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81  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETH will have forking soon, PoS and you know where the price shall go :) on: August 23, 2017, 07:22:26 PM
Proof of State means that Ethereum Foundation and their 72,000,000 Premined coins are now officially running the network. Game over.


It's just like the DAO hack when they supposedly had 'community consensus' to fork, and 95% of the votes came from a few whale addresses, now since their blockchain is even bigger than bitcoins they don't have any choice but to make it even more obvious, since mining is impossible.

Decentralized...yea.

In the eyes of the Law proof of stake means there will now be even more centralized ownership of Ethereum, aka preferred stock holders running a company to target.

82  Economy / Exchanges / Re: BTC-e hacked ?? on: August 18, 2017, 08:14:01 PM
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I  did the do diligence. Smiley

FinCEN number it's just federal registration number. It is NOT a license. FinEN registration does NOT provide you licensing rights to operate as a money transmitter in the States.  

Any exchanger who want to operates in USA(this includes Kraken, Poloniex, Bittrex and many others) MUST register as MSB in  ALL the States where they want to make business and then to register with FINCEN.

They register on FINCEN website(it's very simple do that; you can do it yourself by using any name you want) and they are saying that they are MSB. It's a PURE LIE  Smiley

If you take a look on FINCEN website(at bottom), you will notice that there is an alert toward to this thing :

"Information contained on this site has been provided by the MSB registrant. FinCEN does not verify information submitted by the MSB. Information provided on this site reflects only what was provided directly to FinCEN"

https://www.fincen.gov/msb-registrant-search

Many exchangers are lying and misleading. In fact, they have no license, so they are considered as unlicensed money transmitting business.

Wow if they are blatantly lying and deceiving people about it yes that is very bad.

You may be right because I looked them up here: http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org/Home.aspx/SubSearch?searchText=Bittrex%2c+Inc

Which is supposed to show the State licenses obtained by any financial service providers and it doesn't list them here. Have you checked the various department of State websites to see if they provide any other licensing info?

This is actually pretty incredible if true....people should get their money OFF bittrex until they register...
83  Economy / Exchanges / Re: BTC-e hacked ?? on: August 18, 2017, 03:50:37 PM
There were MANY warnings about BTC-e as they are about Poloniex, Kraken and Bitfinex.   Mark my words literally : all these exchangers will be closed soon. I said the same about BTC-e and literally it was like that Smiley

today, many are still using these exchangers despite the high risks and they will come whining that some "authority" seized their funds (like they are doing with BTC-e now ). Smiley  

yes, this thing is amazing.



Are you forecasting closure for Bitstamp , Coinbase, Bittrex as well even though they're regulated ?

Bittrex is NOT regulated so it can be closed anytime.

 Shocked

I did not know that information



I know it may sound like I came here to make jokes, but the intention is not this, does anyone here believe that can recover his bitcoin?


That's because it's BS, mayax is a troll and should be on everyone's Ignore List.

Bittrex is a crypto only exchange, no fiat.
The only place that regulates pure crypto exchanges is Washington State, and both Bitfinex and Poloniex don't service customers from there as part of the terms and condition.



I am sorry to say that you are misinformed(I don't want to say that you are so stupid because you are an arrogant kid) Smiley

according to FINCEN : a person is an exchanger and a money transmitter if the person accepts de-centralized virtual currency from one person and transmits it to another person as part of the acceptance and transfer of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency.

so, ALL the exchangers are MSB(even they don't deal with fiat), including the miners who are selling bitcoin for currency, little snotty .



Although you are correct that the US exchanges (even crypto-to-crypto), are indeed required to register with FinCen and the individual States as an MSB, I don't think you have properly inquired into Bitrrex in the FinCen MSB Database.

It would appear they registered as of May and do indeed have licenses applicable in all States.

Do the do diligence if you're going to accuse someone of something instead of getting obstreperous over a non-issue; you're going to give yourself a heart-attack.


