly that it sends electronic coins, that's a lie. Because you know and you see that besides numbers next to their addresses, people get literally nothing else. If someone is capable to write a paper they are capable of assessing something like that as well.

But of course maybe the person or group behind Nakamoto identify was joking. And it's not Nakamoto's fault if people took the joke system seriously and started to give other people their electricity or other assets for numbers, or if they pushed the price of nothing up to the sky. That's just the nonsensical behavior of people that obviously like modern access to traditional asset redistribution schemes.

But anyway, I changed the world "lie" to "nonsense". I don't know, maybe Bitcoin Whitepaper is indeed a joke or Nakamoto is completely ignorant of economics and they genuinely thought that money are numbers.

Regarding the lawsuit. Hahahaha. How old are you?
96  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how Nakamoto Lied in their Whitepaper on: August 20, 2022, 10:49:44 AM
*nonsense statements about some other system he seen/played with/used/in his mind, that has nothing to do with bitcoin but in his mind is called bitcoin*

you have wasted many months on your "just a number" idiocy..

but now reading your latest attempt.
you have so many things wrong in just this one paragraph alone
People register in the system and get virtual addresses. These addresses identify system users, something like phone numbers or email addresses. Then, the system sends numbers to the addresses of users who invest electricity to maintain the system (the so-called "bitcoin miners"). The rule behind the sending is this: "more electricity - bigger number".
people using the actual bitcoin network do not register into a system to then be given a virtual address
you have absolutely no clue.. so i am thinking that someone showed you a altnet of a completely different system they made up.. , that they called bitcoin(brand stealing). and for months you have been describing that altnet..
.. because its clear to see you are not talking about the actual bitcoin network

if only you took those many months to actually learn about bitcoin, the actual bitcoin network. rather than just make pages of posts about something that you made up in your head or a altnet someone else made.. (that doesnt even describe how bitcoin works /functions or is used).. you might then have something to talk about

but from reading about some system you talk about which you want to call bitcoin.. that version you talk about is not bitcoin. its just a fantasy in your head and nothing to do with bitcoin
I don't know what you're talking about. You're responding to my post but write some random stuff.

In my opening post I am describing how Nakamoto lied about their system creating and transacting with electronic coins. There are no coins in the system. Nakamoto could as well claimed: "we define Ferrari as a chain of digital signatures". Users would still get only numbers next to their addresses. This is all that user have, see and manage. Numbers. There are no coins in the system, no Ferraries, nothing. One can put on paper whatever they want. It's just words.

I am also describing how people use Nakamoto's system for accessing an asset redistribution scheme. I have nothing against that. You can do whatever you want with your money. I am just refuting false narratives.
 
here is a dumbed down version of how the bitcoin network actually works

initially devices do hard calculations of a batch/pack/block of data (the data being a blocktemplate) in which this calculation produces an ID of the block that can only be correct if it has gone through many processes to find a sequence for the ID that meets a difficulty level required of the calculation
and also meets other strict rules.
these calculations have a real cost of time and electric and device costs, etc.

inside this blocktemplate data. the person who produced a ID that met the rules also had to put an allotment of units(sats awarded) which when everyone else sees that blocktemplate and the block ID that meets the difficulty requirement and is a representation of the block AND meets the rules.. they deem it to meet the rules and a valid block. thus a valid reward.
to award the block ID creator

now that winner did not register his name to get an address to associated the allotments of units to. .. what he done was create his own unique private key (varying methods) which then using cryptography creates a public key..
he does not need to register this to his own name.
instead by just having (in secret) the private key. he can produce a signature that proves he created the public key without needing a register to prove who owns which address.

so by assigning the reward to the public address. he gains control over what happens to the rewarded units because now only the person with the private key of that public address can sign over control of the units to a different address. by making a movement order request(transaction) that is signed using a secret only he knows. but can be proved via math and cryptography without revealing the secret.

when being rewarded units(sats) people can then sign some/all of their assigned units to other people.

because it cost actual electric to create the units initially people put a price on the cost of creating them units. and people started to sell the units.

those buying the units had a cost of buying the units and so when they decide to give the units to others they do so by selling the units to other people because there is a real cost of acquiring units.

