I had no debt it was a donation for all I care.
The fact that you choose to interpret it as such is what everyone is taking issue with. It amounts to someone handing the shopkeeper a $20 instead of a $10 by mistake, and the shopkeeper saying "as far as I'm concerned, that's my tip. You can't have it back". It's dishonest behavior, and that's why people are calling you out on it. We're not saying you're the biggest scammer of all time, so don't trivialize the objections by making us sound irrational. You'd be pissed off if the shopkeeper kept your $20, even if it was just $10 lost. The fact that you're making this a huge issue of "bitcoin doesn't have chargebacks" just shows how far you've gone to rationalize what you've done and to avoid admitting you're wrong. This has nothing to do with bitcoin chargebacks. We know that bitcoin can't do chargebacks, and that's why you still have the money. The point is your honesty (or lack thereof) and the fact that you're citing a technical aspect of bitcoin (the lack of chargebacks support in the protocol) as a justification for your own decision. |
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Mine just arrived, and it's delicious!  |
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if anyone were to cut off this kid's hands, the world could begin to be a better place. maybe we could force him to commit suicide like atlas.  Okay, what the fuck? I think bulanula is a scumbag too, but there are degrees of scumbaggery and there are shades of gray between complete innocence and torture/death. Fewer extreme opinions of the sort you seem to have would probably make the world a better place than implementing them on bulanula. |
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Please change my signature to :
If you send money to me I WILL take it and run ! I am the biggest SCAMMER on these forums ! BEWARE !
Also change the text under my scammer avatar to :
I am the biggest SCAMMER on the forums !!!
Don't forget : flood my bitcoin-otc profile with -10 ratings from your sockpuppets so I cannot scam anyone on there too !!!
I need to get my profile all SCAMMED out folks !
Wow, going full retard on this one. Can't we ban him already? It's beyond tiring. Why ban ? Just delete my account and all my 1900 useless trolling posts !!! Is there a higher piss stained ignore level than the color I am already on ? You're just being irrational now. Snap out of it, stop throwing your silly tantrum, and look for constructive solutions to the problem instead of just bitching about how everyone is out to get you. Not all is lost, but if you keep this up, it will be. |
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TBH I don't care anymore. There is no justice on this forum for people that have not donated 50 BTC.
I just want this shiny avatar warning people of how big a scammer I am :
Fuck that avatar and the scammer tag. Give him "King of rationalization" or "Wannabe victim" as a tag, instead. Clearly the only reason someone would claim bulanula to be dishonest is because he has ulterior motives. It is inconceivable that bulanula might just be in the wrong. I am in the wrong ! I am a big fat Nigerian scammer ! I will steal all your BTCs ! I am Bernie ! I want that avatar !!! Can't you change your own avatar? He's too busy bitching about how everyone's out to get him to pay attention to logic like that. He's ignored several useful posts that actually would help him out (like my suggestions, or BTC_Bear's offer to contribute to a payback) and keeps harping on about the fucking avatar or about how donators are after him. |
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TBH I don't care anymore. There is no justice on this forum for people that have not donated 50 BTC. I just want this shiny avatar warning people of how big a scammer I am :  Fuck that avatar and the scammer tag. Give him "King of rationalization" or "Wannabe victim" as a tag, instead. Clearly the only reason someone would claim bulanula to be dishonest is because he has ulterior motives. It is inconceivable that bulanula might just be in the wrong. |
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Find it quite funny that all the donators and VIPs are on smart1985's side and some of the other "normal" people are saying not a scammer.
Write it off as a big donator conspiracy against you, but I honestly don't give a fuck about who smart1985 is. If you look back, I made many similar arguments against the asshole who stole 500 of phantomcircuit's coins several months ago in a similar erroneous transfer. My donator status means that I gave 10 coins to theymos to keep the forum running. The secret donator forum is a graveyard and we mostly don't know each other or speak to each other. But if you want to keep thinking that because I sent $50 to a stranger on the internet who provides a worthy service, somehow I was inducted into a secret cabal of bulanula-haters, go ahead. It's also worth noting that like Matthew, I don't think you're a scammer. You're a thief, instead  |
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The real scammers get away while somebody like me ( registered since May 10 2011 and 1800+ posts and did deals of 100 BTC worth on here perfectly ) gets humiliated for not giving a damn refund and censored like a good comrade  See, this just pisses me off. Stop writing off other people's issues with you as unreasonable and ascribing them to communist ideals (isn't that what the comrade reference was for?) and censorship. You do not have the freedom to steal from other people. Even the most hardcore (left-)libertarian or anarcho-capitalist (neither of which describe me, I should add) still believes in strong property rights underpinning a productive society. You acquired possession of smart1985's coins; not ownership of them. But you are acting as if they belong to you now. |
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Seems that they are now also deleting all of my posts outside of this thread. Very nice !