84  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Foundation - A Swiss Corporation founded by US citizens for tax evasion on: August 17, 2017, 08:58:16 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1962536.msg20944757#msg20944757
85  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Foundation - A Swiss Corporation founded by US citizens for tax evasion on: August 17, 2017, 06:26:12 AM
So basically you're asking us to judge a service based upon the ownership. So if McDonald's was owned by a different person or a different group of individuals, Suddenly there food would taste different? Companies are open for whatever reason they're open for, if the service or the product suit your needs then use it if not then do not.

Why would I ask anyone to do anything? Everyone should make up their own mind based on the facts. I notice you admit Ethereum is a corporation, and sold a product/security? Why then, didn't they abide by the corporate laws then when they sold and launched Ethereum? Why did they hide their for-profit status under the guise of a non profit? McDonalds has to abide by the law, else people would be getting sick. So which is it, a centralized corporation that sells something, or a decentralized one? Can't have both. Proof is right in front of you.
86  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Swiss Bank to Sell Ether and Bitcoin Cash to Customers on: August 17, 2017, 04:26:31 AM
Why would a bank sell a centralized scam coin like Ethereum? Trying to cash in on the hype?
87  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum SCAM? on: August 17, 2017, 03:40:23 AM
Are guys saying ETH is a scam because 70m coins were not mined?

FYI, those 70m coins were ethereum's ICO. They were sold to the public, not hoarded by Vitalik.

Its as simple as that.

Your eschew from reality is admirable, actually, only 60 million of those coins were 'sold', the rest were pocketed by Vitalik and the Ethereum foundation, which they freely admit, and is viewable on their blockchain; asides from your rather vain attempt at sophistry, yes, the majority were in fact sold by 'Ethereum Foundation' to 'anonymous' investors (cough cough), all the whilst said 'Ethereum Foundation' was formed as a NON-PROFIT corporation; thus according to law, inappropriately and illegally selling their 'shares' in Ethereum as a product or security; exclusively on the terms that future investors would make the initial investors profit; which is polymorphously illegal in both US and Swiss Law.

You people don't seem to yet grasp the illegality of selling products/securities to investors from a centralized mechanism (corporation), solely on the promise of future profits; Don't worry, the SEC see's it, that's why they have specifically declared it illegal.

Ethereum is not decentralized, it was created and sold by a corporation, which in turn incurred a hefty profit. There was an issuer, or sale, according to the law. This thing is nothing like bitcoin, not even close; there are liable parties who made a surreptitious profit on a sale. Wait until they go 'proof of stake', then the fun really begins as the law now has preferred stock holders to go after.

Ethereum is literally the definition of a ponzi.

People's only argument that it isn't a scam is 'people buy it, therefore it isn't a scam'. Yet most of you cannot see the flaw in this line of reasoning?
This is a logical fallacy of an immutable apex, it is propounded as an 'appeal to popularity', which is a flaw in critical thinking.

Why is this fallacy applicable? Since logically, simply because a newb populous 'buys' into something, doesn't factually make it not a scam.

Bernie Madoff was in business from 1960 until 2008 before the Feds caught up with him.

Subsequently, if ETH isn't a scam, why did the Ethereum Foundation, a NOT FOR PROFIT corporation founded by Americans, have to sell their product on the promise of profit from future investors? This wasn't launched 'decentrally', not even close, it was sold by a for-profit corporation. This is not cryptocurrency in the slightest sense.

This is how corporate stock issues work, period.

The SEC has contemporaneously declared ICOs' an illegal offering of a security; Ethereum itself therefore consummated an illegal ICO offering, as have the hundreds of pseudo-companies releasing their ICOs' on Ethereum's very centralized platform; which was created and sold by the 'Ethereum Foundation'; Which in turn, according to law, makes them a very liable party for all of the ICO scams running today.

This is why Vitalik can fork or modify Ethereum at will, as proven by what he did after the DAO hack; Ethereum is not decentralized in the slightest, it has ownership in the eyes of the law. (How vulnerable is Ethereum, really?)

Further, why hasn't a single 'dapp' been released as speculated in the whitepaper? There has been ubiquitous purchasing of this product based on 'hype' alone, yet no actual substance; which again, is the definition of a ponzi. This is why people don't want to admit it's a scam, it's hard to admit you got taken in by the hype, whilst the reality of the situation screams otherwise.

