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81  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Not all cops are bad" on: October 29, 2014, 07:26:10 PM
it's not a premise, it's a headline and an opening statement, and it was very effective.




Thank you!!

That's the only positive comment I've heard on any of my posts (Cop related) here

Maybe it's because you post things like 'this cop did a horrible thing, so it proves all cops are terrible people.' You're going to get push back on that, as you should. Keep it to the specifics of the case, and don't over generalize, and you will find a lot more support. Your biggest supporters are likely to be libertarians, of which I am one, but they're not going to support reckless statements. We have enough trouble being taken seriously as it is without helping to spread ideas that paint us as unreasonable.

This double standard with cops has to end, where they have a different justice system and different/no consequences for breaking the laws compared to regular citizens. But no one is going to listen to that message if you come off as someone who just hates all cops because they're cops. The way you present information is as important as, if not more than, the actual information itself.

I want to be on your side. Just help me get there.
82  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Not all cops are bad" on: October 29, 2014, 06:50:20 PM
it's not a premise, it's a headline and an opening statement, and it was very effective.




It's a premise if you draw or infer a conclusion from it. Takes away from the argument imo. He's inferring all cops are bad because this cop raped a kid. Now instead of focusing on a group of bad cops, you're inviting responses arguing against the premise that all cops are bad. It's not enough to find a case of clear wrongdoing and to seek to hold those accountable. Nope, gotta over-generalize and make sweeping statements that have no basis and take away from a legitimate point, because you're revealing yourself as too biased to be reasonable.

These kinds of statements hurt the cause of reigning in police powers and abuse.
83  Other / Off-topic / Re: The great debate - dank vs vod on: October 29, 2014, 06:43:35 PM
There will come a day when I and many others create a society driven by unity rather than division.  The time is not yet right.

And dankcoin will be the currency of choice.   Roll Eyes

You're nothing but a joke to us, Sean.  You've proven your word is worthless.

If you actually read the description of dankcoin it calls for people to use the coin up until a date where we collectively stop using the coin and use all of our earnings from it to create a sustainable society of love.

Wait, wtf, there's actually a dankcoin? I thought Vod was being hilarious. Turns out he was, but not for the reason I thought!

Hes stating his failure to pay a loan, and past history of scamming that it can be called as his own coin for more scams.

But you can see his trust ripped apart for a reason. Theres a scammer tag, and its shown if he replies on the market threads.

In his tag is based on 52 btc loan he didnt pay back.. so yeah he scammed someone name squall.

No, read Dank's quote:

If you actually read the description of dankcoin it calls for people to use the coin up until a date where we collectively stop using the coin and use all of our earnings from it to create a sustainable society of love.

That's what made me think he tried to launch his own coin.
84  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Not all cops are bad" on: October 29, 2014, 06:34:42 PM
If the statement "not all cops are bad" is really true,

Why did they stand by, watching and doing nothing, as their peer officer was raping a child?

"A federal civil lawsuit filed with Texas Southern District Court back in May accused [Erasmo] Mata of assaulting the minor five times, on five separate occasions, all while on duty.  The suit alleges that the attacks took place in abandoned houses around the city as other Pharr police officers stood by and watched."

Oh, but it does not end there!

"The lawsuit also accused the department of engaging in a cover-up to protect the officers from criminal charges, as well as not conducting a rape kit or immediately testing the evidence."

That's right, they not only stood by and watched a child getting raped, they tried to cover up their fellow officer's tracks.

If I did this with my friends, I'd be locked up in minutes.

"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry."
~Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
~Thomas Jefferson (Attribution often denied by liberals)

Original source

Alternative sources for those who claim TheFreeThoughtProject is biased:

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=1115381#.VFEC2I-HbFY
https://www.google.com/search?q=Erasmo+Mata,+Jr&num=100&client=ubuntu&hs=1gW&channel=fs&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=qwJRVKDFBeae7gbV6IHoBA&ved=0CCMQsQQ&biw=1193&bih=615


I'm not one to defend cops in most cases, but your premise is flawed.

If the statement "not all cops are bad" is really true,

Why did they stand by, watching and doing nothing, as their peer officer was raping a child?