When do I get the new avatar, please !
If you're done playing the victim, you might want to respond to my posts. I'm not insulting you and I'm not trolling; I'm giving you reasoned explanations of why people are reacting the way they are, which is (surprisingly to us) surprising to you. You can keep moaning about how you were wronged by the scammer tag and suggesting that the administration is being bribed, but that isn't a productive approach to the situation. The solution here is for you to: - Stop acting like the victim: it pisses everyone off and doesn't buy you any sympathy from anyone.
- Admit that despite smart1985 being a dick to you, what you did was wrong.
- Emphasize that your lame attempts to justify your actions in this thread and elsewhere were knee-jerk reactions against what you felt to be unjust treatment on the part of the forum administration and membership, and are not representative of how you really approach business and life.
- Return the coins, or come to a mutual agreement with smart1985 about what to do to resolve the situation.
You're free to ignore my suggestions, but if you do anything less than what I listed, I doubt you'll recover your reputation. |
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Well two differences in my case :
-the guy was not happy with double the product
-the guy started attacking me and claiming I am scammer, theif, liar PUBLICLY
Result : I sure as hell won't give him no damn refund for a customer that is stupid and does not know how to handle his own damn mistake and stupidity !
You're sounding like a broken record, so I might as well repeat what I said last time: you are not entitled to take his money because he was a dick to you. We might not have technical means to enforce a judgment against you, but the social means (labeling you a thief, ostracizing you) seem to work just fine, too. |
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In BTC there are no refunds. It is meant to be irreversible. I was not asking for USD.
You make a mistake you face up to it. There is no chargeback or some other crap.
You delete the wallet the coins are lost etc.
As I just said, the lack of chargebacks (a technical feature) doesn't make theft (a human act) obsolete. The fact that we consider spending an erroneous transfer to be theft is not dependent on the currency in which it happens. If I you're my neighbor and accidentally receive my sweet-ass pimped out computer (physical goods), you don't get to use it. If you accidentally receive my bank transfer (USD), you don't get to spend it. If you accidentally receive my bitcoins (virtual currency), you don't get to keep it. Or rather, you do, but it makes you a thief. It's up to you, really, but your reaction and lame attempts to justify your act of theft have done way more to destroy your reputation than the scammer tag ever did. |
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Both casascius and copumpkin are obviously just part of the nepotism since they donated to the forums! and gigavps, and Matthew, and … … Oh. Yeah, I'm actually just doing this cause smart1985 (was that his username?) is paying me 50 coins to argue on his behalf I don't give a fuck, otherwise. |
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I don't even get a chance of appeal or to defend myself.
Then try to, right here. I've made a couple of posts already explaining how what you did was wrong, and you keep ignoring them and focusing on the trolls and bitching about how the VIP is getting preferential treatment. We've established that the whole "I didn't hold a gun to his head so his money transfer was clearly a donation to me" angle is bullshit, so give us another justification of your behavior. My justification was this : 1. He made the mistake and he takes it out on me. Calls me scammer, thief, liar; gets my BTC-E account banned and comes on here as well to get me scam tag just because he is VIP 2. All this before I even had chance to pay BTC back because it was easter time celebrations 3. Seeing his procedure and decision to directly attack me without giving me a chance to give his btc back and talking to me about it nicely in private and not ruining my reputation 4. I decide to give refund in the form of product so I give him 10 months ( what he paid ) and 2 months bonus. It was the best I could do. Money is still there. Ad was there until theymos removed it. His mistake and I try and compensate for it but if he is a jerk with me I am also a jerk with him. He started it. Why does he still not comment on here and talk to me privately to sort it out like two men ? Why does he attack me indirectly being a pussy ? Why does he use theymos ( gives me scammer tag ) and other ways to attack me indirectly ? He does not want his little side business with mybitcointrade.com and btc-play.com to get hurt and other people to see he is attacking me directly. You don't get to steal from someone if they're a dick to you. Did you read the article I linked to? Do you think the legal outcome would have been different had the sender of the quarter-million GBP been a dick to the receiver? This isn't even about being the better person, as some people have made it out to be. It's about not stealing someone's money. Remember kids: possession does not imply ownership. And we may not have the technical means, with bitcoin, to reclaim someone's property, but that doesn't stop it from being theirs. The lack of chargebacks doesn't magically make the notion of theft obsolete. |
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I don't even get a chance of appeal or to defend myself.