Why were smart contracts invented by one 'Nick Szabo' in 1996, whilst Vitalik usurped his work, propounded a simulacrum, and precluded giving due credit for the already existing technology?

Smart contracts are computer protocols intended to facilitate, verify, or enforce the negotiation or performance of a contract. Smart contracts were first proposed by Nick Szabo in 1996.

Why does the Ethereum network crash constantly and is unable to handle the most basic of ICO launches, despite the millions supposedly poured into it? Wouldn't it crash even more if a 'dapp' ever got released? As of today all of the 'hype' that ethereum promised is nugatory upon delivery, it is literally vaporware.

Why is the Ethereum blockchain already larger than Bitcoin's, making it unpractical for mining, let alone using or downloading a private user wallet?

Why is there not a single working stable user wallet outside of a centralized website (myetherwallet), or closed-source 'multi-wallets' that are highly vulnerable, while the 'official' mist wallet hardly works, despite the millions in profit these people have made?

Again, why did a group of US citizens form a non-profit corporation in Switzerland to evade taxes and sell their product? They did so in violation of not only US Law, but also the Swiss law for non-profit corporations. These people have proved they are not only willing, but ready and able to run off with hard-earned legitimate money, en perpetuity. Buy at your own risk.


How is any of this not a scam?

'There's a sucker born every minute' -- P.T. Barnum

88  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Foundation - A Swiss Corporation founded by US citizens for tax evasion on: August 16, 2017, 06:15:58 PM
89  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Foundation - A Swiss Corporation founded by US citizens for tax evasion on: August 16, 2017, 05:42:48 PM
SEC declares ICO's illegal, even mentions Ethereum & the DAO, but says 'for now' they aren't pursuing them... this is just the SEC who deals in securities frauds, these people also didn't pay their 'for-profit' taxes  Shocked Huh

So is 'Ethereum Foundation' liable for their initial ICO & all of the hundreds of subsequent ICO's launched on their platform, and taxes?  Shocked Shocked

It would seem they made alot of profit, for having a not for profit corporation.

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/investreport/34-81207.pdf
90  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum SCAM? on: August 16, 2017, 03:25:36 AM
Lol seriously! Ethereum is not a scam.  There are lots of ETH holders and investors.Eth is the only coin that has capability to overtake Bitcoin in Market Cap. We can't stop those people who has negative thoughts about it especially if eth is getting negative each day.

If it's not a scam then why did a group of US citizens form a non-profit swiss corporation known as 'Ethereum Foundation', for the purposes of tax evasion, whom sold a product or security called 'Ether' to speculators on the promise of profits from future investors? Decentralized? Hardly.

This is the definition of a ponzi.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒn.zi/; also a Ponzi game)[1] is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator generates returns for older investors through revenue paid by new investors, rather than from legitimate business activities or profit of financial trading. Operators of Ponzi schemes can be either individuals or corporations, and grab the attention of new investors by offering short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent.
91  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Foundation - A Swiss Corporation founded by US citizens for tax evasion on: August 16, 2017, 12:05:05 AM
Intel and Microsoft laundering taxes in Ethereum network?

And thats why today 14 bigest law corps  with total more than 20 billions revenue joined EEA.


If so, let it be. I dont care if Eth will cost 1000$ to the end of this year.

Bitcoin and even plain $$ is used by criminals too.

Its life.

In Commercial Law, this is considered the 'ordinary course of business' - It's not on the investor to do the due diligence, so they do have an alibi (plausible deniability; didn't know, didn't want to know.)

In the due course of things, it would appear someone is going to end up being the fall guy, because this thing was launched/issued and sold as a product/stock/security and people got rich, definitely for profit.

The cookie is going to crumble eventually. The investor companies won't be the liable party, the creator/issuer will be.
92  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Foundation - A Swiss Corporation founded by US citizens for tax evasion on: August 15, 2017, 11:32:49 PM
Ethereum Foundation is a Swiss Corporation known as a 'Stiftung'

From the Swiss Commercial Registrar:


Stiftung Ethereum  (Foundation Ethereum)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiftung
A stiftung foundation exists to give effect to the stated, non-commercial wishes of its founder....Stiftung are purely not for profit enterprises and commercial activities are generally not permitted to be conducted by them.