If all cops stood by, watching and doing nothing, I'd tend to agree with your assessment that this circumstance warrants the judgement that all cops are bad. But all cops were not standing by and watching while doing nothing, so your conclusion that this situation is proof that all cops are bad doesn't hold.

Also, you've quoted allegations from a lawsuit, which is one biased side of the story. Better to wait to hold it up as fact until the court has entered a finding as such.
85  Economy / Services / Re: ★☆★ Bitin.io » Instant Cryptocoin Exchange! » Accountless » Sig/Pm Campaign ★☆★ on: October 29, 2014, 06:19:52 PM
MZ, please update me to Jr. Member rank. Signature updated.
86  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 29, 2014, 06:18:30 PM
These texts go deeper into Life, the Universe, and Everything, than just morality.

Not really.  When the bible was written people didn't know very much about the universe or anything else.   Wink

I actually seriously doubt this idea.  People 2000 years ago weren't dumb, and I'm guessing that, much in the same way that blind or deaf people compensate for their handicap in other ways, people likely had strong methods of learning and interpreting information in the absence of the scientific method.

Take, for example, the fact that the overwhelming majority of pharmaceutical information is obtained by Western researchers who obtain information about the medical properties of various plants from indigenous tribal cultures in isolated parts of the world.  These cultures don't utilize the scientific method but resort to more esoteric means of learning. The mystery as to how these cultures gained the knowledge is baffling to many professional academics.  

I dispute your "fact." I think the overwhelming majority of pharmaceutical information is obtained through chemistry and research, not from information from the medical properties of various plants used be indigenous tribal cultures in isolated parts of the world. I think you've taken a few isolated cases of that happening, and are now presenting them to be the norm. They're not.

History offers perspective, my friend.

The overwhelming majority of modern pharmacy revolves around recreating or trying to induce/stimulate/inhibit what already occurs in nature. Pharmacy is a derivative of an ancient study of chemistry termed alchemy. The first pharmacy reportedly popped up in Arabia in the 6th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_industry#History

That's what it was then perhaps but that's not what it is now. Now it's about manipulating molecules to do what they want them to. A lot of our drugs are synthesized out of molecules that do not exist in nature.

edited my previous post before your reply posted/after you clicked "quote"
I would argue that synthesized chemicals are generally harder on the body because our body has not evolved to react with synthesized chemicals made via synthetic biochemical pathways (synthetic to me means not arising through biological/chemical evolution, not cognitive). But that's another topic.

You could argue that. I won't agree or disagree without seeing some actual data on it. But you're right, it seems besides the point.
87  Other / Off-topic / Re: The great debate - dank vs vod on: October 29, 2014, 06:12:29 PM
There will come a day when I and many others create a society driven by unity rather than division.  The time is not yet right.

And dankcoin will be the currency of choice.   Roll Eyes

You're nothing but a joke to us, Sean.  You've proven your word is worthless.

If you actually read the description of dankcoin it calls for people to use the coin up until a date where we collectively stop using the coin and use all of our earnings from it to create a sustainable society of love.

Wait, wtf, there's actually a dankcoin? I thought Vod was being hilarious. Turns out he was, but not for the reason I thought!
88  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 29, 2014, 06:09:05 PM
These texts go deeper into Life, the Universe, and Everything, than just morality.

Not really.  When the bible was written people didn't know very much about the universe or anything else.   Wink

I actually seriously doubt this idea.  People 2000 years ago weren't dumb, and I'm guessing that, much in the same way that blind or deaf people compensate for their handicap in other ways, people likely had strong methods of learning and interpreting information in the absence of the scientific method.

Take, for example, the fact that the overwhelming majority of pharmaceutical information is obtained by Western researchers who obtain information about the medical properties of various plants from indigenous tribal cultures in isolated parts of the world.  These cultures don't utilize the scientific method but resort to more esoteric means of learning. The mystery as to how these cultures gained the knowledge is baffling to many professional academics.  

I dispute your "fact." I think the overwhelming majority of pharmaceutical information is obtained through chemistry and research, not from information from the medical properties of various plants used be indigenous tribal cultures in isolated parts of the world. I think you've taken a few isolated cases of that happening, and are now presenting them to be the norm. They're not.