Then try to, right here. I've made a couple of posts already explaining how what you did was wrong, and you keep ignoring them and focusing on the trolls and bitching about how the VIP is getting preferential treatment. We've established that the whole "I didn't hold a gun to his head so his money transfer was clearly a donation to me" angle is bullshit, so give us another justification of your behavior. |
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I may be an asshole but not a scammer. The tag is not justified. He makes mistake. I say I give BTC back. He attacks me. I did my best to give what he paid for but no refund after he treats me like a thief because he made the mistake first and even so he starts attacking ME for no reason. The fact I got scammer tag on here just because he is VIP and gets to play around with the admins any way he wants just shows how fair this whole community is. Scam = A dishonest scheme; a fraud. Swindle. I never did anything like that. I refuse to pay for his mistakes when he acts like a jerk in the first place towards me. Will he get my BTC-E account unbanned ? Will he take back his harsh words "liar, thief, scammer" ? Will he roll back my reputation he ruined on the forum ? I doubt it. And still I am the "guilty" one with the big SCAMMER tag  Okay, scammer might be pushing it. Thief is what you'd get called in the real world, but we don't have a tag for that. |
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He gave me the BTC with his own free will. I never hacked his client. I never pointed a gun to his head. I get the scammer tag just because he is VIP on here and donated to forum ... so he gets to label me anything  This isn't about nepotism. Read http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/jan/09/bank-account-250000-error, for a real-world example of the same situation (there are many others). You are in the wrong, here. |
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In the real world, if someone accidentally makes a bank transfer to you and you go spend it, you're liable for theft (you don't usually have the option of not returning the money unless you've spent it). At least, that's what I've gathered. And regardless of the law, it makes you a douchebag, and I certainly wouldn't want to do business with someone who won't hesitate to screw me if I make a mistake in my dealings with him, so I say the tag is appropriate. In fact, even if he does end up returning the money, the whole "screw you if you make a mistake" attitude wouldn't make me want to trade with you any more. Some people have no honour and decency. Not your mistake ? That's typical eastern attitude...
He's an asshole, but generalizations like that are unnecessary and just reflect badly on you. |
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Like this drawing, it's cute I agree! They're all pretty cute, which is why he deserves a tip! |
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After a discussion on #bitcoin-assets I would like to make something clear.
Mining bonds and shares that have a fixed output value DO NOT WORK.
I have seen bonds that pay 1mhash forever. When the hardware fails, the owner has to, essentially, go out and sell more bonds and use that to replace the failed hardware, which ends up leading to a situation that you have zero mining company growth because essentially 100% of the profits are being paid out to bond holders and the only way to grow at all is triggered by hardware failure and new bonds are greatly diluted by old bonds. This is a pyramid scheme.
I've also seen companies that pay 100% company profits out as dividends. I'm going to say the same exact thing, hardware fails, zero company growth, sells new shares for more hardware, but this time, old shares don't dilute new shares, its the opposite, it screws old investors in favor of new ones and thats STILL a pyramid scheme.
These models are unsustainable, and I wish people would quit requesting that I change the contract to fit these models. This is why the contract makes shares have a non-binding voting mechanism, because this is probably the first thing that would be attempted to be voted on.
In addition, due to the perpetual growth model of my plan, dividend output can go up. Yes, thats right, it can go UP. Those figures in the plan? That is calculated for the original generation of hardware only. 0.21 BTC (post December) per share dividend annually means 0.21 BTC also goes to the growth fund. After two or three years, the size of the mining hardware installation can be doubled. And two or three years after that? Doubled again. If after five or six years I've managed to greatly out pace the growth of the network, then we could very easily be looking at 0.42 BTC (post December) per share (which also means people might be buying shares from the first generation of investors for twice what they were originally purchased for).
There is no other company on GLBSE that has a model that can sustain continued growth, every single company will be dead in the water within two or three years.
I think you've ignored the buyback clauses in the existing mining bonds. There's also the whole time value of money business that explains why it can be profitable to sell perpetuities. Calling these things pyramid schemes and saying they're doomed to fail is not going to make you any friends. And I hate to say it, but if you want to raise money, you need to try to avoid pissing people off. |
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