and eventually more and more people have sats assigned to their addresses. and then only they can move the units assigned to their address to other peoples address

a bitcoin(btc) is an allotment of 100,000,000units(of sats)
much like a tonne is a allotment of 1,000,000units (of grams)

once you understand the complex and costly things involved you start to understand the value creation aspect of the units.

people cannot just create new units for free.
people cant move random units not assigned to them.(they cant spend units they have not acquired)
This is not how bitcoin works. This is how Nakamoto's system manages numbers. I can now describe you in detail how SMS system manages text messages. But that would be completely off topic. The same as your post.
97  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins are Not Real — Or how Nakamoto Lied in their Whitepaper on: August 20, 2022, 07:40:53 AM
"But all they have, and see with their own eyes to have, are numbers next to their addresses"

When you wrote this for some reason I thought you were referring to UTXO's when you wrote "addresses", and that you had taken a deeper dive into bitcoin than I thought. I wonder why my brain translated things this way. Maybe because you took the time to write so many words, I must have figured surely this person had taken a deep deep deep dive to write so much. Oh well, my bad.
Like I already said, I don't care about the system through which people access the redistribution scheme. I'm just describing the latter. I don't have to dive into anything to know that when I give someone my money and get number written next to my address I just participated in an instance of asset redistribution, and not in a market transaction.
98  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Satoshi Nakamoto invented non-existent bitcoins on: August 19, 2022, 09:35:19 AM
Your post is amazing.

Almost everything you wrote is silly. Except somehow, some way, you understood what few people realize, that Nakamoto's system does nothing more than transfer integer numbers from one long string of letters/numbers (public address) to another. These integer numbers today are called Satoshis (in honor of), and the white paper does not mention the word bitcoin at all. The word "bitcoin" (when used used to represent the system's native token) is just a representation of an amount of satoshis, one bitcoin = 100.000.000 satoshis. You are correct in your assessment that all that is happening is that regular plain old integer numbers (satoshis) are being  rearranged.

How you were able to understand this, and not understand anything else about how bitcoin (the network) operates, or how the system's protocol works, or how it can be used as an electronic payment system, or the implications this could have to the future of finance in this world, or why it is accruing value over time, is just mind blowing.
I agree, truth can be silly to those that deny it. Regarding the rest, in my post I am describing asset redistribution scheme, not the system that people use to access it.
99  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Satoshi Nakamoto invented non-existent bitcoins on: August 19, 2022, 07:53:36 AM

Nakamoto claims to have invented a payment system that performs transactions with its own electronic money called "bitcoin" (BTC). Bitcoins are created in the system through complex mathematical calculations. Once created, they are transferred between users registered in the system. However, all this is just one big joke or hoax. The system creates no bitcoins. It performs no transactions. Nakamoto invented no payment system. What they invented is a system through which the registered users exchange numbers.

This is a total rubbish. And it is so sad that you are ignorant about Bitcoin and yet you still decided to sit down in your ignorance to come to this forum to keep on typing total rubbish all the time. Because I know you too well, this will be the 4th time you are posting a useless thread here. And I will like to advise you that you should learn to be positive at least once in your lifetime. And stop been negative all the time, for your own good

This is not rubbish, but an actual description of modern asset redistribution schemes. You're free to participate in these schemes, just stop spreading false narratives about them.
100  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Article: Why Bitcoin is the Most Nonsensical Thing Ever on: August 19, 2022, 07:12:46 AM
Abstract

Both in academic and public discourse, bitcoin(₿) is mainly presented as money. This is grossly misleading, and it creates misconception about what bitcoin actually is. Here, we will use the definition of bitcoin given by the bitcoin creator themselves, to show that bitcoin is not money, but a common record freely available to everyone. That record serves a single purpose: to grant people access to a chain distributor scheme where participants, after making investments, cannot get anything back without “distributors”. Distributors are new participants who supply the resources to existing participants and enable them to return the investments. Given that the Bitcoin system consumes an enormous amount of energy and technical resources, while in the same time produces nothing and transacts with nothing, this makes it the most nonsensical invention ever.

The article is here: https://btcfarce.wordpress.com/
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