History offers perspective, my friend.

The overwhelming majority of modern pharmacy revolves around recreating or trying to induce/stimulate/inhibit what already occurs in nature. Pharmacy is a derivative of an ancient study of chemistry termed alchemy. The first pharmacy reportedly popped up in Arabia in the 6th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_industry#History

That's what it was then perhaps but that's not what it is now. Now it's about manipulating molecules to do what they want them to. A lot of our drugs are synthesized out of molecules that do not exist in nature.
89  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Barriers to introducing people to bitcoin on: October 29, 2014, 06:06:56 PM
I think new people will only come when a clear bottom has been found, too many price speculations are going on. The long term chart doesn't look particulalry attractive for people to jump in


It seems like long term, as more companies take bitcoins, its going to bring price down.  No one wants to go through the hassle of buying more bitcoins once they spend them, or buy some and risk waiting 4 days (with coinbase) just to see them worth less by the time they can use them. 

It only only be easier to get coins in the future. I don't think that will be much of an issue. Look how much easier it is to buy coins now than it was 18 months ago, where there were no companies doing this. Now there are several large companies converting fiat to btc. As btc continues to be adopted, it will be easier to obtain, and the price will probably be more stable too.

As to whether this long term downward trend we've been on will continue, I couldn't say. And I actually don't know if more merchant adoption helps or hurts price. On the one hand, more merchants in theory should equate to more people using the coin, thus more demand. On the other hand, no merchant holds bitcoins, they immediately convert to fiat, so this is a huge negative on the supply side, as merchants are constantly selling.

90  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ebola will come if airlines will not stop to fly to Africa on: October 29, 2014, 06:01:23 PM
That's why Obama sent troops rather than doctors and nurses to Africa to fight ebola. If they find anyone with ebola, they are supposed to shoot on sight and burn the bodies. These troops must know that they can never come back.

Smiley

Don't be daft. Nothing of the sort is going on. Don't be the typical internet poster, posting unsubstantiated and baseless "facts."
91  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the government be destroyed? on: October 29, 2014, 05:58:15 PM
Yeah that infinite energy stuff, totally worthless since you can't profit off it.

If you had infinite energy, you could profit off it. But you don't, so...
92  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 29, 2014, 05:56:41 PM
These texts go deeper into Life, the Universe, and Everything, than just morality.

Not really.  When the bible was written people didn't know very much about the universe or anything else.   Wink

I actually seriously doubt this idea.  People 2000 years ago weren't dumb, and I'm guessing that, much in the same way that blind or deaf people compensate for their handicap in other ways, people likely had strong methods of learning and interpreting information in the absence of the scientific method.

Take, for example, the fact that the overwhelming majority of pharmaceutical information is obtained by Western researchers who obtain information about the medical properties of various plants from indigenous tribal cultures in isolated parts of the world.  These cultures don't utilize the scientific method but resort to more esoteric means of learning. The mystery as to how these cultures gained the knowledge is baffling to many professional academics. 

I dispute your "fact." I think the overwhelming majority of pharmaceutical information is obtained through chemistry and research, not from information from the medical properties of various plants used be indigenous tribal cultures in isolated parts of the world. I think you've taken a few isolated cases of that happening, and are now presenting them to be the norm. They're not.
93  Economy / Gambling / Re: ToTheMoon.is -- Moneypot in space on: October 29, 2014, 05:40:41 PM
Someone, I think elm, said we should have a Provably Fair Police. I replied, I will be the first Director-General.

yes I still think that would be very helpful for the masses of btc players. for example each btc casino should be checked if they are provably fair by the Provably fair police (PFP). those casinos should pay a fee to the PFP and will have an icon on their site that will show that they are checked and accredited by the PFP.
now players can feel secure to play on those sites and players should stay away from sites not checked and accredited by the PFP.

and in case a player has lost and thinks he was cheated and lost  a lot of coins the PFP maybe can check his claims but the player will need to the PFP for their work.

just my 2 satoshis and just an idea and invite other users here to make it perfect if possible



Problem with this system is that the people being "regulated" are paying the "regulator" to give them a clean bill of health. Obvious conflict of interest.