So is this like a running joke? These people became multimillionaires from the commercial Ethereum Foundation ICO and setup a 'not for profit' corporation to avoid taxes?

How is this legitimate in any way shape or form?
93  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Foundation - A Swiss Corporation founded by US citizens for tax evasion on: August 15, 2017, 11:19:52 PM
Yea but they setup 'Ethereum Foundation' as a NOT FOR PROFIT Swiss Corporation.

These people have clearly made ALOT of PROFIT from Ethereum.
94  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Wallet? on: August 15, 2017, 09:58:59 PM
I'd like to hear this as well.

Is there actually a stable, working, private wallet that the user OWNS that doesn't have to interface with some centralized web database for ethereum?

I remember trying to install the Mist or whatever the hell in March and I couldn't even download the blockchain because it was so buggy/slow, maybe they fixed it since then but I haven't heard anything good.

Please don't start saying to use these close-sourced 'multiwallets' (exodus) because no-one has a clue what is going on behind the scenes with these things. It's like trusting someone you don't know with your money.
95  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: my MyEtherWallet/account was emptied on: August 15, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
Never use on-line wallet that you don't totally control.

People using this 'exodus' or 'jaxx' are also playing with fire.

96  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Wallet? on: August 15, 2017, 05:23:53 PM
You people storing your coins in a centralized on-line wallet (myetherwallet) must like the thought of having your money stolen.

So stupid.
97  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Foundation - A Swiss Corporation founded by US citizens for tax evasion on: August 15, 2017, 05:16:21 PM
https://ch.linkedin.com/in/mingchan88
98  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum: Good alt or stay away? on: August 15, 2017, 04:24:41 PM
Yes, Invest in ETH and get scammed!

Ethereum, a coin that had a 72,000,000 ponzi premine, was founded by US citizens whom formed 'Ethereum Foundation', a swiss corporation, for tax evasion purposes; a platform that launches hundreds of scam ICOs' on its chain (that the SEC has declared illegal), a blockchain that crashes daily on said ICO launches (because it is not a supercomputer), has been hacked 2x (at least), hasn't lauched a single 'dapp' speculated in its whitepaper, has a blockchain larger than bitcoins (which means downloading a wallet or running a node is practically impossible), and after the DAO hack has hardforked into 2 chains against the communities interest?


Buy more!
99  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Ethereum Foundation - A Swiss Corporation founded by US citizens for tax evasion on: August 15, 2017, 04:05:46 PM
Doing research it turns out 'Ethereum Foundation' is a corporation in Switzerland and was in fact founded by over half US citizens. Why would US citizens form a Swiss Corporation unless the point is to evade the US taxes?

https://www.zefix.ch/de/search/entity/list/firm/1188682?name=ethereum

Day Registration no. 9797 of 26.07.2016 / CHE-292.124.800

Legal form: Foundation
UID: CHE 292124800
CHID: CH17070007581
EHRA ID: 1188682
Competent office: Commercial register and bankruptcy office of the Canton of Zug

The real masterminds behind Ethereum are Americans!:

To three; Gerring, Taylor, American citizen,
In Chicago (US), member of the board of trustees
Levitin, Vadim, American citizen,
In Las Vegas (US), member of the Board of Trustees
Chan, Siu-Ming, American citizen,
In Zug, Director, with individual signature.


It also turns out Vitalik is now running the Ethereum business out of Singapore, is he hiding from the Tax man too?

Competent office: Commercial register and bankruptcy office of the Canton of Zug
Peoples registration new or modified: Buterin, Vitali, Canadian national, in Singapore (SG),



With the SEC declaring ICOs' illegal, with Ethereum itself having a major ICO (illegal in US), and with the whole scheme launched by US citizens, will the US authorities be coming for them?

It seems Vitalik is just the front-man for this group of Americans who really formed Ethereum.

100  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitsquare.io - The P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange on: August 12, 2017, 08:30:31 PM
Anything new updates for this?
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