And tip of the hat to blockage for those graphs and stats. Really well done mate!
94  Economy / Economics / Re: Video: The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind on: October 29, 2014, 05:14:27 PM
Interesting video.

I hope bitcoin digital currency can be in the future, free from government intervention, free of taxes, free of policy and government monopoly, absolutely free ...  Cheesy
I do not think governments can ever regulate bitcoin. I do not think they can regulate banks either.  Roll Eyes

I don't know about bitcoin itself, but to the extent there is any regulation, you would have to regulate it at the access points. That is, where people turn fiat into btc. That's beginning to happen already, and it's not going to stop.
95  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The White European should be praised for their actions concerning slavery on: October 27, 2014, 09:58:41 PM
We agree compliments are not racist and I agree generalising too much about a group could be racist but am not doing that, Europeans were the first ones to abolish slavery and pushed for its abolition in most countries thus should not be blamed more than any other culture in regards to slavery when they clearly are; if anything they should be blamed way less and praised for the actions they took that led to less slavery in the world; people that blame the Europeans for slavery have to be considered in favor of slavery, hope you are not

Let me help you with the difference between fact and opinion.

We agree compliments are not racist and I agree generalising too much about a group could be racist but am not doing that, Europeans were the first ones to abolish slavery and pushed for its abolition in most countries thus should not be blamed more than any other culture in regards to slavery when they clearly are; if anything they should be blamed way less and praised for the actions they took that led to less slavery in the world; people that blame the Europeans for slavery have to be considered in favor of slavery, hope you are not

"Facts" are in bold, opinions are underlined. This was the first response where you attempted to state a "fact." The word "facts" is in quotations because there is no source, and it's so vague that it may be true. For example, "the first ones" means what? People in the world? People in the developed world? People in Europe? The loose way your "fact" is presented raises questions as to its validity, but even taking it on face value, it remains that the vast majority of what you're posting is still opinion.
96  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The White European should be praised for their actions concerning slavery on: October 27, 2014, 09:53:51 PM
So now because I talked with you first, you now get to decide with whom I talk to and which topics I am addressing now?

Haha, jesus h. christ, no. My point is OP posted something and I responded to him. Then you quoted me, directly responding to what I said, and started talking about something neither of us were talking about. I took exception to it because it didn't address what I said, but implied I was down with slavery.

As for us both saying the same thing, I've already quoted it. How many times do I have to quote it, and what good does it do since I've already quoted it and you ignored it?

Here it is again, just for the devil of it, my first post in this thread:

So you're advancing the idea that because some people who used to own slaves eventually voted to abolish it, those people should be commended even though they first failed to reject slavery as evil when they had the first opportunity, thereby tolerating and partaking in an institution that destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives?

I'm not buying it.

This was in response to the OP, which was "The White European should be praised for their actions concerning slavery" (the title of this thread).


And just for reference, here's the part where you and I expressed the exact same sentiment (again):

While I agree Europe probably didn't invent race slavery, they most certainly did house the worlds LARGEST raced based slave trade corporations, and made the most profit from the trade. As far as them deserving less blame because they were some of the early pioneers of abolition of slavery is not exactly valid either. A bad act doesn't erase a good act just as good doesn't erase a bad act.

So you're advancing the idea that because some people who used to own slaves eventually voted to abolish it, those people should be commended even though they first failed to reject slavery as evil when they had the first opportunity, thereby tolerating and partaking in an institution that destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives?

I'm not buying it.


We're saying the same thing. Can't we just agree to agree?


No, because we aren't saying the same thing...
1. Not all abolitionists were slave holders
2. Most slave holders that later became abolitionists were born into the system (like most of us today)
3. The people who abolished slavery were not the same individuals that implemented the system

You seem to be arguing that most former slave holders one day decided slavery is wrong, but because they once thought it was ok they deserve condemnation. It is almost as if you are treating the entire nation as if they were one slave holding individual. Some people deserve praise, others do not. Your analysis of the situation is incomplete.

No, that's not MY argument for christ sake. That's OPs argument, based on the way he generally lumped the people who abolished slavery in with the people who started it by only identifying them based on their race. OP's sole qualifier is "white Europeans." It makes no sense to praise "white Europeans" for ending slavery unless you're trying to counter the argument that "white Europeans" have something to be ashamed of re: slavery. If you're trying to give credit to the specific generation that ended slavery, you would not lazily over generalize like that. The fact that you do is evidence you're trying to say that later generations of "white Europeans" made up for the earlier generations of "white Europeans." That's the argument I'm taking issue with.

I'm not saying the people who ended slavery don't deserve credit. I'm saying if you're sole qualifier for identification is based on a general race you cannot exclude their entire history. You're ascribing to me an argument I am not making, by virtue of my single response to OP. On top of that, you said the same thing I did later: "As far as them deserving less blame because they were some of the early pioneers of abolition of slavery is not exactly valid either. A bad act doesn't erase a good act just as good doesn't erase a bad act." Either my first response you took issue with and this response with you is correct, or you're arguing against your own point as well as mine. It cannot hold that my first response is wrong, but when you said it three days later it was correct.
97  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the government be destroyed? on: October 26, 2014, 04:27:32 PM
Government cannot be destroyed.  Government is made up of a collection of individuals with their own desires and ambitions.  The people who run the taxation wing of the government often have little to do with the banking wing.

It just means if crypto currencies become mainstream then governments would continue collecting taxes, except it would be in digital currencies and not $Fiat.



So long as you believe in their power, they'll hold that power.

Stop fearing them and stop using money, and they have absolutely no power.  Their power is illusory.

Stop using money. Steal stuff instead. -Dank

Someone should publish a book of your best quotes.

I guess someone wasn't taught how to share as a kid.

Sharing benefits every party involved with the transaction.  You feel good for helping someone, they feel food for being helped, everyone wins.

People create things, not money.  Money only retards the progress.

Dank, money is just a representation of the value of the things people create. If you don't have any, it's because you're not making anything people value.

Do you not see the money induced mind of greed kills many many people?

Remove the tool that gives them power and all you have to do is not fear them.  Death is nothing to fear.  When you realize this you can live freely.  Peace.

Stand for a purpose for the higher good of humanity and the universe will look after you.

The revolution will be a spiritual revolution.

Do you not see that the reason you have no money is because you offer nothing of value to society?
98  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Pentagon Will Use 30 Person "Quick-Strike Team" To Deal With Domestic Ebola on: October 26, 2014, 04:24:46 PM
No need to worry, we're all gonna be safe thanks to this. It's starting to be clear in my mind that they brought this disease here to be able to manage it in order to re-introduce it to the enemy elements of the US. Hopefully, dissidents are above the cut.

I don't see the conspiracy here you do. The CDC already has samples of Ebola, it doesn't need to be "brought here" to be managed. Further, that doesn't even make sense, how bringing it here would allow us to "manage" it so it can be introduced elsewhere.
There are already instances of ebola in the US that are not under control.

The OP is implying that people might be forcefully quarantined if they do not agree with the administration and/or if they will not vote the way the administration wants them to. (in a similar way the IRS would send excessive amounts of questions to non-profits who did not support Obama)

That makes no sense at all. How would they know how you vote? It also supposes an outbreak so large that they could justify quarantining you at will for political reasons. And if the outbreak is that large, they'd be quarantining you for legitimate reasons, not political reasons.
99  Other / Politics & Society / Re: AMAZON POSTS $437M LOSS IN Q3 on: October 26, 2014, 01:19:46 PM
I think that CC do increase their costs (actually decrease the revenue, but this is an accounting technicality) however the CC costs do not affect their bottom line enough so they would have been profitable had they accepted bitcoin (even if all transactions were done in bitcoin).

Their primary cost is that of shipping as they offer "free" shipping that is getting increasingly expensive for them to offer to customers. There was actually an article in the WSJ recently about how many companies are increasing the minimum purchase required to be eligible for free shipping

CC fees don't decrease revenue. Revenue is the topline number. CC fees decrease profitability, but not revenue.
100  Economy / Services / Re: ★☆★ Bitin.io » Instant Cryptocoin Exchange! » Accountless » Sig/Pm Campaign ★☆★ on: October 26, 2014, 01:10:38 PM
Confirmed payment, will stay enrolled. Thx.
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